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Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:03am PT
As I said, I don't like jackaknapes, bigots , and nasty little pricks . Guess which one you are?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:08am PT
I thought you couldn't help by like me?
I'm confused now
Is it a trick question?
Ok Dunghole ......I guess all of them?

Give your sister a kiss on the mouth for me...


Goodnight....


Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:13am PT
I didn't say I liked you , I said I can't hate you. That's called a distinction with a difference.

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:23am PT
That's true...
Well...purgatory is better than damnation anyday..

It's been a slice....


And Jennie is as worthy a propagandist as any I have tangled with...
I actually adore her..


Cheers
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:27am PT
. But…somehow I don’t think that will impress hard core demonizers e

Mormon woman loooove me...for some reason....
I mean I am literally considered close family in three different Mormon families..
So I know you loooove me...I know you love me....
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:28am PT
No bad feelings, Blue. I suppose some wards do things according to their own schedule. A little different from what I've seen but I'm not doubting you...


Just convince the Mormon Church to vote Democrat and these jackaknapes will stop the slanderous invective.


Curiously, Al Gore has met with LDS leaders about taking a position on global warming. The church has asked members to cut back their use of resources markedly and LDS buildings are being overhauled to use less energy.

But…somehow I don’t think that will impress hard core demonizers, Donald.


Your prophet was just a sick pedophile


I have little love for polygamy… but most of those marriages were dynastical and never consummated. Anti-Mormon Fawn Brodie accused Joseph Smith of having over fifty children…some critics accuse many more. DNA testing has been done on all but three of these lineages and NONE show markers of Joseph Smith being in their ancestry.

If the remaining lines show no DNA markers…it strongly suggests his only offspring were the eleven children he fathered with first wife Emma Smith.

But keep playing the pedophile card...it's a real discussion rocker.



BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:32am PT
GUD DAM Riley U R A Prickass! What R U A Catholic?
LOL
How about that same lust for children Spirit jumped into the Catholic
church less then 100 yrs. later. i think we can see it all the way back
to the Egyptian days.around the same time the Masons got there start.
They are the ones REALLY running this country.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:39am PT
. But keep playing the pedophile card...it's a real discussion rocker.

Not a card Jennie.....it is the truth.....


Jennie is that you on the snow board and you bouldering?
Funny you have a cat named Riley
And I have a daughter named Jenny....


Blue - I did go to catholic school......lol
My kids are baptized catholic....something I always forget....I even held them...

But I am a demon spawn....Beelzebub is my name....
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:49am PT
I'm not bouldering on any photos, here, just cycling and boarding
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Wow....you are gorgous


My insticts were right....
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:28am PT
Where did you do your mission?
You are in your mission in the bike pic?
You look young there..

You are much older in snowboard pic..

I would probably be married to a Mormon but we only went out for a few weeks and then she had to go on mission..
When she left she built this huge thing on my wall - it had a door I opened for every month she was gone....24 I think......as you can imagine I didn't last long...
My wife now - who I met a few months after she left for the mission - tore it down after we were.going out a few months..she was sort of possessive......LOL

Lei went on to have 7 kids....she just had her seventh actually - I talked to her for the first time since she left just last week after I guess 16 years.- I am very close with her mom - that is how we met....I have sort of a mythical reputation in her family....she tells me, she tells her kids the story of when we first met...how she wrestled me and dislocated my shoulder....LOL....it used to dislocated easily...the brat...then we jumped in a pool that was just above freezing...and swam.......I'm probably some kind is mythical demon she bested to move on greater spiritual life...as far as her kids are concerned....LOL.....she couldn't have sex obviously...because of the mission and marrage thing of course...but one night she said.....I cant help it......it would ruin everything I have with my god....but if you want to ...you can take me......I thought for a second......and then said....hell ya.....let's get the clothes off! .....but she still had plenty of control.....and stopped me.....LOL
A wonderful person....
Hopefullly see them all this winter.....
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:10am PT
Thank you, I didn’t go on a mission. My brother did but was sent back early. My other two siblings didn’t go on missions, either.

Riley (the cat) was euthanized on Nov 12., sadly. He got cancer in lypth nodes under his jaw . I was able to keep him alive on liquids for a few weeks but the morning of the 12th I discovered he couldn’t swallow and couldn’t bear to see him die of dehydration so I drove him to the vet in Rexburg. Seemed like a betrayal on my part… but vet didn’t offer any better options. (Still have Octavia the longhair…she’s adjusting)

Interesting story about your wife and your ex- girlfriend. Like my mother says…there are twenty million stories in mormondom’s beating heart…some happy…some not…
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:12am PT
Heh I friended ya on Facebook just now.......noticed your name on the JL thread
Guess u r real after all....LOL
I never really doubted it.....not sure why some folks thought ya were...

Sorry about your kitty with the awesome name.....that is hard....
I lost a pup last spring and then just had a dream that our new pup got run over in the same way....a nightmare really
Super tuff.....
Very fun debating with you..
You are super smart and and tough....LOL

Ya..I have a lot of mormon stories....
The whole family and freindly community nature of mormons is how I am in real life....I actually don't like debating or arguing at all in real life..hate it in fact....so I get along with the philosphy of family and the energy very well...

I need to take a trip to Utah as soon as I can and see my freinds...the mom is sick...
My kids would have a blast hanging around with seven kids plus a few others of her sisters....LOL
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:24am PT
Amazing how this thread has disintegrated into insults and stereotypes.

blueblocr is at it again. I predicted a few pages back that Mormons were next on his list to attack after Catholics, Jews, Quakers and Anabaptist peace churches -and sure enough. However, before condemning Mormons for their beliefs about Blacks how about you study what went on in the American South for the past 400 years? How about you call the Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians out for slavery, lynchings, segregation and the like? Or was that ok because they were Bible literalists who agree with you?

But that's all rather mild compared to Riley's assumptions that just because someone belonging to a group had less than pure motives, everyone else in the group is damned by association. So does this mean Riley is taking on responsibility for Abu Graib, Mai Lai, Wounded Knee, and American slavery, since all Americans must be guilty if even one is?

And if either one of you can name a single religious or secular institution or person with no flaws, I'd sure like to hear who they are.

As for polygyny, it is still the most popular form of marriage in the world because most societies are still agricultural and still male dominated. Marriage is also not a religious institution outside of Christianity. Do you guys get equally worked up about polygynists in other parts of the world who practice it for demographic or economic reasons rather than religious ones? Did it ever occur to you that there were a surplus of Mormon converts who were single women and that polygyny was a better solution for them on the sparsely populated Utah frontier than remaining single, celibate and childless their whole lives?

And finally, do you guys get worked up about every belief that is not your own? Or do you just reserve your ire for American religions that you don't agree with? If so, why? Americans are only 3% of the world's people.





MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:53am PT
. . . . . (crickets).
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:11am PT



What a strange looking word this is - for such a cool thing (idea, habit, norm, practice).

A life invested in science, at least for some I think, trains in this.

.....

re: material basis

It's hard accepting the material basis for memory, sexual orientation, hunger and thirst, isn't it? Puberty. Orgasm. Feelings. Cognition. Life at large.

Each of these, upon study, point to a material basis. Taken together very compelling (circumstantial if not direct) evidence for the case that life is material and mechanistic.

Now what we need: emerging norms to be arrayed, organized (perhaps to some extent self-organizing over the next several generations) into a modern belief discipline model (apart from any religion and theology that relies on supernaturalist belief) to reflect, respect, support and draw strength from, this modern science-based claim.

Aside: One would think climbers - more used to managing fear, risk, the unfamiliar, thoughts of mortality, nature and matters of naturalism - might be more receptive to this revelation from the sciences... and inclined to incorporate it into their life beliefs and practices.

But nonetheless it's on the way: Just a few years ago, after all, majority populations of many Western publics believed sexual orientation was "just" a choice. And now, today, hardly a whisper heard of this falsehood anywhere in educated society.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:16am PT
And finally, do you guys get worked up about every belief that is not your own? Or do you just reserve your ire for American religions that you don't agree with? If so, why? Americans are only 3% of the world's people.


No... and yes. The only religions I have any amount of experience with and which most certainly impact our suposedly secular political world are the ones right here (Canuckistan too).

And if they were inclined to follow the dictate of seperation of church and state I wouldn't have much of I problem I suspect. Besides that, I don't have a problem so much as an academic interest or fascination in the psychological processes that propel people into and through religion, faith and pretty much everything else for that matter. It sure has a direct impact on behavior so quite frankly it really should interest everyone that cares about more than just bolt placements!

Jan - I think you're comentary on eastern cultures (not just religion) is super important and relates directly to our imperialistic attempts to impose our values on other cultures - cultures we hardly even have a vague understanding of. I think we need to walk our talk ... but of course " values" and "morals" is actually just a smoke screen for our foreign relations isn't it? Which gets back to my oroiginal criticism of religion in general. It has more to do with political power structure than spirituality.

Too bad our time zones are out of sync, but then maybe your glad not to get dragged into the abyss.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:38am PT
It sure has a direct impact on behavior...

Just point to (a) the social values base of the Republican Party today; (b) the Arab world today that is defined more by Islam, Sharia and "God is Great" idioms than any other item or fixture of its culture ( yeah, maybe oil: a distant second). Who can imagine the Arab world without Islam? Not me. Everything in terms of God and Satan, sin and Judgment Day, heaven and hell. Deplorable...

... so quite frankly it really should interest everyone

Certainly one of my lifelong interests... not only (1) as a determinant of behavior but also (2) as a meaning maker and (3) as a (false) instructor at a personal / familial /cultural / institutional level for how the cosmos works.

It has more to do with political power structure than spirituality.

Can't agree with that though.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:46am PT
. But that's all rather mild compared to Riley's assumptions that just because someone belonging to a group had less than pure motives, everyone else in the group is damned by association. So does this mean Riley is taking on responsibility for Abu Graib, Mai Lai, Wounded Knee, and American slavery, since all Americans must be guilty if even one is?

I never damned anyone, there is no such thing as being damned, and I never made any such assumption- I attack the authoritarian power structure and I don't even damn them - there are however frank realities for anyone following or believing anything and any members of any cult.

America is not a religion it is a nation - I don't belong to or support the power structure that did the above things in fact I spit on it and despise it - it you are looking for someone who supports these things then that would be fundamentalist Christians and in more modern times god and gun Evangelicals.

I support nothing that infringes on the nature and gift of the free mind and body.

I have no problem tearing apart any and all authoritarian power structures anywhere in the world - set my peoples minds free.

But if you read and understood my Dostoevsky post above - there are issues inside humans as they relate to giving away their free mind and body that precludes most humans from ever being free for long.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:53am PT
. It has more to do with political power structure than spirituality.

I change a few words

It has everything to do with political power structure and nothing to do with spirituality.
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