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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
Funny. My son goes to the University of Denver and texted about the place crawling with secret service for the last few weeks. He volunteered to help with the debates, although almost no students got to actually attend. They have a very small live audience in those things.

DU is a small private college. Lots of rich kids.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
The reason Theist control the conversation is because we have something to say.

OK. Are you a literalist? If so, which version of the Bible do you believe in?

The first line in the Koran says:

"This book is not to be doubted."
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 4, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
Base
KJV referenced to Hebrew and Greek he is my preferenced

I've read the Koran. I don't doubt that it was written by Mohammed's friends.( Since he couldn't read or write) after they consoled the Bible. Just more rhetoric from people being anti-something. I'll say anti-Christ. The Bible is the only book that offers the true meaning of man. From the beginning to the end. It has never been wronged. A message of ever lasting life from the God of love.
The question is; does it inspire you, if so, you only need give Him thanks for goodness in your life.
Thanks for your above post. It was very heartfelt. It wonderful being brought up in a Christian household but having the knowledge of the Bible doesn't make you a Christian. You have to meet God in your heart.

Jus Convey'in
BB
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
We've all read the "God Delusion"!
and agree with almost every word

Check out Victor Stenger, "God, a Failed Hypothesis"
and "God, and the Folly of Faith"
He takes a scientific viewpoint

All Michael Shermer stuff is worth checking out
"Why Darwin Matters" and "The Believing Brain" are recommended

There are also some great books written by former Christian Pastors coming to the truth

If you need links Werner, let me know

all Christians need Cultism deprogramming
and to pull the stick out
WBraun

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Richard Dawkins -- "I can’t be sure God does not exist"

Thus proves beyond any doubt he's a bonafide mental speculator .......
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
So Werner
Have you ever done any Mental Speculating??
Or, No: you never speculate, You know it all already
That's what those STUPID Scientists do, those mental thinkers are always thinking about things That Don't need thinking about!!

Do you have a more advanced method of using your mind that does not use Thinking?
We would love to hear more about it..
since we are so de-evolved compared to the heroic Spiritual Speculators
jstan

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
√Richard Dawkins -- "I can’t be sure God does not exist"

Thus proves beyond any doubt he's a bonafide mental speculator .......

No Werner.

That shows his honesty. And honesty is the only road to eventual knowledge.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:26pm PT

“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends,” Einstein wrote in German in a 1954 letter that will be auctioned on eBay later this month. "No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”


Dubbed Einstein’s “God Letter” by the Los Angeles-based auction agency that's posting it online, the original document will be up for grabs starting Monday. The opening bid: $3 million.

The letter provides a window into the famed genius's religious beliefs. Einstein wrote it to Jewish philosopher Eric Gutkind, one year before Einstein died, in reaction to Gutkind’s book, “Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt.”
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:27pm PT
What is a spiritual speculator? What do they speculate on? In your experience are your deepest insifts the result of thinking?

Curious...

JL
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
Largo, you and Werner are spiritual speculators.
That "IS" the definition.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 06:34pm PT
I hope you're getting as good a laugh as me!!

But it's never been expressed in a better Term
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:41pm PT
in regards to "Hitchens, Shermer & Singer" check these out...


Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
There are also some great books written by former Christian Pastors coming to the truth

And there are lots more books written by non believers coming to the truth of Christianity and other religions.

THE TRUTH. Those words make my blood curdle and right away tell me that the person using them has a personal and often cultish agenda whether it is atheism or fundamentalism.

We live in a universe with hundreds of millions of galaxies and on an earth with seven billion different people and thousands of successful cultures, all evolved to help people survive in a particular environment. So how does anyone get off saying they know "The Truth".

Please, humility is in order.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
Ever seen a really great conman?

Yep

Romney

Lying with panache and style is not winning
WBraun

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
So how does anyone get off saying they know "The Truth".

I went to the cafe this morning and drank some coffee.

It's the truth ....... :-)

Largo, you and Werner are spiritual speculators.

LOL

You're making up sh!t again to fit your guessing ......
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
That's what speculating is
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 4, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
Dr.F - There are also some great books written by former Christian Pastors...!

here is one of those former "Christian Pastors" that has written some "great books",
Bart Ehrman debating Dinesh D' Souza (interesting)...


Daniel Dennett vs Dinesh D'Souza, another interesting debate...
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 4, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
So Craig, what speculations have you seen me make? Thtat the brain creates mind? That DNA invented itself, but slowly? That consciousness is mechanical output? Are such ideas proven facts or speculations?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 5, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
It's so far-fetched to think that DNA invented itself

When a cell splits. It uses old dead DNA to replicate itself. It needs this topo map to know what it's going to be. Kind of like a fossil. So live DNA can't even create itself it's just replicating its own prescription.
DNA inventing itself. Even our supercomputers give the odds at 10,000 trillion to one.
So I guess there is a chance?

Jus Say'in
BB
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Oct 5, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
I am quite sure this has already been posted, but it's worth a repetition. Einstein on science and religion. Certainly not in accordance with the Einstein-speculations of some on the zen and religious speculators earlier in the Mind thread.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/science/17einsteinw.html?_r=2&

“If something is in me that can be called religious,” Einsten wrote in 1954, “then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as science can reveal it.”
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