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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 4, 2011 - 02:53pm PT
George needs to use more sunscreen when working on his Crawford ranch..Bush has cut more wood than Reagan could remember...
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jul 4, 2011 - 02:59pm PT
Wrong again Skippo.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:00pm PT
Skipt..what i don't get is how McCain and his posse constantly flip flop on spending while talking out both sides of their mouths yet continue to trick their constituents into voting for their insanity.....I think most of the republican voting base are wearing the dunce hats..?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:13pm PT
Skipt wrote: What exactly is the part you don't get? Either learn to accept a win on a very good point or continue to act like a clueless dunce.



Who is clueless...the person who continues to support/vote for who created the big deficits in the first place. Retards.


How the four Republican leaders voted:

June 2002: Congress approves a $450 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $6.4 trillion. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor vote “yea”, Kyl votes “nay.”

May 2003: Congress approves a $900 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $7.384 trillion. All four approve.

November 2004: Congress approves an $800 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.1 trillion. All four approve.

March 2006: Congress approves a $781 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.965 trillion. All four approve.

September 2007: Congress approves an $850 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion. All four approve.

Dumb fuking republicans...clueless.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:26pm PT
Legislation to close Gitmo was defeated by Senate Republicans.

Obama said he would sign a bill to close it.

Basic civics, it takes 60 Senate votes to overcome filibusters and pass legislation in the Senate. ALL Republicans voted NOT to close Gitmo. Effort defeated.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:26pm PT
Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job
The stimulus is now causing the economy to shed jobs.
12:07 PM, Jul 3, 2011 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON


When the Obama administration releases a report on the Friday before a long weekend, it’s clearly not trying to draw attention to the report’s contents. Sure enough, the “Seventh Quarterly Report” on the economic impact of the “stimulus,” released on Friday, July 1, provides further evidence that President Obama’s economic “stimulus” did very little, if anything, to stimulate the economy, and a whole lot to stimulate the debt.
obama walks alone

The report was written by the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors, a group of three economists who were all handpicked by Obama, and it chronicles the alleged success of the “stimulus” in adding or saving jobs. The council reports that, using “mainstream estimates of economic multipliers for the effects of fiscal stimulus” (which it describes as a “natural way to estimate the effects of” the legislation), the “stimulus” has added or saved just under 2.4 million jobs — whether private or public — at a cost (to date) of $666 billion. That’s a cost to taxpayers of $278,000 per job.

In other words, the government could simply have cut a $100,000 check to everyone whose employment was allegedly made possible by the “stimulus,” and taxpayers would have come out $427 billion ahead.

Furthermore, the council reports that, as of two quarters ago, the “stimulus” had added or saved just under 2.7 million jobs — or 288,000 more than it has now. In other words, over the past six months, the economy would have added or saved more jobs without the “stimulus” than it has with it. In comparison to how things would otherwise have been, the “stimulus” has been working in reverse over the past six months, causing the economy to shed jobs.



Again, this is the verdict of Obama’s own Council of Economic Advisors, which is about as much of a home-field ruling as anyone could ever ask for. In truth, it’s quite possible that by borrowing an amount greater than the regular defense budget or the annual cost of Medicare, and then spending it mostly on Democratic constituencies rather than in a manner genuinely designed to stimulate the economy, Obama’s “stimulus” has actually undermined the economy’s recovery — while leaving us (thus far) $666 billion deeper in debt.

The actual employment numbers from the administration’s own Bureau of Labor Statistics show that the unemployment rate was 7.3 percent when the “stimulus” was being debated. It has since risen to 9.1 percent. Meanwhile, the national debt at the end of 2008, when Obama was poised to take office, was $9.986 trillion (see Table S-9). It’s now $14.467 trillion — and counting.

All sides agree on these incriminating numbers — and now they also appear to agree on this important point: The economy would now be generating job growth at a faster rate if the Democrats hadn’t passed the “stimulus.”
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:29pm PT
Skipt.....Called Steeeerike three...you're OUT...!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:30pm PT
Dumb sh#t TGT...half of Obama's Stimulus was paid back. Please show a link for Bush's Stimulus and cost/payback.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
FACT: The largest deficit increases in the past 50 years came under Republican presidents Reagan and Bush.

Fact: The ONLY deficit SURPLUS came under Democrat Clinton.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:37pm PT
TGT...good article...Instead of bailing out all the too big to fail companies , the feds should have given each middle class American a 100 thousand...it would have gone back into the American economy right away with Americans able to pay for their mortgages and other consumer items..Instead , the banks and other mismanaged American companies got the big bucks most of whom have sat on the money watching as main street America circles the drain proving that the highly touted .Trickle down theory is a decroded piece of crap..!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:37pm PT
Basic spending lesson:

Under Bush and his fellow Republicans from 2000-2006, four TRILLION dollars was added to the National Debt directly of THEIR doing in NEW spending alone, in addition to adding another one TRILLION to the debt with the 2003 tax cuts, predominately to the wealthy.

Obama in NEW spending, apples to apples, has spent $800 billion, most of it going in direct aid to the States facing huge revenue shortfalls due to the Republican Recession.

Spending is one part of growing deficits, tax revenues lost due to tax cuts and the Recession is the other part.

You cannot pay off the debt with spending cuts alone, nor can you by raising taxes alone.

At some point in the future politicians on both sides have to agree to BOTH.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:51pm PT
John McCain: Wrong AGAIN

It’s safe to say Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) doesn’t have his finger on the pulse of public opinion.
"The American people do not want Republicans to compromise on their opposition to any form of tax increase as part of a deficit reduction deal being negotiated with Democrats, veteran Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said Sunday.

Really John?


Buried in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll is an interesting revelation: A large majority of Americans believe tax hikes should accompany spending cuts to slash the federal deficit.
Sixty-four percent of respondents said that deficit-cutting should comprise a combination of spending cuts and tax increases, while only 31 percent thought spending cuts should do the trick on their own.



Beautiful theories get beat up by gangs of brutal facts.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 4, 2011 - 03:56pm PT
Dumb sh#t TGT...half of Obama's Stimulus was paid back. Please show a link for Bush's Stimulus and cost/payback.

Got any more whoppers for us?

My grandchildren will still be paying for the Pellosi, Reid, BHO pillaging of the treasury.


The only response of the Obamites is,

WELL THEY DID IT TOO!!!!

Government needs to shrink!

We now live in Brokestan.

Only one party is facing up to that fact.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:26pm PT
BASE104 has it nailed - any sane fiscal policy must include some tax increases for middle, upper middle, and upper income earners. US taxes would still be well below those of other liberal democracies, but it would be step in the right direction.

Of course, you could also implement one or other variant of a single-payer health care system, as has worked well elsewhere, all much better than the 'system' in the US. That would save you 2 - 3% of GDP per year over time.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:30pm PT
The toughest gun control restrictions were signed into law by Republican Reagan.


The most relaxing of gun control law was signed by Democrat Obama one year ago when he permitted the carrying of concealed weapons into National Parks.

Not even Bush, along with Repub majorities in the House and Senate, could get THAT done.


Gun control and political party: ANOTHER MASSIVE LIE, just like "spending".
apogee

climber
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:32pm PT
Base, those are the two of the most lucid, balanced posts I've seen on this thread in a long time. Thanks for that.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:32pm PT
Medical Malpractice Tort Reform: from 2000-2006 with Republicans in control of the House, Senate, and Presidency, NOTHING WAS PASSED.

They had all the opportunity to pass Tort Reform, and could NOT do it.




Tort Reform: Another MASSIVE Political LIE, just like gun control and "spending"

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:40pm PT
STILL confused about which Party drives up the deficit?

Even after having it repeated, over and over and over?

Don't get it yet?

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:45pm PT
One thing the Obamites always distort on the deficit side is they cite who was president for a particular period and ignore who was running the house who by law are the only federal entity that can spend or tax.

Regan could never get his proposed budget past Tip O'Neil, who declared it "dead on arrival".

It took a government shut down to cram Gingrich's fiscally responsible budget down Clinton's throat.

The Republican house in the first GWB term was completely fiscally irresponsible and got kicked out when their own base rejected them and the RINO approach (paying attention Fattrad?)

Nancy and Harry figured out fast that Bush was a pussy when it came to the veto pen and continued to accelerate the plunder of the treasury. When BHO came along they started to collect what small change was left and pay off their true constituents, Unions.

We are now completely broke and the two options left are a return to the original premise of a limited and circumscribed Federal government and liberty, or the tyranny of the mob and special interests.


The Republicans are still controlled by the RINOS and their freinds, but there's a strong and growing constitutionalist/libertarian movement.

The Democrats on the other hand have been a collection of special interest freeloaders, and the home of the Jacobean mob since Andrew Jackson let them ransack the White House. There's no hope for any change there.




Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2011 - 04:49pm PT
I just cry for my grandchildren who will have to pay for all the debt that Reagan and Bush loaded on to them.

They will have to spend their entire lives crying and paying for Republican spending.

Let's see now, this Recession started in 2007, wasn't Bush into his seventh year as President then?

What part of irresponsible spending and throwing the country into Recession is hard to understand?

Duh
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