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Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Oct 17, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
You will not find great differences for the most part. However some are interesting.

The original Aramaic says it's as easy for a rich man to get into heaven as for a rope to go through the eye of a needle. The King James version states as easy as for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. I personally prefer the camel image. If one believes however that every word came from God then the camel version is incorrect.

More to the point he explains things in terms of middle eastern customs. When the Old Testament says if you look on a woman with lust in your heart, you have committed adultery, he explains this refers to the fact that women used to go up onto the rooves of their homes to bathe in private. If a guy climbs up the walls of the house and the wall around the roof and spies on her from a higher point after great effort at invading her privacy, then he has done wrong. That puts a much more liberal and common sense spin on the whole issue for sure.

He was also amazed at the interpretation by some folks in Appalachia of the verse about if you have faith you can dance with serpents, explaining that dancing with serpents was an Aramaic idiom that referred to cunning people who deceived others with their clever speech and had nothing to do with actual reptiles. In general he found that many such aberrations had crept in because of the misunderstanding of the original language and context.

And finally, he explained that the original Aramaic Bible did not include the Book of Revelations because its authorship was suspect and it was too difficult to understand and too easily misunderstood. Imagine how Christianity would be different if people were not always predicting the end of the world based on that book of the New Testament?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 17, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
Thanks Jstan!

Jan
I've heard the story of, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, than for a rich man to enter heaven. I've had it described to me in this way. In the days of old when they had walls around the cities and kingdoms. They had different size and shapes of the doors to allow in what they wanted and to keep out what they didn't. Most of the time they didn't want animals in, and probably because a crap everywhere. One of the doors was made the size for people. Which most animals couldn't fit. One of the doors was shaped like the head of a sewing needle. If you can imagine coincides with the shape of a camel. Well you had to go under much scrutiny for them to open that door. You needed to prove you were someone important before they would allow your camel in.
So this is how it pertained to people in that day. And today we read it a little bit differently. But it still makes the same Goodsense. Because the story is about "matter". Camels, needles, doors. But the message is spiritual. Thus everlasting!

Jus Thread'in
BB
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Oct 18, 2012 - 04:03am PT
blueblocr-

That's exactly my point. The Bible is meant for spiritual edification and was never meant to be taken literally word for word. It means different things to different historical periods and cultures. You should read some of the interpretations of new Christians in Asia and Africa if you want a different perspective.

If you do want to split hairs over every word, then you should go back to the original source. If the Aramaic says rope through the eye of a needle, then rope it is.

And if you prefer the King James Version fine, just don't impute bad motives to other people who have a different view. That's all I'm saying.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 18, 2012 - 06:29am PT
splitter thoughtfully said:

edit: Norton, have you heard about all the deaths associated with the fungal meningitis outbreak that was traced to contaminated steroid back injections? I was just asking because I recall you saying that you get one every three months or so (as do I) so I thought I would post here to let you know. About 247 deaths so far, and they (Food, Drug & Center for Desease Control) are suggesting that it may go over "tens of thousands". i just heard about it today!


splitter, thank you for this, I did not know it included injections
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Oct 18, 2012 - 06:57am PT
gobi you
seem to be stuck on
the dark side of the son.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 07:38am PT
Okay, Norton....psst....so, back to your original interest to discuss the Bible...shall we begin? Let's agree that one question or concern, or whatever you wish to call it, at a time, then the other is given time to respond WITHOUT the other flooding the pages with ongoing "babble." Oh, did we agree to use the KJV or not...for we really can't begin until then?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 18, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
re: (1) anti-aging claims (2) anti-dying claims

In the news: Government accuses Avon (a cosmetics company) of making claims that go too far. What's next, religion?

Inside sources say... No more free passes for these charlatans!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57534835/fda-accuses-avon-lancome-other-cosmetic-companies-of-making-ad-claims-that-go-too-far/
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 18, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
How did The Bible come to be, why are there different versions, what is the nature of the belief that one version is a more "truthful" representation than another version?

If there were an obvious or authoritative 'word of god', there would be one church and not dozens and dozens of yellow page listings in even small towns.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
That's exactly my point. The Bible is meant for spiritual edification and was never meant to be taken literally word for word.

Jan, let me help you out a bit...

Here is the entire bible (love letter) summed up, really, in two verses, starting with the first prophecy in the Bible, and ending with why Jesus Christ was sent here to this earth. Your summation couldn't be further from the Truth (Jesus saith unto him (Thomas), I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" - John 14:6):



"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel...For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" - Genesis 3:14-15, John 3:17.


Praying for you Jan
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Oct 18, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
Werner doesn't have the brains to make up his own religion.
He might have chosen an unusual flock, but he's still a sheep.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
"God" healyje, not "god."
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 18, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
^^^^^^
U guys r fast!
Ditto for praying for jan..
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 18, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" - Genesis 3:14-15, John 3:17.

The most bankrupt aspect of christianity and many other religions is the notion of 'original sin' and the idea the world needs to be 'saved'. Both ideas are simultaneously corruptions and perversions of spirit and are explicitly designed to subjugate humanity on a broad scale. Not only do I soundly reject all such ideas, but further find them utterly repugnant, reprehensible and unconscionable as well.

P.S. it's most definitely just more one 'god' among tens of thousands of human gods throughout history.
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
interesting human story.

Ed, not close, and yet, no cigar, but I can help:



"Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" - 2 Corinthians 10 - 20 (KJV).

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might" - Ephesians 6:10-12 KJV.

Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
Come on BB, ayudame', we got 'em spinnin'
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
The most bankrupt aspect of christianity and many other religions is the notion of 'original sin' and the idea the world needs to be 'saved'. Both ideas are simultaneously corruptions and perversions of spirit and are explicitly designed to subjugate humanity on a broad scale. Not only do I soundly reject all such ideas, but further find them utterly reprehensible and unconscionable as well.


almost ALL religions, especially Christianity, have at their core that humans are deeply flawed and therefore must be "saved", and ONLY through "ritual" ceremonies within that particular religion/church.

Thus, infants, infants I tell you, MUST be "baptized", and damn quickly because they might die if their father swings their head against a stone for crying too loud or whatever.

The concept is that the infant IS born with original SIN, SIN I tell you, an infant.

Oh yea, you absolutely HAVE to capitalize the "g" in "god" or, or else.

Santa will be here in a couple months, then the Easter Bunny.

children, and many "adults" believe anything they were taught as children
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
You see Ed, this is exactly why I will not give you a bit of my own "stinkin' thinkin' because then you'd be getting vanity, which is an old english word for the modern english word................nothing, literally, NOTHING! The Bible was written by God, "God is spirit" - John 4:24, so, for me to give my "two cents" about the Bible would be silly. I'm carnal, flesh, hence why my, your, Jan's, BB's, Werner, etc., brilliant babblings are but vanity, N.O.T.H.I.N.G.! It's a spiritual battle Ed, God vs. satan! Entiende?
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
KJV Norton?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
Here comes holloween Norton's favorite holiday!

He gets to masquerade as a human going thread to thread handing out hate and lies

Jus Listen'in
BB
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 18, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
Thats correct Norton, an infant is an inherent sinner, "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:...Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;...Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" - Romans 3:10,22-23, 5:12.

Yet God makes exceptions for those that are not of age to comprehend the need for salvation, aka "age of accountability":

Deut 1:39 "Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it."

Isaiah 7:16 "For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings."


There is more, study it out.

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