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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 8, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
It seems to me that HFCS sees God as mythology and Dr F is right to question how he could hate something he doesn't believe is real.

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This whole thread could be viewed in terms of left and right brain content. For those identified with the linear left brain, "real" means something they can quantify. The right brain operates on a different wavelength and from the left brain perspective, right brain content is mostly imagined or wonky, brain produced blow-back from the brain stem (instinctive) and limbic (feeling) centers. The problem is that looking at the right brain from the left brain is a little like looking at Paris from Rome. There will be quite a bit of distortion involved to say nothing of the biasis and beliefs the Italian brings to the viewing. And if things don't square with what he considers "real," then it must be wu wu and superstition and Abrahamic jive that science is so up against.

Of course this interpretation is totally wrong, but don't try and tell that to the left brain.

JL
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Feb 8, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
So who is Allah then, Klimmer, a fictitious god?

Who is Allah? Make-believe?



So as not to start the next Jihad, I defer to Dr. Michael Heiser, a Hebrew scholar ...

Read about "The Divine Council." Suffice to say, there is only one BIG G-D, Yod-Hey-Vod-Hey, and then there are many little g, g-ds.

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

These little gods are sons of G-d (1/3) who went their own way. Fallen Angels. They want to be worshiped. They do work to fool mankind and they have throughout history. Now you know where we get our pantheon of gods.

jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
Well, free will lasted a while. Now back to this crap.

;>(
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
jogill says; -- "Now back to this crap."

Ho mannnn .... Now what would the Duck say about this?

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Free will is already worked out. At least for those who have studied it with the barest due diligence. Inasmuch as it's not a science education problem, it's a language problem.

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What more is there to discuss?

As far as matters of blame, responsibility and law go vis a vis intention or will, these won't ever be worked out to everyone's satisfaction as long as we humans are all over the map, seeing things differently regarding not only facts but values.

Take this rogue cop, for instance, in today's news. Assume for sake of discussion his behavior was fully caused - yes, as modern science indicates. Is society not to hold him responsible? because at base his chemistry and cellular metabolism and neurology made him do it.

Funny thing is though, it sorts out in the end, one way or another, doesn't it? despite the fact there's no consensus among the people.
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
You keep making all these so called serious posts here with no integrity HFCS.

They are all null and void.

Useless.

You don't stand behind them.

You hide like a coward .......
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
I am here.
I stand behind them.
What more do you want?


Are you suggesting I need a degree on paper. In free will, lol!
Do you have a degree or license in climbing? on Astroman?

"Null" "Void" "Coward"

Do we need to have this conversation?

Go back to your hydraulics thread. And be nice. ;)

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EDIT

Yep, coward... That's so pussy ......
Yeah, talk about steering the conversation.... It's a shame. :(
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Yep ^^^^ coward.

Steers the conversation.

So scared to reveal himself.

That's so pussy ......
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 8, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
As said below "I suppose the logical left-brain, creative right-brain myth has a seductive simplicity about it", but what about shmoes like me with both halves? You mean I'm too limp wristed a right winger to be a Werner and not commie enough to be a Syrup? Bloody fence sitters - forever in Bluey's dog house.



Why the Left-Brain Right-Brain Myth Will Probably Never Die



Published on June 27, 2012 by Christian Jarrett, Ph.D in Brain Myths

The left-brain right-brain myth will probably never die because it has become a powerful metaphor for different ways of thinking – logical, focused and analytic versus broad-minded and creative. Take the example of Britain’s Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks talking on BBC Radio 4 earlier this year. “What made Europe happen and made it so creative,” he explained, “is that Christianity was a right-brain religion … translated into a left-brain language [Greek]. So for many centuries you had this view that science and religion are essentially part of the same thing.”

As well as having metaphorical appeal, the seductive idea of the right brain and its untapped creative potential also has a long history of being targeted by self-help gurus peddling pseudo-psychology. Today the same idea is also picked up by the makers of self-improvement video games and apps. The latest version of the The Faces iMake-Right Brain Creativity app for the Ipad, for example, boasts that it is “an extraordinary tool for developing right brain creative capabilities”.

There is more than a grain of truth to the left-brain right-brain myth. While they look alike, the two hemispheres of the brain do function differently. For example, it’s become almost common knowledge that in most people the left brain is dominant for language. The right hemisphere, on the other hand, is implicated more strongly in emotional processing and representing the mental states of others. However, the distinctions aren't as clear cut as the myth makes out - for instance, the right hemisphere is involved in processing some aspects of language, such as intonation and emphasis.

Much of what we know about the functional differences between the hemispheres comes from the remarkable split-brain studies that began in the sixties. These investigations were conducted on patients who’d had the thick bundle of fibres connecting their hemispheres cut as a last-resort treatment for epilepsy. Researchers, including the psychologists Roger Sperry and Michael Gazzaniga, could present stimuli to just one hemisphere or the other at a time, and they discovered that the two halves of the brain acted like independent entities with contrasting processing styles.

But it’s important to remember that in healthy people the two brain hemispheres are well-connected. The fictional doctor Gregory House called the corpus callosum that joins the hemispheres the “George Washington Bridge” of the brain, and in most of what we do, the hemispheres have evolved to operate together, sharing information across this bridge. Neuroscientists working in this field today are interested in how this coordination occurs.

It’s also important to note that the kind of tasks that engage one hemisphere more than the other don’t always map neatly onto the kind of categories that we find useful to talk about in our everyday lives. Let’s take the example of creativity. We may find it a useful shorthand to divide tasks up into those that are creative and those that are repetitive. But the reality of course is more complex. There are many ways to be creative.

Some studies have indeed shown that the right hemisphere seems to be involved more when we have an Aha! flash of insight. For instance, one study found that activity was greater in the right hemisphere when participants solved a task via insight, rather than piecemeal. Another showed that brief exposure to a puzzle clue was more useful to the right hemisphere, than the left, as if the right hemisphere were nearer the answer.

But insight is just one type of creativity. Telling stories is another. One of the most fascinating insights from the split-brain studies was the way the left hemisphere made up stories to explain what the right hemisphere was up to – what Gazzaniga dubbed the “interpreter phenomenon”. For example, in one study, a patient completing a picture-matching task used their left hand (controlled by the right hemisphere) to match up a shovel with an image of a snow storm (shown only to the right hemisphere). The patient was then asked why he’d done this. But his left hemisphere (the source of speech) didn’t admit to not knowing. Instead, it confabulated, saying that he’d reached for the shovel to clear out the chicken coop (the picture shown to the left hemisphere was of a bird’s foot).

Writing an overview of the split-brain research in a 2002 article for Scientific American (pdf), Gazzaniga concluded, based on the interpreter phenomenon and other findings, that the left hemisphere is “inventive and interpreting”, whilst the right brain is “truthful and literal.” This seems at odds with the myth invoked by Rabbi Sacks and many others.

I suppose the logical left-brain, creative right-brain myth has a seductive simplicity about it. People can ask – which kind of brain have I got? They can buy an app to target their weaker half. They can categorise languages and people as right-brained or left. It’s tricky to combat that belief system by saying the truth is really more complicated. But it’s worth trying, because it would be a shame if the simplistic myth drowned out the more fascinating story of how our brains really work.
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
HFCS has ...

Scurried away like as a scared coward and can't face the truth .......
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
That's so pussy

You keep insulting the guy as if you are a ten year old. Short insulting posts don't give you any more credibility than his long suggestive posts. At least he doesn't use the word "pussy" and "coward" so often that he looks like a pussy and a coward.

Next time, try to actually say what it is about his post that you don't like. All I can tell is that he posts something and you get worked up about it and say "I'm worked up about it." and nothing else.

Dave
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
I would say many of us hate some Religions,
but we have no hate for god
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Still no HFCS

Instead .... Dave got all worked up ......
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
My feelings for god are the same as for a rock. None.

If god exists he is not communicating with us. Why would I bother?
MH2

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
Yes, Bruce, it is hilarious that a reference to mythology triggered a reference to right brain versus left brain. We do learn stuff on this thread about each other.
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
God communicates every instant eternally.

There are no gaps at all ever.

Constant stream of pure consciousness.

The materially conditioned souls here are not tuned to him nor recognize his energies nor his consciousness.

The materially conditioned souls are only tuned to his inferior material energy of duality due to their contamination of "thinking" we are the material body .......




moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
The materially conditioned souls are only tuned to his inferior material energy of duality due to their contamination of "thinking" we are the material body .......

We leave in a Matrix. I new it!
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
The materially conditioned souls are only tuned to his inferior material energy of duality due to their contamination of "thinking" we are the material body .......
Batshit Crazy
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
I don't mind the insults... "Pussy" "Syrup" "Commie"... I'm used to them, but it does keep the really meaningful conversations regarding these incredibly interesting topics from taking place - at least in THIS public arena.

In the meantime, Lawrence Krauss is on Real Time with Maher tonight.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU&hd=1
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