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go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple and His Own Second Coming; Four Parables of Warning
http://parallelgospels.org/Jesus_Predicts_the_Destruction_of_the_Temple_and_His_Own_Second_Coming_Four_Parables_of_Warning.htm

The Temple was destroyed in 70AD
http://www.templemount.org/destruct2.html

It will happen the way Jesus said it would!
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
Klimmer
Very few Christians would agree with your version of Christianity

Every Christian I know have their own personal version of Christianity, where they pick and choose willy nilly what they like, and what they reject; and they all profess that they are the only true Christians.

I say they are all wrong.

There is only one version of atheism, and we all agree on it.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:55pm PT

It will happen the way Jesus said it would!





And, you don't fuk witha the Jesus . . .











go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
There is only one version of atheism, and we all agree on it.

The sh!t end of the stick!
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:48pm PT

What I love about India.


Credit: Jan
MH2

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:53pm PT
There's a lot to love. About India.



for example:

The greatest mathematics before the Golden Age of Greece was in India's early Vedic (Hindu) civilization. The Vedics understood relationships between geometry and arithmetic, developed astronomy, astrology, calendars, and used mathematical forms in some religious rituals.

The earliest mathematician to whom definite teachings can be ascribed was Lagadha, who apparently lived about 1300 BC and used geometry and elementary trigonometry for his astronomy. Baudhayana lived about 800 BC and also wrote on algebra and geometry; Yajnavalkya lived about the same time and is credited with the then-best approximation to π.


http://fabpedigree.com/james/mathmen.htm
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
Geez go-B, i dont think i ever heard U be so Blunt! & Klimmer is working the sharp end! i agree with U both.

i havent heard the atheists agree on anything, EXCEPT being anti-religious.
unless you call "looking to science for a better way of life" a good religion? Anyone can see that the "scientific marvels" of the last few hundred years are whats causing the demise of the planet. MAN with his tool
"Science" has raped, pillaged, and killed Earths resources more in the last few hundred years than all of Mankind did in the prior 10,000 yrs.
And most of it brought about by the Americans and their "Free Thinking"
Seems oblivious though that man's quest for scientific material comforts
and pleasures would lead them astray of their Spirituality.


DRF,
i think klimmer is pretty much spot on 100%!
i just found it interesting that Atheist cant believe the Bible because
of the first book (Genesis). and the Christian finds Proof of the Bible
in the last book (Revelation). Maybe its whats inbetween thats REALLY important?

Jus Gett'in Back At It
BB
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
India? Funny you say..

i just watched a "special" on Rape in India.

They reported "a woman is RAPED every 20 minutes in India".

They showed video (thanks to video phones) of a 16yo girl having her clothes ripped off and raped by atleast 10 men, in a public area with
100's of people around.

They interviewed a few young men. Their reasoning was that with the latest
surgance of abortions happening. People are aborting more females than males for economic reasons.And there isn't enough women to go around.

Jus Blessed To Have A Daughter
BB
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
Klimmer
Very few Christians would agree with your version of Christianity

Every Christian I know have their own personal version of Christianity, where they pick and choose willy nilly what they like, and what they reject; and they all profess that they are the only true Christians.

I say they are all wrong.

There is only one version of atheism, and we all agree on it.



Dr. F (and for others who want to know),


You are correct. There are many Christian denominations and factions. Lucifer, Satan has been busy dividing The Church. But there is something miraculous now happening the world over.

Muslims are having dreams of Yeshua HaMashaich and are coming to Jesus Christ. Google it.

Jews are also awakening and the veal is starting to slowly come off and they are coming to realize that Yeshua HaMashiach is indeed the promised Jewish Messiah. He always was. Christians are waking up to their Jewish Messiah, Yeshua HaMashaich and are seeking out the original roots of their Jewish faith.

The Jews are coming to realize that Jesus Christ is indeed their Jewish Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach, and not a white Gentile of European descent. He is The Rabbi of all Rabbis. It's not a new religion. When a Jew finds Yeshua HaMashiach, they are now a complete Jew > Messianic Judaism > Messianic Jew. It's not a new faith, they have now found the last piece of the puzzle. They have the Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach. They have been looking and waiting for thousands of years. They first rejected him as a people, as a nation, just as prophesied, but the the veal is coming down, just as prophesied.

Christians the world over are coming to realize that Jesus is a Jew. And not a white anglo-saxon of European descent. He is Jewish. He is The Rabbi of all Rabbis. And that the roots of their faith are Judiasm, but with Yeshua HaMashiach, as their Lord and Savior > Messianic Judaism. They are realizing that they can return to the roots of their faith, and that Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentiles can worship side by side as they did in the 1st and 2nd centuries in Messianic Synagogues. This is now happening. It's a very moving and beautiful thing to see and experience.

I've woken up. I'm a Messianic Jew. I have attended non-denominational Christian Churches, Church of God, Baptist, Catholic, and Methodist Churches of worship, among many others. It's all the body of Christ. But I have never learned so much as I have now attending a Messianic Synagogue and returning to the roots of my faith. I've come to learn of my Jewish ancestry also. I've done the DNA tests. My mothers mother looked Jewish but we never knew. She never talked about it (for good reason -- persecution). But it's for all believers, not just Jews, just like the first Messianic Synagogues of Jerusalem. Jew and Gentile side by side. The Torah, The Tenach, (The Old Covenant -- Old Testament), and B'rit Hadasha (The New Covenant -- New Testament), fit hand in glove. You cannot understand the OT without the NT. And you cannot understand the NT without the OT. They are complementary.


Resources:

Messianic Judaism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

The Complete Jewish Bible:
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Jewish-Bible-OE-David-Stern/dp/1880226480/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356757698&sr=8-1&keywords=the+complete+jewish+bible

The Real Kosher Jesus: Revealing the mysteries of the hidden Messiah [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Real-Kosher-Jesus-Revealing-mysteries/dp/1621360075/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356757783&sr=1-1&keywords=the+real+kosher+jesus

The Messianic Seal of the Jerusalem Church [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Messianic-Seal-Jerusalem-Church/dp/9652229628/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356757886&sr=1-1&keywords=the+messianic+seal+of+the+jerusalem+church

The Ways Of The Way: Restoring the Jewish Roots of the Modern Church [Hardcover]
http://www.amazon.com/The-Ways-Of-Way-Restoring/dp/1599797631/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y



This is The Messianic Judaic symbol found in Jerusalem near the upper room and King David's tomb. Found in a large underground grotto used by the first Messianic Synagogue for Jewish Baptism. This is the Synagogue that "James the Just," the brother of Yeshua overseen. This symbol was found carved into a wall and on ceremonial clay vases and other ornaments. This symbol was also found elsewhere in the region of Israel and other nearby nations. Read the book mentioned above. The Museum of Antiquities in Jerusalem refuses to place these discoveries on display. They remain hidden and stored away in their archives and collection. Sound familiar?

What does it mean? The Menorah indicates the Torah and the Old Covenant. The Greek ICTHUS indicates The Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach, the New Testament and the New Covenant. Fishers of Men. There really are just 2 symbols. The Menorah and the fish. But brought together they form a 3rd symbol, The Star of David: The symbol of the Nation of Israel, and for all Jews worldwide. With the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, the Jew is complete. Pretty powerful symbology. Amen.

http://www.threemacs.org/themes/jewish/answers.htm






healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 28, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
So, the eternal life thing. And the point would be what? Frankly, any form of eternal life sounds like the very definition of hell to me.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 29, 2012 - 05:35am PT
Sorry for the stick reference, I don't want to give poop a bad name, it's good for fertilizer!

An atheist to me is being satisfied with the gift wrapping and not getting the present!

Settling for the mundane, instead of the Divine!

God wants us to enjoy what He has given us and to take pleasure in the works of our hands, but that's not the all in all...

Ecclesiastes 1:2 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher;
“Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.”

3:9 What profit has the worker from that in which he labors? 10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.
12 I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, 13 and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God.

11:14 I know that whatever God does,
It shall be forever.
Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should fear before Him.
15 That which is has already been,
And what is to be has already been;
And God requires an account of what is past.

12:1 Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth,
Before the difficult days come,
And the years draw near when you say,
“I have no pleasure in them”

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

MH2

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:31am PT
Settling for the mundane, instead of the Divine!


I see no sign that you can tell the difference, go-B. And remember that your comments about atheism come from a source with little in the way of personal experience in the school.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 29, 2012 - 09:59am PT
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Everything done as an act of worship can be sacred!

But WE can loose sight of what is important...

Luke 10:38 Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house. 39 And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus’ feet and heard His word. 40 But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me.”
41 And Jesus answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. 42 But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her.”
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:47am PT
All of the Abrahamic religions have a lot of prophets (esp the Book of Mormon). One question:

"How in hell can I possibly know how to pick a true prophet from a false one"

The Book of Mormon warns of false prophets right off the bat. Islam believes that Jesus was a prophet, and an important one. The Jews are still waiting on the sideline.

Then you have the eastern religions, which have numerous gods.

How is a person supposed to make any sense of this.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:13am PT
A New Prophet Like Moses (JESUS)
Deuteronomy 18:15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’

17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Jeremiah 28:7 Nevertheless hear now this word that I speak in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people: 8 The prophets who have been before me and before you of old prophesied against many countries and great kingdoms—of war and disaster and pestilence. 9 As for the prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, the prophet will be known as one whom the Lord has truly sent.”

Psilocyborg

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
How is a person supposed to make any sense of this.

The answers are within you.

The question isn't what god to worship or what religion to follow.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
How is a person supposed to make any sense of this?


Verily I say unto thee: Thou hast opened the floodgates.





;>)
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
Awwwww. Come on. None of you answered my question.

So how many of you non-Mormon Christians think that Mormon's are wrong?

The deeper I got into the Book of Mormon, the weirder I found it.

So to me, Joseph Smith was likely a false prophet hands down.

Gill is pretty smart. Don't get on me with him backing me up!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
...and the future that is plunging on to the last syllable of recorded time. We can’t possibly live in either of those eternities – no, not even for a split second. But, by trying to do so, we can wreck both our bodies and our minds.

Doesn't it strike you even the least bit bizarre you are quoting Carnegie on not wasting your time worrying about the infinite future when in the same breath you've built your entire life of now around how to attain eternal life? And why?
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