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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 07:19am PT
Glory to Jesus for all that I am not, a condemned sinner.

Jus Praise'in
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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 19, 2012 - 09:47am PT
They can never see the bigger picture, that includes everyone, every living thing, the universe, and outside the universe
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Jeeez, Craig. What lies "outside the universe?" I thought you were a physicalist. The sum is no more than the parts.

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
JL. Said;
"They can never see the bigger picture, that includes everyone, every living thing, the universe, and outside the universe"

Jesus spoke saying; "Father glorify your son, so that I may also glorify You. You have given Me authority over all flesh, that I should give eternal life to as many as You have given me.
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. "

What we see you can't see in a picture. And we definitely see what's outside of this universe.

Jus Quote'in
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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
JC answered,

"My kingdom is not of this WORLD. If My kingdom were of this world,My servants would fight.
You say rightly that I am a king. For this "cause"I was born, and for this "cause" I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice."

Def; World, Greek for "kos-moss". Originally kosmos was orderly arrangement ,symmetry, beauty,adoring,decor, and the regularity of the world order. Kosmos later focused on "the Earth" and the secular world. (contrasted with heaven). Often in the NT the word describes a world system alienated from and opposed to God, lying in the power of the Evil One.

Jus Word'in
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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 19, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
You christians really need to get a grip. There is no quote from the bible I'm ever going to read in this thread. When one of you personally have something to say on a topic, I read it. But the bible quotes? Utterly and hopelessly irrelevant.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
Klimmer
I believe all that you said to be true.
And I want it fully! Only, I call him by the name Jesus.

Jus Call'in
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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 19, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
Pimping bible quotes in the hopes of being "right" is as vain and silly, in my opinion, as Fruity insisting that the world's woes are entirely due to theists and Abrahamic doctrines. These are simply the earmarks of the fanatic, who won't change subjects and cannot change his mind. It burns me out on an otherwise lively thred.

JL
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
I see the numbers, and then don't read another word

I try to read them sometimes, but they are unreadable, and just wu wu fantasy land gibberish

To use a bible verse to answer a question for anyone that is not a Christian, is not answering the question, but rather deferring to the default.

You have any thoughts that you can tell us that would sway us?
Bring them on, because our side have alot of thoughts that we would like to debate.
We will never debate a bible verse. They are rejected out of hand.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
Largo
You're right, I cannot say anything about "outside the Universe"
so I fixed my post, to exclude that realm

The big picture only includes this Universe
WBraun

climber
Oct 19, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
Bible verse number 1

"When in doubt run it out"
MH2

climber
Oct 19, 2012 - 06:28pm PT
Amen
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 08:18pm PT
U saying, I have a closed mind because I believe a spiritual, loving, Creator is in control of all the matter in the universe with spiritual laws. And an instilled plan. With a path for a eternal life span.
Compared to; your reasoning that the universe (matter) created itself with a byproduct being the laws of physics. For no other reason than to procreate. Seems to me this being a narrower point of view.

Being" right" about "something" that's unmeasurable, requires theories and paperwork. If I ask you about gravity and energy, you give me Einstein's and newtons,and their paperwork.
You ask me about the Creator and I give you the Bible and Jesus. Yours has been proven to be not wrong. And mine has been proven to be right every day, since man could write.

Jus Respond'in
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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 08:21pm PT
" deferring to the default."

Thinking matter created conscience is deferring to the default!
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
The default is having faith in something that you can't define or prove exists

It takes years of education and THINKING outside the box to get to the point that it all makes sense, all the puzzle pieces are in place
anything can be explained to a level that makes the other pieces fit together using what science has told us.

God loves you? prove it
The universe is Love? There is no love on Mars, or anywhere except in your cozy little home that You made for yourself.

The only thing you can say about God that is true, is that god gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.

That is all God ever provided to anyone, a warm fuzzy feeling, and it wasn't God that gave them that, it was your own mind thinking it found God.

I can get the same feeling without God.
Nothing changes when you become an atheist, except the delusion of where the warm fuzzy feeling comes from.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 19, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
Does Warner have gospels? The Valley Testament of Brother Braun.

Look, I think we're onto something here. Warner will preach, and preach big.

Fruity will break it down according to the 1,000s of engineering courses he's taken.

MH2 can can prescribe sundry Balogna Uptake Inhibitors to Fruity, who can show Ed that an AI machine - soon forthcoming - is more than a sum of it's parts, it can also tell jokes so damn funny that even Malamute will laugh, even thought his mitt is still clamped in that bear trap.

Marlow will be Warner's crier, and Craig will show the congregation that this time, God really is a thing, a something, errrrr, a person: Our own Warner Solomon Braun.

John S. will make sure the presentation is perfectly rational and afterwards he can perform some real analysis on the text. None of that "complex analysis" fluff. That's too easy if I still remember my "maths."

Anyhow, while all this is going on, I'll collect the money.

Off to Josh and Climb Smart!

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
Drf
You're song is a broken record stuck on a scratch in the middle of a beautiful melody....

Jus Singing
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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 19, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
I miss MikeL
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Oct 20, 2012 - 02:19am PT
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2012 - 08:30am PT
BB
can people talk to God or Jesus?
Apparently many people believe they do
I have a friend who says she talks to Jesus all the time, he tells her everything, he is her best friend.

Do You believe they can?, or are they wrong?
WBraun

climber
Oct 20, 2012 - 09:26am PT
can people talk to God or Jesus?

Oh yes all the time.

The atheist doesn't know how.

The atheist thinks he knows everything even though he admits he knows nothing.
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