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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 18, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
an infant is an inherent sinner

Norton said:
"what an incredibly outright ignorant thing to say of an infant"

Norton have you ever spent any time with children ages 3 to 8?
Even at these ages children show malicious rebellion towards their parents.

What world do you live in?

Jus Parent'in
BB
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
ahh truthdweller
your sword is sharp!

you brought me
to my surrendering knees;

how vailiant of yee,
throwing at me,
a post riddled with:

my name.
buncha space.
three letter word.

wow.
that was brilliant, officer.
where did you learn that tactic?
such depth!
such, creativity!
such, ingenuity!
brilliance, and nothing less.

im gonna try that,
next time im
arguing with my wife:

name.
buncha silence.
three letter word.

thanks for the salvation.
i give you my regard,
in utter and complete sarcasm.

you are a fool,
not welcome in my intelligent thought pool.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 18, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
an infant is an inherent sinner

Rebellious sons must be stoned to death.

Natural enough ideas, I suppose, to a traditional theist operating off of traditional theism.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 18, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
Homosexuals must be stoned to death.


ok, yes then we must stone them to death

in fact, I should stone my two male neighbors to DEATH

because if says so in THE BIBLE

any one besides me have a problem with MURDERING your neighbors?

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 18, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
any one besides me have a problem with MURDERING your neighbors?

"Not me, if these neighbors mock God or His Law." Says your average, medrassah-schooled traditional theist.

A bullet to the head of anyone - man or woman - boy or girl - who won't submit before Sharia (God's Law).

A natural enough idea, I suppose, to a traditional theist operating off of traditional theism.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
we should all just stand back
and give these, theirs.

because in the dark,
your hand looks like
a beautiful and willing maiden.
WBraun

climber
Oct 18, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
Norwegian -- "the rest of us are devouring unknowns by creating new ones."

That's called "Making up sh!t ......
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
You guys don't get it
Truth Dweller and BB are the good Christians, not the bad ones, like those false Christians, that follow the wrong bible version

They are not real Christians,
only these guys, and their friends are the good ones,

It's always the same story, tribalism

We are good, they are bad.
They can never see the bigger picture, that includes everyone, every living thing, and the universe.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
werner may i respectfully
ask if you know tomorrow, well?

do you?
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
in borderline respect i offer this:

werner you have led a sedentary life
of little dynamics.

your domain is little changed;
though it is valiant,
in that you surrender your position
to those whom travel beyond their understanding.

i give you credibility as
a yosar king.

though i may offer,
pridefully that you have chosen
the less-than-warrior path
in that you never leave your comfort pole-position.

you should try starting last
and then working your way to the front.

then i might heed your abhorant and boastful yearnings.

you are as much of a fool as i am.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Oct 18, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
Why the error of understanding with the OT (Old Covenant) and the NT (New Covenant)?

You can't understand the New Covenant (NT) without the Old Covenant (OT) and vise-versa.

Messianic Judaism 101.

The Torah, aka The Law, aka Instruction is still valid.
It hasn't been done away with. The Torah, The OT, showed us what sin was, and that the wages of sin is death. It is our school master. Our task master. It's still valid today. Yeshua said he didn't come to destroy The Law, but to full-fill The Law, every last jot and tittle of the law. And he did. He never broke The Torah. He was sinless.

New Messianic Jewish believers during the first 2 centuries after the crucifiction of Yeshua, when they found Yeshua, when they found and accepted Yeshua HaMashiac, they found the last piece of the puzzle through the inspiration of G-d and his Ruach. They continued to be observant Jews. They were zealous for The Torah still. Coming to Yeshua didn't do away with the law, or still being and practicing Jews. However, they didn't have to offer sacrifices or burnt offerings for the atonement of their sins any longer. They would give offerings and sacrafices for love and devotion instead. You can't improve on what Yeshua did for us. Also, they weren't under condemnation for breaking Torah, there was forgiveness now. There wasn't the penalty of punishment or death any longer when they (we) break Torah, which they (we) would occasionally still do. Mankind is human and fallible.

What Yeshua came to do was to full-fill the law and become the perfect forever lasting Lamb of G-d to finally once and for all become the final perfect atonement for sin for all mankind for eternity. He did that. Accomplished. No more sacrifices of Red Heifers or animals of any-kind are needed for the atonement of man's sin are needed ever again. Yeshua HaMashiac is The Eternal Lamb of G-d.

During the 1000 years of peace, The Millennium, Sacrificial and burnt offerings will still be done in the future for love and worship offerings to Hashem Adonai Elohim, but not for the Atonement of sin. You can't do anything better or improve on Yeshua's perfect atonement for our sin.

We now have forgiveness. With the Law we had corporal punishment, death when we broke G-d's Torah, G-d's Law, G-d's Instruction. Now under the New Covenant, a better Covenant (G-d promised a better Covenant was coming in the OT with the coming of Yeshua HaMashiac). When we accept G-d's perfect atonement for our sins and our sins are remembered no more, we are no longer under the corporal punishment and death of (which we fully deserve by the way) The Torah. We now have forgiveness and life. No more corporal punishment or death when we fall and break Torah. We accept Yeshua HaMashiac into our lives, into our hearts, we now live under grace and forgiveness. The corporal punishment of the law has been done away with for those under the atoning blood of Yeshua.

Don't you want that love and forgiveness that only comes from Yeshua HaMashiac?
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
that was brilliant, officer. where did you learn that tactic?

Hey, fool, sober up, I work for a living! What was your MOS? Piece o..............candy!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
im a fool and thus emboldened
by a spectral understanding.

i don't give a fvck what you
do for a day job.

you're lost and i needn't
slander you,
for you paint your own ill story very well.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
we are no longer under the corporal punishment and death of (which we fully deserve by the way)

MAN, that's good!

"How are you?"

"Better than I deserve!"

"Awe, you deserve better than that."

"Actually, I deserve God's judgement, but I've been given His mercy (getting what I don't deserve).


Glory to God
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
im a fool

Even simple words, such as "fool" are perverted over time from their original intended definitions and are thus interpreted as "slanderous."

"The first indication of foolishness is misunderstanding." - RU Third Talk

"He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: but he that is hasty of spirit exalteth folly." -- Prov 14:29

"Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools." - Ecc 7:9

Understand - See Under, see Stand (1828 Websters)

Under - Beneath; below; In a state of pupillage or subjection; In a less degree than., less than., inferior to., in a state of bearing or being burdened;, liability or obligation, In subordination to; in the state of protection or defense.

Stand - To be upon the feet; to be fixed or set; To remain upright; to have a certain position or location.

When we are in submission, less than, in a position of being up underneath and bearing the weight of a person, who may be exhibiting their shortcomings, we are actually in "a sate of protection or defense." It is when we "stand-up" instead of to "under-stand" that person that we become vulnerable to the devils destruction, a "fool".

"He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls." - Prov 25:28

Thank God for Pastor Chaney's. motivational Third Talk on Friday July 2nd, 2011.



Don't jump to conclusions Norwegian. As well, you obviously aren't familiar with the retort, "I work for living" in the military, officer vs. enlisted ranks, for if you were you'd have realized by my reply that I wasnt an officer. I lead you down the road of confusion and you scored absolutely brilliant.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
i've three degrees in confusion.
the money comes upon me from all
directions. i cant dodge it anymore,
it is overwhelming my dirtbag ambitions.

help! im a passenger to surrender,
a driver of cowardice.

i wanna be afraid.
please teach me your graces, mister truth.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
i've three degrees in confusion. the money comes upon me from all directions. i cant dodge it anymore, it is overwhelming my dirtbag ambitions.

Sounds like you're richer than I am! I aint got a "day job"...unemployed here, you buying?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Oct 18, 2012 - 09:26pm PT
Teller is squirming in his grave.

Pissing off his friends could grant you an early entry into whatever it is you believe is the kingdom you enter after you shoot yourselves lethally in the foot.

Bless your wicked little hearts you sinners.

Hubert Lindsey, Berkeley CA
Hubert Lindsey, Berkeley CA
Credit: zBrown
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Oct 18, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
I remember Hubert!
Great entertainment.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 19, 2012 - 06:51am PT
Another day BB, glory to God!
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