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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 18, 2011 - 12:53am PT
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Came home today from climbing and the prototype arrived!
Here she is.
It is a beautiful bronze color. First step was to cut the grips. They are over 5" long from the company....First I tried the scissors/razor blade deal...no go...might as well used a machete.
Already stumped. Sent an e-mail to Middendorf for suggestions and then had a great idea. Use a 3/4" stock knurled bar I had laying around (I don't know why I had it sitting here) and chuck it on the lathe. Using a modified cut off tool......Bingo, perfect cut. Not really looking forward to doing 250 of these this way, but it works.
Next step was swaging. Pretty straight forward here. I'll experiment with some possable options for a wrist loop later, some good ideas out there.
Next step was to check out the collet bore and wrench flats. For tonight I have not glued the grip yet. That will go down tomorrow.
Thats it. I will start wailing on it tomorrow and keep everyone posted. The hardend insert sticks out just a bit more than the end of the drill. I am not sure how big of a differance, if any @ all, this will make. Still waiting on quotes for the wrench sets, so I do not have final pricing nailed down yet.
I did order 50 25/64 collets. This should be enough to get started, soon as some sell I will get some more so there is no down time. Still looking like the first couple of weeks in Feburary to have everything in my shop for the build.
I will keep updating this thread as this project moves along. At some point I may get around to getting a list together of people who posted that they were interested or who e-mailed me directly. Still have a lot of hammering to do real quick so I can tell the shop to start production. have to try some different glue options, but there is time to figure that out.
Thanks Everyone!
Luke
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:00am PT
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cool hand grip luke, they call him.
total length?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 02:04am PT
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Right @ 5" with the collet in place and locknut shut.
Luke
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jan 18, 2011 - 08:46am PT
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Nice!
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Jan 18, 2011 - 09:15am PT
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Looks great Luke, thanks for keeping us in the loop.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 10:17am PT
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Dingus,
I don't think that the rockpeck is undesirable. The Hurricane drill just offers couple of different options. With the Hurricane drill you are not confined to just using standard SDS bits, you can use SDS or HSS bit which some people prefer. You can also cut down and SDS or HSS bit to shorten the length. It does use wrenches, but it also does not pinch your hand.
Hope this helps,
Luke
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:40am PT
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Yup, Dingus, the Rockpeck has an integrated SDS holder on the end, so therefore has no collet to swap out and is incompatible with anything other than SDS shank drills.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Jan 18, 2011 - 11:18am PT
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Looking good* and standing by**...
*The holder, not me.
**Me, not the holder.
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utahman912
Social climber
SLC, UT
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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I would love one of these if you are taking orders. Be happy to pay in advance if you need to generate some working capital.
jb
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:19pm PT
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the Rockpeck has an integrated SDS holder on the end, so therefore has no collet to swap out and is incompatible with anything other than SDS shank drills.
The drill I had used SDS bits. I was told that the play allowed by the bit holder helped quicken the drilling. See what I mean?...
On the H-drill, the bit is clamped down w/ no play, right?
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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Correct, Disaster Master, the drill is clamped tight in the Hurricane with no play.
As for the play in the SDS allowing quicker drilling, I believe that only holds true for power drilling. My understanding of it is that the high frequency of the impacts will cause the drill to bounce back and forth between the hammer and the bottom of the hole, thereby recovering some of the energy from each blow and putting it into the next one. The high frequency impacts don't happen with hand drilling, so it really doesn't apply. Another way to think about it is bouncing a ball... if you just drop it it will only bounce back up so far, while giving it a push when it gets to the top will make it bounce higher.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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No need to pay in advance. I appreciate the offer though.
Luke
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 18, 2011 - 03:54pm PT
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...waiting for the Titanium one:-) Already have 2 hand drills (Rocpec and Hurricane) and 2 power drills. As I age, looking to carry less weight into the back country:-)
...I'll probably have to just get that trail motorcycle so I can haul all my crap up there fast on the nearby hiking trail.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 04:31am PT
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Finished up cutting the grips I had here to length and epoxy is curing over night. Hopefully I'll give it a good test run tomorrow.
Luke
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tenesmus
Trad climber
slc
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Jan 20, 2011 - 08:15am PT
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Sure is purdy!
How big are your hands and will that grip let your whole hand rest on it?
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 10:23am PT
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How is the proto type working?
Is this a crack? Or a reflection?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 10:25am PT
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Tensemus,
My hands are I guess average size. I fatten the grip up like Minerals did with tape. Grip does not cover the whole hand. My hand ends up covering up most of the locknut as well.
Hope this helps
Luke
edit: Disaster Master- That is a small scratch I put on it that is magnified by my camera flash.
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msiddens
Trad climber
Mountain View
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:08am PT
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looks really nice....I remain impressed and interested.
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:33am PT
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I would get one, if they can get done quicker than the 5 year D5.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 11:35am PT
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I think I could get them done in under 5 years..lol. Looking like a month or so, as everything is almost ordered. The hammers were worth waiting for in my opinion.
Luke
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:38am PT
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For Sure. Love Mine !
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Thorgon
Big Wall climber
Sedro Woolley, WA
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Jan 20, 2011 - 12:13pm PT
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Luke Drillwalker,
Send me a message when they are available! The design is Top Self for sure!
Thor
"May the Force be with you!"
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
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Thor will do. All design credit can go to Middendorf! I am just reviving The project.
Thanks,
Luke
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 01:55pm PT
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Luke,
Put me down for one.
kev
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 02:17pm PT
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All design credit can go to Middendorf! I am just reviving The project.
I bet with all the D5 hammer entheusiasm (sp) you could sell over 100 quick!
PS- does anyone know how to make this reply screen spellcheck?
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Thorgon
Big Wall climber
Sedro Woolley, WA
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:22pm PT
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Luke: I definitely concur, Middendorf has been "Tinkering" with gear a long time!
Thor
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mikeyschaefer
climber
Yosemite
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:42pm PT
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I'd buy one as well.
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rick d
climber
ol pueblo, az
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:09pm PT
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as said before, I am in for one.
hand drill only folks!!! ban the moto drill!!!
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bubble boy
Big Wall climber
topanga, CA
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:12pm PT
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Sign me up!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
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Noted.
Luke
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:41pm PT
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My hammers are feeling listless, count me in.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:54pm PT
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I want one! Please...
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:57pm PT
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As I said in the other thread put me down for one too
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 20, 2011 - 07:29pm PT
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Luke, here are those photos…
I believe this is one of the original Hurricanes, from an early batch. The hardened insert sticks out quite a bit and the chamfer on the end of the shank is less pronounced than that of your prototype. The diameter of the insert on this drill is about 0.435”. What’s the diameter of the insert on the prototype?
As you can see, the striking surface on the well-used drill on the left is relatively flat, compared to the drill with the raised insert. It seems like a larger striking surface is easier to hit when drilling fast, and a narrow striking surface is more likely to cause the hammer to deflect. I think the edges of the hardened insert on at least one of my Hurricanes has chipped (a lot), and once it was ground flat again, the insert ended up almost flush with the top edge of the drill shank. As a guess, I’d say that the insert is more likely to chip if it is raised, and less likely to chip if it is completely seated within the drill shank.
The top edge of the shank will mushroom over time, but much less than if there were no hardened insert. The mushroom can be removed with a file or grinder (keep it cool…). I’d suggest seating the insert such that the bottom edge of the radius sits flush with the end of the shank. As far as the chamfer, I wouldn’t go any more than what is pictured on the drill on the right. More chamfer equals smaller striking surface. With time, the end of the shank is going to mushroom anyways, so might as well keep the chamfer minimal. Make sense?
The grip on the original Hurricane (right) is slightly longer; these drills were sold with the thin 9/16” wrench, which doesn’t require the entire wrench flat to be exposed.
It’s great to see this project moving along! Sure looks nice! Cheers!
EDIT: Thanks to Fuzzywuzzy for the almost new Hurricane!!!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
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Minerals,
Thanks a bunch for the photos. The insert in the prototype and the one that I specified is close to that size (around 7/16 i think. I'll check when I get home.). Let me see what I can do about changing the taper with the machine shop. I also agree( and talked to Deuce about it) that having the insert .005 to .0010 above the striking face should be ideal. The insert should join flush with the striking face with use.
I think that cutting the grips a little longer (as shown with the unused one in your picture) so there is just enough clearance for the new thin wrenches will feel better on the hand.
Any body have any thoughts on this?
Thanks,
Luke
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msiddens
Trad climber
Mountain View
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Jan 20, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
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if it wasn't clear before, I want one.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 08:06pm PT
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msiddens. got you in for one. No list yet. I'll get to that when we are all satisfied with the design and I tell them to start cranking them out.
Thanks,
Luke
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 20, 2011 - 08:16pm PT
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Luke, glad to help out.
“I also agree( and talked to Deuce about it) that having the insert .005 to .0010 above the striking face should be ideal. The insert should join flush with the striking face with use.”
Perfect!!!
If you go with a longer grip, it’s easy for anyone to cut it shorter with a razor-knife, if they prefer. I put a fat bevel on the end of the grip to get rid of the 90-degree edge and to improve comfort.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 08:19pm PT
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As my dad always said, the bevel's in the details.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 20, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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Luke
Put my name on the list for one too!!!!
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bmacd
Social climber
100% Canadian
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Jan 20, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
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I'll take one to go with my new hammer please
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 10:40pm PT
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Alright.
Here are the wrench patterns! Just got this from the stamping outfit.
All can be made 7 guage Steel (.179 nominal). I think this will be the best option for a light wrench that would stand up to tightening bolts as well. I need to pick 1 from the "A" photos" and one from the "B" photos. Maybe have the 7/8 wrench made thinner as it is not going to have the repeated tourque from tightening bolts.
On the box end 7/8 wrench. The corcle around the hex will not be a perfect circle but a little oblong. (kind of shown in pictures). Something to do with the way they allign the dies or something. Think of it as a bottle opening tab.
Just for referance, in 7 guage steel, #30 below would weight about 5.5oz
The black holes in the picture are holes for a clip in loop.
Let me know what you guys think.
Thanks,
Luke
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
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A2 and B1 look good to me. The heavy 7/8” Hurricane wrench seems to be 0.179” as well. Maybe stick with that for durability and to prevent any cracking. What do you think about putting the clip-in loop hole just offset of center of the wrench? That way, the leash wouldn’t get in the way during use. Way cool!
EDIT: One concern with pattern A2 is that with a wider wrench end, mobility will be more limited when tightening a bolt with a hanger. The typical “Craftsman-type” open-end wrenches are much narrower and thus have greater mobility (degrees of rotation) when a hanger is involved. Deucey’s wrench idea posted below would probably solve this problem, if one can be found, or created.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:37pm PT
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I always wished to find a manufactured wrench with one end for the Hurricane, and the other for Rawl Bolts--something drop forged and solid would be ideal--but could never find one. Perhaps something to consider if you are getting custom wrenches made.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:34am PT
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Minerials,
I agree to the pattern A2 and B1. Same size. I can have the hole punched where ever. Just wanted it in the diagram some where.
Wish I had thought about a custom made drop forged wrench. Harder to find an outfit that does that as opposed to the metal stamping.
Luke
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:56am PT
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ya, I was thinking of a manufactured drop forged 7/8" and 9/16" combo, but it is definitely not a standard item (they usually come 7/8"-3/4" etc.)
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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still an awesome idea. I searched around a bit to try and find something similar in a droped forged design ( was looking for a 1/2 and 9/16 combo as well, def not standard and really close in size). Closest I found would be haveing some lazercut as opposed to stamping.
Thanks,
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
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Mini update:
Going to try out some glue options for the grip tomorrow and give it a good trial run. I am using a loctite epoxy that will need to cure until tomorrow evening. The glueing process was a bit more involved than I thought. It is a 2 part process where small ridges are built with epoxy, that must cure, then more epoxy is added while the grip is pushed on. The glue fills in the little channels and does not get all pushed out to one end as the grips are a really tight fit.
Kind of techy and boring for an update....but just wanted to report on the status....
Thanks,
Luke
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Jan 23, 2011 - 08:45am PT
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The only combo 1/2 & 9/16's I've seen are tubing wrenches. Ah, well.
Looks like progress is bein' made, though, eh? Good on ya. Cheers!
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mawk
Big Wall climber
Hugo, MN
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Jan 23, 2011 - 10:28am PT
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Re: Wrenches.
You might want to check out Metrinch www.metrinch-tools.com
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jan 23, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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Hey Luke- If you haven't pulled the pin on the wrenches yet, I asked around on one of my machining forums and it seems that 9/16" x 1/2" open end wrenches aren't as rare as we thought. Grainger carries a bunch of options, with the cheapest being from Westward at $5.95(Part #1EYL5). It's a bit longer than the one you spec'd (6-1/2" vs 6-1/8"), but definitely in the ballpark and chrome plated. They also carry a extra-thin option from Proto (Part #1ANM9), but it's 10" long and quite a bit more expensive ($15.05).
IIRC the one from Westward is a couple more bucks than what you got quoted for stamping, but might be a more comfortable and longer lasting option.
-a.
EDIT- Oh, and I can't find a comparable option for the 7/8" box wench, as as the shortest I can find is 11-5/8" long for $15.67 (Part #1EYH9). It's also black oxide finish and 12point on the box end. They do have a 10" long 13/16" x 7/8" open end wrench though, which is $11.14 (Part #1EYL8).
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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Jan 23, 2011 - 02:36pm PT
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I would definitely vote for making the grips as long as you can (while still allow clearance for the wrench). This will make them far more comfortable (and stable) in your palm.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 23, 2011 - 06:52pm PT
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i said this once already, i think, but yeah,
i want one!
it'll replace my old one.
and if i don't get, yer a communist.
heh
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2011 - 10:30pm PT
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Well I got to finially drill with this thing. Everything help up just fine except for the grip. The epoxy did not bond we and during the second hole the grip started to slide off. Bummer, but not a big deal, I will find out the correct glue. Just sucks scraping off the old epoxy only to do it again! Going to try some different stuff I ordered and some moto grip glue as well.
The hardened insert did not chip or crack in the little testing I did and it did not mess up my hammer nearly as bas as i thought it would as the striking insert is harder than my hammer. As I drilled a few holes the insert started to become smooth and the indents were even less.
I am going to talk to the shop tomorrow and have them change the chamfer on the end and the length of the insert as discussed earlier......Oh yea, and tell them to srart production!
As far as the wrenches go, I am going to think about it tonight and let the stamping outfit know tomorrow one way or the other. I am leaning twords the stamped wrenches a little due to the fact of cost and by having a thinner wrench, the grips can be cut longer making them more comfortable in the hand.
I'll work more on leash ideas over the next couple of days and more on the glue choice as soon as that arrives.
I will have enough to have 50 drills completed asap when the drills arrive. The only thing I will need to get more of to finish the other 200 drills will be more 25/64" collets. These are not to hard to find....I just will need to recoup some money before I can buy more. They cost $11.68 a piece, and when you need 250, it adds up quick. Could not find a better price anywhere.
Thanks,
Luke
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Jan 25, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
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I'll want one too when they are ready. I know, no list for now but still wanted to throw my name out there.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2011 - 01:51pm PT
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After thinking about which wrench to go with, I decided to go with the stamped flat wrenches pictured a few posts above. These will allow a longer grip to be put on the drill and should be a cheaper lighter weight piece. I ordered them Yesterday and will post up some pictures after I receive the samples. The sample wrenches will not be heat treated or plated, just want to confirm the fit before production starts. If one wants to use a different wrench, just cut back the grips.
I am going try a the 2 new types of epoxy as soon as it is done drying tonight or tomorrow. I have 2 different blends on 2 different drills and hopefully they will hold this time. The first round I tried failed rather quickly.
I also reduced the chamfer on the end with the machine shop and had the insert shortened. Getting them within .005 - .0010 is not really going to work as that is the tolerance for the pins. They will be flush or slightly above. Best we could do.
Thanks,
Luke
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Jan 27, 2011 - 01:57pm PT
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put my name for 3
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utahman912
Social climber
SLC, UT
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Jan 31, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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Bump because my friend the D5 yearns to mate with a Hurricane
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squatch
Boulder climber
santa cruz, CA
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Jan 31, 2011 - 02:54pm PT
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I'm down to purchase one when they are available.
one question: will the drill come with two size collets? one for 1/4" bits and one for 3/8"?
or is there an easy source to order the different collets for retrofitting?
i guess the problem with including different collets is that some people will be using HSS bits and others might prefer modified (cut down) SDS bits which i think would be four different size collet combinations if you're moving between 3/8" and 1/4".
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2011 - 04:16pm PT
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squatch,
I am including a 25/64" collet with the drill. This will work on all SDS bits and 25/64" HSS bits (Both used to drill a 3/8" hole). The collets are available from most metal working companies ( MSC is a good one, just search for DA200 collet and a bunch of suppliers will pop up).
I am just waiting for everything to show up. All is paid for and assembly should not take to long. I have not had any luck with the 3 different epoxy blend I have tried. Renthal grip glue seems to be working great for now. Need to drill a few more holes with it.
As stuff arrives I will keep updating the thread. It is happening FOR SURE!
Thanks,
Luke
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 31, 2011 - 04:19pm PT
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I would love to get one too.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 31, 2011 - 04:20pm PT
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Add one for me.
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Clippy Thing
Trad climber
Texass
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Jan 31, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
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Luke,
I had some golf clubs regripped a while back. They applied some tape on the shaft,
wet it down which activates a glue and slid the grip on. Never had a problem with em.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2011 - 05:42pm PT
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Clippy,
I will check into that...never thought of it. The instant glue for motorcycles nI used on the proto works great, however, it leaves a white residue on the flange after it starts to cure.Pain in the ass to clean up. I am going to try some other grip glue next. I just want to make sure I can deliver a long lasting drill.
Thanks,
Luke
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Luke,
where are you taking orders from????
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Luke, I second what CLIPPY Thing Mentioned.
I used to work at a golf shop as a kid.
That tape would solve your problem, wrap it, wet it, slide the grip on and BAM!
It will hold on tighter than a 40 year old girlfriend.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2011 - 03:58pm PT
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SteveW- I have not started to take orders as of yet. I will do so When they are all finished. I am still working out the details, they will be set up online for buying with a CC i think on SImons website, I guess if one wanted to use cash or paypal I could find a way to make that work also.
Everything is paid for, Just waiting on parts!
Does anyone have any more info on the Tape (links, type, etc)?
Thanks,
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
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I will order some up now. Looks like a good solution
Thanks!
Luke
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Caz
Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA.
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I'm still in for one. I can't wait!
Zac
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2011 - 01:12pm PT
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Machine shop just called, parts are done and off to heat treatment. Should be here next week. Just wanted to give eveyone a heads up.
Thanks,
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2011 - 01:04am PT
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Just got an e-mail confirmation that the wrench samples are on their way. Have not had good luck with the golf grip tape thus far. I keep on getting sand and dirt down in the grip, this sticks to the tape, grip slips.
Still working on getting the glue figured out (so far renthal instant grip glue (superglue)and another epoxy has worked the best. Drill bodies and collet nuts should be shipping this week as well. Things are starting to come together. I'll throw up some pics when the stuff arrives.
Thanks,
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2011 - 11:02pm PT
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Wrench samples arrived today! They look better than expected. These are raw samples that have not been heat treated or plated, but you get the idea.
Here is how they compare to the old ones in size:
I had the thickness beefed up a bit on both. Should have no problem cranking on bolts with the 1/2, 9/16 combo.
Here is how they compare in thickness. Sample is on the left, two on the right are original Hurricane wrenches.
Tried them out and everything jives perfectly. The holes for the clip in loops are off center, letting the heavier end hang down. These should eliminate the need for a third wrench for 5 piece bolts. I have not weighed the wrenches yet, my scale is busted.
I am going to tell them to start cranking them out in the morning. I have been really having a hard time with the glue. I talked to 3m today and have some epoxy on the way, should be here by the end of the week.
Thanks, looking like things are still on track for the most part. Stay tuned!
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2011 - 09:52pm PT
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The drills are in route and should be here next week. I had them snap a picture of the corrected insert and chamfer before he packed them up. It is hard to tell how the chamfer looks, but if it to short I can correct it on the lathe....easier to add a chamfer than to remove one.
Here you go:
We are getting closer!
Thanks Everyone,
Luke
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squatch
Boulder climber
santa cruz, CA
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Feb 19, 2011 - 04:35am PT
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looking totally sweet!
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bmacd
Social climber
100% Canadian
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Feb 19, 2011 - 08:20am PT
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2 questions:
have you drilled a hole with one yet and how was the strike action ?
is IHP doing the payment or how are we doing payments this time ?
I'm super psyched and now also slim, fit, strong and healthy, thanks to all the inspiration from my virtual bro's on ST !!! CAN hardly wait to get on the sharp end with my new hammer and drill on the Chief ....
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2011 - 10:27am PT
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I have drilled about 20 or so complete holes with the prototype, and countless sessions of sensless abuse. Every time I would try a new adhesives for the grip, I'd wail on it.
Feels just like an original as far as function. They have a bit more weight to them than the Petzl rockpec, which I like. The drill does not seem to bounce around as much when you start to drill the hole.
The Prototype had the hardened insert raised to much. I had the shop make them just about flush for the production run. The insert is harder than most hammers, so it will leave some small impressions in the hammer face until it has been hammered flush with the striking surface. This will happen over time with use.
Still figuring out the Payment method. IHP is still looking like he will be the one handeling payment. If one wants to use Paypal or Postal $ order I can make that work, but the bulk will most likely be up on Simons website (just like the hammers).
I am still waiting on everything to arrive to calculate the total costs of parts, parts shipping, card fees, shipping to you, etc. After the drills arrive, the wrenches, grips and glue should be here soon after. Then is is build time. We are no where close to having 250 sold, so everyone will get one as of now.
Thanks,
Luke
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:05am PT
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My D5 hammer asked me to bump this thread.
--Eric
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Feb 24, 2011 - 11:21am PT
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If anyone needs any rivet hangers, heads, etc., shoot Luke an Email. He makes great stuff at a good price. And his service is incredibly quick. I emailed him one day and the stuff was in the post the next day.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2011 - 09:37pm PT
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Came home from work today and.....
They're Here!!!!!
249 drills and collet nuts + 50 collets. I must say they look great.
and....
250 lbs of raw parts and a fat UPS bill later, they are finially here.
I have enough collets to have 50 ready to go as soon as the grips and wrenches arrive. I think I have found an epoxy that will work, just takes a while to cure and I should be able to put the grip on the prototype tonight....field testing over the weekend.
As I start to build them I will post up some more pics on the process. I defanitly have my work cut out for me. Still need to wait for the other stuff to arrive to factor in the shipping costs.
Thanks everyone for being paitent...Still a lot of work to do but this is a big step.
Luke
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utahman912
Social climber
SLC, UT
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Feb 24, 2011 - 11:15pm PT
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woo hoo!
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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Feb 25, 2011 - 04:22pm PT
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"Drill porn" is right. Looking good!
--Eric
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 27, 2011 - 03:50pm PT
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Bump for Luke!!!1
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2011 - 01:58am PT
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Well we have incounterd our first hang up in this process.....
The production drills that are sitting in my shop have a major problem with the depth of the collet bore (major by metalworking standards).
I had a chance to get out and drill over the last few days with one random one I selected for myself out of the batch. It worked flawlessly until I tried to remove the bit. Drill bit was stuck in there.
I took the collet nut off completely and still could not get the bit out. I thought it was an issue with an old collet I used and after 30 or so minutes in a vice I finially got the bit out. Here is what happened.
When the Machine shop programmed their machine for production, there was an error on the depth of the hole for the collet. They overshot the hole to much and the bottom of it was not where it was supposed to be (can barely see with the naked eyes and could not tell before the drill was used). The was causeing the drill bit to act like a dowel pin and wedge itself into a taper.
After a long session with the calipers and a real nice day of being on the phone the shop and I came to a conclusion and thought that it would be best to have a new set of drill bodies made. We could just slam a pin in a take up the space, But I want to be able to deliver a product that has no flaws or "may work", especially after all the time I have put in it. I am keeping the collet nuts as they are correct and the collets. The shop ordered new material today and I should have a lead time by Monday.
So what does this mean..... It is going to add more time until they are ready to be assembled and shipped. They were not too psyched about their error believe me. They tried to think of every solution before having wasted all of the time and materials. I wish I could keep them and figure out a way to make them work, but the are all going back to them on Monday. They did stand behind their word.
Really Sucks as we were getting real close to finalizing everything and the grips and wrenches should be here anyday.
I just wanted to thank everyone in advance for being paitent. I'll post up info as I recieve it.
Luke
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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They should have checked dimensions and finish on the first piece as soon as it came off the CNC. Sorry they had to eat the lot. Hope they learned something.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2011 - 02:08am PT
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I agree, I asked them to pull the first one off and send me a picture so I could see the insert and correct chamfer (you would think that they would mic the thing). Next e-mail came quickly and was an invoice.....I think that they and Myself have had better days.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
The Seas of Stone.
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Well, that's kinda how it goes... I would've assumed that the 1st piece out would be inspected before a production run.
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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I would've assumed that the 1st piece out would be inspected before a production run.
I'll bet they do on the next run....
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bubble boy
Big Wall climber
topanga, CA
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I'm getting psyched! Thanks for all the hard work.
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Sometimes you just have to wait when QA is involved. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the effort you are putting into this project. Hopefully the shop is not going to charge you for the second run...
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2011 - 10:30pm PT
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Thanks everyone. They are chopping the stock for the second run. They are not charging for the second run (they stand behind their word, they will make them correct. I am overnighting them 4 drills out of the production run, and boxing the rest up tomorrow. They are going to insert a pin in the bottom of the 4 I am sending them and shipping them back for me to try out.
They are still running me off a new correct batch of 250 which everyone on the list will get.
I just want to see if this error can be corrected and avoid a bunch of scrap.
Who knows. I know that the new batch will work if they are done correctly this time.
Thanks.....I may send some of the ones with the pin in out to people just to try as I am going to get really busy with these when the correct ones arrive.
Luke
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Damien
climber
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Thanks for all your hard work Luke, they're looking sweet!
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Hey Luke- I've got a print for the original Hurricane here (which I think was posted in one of these threads, but damned if I can find it anymore...) and I'm not seeing anything that would cause that behavior by simply overshooting the depth... Having the straight part of the collet bore undersize, sure, but not having either of the tapers further back (which would simply cause uneven clamping of the collet and reduced holding power) or the flat at the bottom further back (which would just let the drill sit deeper.
Perhaps if they overshot with the initial drilling op and happened to use the same size drill you're working with... Hmmm... Yeah, I can see that happening. IIRC there are 2 sizes of drill/collet... Does it happen with both or just the one?
If this is what's happening, you could likely fix it yourself on your lathe. Simply mount a carbide endmill (has to be carbide on account of the heat treat on the holder, and I'd likely use a 2 flute rather than 4 flute) in the tailstock of your lathe (use a MT->endmill adapter, not a drill chuck) and gently bore it out. Print I have has the bottom of the socket at 0.397" +0/-0.002" (I think... hard to make out), which is just over 10mm (0.3937", or better yet 10.05mm / 0.3957" if you can find it). Gently crank it in until it touches the bottom and then back it out. Unless they went _way_ deep he drill would sit a bit deeper in the holder, but that might be a good thing. Oh, and use the tailstock rather than the toolpost as it will eliminate having to manually get things on center.
Same procedure would work if the problem is the 0.454" +0.002/-0 diameter, but would be nowhere near as easy since you can't touch the taper at the back without screwing up the clamping and it's an oddball size.
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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Mar 16, 2011 - 12:42pm PT
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Bump
Any update on the second run?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 01:49pm PT
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They have the material in have started the production for the corrected second run. I recieved corrected ones from the old batch and they look good. I will post up some pictures later tonight. If I can salvage these and the corrected ones work well ( I can not see why they would not, but I need to try them out) then the over all price would drop as I would have 500 of them and could look @ a W/S option for the corrected ones. I am not sure what route to go.
The wrenches should be here any day and the grips are a few weeks behind schedule according to the company that is making them. I was hoping to start shipping them now.
If anyone wants to give the corrected ones a trial (and try out some different glue options for the grip) run shoot me an e-mail. I'll send you a test drill and grip pre cut. I only have a couple to try out...Just be willing to post up some pictures and results on this thread.
Thanks! Sorry I have not had any new info...this has been a bit of a challenge and have been swamped trying to keep everything flowing smooth.
Luke
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Mar 16, 2011 - 01:56pm PT
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BTW, Luke makes a copy of the A5 bolt bag which is totally kick ass and actually has some nice improvements/refinements over Johns design. A bit heavy would be my only critique, but that's a design trade off in which you gain burliness and longevity in return. Not a bad thing to have when you are tossing expensive, critical and sharp objects into a bag and NEED them to be in there and available after that new route sick 50 foot runout as you quickly pump out.
Anyway, just wanted to say.....2 thumbs up for Lukes bolt bag.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Mar 16, 2011 - 02:00pm PT
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Thanks for the link, Couchmaster. Yup, that's the print I saved a copy of. No idea how I missed it in the thread...
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 02:10pm PT
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here are a couple more pics of the CAD drawing:
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2011 - 10:56pm PT
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The new batch of drills went off to heat treat yesterday. Just got an e-mail that the wrenches are shipping early next week. Still waiting on the grips...
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.
Thanks,
Luke
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Mar 31, 2011 - 11:36pm PT
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PRORIETARY ?
Cool, civil unrest included!
Where's my Molotov?
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Caz
Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA.
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Thanks Luke!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 12:43pm PT
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Hey Everyone,
The wrenches arrived yesterday. They look great.
I also have a tracking number for the new batch of drills. They should be here on Tuesday. I am still wavering on aquireing the old batch. Below is a picture of the collet bore from the old corrected batch (sorry it is kind of hard to see)
As far as the adhesive, I have tried over 20 different types. Plain old seamgrip is what I think we will go with. The key was to use a heatgun and heat up the grips, and apply. Keeps the glue from from being pushed out the end. Barge Cement has worked well and Gel Super glue works, but is a mess to clean up. So far Seamgrip has proven the best.
I also went back and changed the chamfer on the back a little bit.
By next week I should have everything except the grips. We are getting close!
Thanks,
Luke
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 10, 2011 - 02:03am PT
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Thank you, Luke!!!!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2011 - 03:22am PT
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The new batch Has arrived!
They look Good..
The prototype has performed perfectly (this was one from the corrected first batch). Seam Grip is holding up and not allowing the grip to move @ all. I got to put up 2 new routes with it over the weekend and am heading out for more over the weekend. So far 10 3/8" x 3.5" holes and no problems. I am going to mic the new ones tomorrow and make sure everything is in spec. So far I have thrown a bit in one and it locked down smoothly and came out way better than the first batch. There are 241 complete drills that will be made for this run. Drills like butter in sandstone.
The insert and the striking surface are holding up great.
I have everything but the grips and am ready to go as soon as they arrive. It is on the top of their list and should be with in a few weeks. I paid for them in Jan, but they are having some serious issues. I guess that is just how it goes.
Thanks everyone for you patience!
Luke
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Apr 13, 2011 - 03:31am PT
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Luke,
Whats up with those wrenches?
My finger is in a holding pattern on the pay button!
Those drills look sick.
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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Apr 28, 2011 - 09:57am PT
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Bumpity bump
Luke, what's the current best guess on availability of these fine drills? Trying to decide if I can wait for the Hurricane or should go beg/borrow/steal a drill from a buddy for a summer project.
--Eric
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 28, 2011 - 10:14am PT
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Yeah, what up with this? Wingers certiified? Deliverable to a general delivery near me?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2011 - 11:13am PT
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Hey all. I should know the status on the grips later today ( and a total leadtime for everyone). They were supposed to be shipping on Monday but I don't have them yet. Should only take me a few days to get them assembled and ready to go. I will be shipping them from Moab directly and we are planning on getting them on Simons website just like the hammers.
Thanks!
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2011 - 10:54am PT
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I have a tracking number for the grips! They should be here by Monday.
I post some more on this later.....Off to work.
Thanks!
Luke
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Apr 29, 2011 - 11:09am PT
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Luke, looks like an awesome project. Did I miss what the price would be?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2011 - 12:27pm PT
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I am still waiting for the grips and then I will calculate all of the shipping charges. I still feel like it is going to be close to $120 For everything shipped to your door.....
Thanks!
Luke
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Apr 29, 2011 - 10:57pm PT
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Cool! Might I suggest cutting the bottom of the grip at an angle, maybe a 45 would be good and maybe leave a flat spot on the bottom of the cut so it is not going to split. In woodworking terms this would be called a chamfer. It is a minor thing but will make the grip look nice. Just turn your cutting tool to the angle you desire.
P.S. Im going to want one!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2011 - 02:36am PT
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Sounds like a good idea. I could easily cut the chamfer on my lathe. I will post up some pictures as the build moves along.
Thanks
Luke
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Maybe I missed it but what will the price be? I want to make sure I get one of these puppies.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
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The Grips are here!.....I now have all of the parts in hand. I am going to start cutting the grips down tonight and start to get these suckers put together. I'll post pics of the process as in moves along.
Thanks!
Luke
Edit: I will have a final price in a few days as soon as some more paperwork shuffles in through the door...Still looking at around $120 shipped.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Just being the geek police, the diagram in Chinchen's post above does not illustrate a 45 degree cut (which would have equal magnitudes on the X and Y dimensions).
If you want it to look like the illustration, the angle would be:
arctan (5/10) = arctan (.5) = 26.6 degrees or .464 radians
Confession: I had to do a little research after realizing I completely forgot whatever I once knew about trig.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
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Update:
We got around to stage one of assembly, cutting the grips to size. We cut 102 last night. I'll go back and put the chamfer on tonight. Just wanted to start to document the process.
Thanks!
Luke
Step one: The first run of 102 grips
The before and after: The grips were cut a little bit longer than seen in the Prototype photos. There is just enough room for the flat wrenches that will be coming with the drills on the wrench flats. If you want to use a different wrench, just cut back the grips.
High tech cutting Jig:
Thanks Everyone...More later
Luke
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msiddens
Trad climber
Mountain View
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very cool. Keep the updates coming!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2011 - 03:02am PT
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Things are moving along Finially!
Over the weekend we swaged up 87 wrist loops and ordered more material for more.
I am doing these in batches of 50. I have enough collets for 98 drills right now. I will get more after these first 2 batches are ready to go.
I don't think that I am going to put a chamfer on the drills (there is already a slight one) or on the grips (cutting the grips with a taper is like cutting into a fast moving gummy bear). It would be easy to do by hand if you would like a taper.
Everything laid out and ready to go
I have all of the paperwork (bills/shipping) and will look over it all and get a final price for everything soon. I am estimating still with in a couple bucks of $120 for everything shipped to your door. Some of the shipping charges were a lot higher than expected. I had to buy 400 grips as the company that made them would only sell them by the case of 200.
I will have extra grips for people to buy if any one is interested, I can tell you that they are really hard to find.
I will post up some more pictures of the process as it moves along.
I also wanted to ask people on if they wanted the manual to come with it. I kind of spaced the instruction booklet when i was putting this together. It would add a little to the cost.
What do you all think?
Thanks!
Luke
EDIT:
Incase anyone is interested in one of these, Caz has been doing a great job on running a "I want one list" Here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1402451&msg=1488062#msg1488062
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Caz
Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA.
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I don't think paperwork is needed.
Thanks for the hard work Luke!
Zac
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Luke, the extra grips are for the small run of titanium drills.
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bubble boy
Big Wall climber
topanga, CA
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May 10, 2011 - 11:14am PT
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Posting instructions here on the thread will work fine for me. Super psyched - Thanks!
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bubble boy
Big Wall climber
topanga, CA
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May 10, 2011 - 11:16am PT
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Should we keep checking this thread, or will will be contacted through email? I have this paranoia that I'll miss the first batch, and be without drill this summer.....
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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May 10, 2011 - 04:12pm PT
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I don't need to have the original instructions included with the drill, but it would be kind of cool to post scans/a PDF for download.
--Eric
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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May 10, 2011 - 04:40pm PT
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I agree with just posting the instructions here or send by email with the order.
Print on your own or go paperless.
Reduce Reuse Recycle
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squatch
Boulder climber
santa cruz, CA
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May 10, 2011 - 11:03pm PT
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Phukin Rad! good job!
psyched to get a precision piece of gear.
thanks!
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2011 - 03:24am PT
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Alright all.....
It has started. I made 10 complete drills last night as a guage on how to get this process streamlined. I pulled the first one from the start of the production process and checked everything just to be 100% sure that everything jived. Here is how the assembly process goes down:
1. Tape the threads on the drill body
2. Wipe drill body with acetone
3. Rough inside of grip with wire brush
4. Wipe inside of grip with denatured alcohol
5. Heat up drill body and grip with heat gun
6. Apply Seam Grip to drill body
7. Push and twist drill body into grip (easy with 2 people)
8. Make sure grip position is correct with 9/16 wrench on wrench flats
9. Wipe off excess glue off flange with denatured alcohol
10. Let glue dry overnight.....
11. Heat flange of grip up with heat gun, swage wrist loop into groove
12. Remove tape from threads, apply anti-seize
13. insert collet, check with drill bit (SDS & HSS), screw on collet nut
14. Wipe down drill, place with wrenches
All of this is done after the grips are cut on the lathe, stainless cable is cut, tubing is cut, wrist loops are swaged.
Quite a few steps for each drill....I am working on streamlining the process.
I will post pictures later as I still have 236 more to do.
As far as the instructions go, I agree that if you want them just print them off. Nothing has changed sense John's original design/batch.
This seems to be the common thought process here.
I would not worry about people not getting a drill. I am going to make 98 and then get them up on Simons site for sale. I will give everyone a notice before they are ready for purchess. If anyone should worry it would be me as there are way more drills than requests.
If anyone wants one PLEASE be on the list that Caz is keeping so I can make sure I have enough made for everyone! I can not get anymore collets until The 1st 98 are sold....When we hit 98 on the "I want one list" there may be a lapse until I can get more collets and build the second batch.
I will be quite busy cranking these things out and going through all of the paperwork.
Here is the 1st 10 ready to be boxed up:
Thanks To everyone for the Support on this!
Luke
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utahman912
Social climber
SLC, UT
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May 12, 2011 - 08:54am PT
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its like Christmas... but without the caroling... thankfully, without the caroling
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Damien
Trad climber
Montana
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May 12, 2011 - 09:58am PT
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Oh man that's a beautiful picture! Job well done, and thank you again for all the time and effort.
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Caz
Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA.
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May 13, 2011 - 12:50am PT
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Hey Luke,
I'm in Chicago doing a gig and will keep up with the list as best I can. There may be a day or two if people add to the list. I have a shift coming up from 12:01am Monday morning to 8am on Wednesday morning. That is going to be a nightmare and I blame the Chicago Bulls for being good for my own personal hell...
ZAc
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2011 - 01:37am PT
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Caz,
No problem @ all. I will be busy making these anyhow. Really appreciate it!
Completed count is up to 36 now :)
Thanks,
Luke
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 13, 2011 - 01:51am PT
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Can we check them out locally?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2011 - 01:57am PT
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Yup Jaybro. Send me a PM. I think we met the otherday?
Thanks!
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2011 - 03:09am PT
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I have 50 complete! Should crank out the rest here asap and get these out to people real soon. I'll be on and off over the next week, need to dedicate all of my time to getting these put together.
Thanks!
Luke
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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May 26, 2011 - 09:38am PT
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Righteous! Can't wait!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 26, 2011 - 09:48am PT
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yow!
and yeah, we did
talk to you soon
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utahman912
Social climber
SLC, UT
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May 26, 2011 - 11:44pm PT
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why wait for tomorrow when you can order one today?
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2011 - 11:49pm PT
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Just got off the Phone with Simon....They are good to go!
http://www.shop.vershke.com/ (CLICK ON VERTICAL TOYS)
Thanks!
Luke
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Howard71
Trad climber
Belen, New Mexico
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Jun 15, 2011 - 04:20pm PT
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Received drill - a great product. Can anyone provide a link for the download of instructions mentioned above?
Howard
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Howard71
Trad climber
Belen, New Mexico
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Jun 15, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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Luke:
Thanks for the link.
Howard
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jun 16, 2011 - 07:45pm PT
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Wow just opened mine. Really nice. Great Job Luke putting this together
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Just wanted to give you all a heads-up on the new 7/8” wrench that comes with the new Hurricane drill, if you haven’t had this problem already. I didn’t buy one but Dan was showing me one a couple of weeks ago and he commented that the bit was loosening. I took a look at the drill (it looks good!!!) and noticed that the collet nut wasn’t fully tight. So I took the wrenches that come with the new drill and tightened the collet nut by putting the 7/8” wrench against a tree and then cranked down on the 9/16” wrench, as I have done hundreds of times with my old Hurricanes and wrenches. (The tree was the closest solid surface around – I usually place one of the wrenches against the rock when climbing.) Anyways, with one crank, the jaws of the open end of the 7/8” wrench bent outward and cracked in three places and the wrench no longer fit properly on the collet nut. I guess wrench option B2 on page three of this thread would have been the better way to go. The collet nut has to be really tight in order to prevent the bit from loosening.
So, with that said, I recommend only using the closed end of the 7/8” wrench, or find a sturdier open-end wrench. A Crescent (adjustable jaw) wrench might work, if you carry one in your kit. I only have one in my belay kit, for tightening quick-links on chain at belay/rap anchors.
Here are two photos for comparison. The first photo shows an old 7/8” wrench that came with the original Hurricane drill and the second photo shows a new 7/8” wrench that is bent and has three cracks in it. Notice that the old wrench has a lot more metal surrounding the jaws. Click on images for larger size.
One other thing, if the cable wrist loop does not spin freely on the drill holder, you can hold the pressed sleeve (that secures the cable loop around the holder) with a pair of pliers and then press the cable loop against something solid in order to make the loop more round (instead of a teardrop shape), which will flare out the cable at the sleeve. A free-spinning wrist loop makes drilling easier and prevents the wrist loop from binding on the holder, especially when fingertip drilling with your arms fully extended.
Hope this helps.
Nice work on the drill holders, Luke!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Some people just don't know their own strength.
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Collonious
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 29, 2015 - 08:54am PT
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I understand these are long gone, but will there be any more production runs?
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Dec 29, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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What shank diameters are compatible with a 25/64" collet? You need a 13/32" bit for 3/8" Rawl bolts if you're using Cobalt or HSS drill bits.
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 29, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
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Email Luke (Runout Customs), he might have a few drills left over from the run. Dude makes great stuff and he's good people.
Edit, here's the link, just checked, http://shop.runoutcustoms.com/ he lists them for $129. and they appear to be in stock.
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klaus
Ice climber
6th and Mission
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Dec 19, 2018 - 11:48am PT
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Does anyone have one of these they want to sell?
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