healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Werner will shortly be explaining how there are no secrets, just stupid scientists on the dole.
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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if Werner can't build a flying carpet, he is inferior to scientists
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Crackslayer
Trad climber
Eldo
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I haven't had the chance to dive deep into this thread yet but I am really into this topic. For those of you interested in free will, I highly recommend any book by Sam Harris. His newest book is all about free will. It will blow you away and put you in your place. We are all animals following chemical responses in our brains which are our basic desires. There is no God, there is only Earth and the life on it. Until we find something else, this is our reality. God was made up to control us in organized religion. No one should participate in organized religion otherwise you are just feeding the troll.
I could go on and on but break free from religion and embrace the animal in the human. We owe our existence to chance events that took place over billions of years.
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Crackslayer
Trad climber
Eldo
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I also just wanted to reply to the pic of the plant saying that it has no free will. Any individual plant has just as much free will as you or I. Does it choose where it sprouts? Do we choose where we are born?
Plants have amazing behaviors that would blow you away. They do have the ability to chose for themselves to survive just like we do.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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We are all animals following chemical responses in our brains which are our basic desires. There is no God,
Prove it!
This is dogma. Same as saying the Earth is flat.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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This is dogma. Same as saying the Earth is flat.
Really? One can prove the Earth is round. Whether there is a god or not is not a provable conjecture. If anything - after endless civilizations and gods over the history of man - I should think the idea of 'gods' says way more about us and our needs as individuals and how we organize into societies than speaking to the existence of said gods. Again:
It's a lot of damn gods if you will. Now you might take the tack they're all the same god, but then there would be billions of people past and present who would vehemently dispute that claiming their's is/are the only 'true' god[s].
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Crackslayer
Trad climber
Eldo
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Also, you can't prove anything. Science has never proved anything, just suggested things such as evolution. Can you prove there is a god? How?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Living life in one small place on Earth it is easy to say the world is flat. One has to get out and get up high to observe.
Science generally means something that can be measured and observed.
If you look back at history we didn't know jack-pooh 100 years ago compared to now, and so on and so on before that.
It just follows that with all we know now, we still don't know jack-pooh.
Those who look, and I mean really look, with an open mind, have a slight chance of perceiving something new.
So if you want to sit there in your chair and spout dogma about science or religion, then thank you. If you were actually wise, there would be no fun comments to bat about in this thread.
You, are welcome. Now; Go ahead, kick me, and then spit on me. It's fun.
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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hey that reminds me - you never quite explained rationalizing all that incriminating evidence and allegations of fraud and human rights abuse in scientology. This is as good a place as any. So what gives Spider?
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WBraun
climber
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Leave Spider alone.
Row your own boat and see all shores instead .....
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Bruce, That particular information is a stream of garbage flowing from the central sewer system of the very best sleazy tabloid journalists. Leaches on the sides of real people who do real things to help build a healthier happier world for others. Highly distorted facts, twisted tibits of truth, and outright lies that they think will help them gain quick and easy cash flow. They do it for money and nothing else.
Good. Go ahead and kick again. Don't forget to spit.
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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????????????????????????
leave him alone? Do people come here to be alone?
how about you - should i leave you alone too sweety boo boo?
That particular information is a stream of garbage flowing from the central sewer system of the very best sleazy tabloid journalists.
I see. Well I thought I'd try one more time
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moosedrool
Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
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No animal cruelty, please.
Leave the duck alone!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Those duck calls fooled my dogs. I played them on my computer while the dogs were in another room and they went crazy thinking the neighbors chickens had gotten into our yard again.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Proposition:
Today's "deep physics" is hurting modern secular efforts to move beyond ol' time religions and their archaic, pre-scientific, truth-claim misrepresentations.
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MH2
climber
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strange similarity in tone:
That's because you're terrible scientists.
You waste 9 billion dollars to smash some sh!t in a tube and still don't know sh!t.
In the future we will know more they say.
Give us 9 billion more so we can make more toys that don't do sh!t.
As modern science progresses the world is keeps getting worst and worst to where people are now wondering if we're all going to go extinct.
vs.
GREAT ACHIEVEMENT great work you climbed a hill like a few stupid beatniks, if you idiots would shave and look presentable, but you are 3 big slobs.
So you climbed El Capitan.. what a great thing to do. It has a great future for you, you can now rest on your laurels as the 3 pigs that climbed up a stone steep grade.
Get your heads examined.
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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^^ In both cases, it's the armchair peanut gallery talking out their butts
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