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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 27, 2010 - 11:58am PT
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They scrape all the good snow off the runs.
They chop up the slope with their sitzmarks everywhere.
They don't move forward in the lift lines.
They screw up all the jump landings.
They do not contribute to fine quality moguls at all.
To summarize, they are useless!!
I'm going to Alta where they are not allowed. They should be banned from all but their stupid terrain parks.
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Buju
Big Wall climber
the range of light
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Dec 27, 2010 - 12:03pm PT
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That might be my favorite rant of the year!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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You make 'em sound like sportclimbers.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Dec 27, 2010 - 12:26pm PT
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Sorry everybody, 1988 called and demands return of its snowboarder v. skier argument.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 27, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
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Rockjox, you are an idiot. I would love to see you in the skintrack someday so I could push you right out of it.
You and the other clowns attempting this argument should take a look at yourselves. I grew up in the greatest ski area in the USA and have never lived in a place that doesn't have world class skiing. In my 22 years as a skier, I've heard your bullshit observations spouted from all kinds of folks, and found one unifying factor: they are terrible skiers looking for a way to validate their lack of skill. They feel inadequate and snowboarders are an easy target.
FACT: You don't hear skilled skiers knocking snowboarders. That is all.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 27, 2010 - 01:13pm PT
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They really do f*#k up the moguls.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2010 - 01:15pm PT
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Rokjox, You are smart my Idaho brother.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 27, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
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Jaybro- People that don't know how to ski moguls f*#k up moguls. Not limited to snowboarders.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 27, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
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Those bastards!! I don't ski the bumps anymore anyhow. To hard on the body. Boarders do cut up the slopes badly but I think that is mostly due to their inexperience overall. Guys I ski with that board tear it up just fine and follow the fall line, thats the key to it all.
Got to get used to the boarders, they are in the majority pretty much anywhere you go nowadays. I usually only ski the pow, so its a battle royale to see who gets to it first.
Play the hand you are given, and RULE the fawkin mountain!
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Dec 27, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
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alpinerockfiend FTW
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Dec 27, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
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Next time you strap on a pair of fat pow skis- pay homage to the snowboarder.
Next time you drop a cliff and back slap the snow before popping up and saying "I Totally stomped it"- pay homage to the boarder that actually lands things.
Next time there's a bunch of unskilled noob boarders wrecking everything- grow a pair and spend your day on double and triple black terrain- the boarders there know what they are doing (at kirkwood anyway).
Next time you see a boarder lay down a deep effortless carve, tweek out a big method, spin 180 up a vertical pow drift, or wall ride a wind lip- try not to be too jealous.
However- when we are postholing to get to the top of the ridge and you skin by- feel free to laugh and point.
Finally- our chronic is far superior. :)
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Dec 27, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
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Hilarious film on AT above (Silver's link). I went through the same process myself, and still feel a little guilty when I'm ripping down the slopes on the AT bindings. But I would still sometimes take my tele skis for the big powder days at Wolf Creek pass.
But all in all, AT was the way to go at Wolf Creek. Easy to hike/skin up from the lifts to get to the good stuff.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 27, 2010 - 02:50pm PT
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Nice one snowhazed... but you won't find the folks ripping on snowboarders sending the goods. Their opinions are formed while hanging out in lame terrain with the rest of the wankers. No wonder they think all snowboarders suck.
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neversummer
Mountain climber
perris, cali
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Dec 27, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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why is it a see more skiers having yard sales then boarders on the slopes ?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
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Complaining about snowboarders at a resort is like complaining about sportclimbers at a climbing gym.
Go do some real skiing.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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Yeah Larry, 'cuz snowboarders definitely have no means of getting around in the backcountry...
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Justin DuBois
Trad climber
estes park co
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:15pm PT
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Ha! Teleskiers are more often the most feeble looking gapers on the hill. Rarely do you see someone doing it well, and I should know, I was one of those feeble gapers for over a decade. And yes, snowboarding saved skiing, no question about it!
BIg Skis
Big Sidecuts
Halfpipes
Terrain Parks
the list goes on....
now go make some turns on whatever it is you might ride!
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grover
climber
The Gar, BC.
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
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This argument is so 1987!!!!!!
Ahahahaahaha........
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
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it is all fun, as long as it is powder
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:29pm PT
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yeah, but then what would there be to bitch about?
LOL
This is too funny
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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Alpinefiend said
"Yeah Larry, 'cuz snowboarders definitely have no means of getting around in the backcountry... "
Really? 'cuz I've seen a few of them splitboarders out there. Nice folks and locker is right, They always pack the chron......Solar hits!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Dec 27, 2010 - 04:22pm PT
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LEB is a snowboarder
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Jim Wilcox
Boulder climber
Santa Barbara
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Dec 27, 2010 - 04:44pm PT
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During the Olympics the snowboarders were way more entertaining
than the skiers.
More fun-less drama.
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grover
climber
The Gar, BC.
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Dec 27, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
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treez just hold yer finger on the image for 3 seconds or so to save.
Sometimes it will give you options, other times it will save in your photos.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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Dec 27, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
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AT stands for "after telemark." Telemark is the ultimate suckah's game, twice the work for half the control. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But after 17 years of ever improving tele-turns, I'm once again Johhny Lockdown.
Thrashing and bashing and mining for sparks on Silverton's opening day I saw the 'boarders floating through the woods while the two plank contingent floundered.
Aren't we all just Brothers and Sisters of the Glisse fraternity?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 27, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
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Yeah the Larry, don't yuh just hate when the climbing gym is taken over by Sportclimbers? Bet they snowboard, too.
and, on the iPhone, just hold your finger there on the photo for a bit and it will ask if you want to pinch it.
The funniest thing I saw on this was when I lived in Vail (they were still doing the snowboard v Skier thing, back in the early otts)and at the end of the year at one of the Aspen areas they let boarders in the last day. a group of 'sliders'showed up wrapped in police crime scene tape. "Well we heard we were dangerous, and we didn't want anyone to get hurt..." they told the TV news.
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Blakeb
Gym climber
Southern Oregon, behind her
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Dec 27, 2010 - 06:01pm PT
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Rokjox you are so dumb, you are really dumb and spider you can eat my shit!
All gaper skiers or boarders are annoying, f*#k up the snow and get in the way, thats what happens when you dont know what you are doing, not specific to method of riding snow.
Also, skiers owe snowboarders a huge deal of credit for the progression of their skis. Be thankful you arent riding on long skinny straight skis anymore and shut the f*#k up!!
Oh, and of course we have the best chron..
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Dec 27, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
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This is a dumb argument. If you ski double blacks you wont ever have problems with snowboarders trashing your runs. Just put the time into becoming a better skier.
And if you ski mammoth, you know there are just as many punk skiers and punk snowboarders.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
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Ok. Rokjoks you said something nice about snowboarders in TWO posts. You're not my friend anymore.
Cosmic. YOu are my friend for life.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2010 - 06:40pm PT
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Okay. Your shot of the AviLab was extremely cool, well written and the photo is award winning in composure. :-)
Cosmic I'm in. I'll PM you.
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grover
climber
The Gar, BC.
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Dec 27, 2010 - 06:42pm PT
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Gays on trays.
Pricks on sticks.
What about mono-boards?
Must of been a closet snowboarder who thought
that one up.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Dec 27, 2010 - 06:45pm PT
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Rokjox you are so dumb, you are really dumb
Thats been well established on other threads
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 27, 2010 - 06:49pm PT
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I ski. But I ski with friends who are snowboarders. Some of them used to be masterful skiers, but went over to snowboarding. But eventually they have come back to skiing as skiing is more versatile and takes more skill overall. It really depends on what you do and the conditions as to what is best to ride. With the new snowboard technology transfered over to skiing, the new skis are sick. totally awesome, you can shred the fresh in any conditions on the new skiis as they float on top of the snow and you don't need the light fluffy stuff anymore to own it. If you tried downhill skiing back in the old days(anytime over 8 years ago) then you might want to try it again, as its gotten much easier and more forgiving.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
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I have new wide short skis and old narrow long ones.
Due to my extensive time on the old ones I prefer them. Fortunately they are abundant in thrift stores. What once cost over $1,000 you can easily pick up for about $10.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 27, 2010 - 07:28pm PT
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Awwwhhhh bullsh'it
Snowboarders are way homo.
Ever see a way homo snowboarder go over 120 mph.
Never
Homos ..... heh heh
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
Oakland
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Dec 27, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
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Bwaaaahhhaaaa!
Lift rider.
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Dec 27, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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I think its hilarious the way skiers walk. (like they got a 2’ wide dick up their a$$.) HEHE and slippin and sliding all over the place. Getting off the tram, stabbin people with one of their four utensils.
Hahaha you ever see those guys try and ride switch? :P looks like they’re aiming a 10’ c*#k in their a$$.
All this gay talk is making it seem that skiers…..are kinda gay.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 27, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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ski'in best for backcountry...lift ridin, boardin is way cooler...the skiers are tryin hard to keep up though....the fact that the ski industry has ripped off the snow board industry says it all...most skiers have tried boarding but could'nt handle the pressure...or they are afraid to try it at all....better cronic hands down...most skiers are drinkers....not smokers...
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klimski
Trad climber
Bridgeport,CA
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Dec 27, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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Up here in the mts we say flatlanders ruin everything. It doesn't make a difference what you slide on you still suck!
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Dec 27, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
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I love snowboarders . . . even though I will probably never be one! Free heel strictly for me. Locker has the best input to this thread thus far . . . read and listen to him, or else be stupid.
Get over the petty divisions and carve it up in your own fashion.
Happy Taco holidays folks!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 27, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
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Amen Klimski...sic the Bridgeport posse on those lame-ass tourons'...rj
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 27, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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Haha! You guys are funny.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 27, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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FACT: You don't hear skilled skiers knocking snowboarders. That is all.
Case in point. I suck on snow (except with axe and crampons). I mean really suck. When I go skiing every seven years, I take a class and then hit the bunny slopes. So I'm always on a lift with a bunny slope snowboarder.
Now, while I suck as a skier, I CAN get off the lift! I've got that wired. Bunny slope snowboarders CAN'T get off the lift. Always the same. We get to the top of the ride and get off, right away, the boarder has a hold of me cause he's about to eat it. One guy sent me flying into the lift shack at Wrightwood one day.
So I learned to be proactive. When I'm on a lift with a boarder, soon as we step off the lift, the boarder gets a quick elbow in the ribs and launched AWAY from me.
Unless she's cute.
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grover
climber
The Gar, BC.
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Dec 27, 2010 - 11:04pm PT
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Alright...... say one more bad thing about boarding and I'll jib the PHUCK outa yer power box so you can't diss us on the Taco anymore.:)
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Dec 27, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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I'm with sir lion - skis for the bc (unless I'm sno-mo riding i.e. not much walking involved)boarding for pow days at the resort. really it's all good, sliding is sliding . isn't this topic a little old?
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klimski
Trad climber
Bridgeport,CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 12:05am PT
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nice line!
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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Thanks! Those are our tracks up in there, heading back up for a second lap on a different feature. Late May 2010 believe it or not. Good spring up this way.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 01:04am PT
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When are you ever going to ski Bumps in th BC anyway?
Ohhh ya the Sherwins.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 01:10am PT
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I know this thread's a troll Jim, but some trolls just aren't worthy man. I can see the humor in poking fun at the wanker in neon pants sliding down the hill on his ass, but enough's enough!
And, as a matter of fact Jim, once the snow melts, I'm climbing (as I'm sure you are)! That's why I'm over here on supertopo to begin with! Sorry I get defensive, but many of my favorite backcountry partners are splitboarders. Glad you liked the pic, but no need to troll me about it. I'm sure you've got plenty of photos of yourself "shredding the gnar" or whatever you said. My point was that snowboarders get after it too. Do I detect some jealousy or projection in your post? Maybe.
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Lokesh
Mountain climber
Big Bear California
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Dec 28, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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It's starting to become a yearly ordeal.....the "Oh F##K" from behind you....the impact...
the tumble down the mountain pretzeled with the snowboarder....and then the accusations that it was my fault while I'm controlling that rare rage that only a day screwed by a snowboarder can bring.
This was my last encounter....I try to ski fast enough that I only have to deal with what is in front of me, but it was a crowded day and as I was weaving through the masses, that's when the "Fu##k", Bang and tumble happened.
I did my best "These are NOT the droids you are looking for" mind frack on "Jason" and got him to produce his license for my iphone while his buddy sat 30 feet away taunting me and calling me a pussy. It's funny how fast we can diagnose our own injuries...."you broke my f##king leg" were the first words out of my mouth....He cracked my fibula in the tumble....which I locked down in my ski boot and suffered with for the rest of the season. My back country partner didn't fare as well...he got clipped a month later, hit and run, and was sidelined with a tib/fib for the season. Along with my throbbing leg the next solid pain was in the square of my back where I was hit....I managed a smile as Jason and his buddy accused me of running into them!
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rich sims
Trad climber
co
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Dec 28, 2010 - 02:02am PT
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Bwaaaahhhaaaa!
MoGuLs
Are you kidding Powder steep and deep
We don’t need no stinking groomed s^%t
Oh you may only see powder in pictures where you live. Bwa aaahhh aaaa!
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 02:16am PT
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Actually skiing and snowboarding are both for pussys- snowlerblading is the only true sport
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 28, 2010 - 03:05am PT
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Man that sucks Lokesh. Just like surfing, you are really blind on your heelside. I try to avoid boarder's heelsides. My sis in law ruined a new surfboard when she was riding heelside and another girl was riding heelside straight into each other.
Thank goodness for snowboards. As mentioned: width, sidecuts, terrain parks, half pipes, etc. have been huge positive impacts. Many new people on the slopes which keeps the business going.
I think it's funny how snowboarders are required to wear baggy clothes in boardercross. It's supposed to be counter-culture, and they have RULES to keep it that way LOL.
I love snowboarding, but I still ski more. I had a snowboarder try to diss skiing by saying "snowboarding is all about style, skiers just try to go fast or do a lot of flips, but snowboarders have style" Like that made it superior. I just say "yes, skiing is more about substance than style.".
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:19am PT
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Rokjox you called all snowboarders chicken shits then fold when one calls you the same. Go climb some more boys you don't know. Locker is dead on it's skill not method. Those lame learners, well we all learned at one time and I've been a lame skier and a lame boarder before. Cosmic we got way better smoke so why are you still skiing?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:39am PT
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ski the backcountry and leave it all behind. i go to downhill areas once in awhile. i go to zoos once in awhile too. both seem to have a way of making me sad.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
yo mama
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:51am PT
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they are so bad they even changed the shape of your skiis!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2010 - 11:04am PT
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I love Disneyland! But this thread is about trashing snowboarders.
FACT: Snowboarders scrape the good snow off the the steep runs.
FACT: Skiers make artful moguls on steep runs.
FACT: Snowboarders are on their ass every single run.
I wouldn't be so bitter but I ski in SoCal where the conditions suk unless it has just snowed which it is going to do tonight.
Big dump tonight and tomorrow! On Thursday I shall be shredding on Baldy.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
yo mama
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:12am PT
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moguls suck so bad. why would you think its good skiing is beyond me.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:17am PT
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Snowboarders are lame but at least we're not socal skiers.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 28, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
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FACT: Snowboarders scrape the good snow off the the steep runs.
Yes, this happens if you are unfortunate enought to ski in socal with the socal boarders, many of whom suck.
FACT: Skiers make artful moguls on steep runs.
Moguls ARE fun. Just another great aspect to the sport. Luckily most snowboarders and gapers avoid moguls.
FACT: Snowboarders are on their ass every single run.
See #1 above. When the snow isn't boilerplate I try to not sit at all. You just stomp a platform to stand in. It's a pain to get back up. When the snow is hard it's tough to create a flat spot and you do end up sitting sometimes which sucks.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
Oakland
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Dec 28, 2010 - 02:13pm PT
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Splitboarders aren't snowboarders, imho, they are splitboarders.
Splitboarders have matured past the point where most snowboarders remain mired in some sort of weird pubescent angst. They might not act like this off the slopes, but give them a lift ticket and some steeze and it's on.
The industries sales pitch is this anti-establishment cliche and it works. Unfortunately it's transferred very efficiently from store to snow.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Dec 28, 2010 - 07:40pm PT
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^^Saw the previews for that one at the HP movie. It looks soooo bad...
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
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So this thread is alive and well still I see! Spidersavage, Rockjox, you guys are worthless windbags. Spider, maybe one day you can visit real mountains and form an opinion that actually means something. Until you see what real skiers and snowboarders do, your opinion means shit! Until then, good luck avoiding the brahs in socal!
Rockjox, if you actually get out and ski mountains (not meadows), you'll get left in the dust by a competent splitter soon enough. Not that it would be enough to deflate your ego, but it'd be fun to see the look on your stupid face.
Jim Brennan, I'll look you up if I'm lucky enough to get out that way this season. Hard to travel too far for skiing with the northern Greater Yellowstone as my backyard and the Tetons just a few hours south.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Kirkwood, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 08:38pm PT
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Zoom in bitches
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 28, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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i don't see the guy on the two planks? where?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 28, 2010 - 08:56pm PT
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Yep, Perfect snow up there......Falling even as I type. Perfect chronic, too. Hehehe.
Ah, well, if you'd rather be inside, peckin' away....to each his own.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 09:03pm PT
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put some pants on joxy...butch up and quit your cry babyin...you old queen you...
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 28, 2010 - 09:15pm PT
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So get your ass out there & stop bothering with your blather already.
Or are you too timid? ;-) Maybe you can't find yer pants. I dunno.
All I know is today was a GREAT day to ride snow. In whatever fashion you desire.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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useless old queer...wolf bait...
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Dec 28, 2010 - 09:22pm PT
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it's all frivolous
the sliding on the
snow.
rode the snowboard
fer a decade and
switched to free
heel for the last
one. never was a
locked down butt
wiggler but it
looks faster than
i've ever gone.
x-country looks
like the mtn. bike
version of skiing.
gonna have to
try that one next.
gettin' outside
in the hills is
what it's all
about!!!!!!
lift assisted
snow slippin'
is weak.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 09:43pm PT
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The only thing sadder than Rockjox's clueless blather is that so many others on this site seem to be equally ignorant. If not, speak up in defense!
I'm glad you've gotten out with a splitter rj. But times have changed since your buddy pulled his hackjob split out of his woodshop back in 1989. Believe it or not, manufacturers (and even a few talented individuals) have learned how to put two edges on the split skis since then! so they're just like a real pair of skis now!
And as far as managing rolling terrain, splitboarders have developed a unique solution: they take their skins off and ski, just like you do! Sidestep when necessary, put the skins back on, whatever it takes, just like you, BECAUSE THEY'RE SKIING!
Your pals that couldn't manage the traverse did it because they sucked or their gear sucked- factors which are not at all unique to splitboarding/snowboarding.
If you actually care about learning a thing or two about a sport you clearly no nothing about, check out www.splitboard.com.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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these people will require much more training to be able to ski with joxy....not even lindsey vonn can keep up with joxy..especially if wolves are chaseing him..
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BCD
Mountain climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
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They do not contribute to fine quality moguls at all.
Guilty.
I definitely ruined my share of 'fine quality moguls' back in my lift-riding days. You'll thank me when you get older.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
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so you wanna fight you say?/
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:12pm PT
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On my infrequent visits to downhill ski areas, I like to slowly snow plow over the moguls on the steep runs. It's safer, plus helps reduce the size of the moguls. And because I'm going slowly, everyone else has to slow down also.
OK, I'm kidding. But the part about the avi-poodle was (almost) true.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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Damn Walruses....
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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let's see, you throw your arms and legs over that cable and clamber to the next chair. go from chair to chair--you get rest breaks that way. you'll get to a tower in less than an hour. pretty much fourth class, as i figure it. downclimb the tower--they all have service rungs built into them. you're on the ground without broken ankles--just slide on yer butt down to the swim-up bar in the jacuzzi room--they tend to stay open late. don't mind the wolves--all they ever do is follow the grooming machines around 'cause they stir up mice.
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jewedlaw
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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F'in moguls. I smooth those babies out as often as I can
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
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I read a survey from Snowboarder Magazine that reported that 3 out of 4 Snowboarder respondants are admitted homos.
just sayin'.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
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I prefer to carve the mountain on my lunch tray..with unmatched style and grace...
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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old ass cry baby skiers suck the most...
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
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The all-pin-head fiend said:
The only thing sadder than Rockjox's clueless blather is that so many others on this site seem to be equally ignorant. If not, speak up in defense!
I'll speak up in defense.
You're an idiot.
This thread is a troll and you've been captured as the prisoner .....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:35pm PT
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Yet none of them are limited to laps on the 5.7 Sunnyside jam crack like you are bushbot.
Oh No!!!!!! Matt has relegated me to 5.7 routes in ze Valley? How can I prove my worth to such a worthy soul????
He obviously knows everything I've done there. Cause he's a genius....
Side-note; I've never done Jam-Crack (5.9). WTF? are you talking about? I could easily walk it though I'm sure. Too popular.
Maybe you're thinkning the 5.5 Regular Route that is a fav of mine....fun route.
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Chalk Martin
Mountain climber
CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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Splitboarders aren't snowboarders, imho, they are splitboarders.
he he
And if snowboarders ride Ghey trays do splitboarders ride Bi-trays?
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
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you crack me up joxy...you old geezer you...
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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Hey Rox, good to see something I said got through your thick skull! I don't care about your past buddy. I know this thread is a troll. I can read English. Doesn't mean it's a good one or that I find it funny.
Werner, I only get taken prisoner if I play the game. I tried to take a pointless troll to say something useful in defense of my friends, but should have known better. There's some great stuff on this site and there's a lot of sh#t. Oh well.
This thread has gotten vindictive and I'm sorry for my part in it. But ignorance sucks, even if it's about something as stupid as sliding down snow on pieces of wood.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:23pm PT
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captured by trolls..that's rough..
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:29pm PT
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You'll only beat me down if you can catch me fatty!
Don't worry, I've got plenty of great skiing right around me. No need to travel to your neck of the woods.
Sorry if I offended you. This thread has proven its worthlessness in my mind.
If you really care about learning my real name, it's out there. Look at my past posts. I signed it where/when it actually may have mattered, when the issues actually seemed important...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:33pm PT
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This thread is priceless!
...but the fact still remains that 75% of boarders are fags...Maybe Alpine is in the 25%.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:54pm PT
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WayHomo? Say it ain't so?!
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
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Yep, you and your magical 8 ball nailed it. I'm a fag.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:00am PT
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are you the man fag or girl fag..
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Kirkwood, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 02:45am PT
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 10:24am PT
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It's snowing super deep in the mountains. This is the best storm so far this year!
I'm letting the boss know I have "personal business" to take care of tomorrow.
Gotta get up there before the SNOWBOARDERS RUIN EVERYTHING!
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Kirkwood, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
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Not kirkwood.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 29, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
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Yep. We went & ruined everything. Might as well sell yer skis.
Maybe take up needlepoint.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 08:53pm PT
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That does it. I'm moving to Kirkwood!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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Don't be a pussy. Mow 'em down. Hahahahaha. There will be more. Get over it, planker. Want a good hit?
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:13pm PT
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come on joxy ..try to keep up alright...
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:24pm PT
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dude stealing draws at smith rock is a snowbaorder.
go figure, eh?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
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Gotta earn yer smokes......No free rides. We're a hard crowd.
It makes you strong. Or kills you. Either way is A-ok. With me, anyway.
Low blow, Joxy. No smoke fer you.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:30pm PT
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Too many incapable pussies, more like.
They're like lemmings.
Earn yer burns....
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 30, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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we'd of had your ass thrown in the slam with your hippie smoken monkey straw nonsense joxy...the loin has never i say never smoked pot??/,..,
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 30, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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All we're sayin' roxy, is you bring it upon yourself.
Think about that. In whatever setting.
Then act accordingly.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2010 - 12:47am PT
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I haven't heard of Bogus Basin for yeeaaarrs. Drivin to South Idaho from North Idaho was too far. We'd get down to Brundage all the time but South of McCall was Purgatory and South of the Tetons was Hell.
Healthy secession feelings up north. No leadership for it though so no problem. All would take is about 3 energetic politicians with nothing better to do.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Mar 24, 2011 - 07:10pm PT
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I just found this thread-- missed it while on vacation. It has some really funny stuff in it. An excellent troll thread! So Bump!
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Mar 24, 2011 - 09:12pm PT
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Was reading an article in Ski Area Management (magazine) the other day, that said there's a strong possibility Kirkwood will be purchased by the corporation that owns Alta.
The big news is the new owners plan to BAN SNOWBOARDING at Kirkwood. Reasons include much cheaper liability insurance and expectations of attracting a "higher quality clientele".
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Mar 24, 2011 - 11:41pm PT
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Kirkwood's problem is that the clients have to be willing to freeze their A$$s off on stuck lifts during the electrical outages.
Skied a bunch at Taos- It's sort of like KW in a way, great skiing, a little hard to get to, a little less glitzy. Taos finally gave up on the no snowboard thing. I think Alta can do it cause Snowbird is right there, and it's one of the best places going. These days most families (i.e., good $ for the areas) are likely to have one tray rider.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Mar 25, 2011 - 12:22am PT
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I think once Kirkwood does it, other resorts around Tahoe will see the light and ban snowboarding too. Seems like an upcoming trend.
Snowboarding is on its way out.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Mar 25, 2011 - 01:00am PT
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Is everyone who skis and snowboards in Tahoe a beginner noob?
Serious question.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Mar 25, 2011 - 01:13am PT
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Are they really noobs?
Or rather, are they local employees working the overnight shift for minimum wage, getting off at 700 am, doing a wake and bake at 800am, then jamming for the slopes by 9?
Most sloppy sliders I run into are simply too tired, too buzzed and too young to admit to either.
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Eggstele
Trad climber
Kings Beach, Lake Tahoe
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Mar 25, 2011 - 01:22am PT
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Snowboarding saved skiing! If not for snowboarding, skiers would still be flailing in powder on skinny skis and instead they are carving on top of the snow, experiencing the dream that snowboarders have known since day one.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Mar 25, 2011 - 02:03am PT
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"a 'higher quality clientele' "
aka whites only
bingo.
dont want the lexus/caddie crowd gettin jostled by all the valley kids in big 5 goggles and raiders gear.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2011 - 09:27pm PT
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It's that time of year again.
F-in boarders.
I'm going to Alta.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:32pm PT
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I hate snowboarders, but I really hate snowmobilers. what a bunch of [edit: kooky characters that I have trouble relating to, which possibly says more about me than them]
[edited so I don't have to come clean in 29 years that I posted a derogatory term for homosexuals on the Interweb]
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
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I remember skiing with my buddies long ago and talking about the snow boarders.
These guys skied world cup.
Bad ass dudes.
They're in Europe and just skied some sick chute and if you blow it you die type run.
Just then they look up and some snow boarder comes screaming down shredding like never before seen ......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:55pm PT
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OOOH This thread transports me back to 1989.
Highschool.. Me and my gang of hardcorp Chugach randonee shredders (the BC bro's).. oh the days of making fun of snowboarders hiking a whole 100ft up some hill.
But our special nemesis was Telemarkers. Why the hell would someone want to use gear that sucks to ski on? Soft leather boots, ski's that dove to the bottom and faceplants galore.
Nordic Neds and Nancys... Granolas and Gorp eating imposters.. ahh we had names for em all...
AT rules.. all else drools.
Gawd we were annoying little dicks LOL
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rich sims
Social climber
co
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:43am PT
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I think once Kirkwood does it, other resorts around Tahoe will see the light and ban snowboarding too. Seems like an upcoming trend.
Snowboarding is on its way out.
Right
It will be the resorts that will be on the way out, Alta is the exception.
I admit I held my daughters off from switching for a few years, till they were about twelve anyway.
But the first day riding the feeling that was missing , I had not even realized it was missing jumped out and took me back to surfing in the 60s / early 70s.
PS keep your moguls leave me the Pow Pow
RS
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 11, 2011 - 11:37am PT
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I have never even once had a skier get in the family photo that I am poseing and grab their crotch. I have had knuckle draggers do that numerous times. most are totally fine normal people but the super cool group that identifys themselfs as hard core boarders can be a bunch of meatheads.
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Dec 11, 2011 - 03:50pm PT
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Ride on t*r and klk......got to love boarders bringin' ghetto to the Arian slopes....(an old white guy appreciating the colors the boarders bring)
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briham89
Trad climber
los gatos. ca
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Dec 11, 2011 - 04:07pm PT
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Keep your damn moguls.... I'll keep carving big pow turns at kirkwood.
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VonPerry
Boulder climber
South Lake Tahoe, Ca
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Dec 11, 2011 - 06:06pm PT
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Dec 11, 2011 - 07:37pm PT
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Spider person, look at skis, modern skis, and then look at snowboards.
Modern skis owe much to the knuckle draggers. You're welcome.
Asshole.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Sorry dude. I don't run "modern" skis. Rossi's, 195s, circa 1979, $3.99 from the local thrift shop.
I shred the moguls and float through the trees.
Anyone still have some Olins? I long for my old Olin Vs.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Dec 11, 2011 - 09:36pm PT
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I'll leave the plankers to their bumps. I'll keep the 50 degree tree covered powder slopes for my Burton.
See you in the trees boys. Try to keep up, won't you?
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Dec 11, 2011 - 09:59pm PT
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here ya go, Spider. From the days of "180s are for old ladies!"
Plake cranking what were probably 223's:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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pell
Trad climber
South San Francisco
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Dec 12, 2011 - 08:49pm PT
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God bless Alta!
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Dec 12, 2011 - 08:52pm PT
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I just want it to freakin' snow so I can go ski-Eastern Sierra that is.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 12, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
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I appreciate you letting me know this is a troll.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
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In my OPINION...
in GENERAL...
"Snowboarders" are COOLER people all around...
LESS conservative and "Stuck up"...
JUST my OPINION...
I've never been knocked over in the lift line by a skier jumping the fence. But I have been knocked over a-la-Dominos-style by a snowboarder jumping the fence at the lift. The f*#ker didn't even apologize after knocking down 30-40 people.
I've never been knocked down by a skier on the runs, but I have been knocked down by snowboarders -- many, many times.
Your opinions are skewed and do not correlate with reality.
I think once Kirkwood does it, other resorts around Tahoe will see the light and ban snowboarding too. Seems like an upcoming trend.
Snowboarding is on its way out.
Oh, thank god.
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grover
climber
Dabville. Gnarlandia
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:16pm PT
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The f*#ker didn't even apologize after knocking down 30-40 people.
She must have been a biggin...huh?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
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DR F .. of course.. now that you guys got around to re-inventing Alpine gear you can shred with the best. Heavy plastic boots, Tight spring but technically "free heal" bindings with lateral stability. Mounted on FAT Alpine skis.
Still not seein the point though...
hehe
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 13, 2011 - 12:16am PT
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Better at recreational facial submersion. ;}
AT rules.. A light AT setup is at least as light as all but an actual 3pin true skinny setup.. which would be hard to call a tele setup these days.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 13, 2011 - 12:23am PT
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fair point.....
I can't believe this stuff actually mattered to me back in the day lol.
Life is an interesting experience.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Dec 13, 2011 - 12:34am PT
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She must have been a biggin...huh?
No.
Think "dominos".....
A Tele carve is the sweetest turn you will ever make
Let me correct that:
Linked parallel turns in free-heel bindings are the sweetest turns you will ever make
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Dec 13, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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Free your heels and your mind will follow! Tele does rule, been ever so happy to cease the whole locked down alpine skis. Lighter gear, comfortable boots and yeah, it is superior to all!!!!
The turns are bliss and yes, you can parallel too....
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Dec 13, 2011 - 01:11am PT
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Plenty of skiers are as#@&%es. I just get out of the way. I'm not reading your disdain.
Be a snob if you like.
Asshole. I ride snow, in various fashions. All haters suck. Adapt or die.
Either would be fine.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Dec 13, 2011 - 01:15am PT
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did somebody ever hear of the think of what might happen tomorrow if the sun exploded?
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Dec 13, 2011 - 08:56am PT
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Could you repeat that in English, doc?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2011 - 09:29am PT
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Funny you should ask, "What would happen if the sun exploded?"
Synopsis
Extreme Snowboard Riders of the Apocalypse
Earth has plunged into another ice age due to extreme solar magnetic radiation. Continents have collided into massive mountain ranges. The last surviving humans and animals have been transformed into mutant freaks struggling to survive. Gangs of heavily armed snowboarders, battle carnivorous apes, giant polar bears and angry wooly mammoths in a struggle for day to day survival. Competition for food and shelter is fierce against rival gangs of alpine skiing amazons who show no mercy and greedy high-tech android transformer snowboarders who can tune their personal music systems into deadly sound-wave death rays. A strange alien race has occupied earth putting up tens of thousands of high-speed quad chair lifts linking endless miles of runs and trails, all carefully groomed for death. Against this backdrop of a Frank Frazetta painting world gone mad, four young men have discovered a secret that will change everything. Can they survive the long ride lies before them? Who are the strange and ancient mystics who ski both down AND up hill known as the Telimen. Will they help or does their way lead to certain death? Can they make it past the apparent warmth and safety of the lodges where sweet sirens sing, serve wine, chili burgers, and offer to erase all cares with magical smoking weed? Yet these places are filled beyond capacity with filthy lurching posers who can no longer ride or even make their way to lifts. This shocking thriller will amaze you with every scene. You won’t be able to look away. Will they survive to save mankind or plunge to an icy death as a massive avalanche erases them forever while the world is pummeled to a pockmarked mud-ball by a devastating rain of meteors and rocked into rubble by successive solar shock waves bringing down a curtain of deadly aurora to fry the brains of the last few survivors of our pathetic race!?!
Coming Soon!
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Dec 13, 2011 - 09:54am PT
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Our local ski hill had great tree skiing until it became Sierra Skid Ranch.
Don't get me wrong, I love watching a skilled rider head down the fall line but good god so many turn side ways and descend like a Cal Trans snow plow, that's my only beef. Well that and the fact a lot of riders at the Skid Ranch are out of control given the high volume of beginners/intermediates hence the lack of a turn.
One thing I noticed as snowboarding gained popularity is a lot of boarders weren't afraid to hike! I almost never saw a bondage board skier on top of a mountain so I could totally appreciate the new passion (I really appreciate it if they don't have a split board and stay off the skin track).
Enough ragging, my best days are in the backcountry and there's plenty of room, besides let's face it skiers why didn't we invent fat?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 13, 2011 - 10:30am PT
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i knew it--chris is a closet screenwriter and he's been trolling in some lunker material with this thread.
let's get serious here. i'm a not-quite-powderwhore-material tele guy who has actually tried snowboarding three (3)--count 'em, three--times. luckily, i didn't break any bones. a buddy of mine, skied all his life, also tried it three times and broke two bones. it does require skill. don't rag on these people.
but why does it have so much youth appeal? here's my theory. on a snowboard, once you manage to stay off your duff, you automatically look cool. snowboarding is about how you look. skiing is about what you do. that's it. the kids swallow it hook, line and sinker.
Who are the strange and ancient mystics who ski both down AND up hill known as the Telimen.
love it! boffo!
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Dec 13, 2011 - 12:24pm PT
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Ain't no snowboarders here...
Virginia Lake!
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Dec 13, 2011 - 02:21pm PT
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The other day my kids were asking me about boarders not being allowed at resorts back in the day i.e. 80's and early 90's. At the time it made sense to me. Now I look back and consider it elitist snobbery. There are plenty of idiots on the slopes, both boarders and skiers. Such is life.
My kids started out with boards and skis, but dedided to ditch their board and stick with skis.
It's all good.
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g-tech
Trad climber
Oakland!
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Dec 13, 2011 - 02:48pm PT
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Ive never been on a pair of ski's, mostly cause it looks soooooo gay. I do however enjoy riding with good skiers, they can actually keep up with me in the trees. Face it, beginners suck and are dangerous, no matter what they are on.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Dec 13, 2011 - 11:48pm PT
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Always thought of snowboarding as more of an urban thing and skiing as a mountain thing until I saw this:
http://vimeo.com/sherpas/jpstreet
Now I'm just happily confused ;^)
BTW g-tech, you think this guy "could keep up with you in the trees"?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Dec 14, 2011 - 01:35am PT
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Spider still rides skinny skiis!!! We laugh at people like you here in Whistler dude! If you were riding pow all the time you wouldn't say that.
I grew up skiing and got sick of jumping around like a goddamn bunny rabbit all day! The boarders would glide right by effortlessly floating on the snow while we would sink all day. That might be all good in climates where the snow is nice and light but here on the "wet coast" you need to float!
But your right snowboarding does suck....
http://vimeo.com/31572650
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 08:50am PT
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skinny skis work just fine if conditions are right. i posted this recently on a short-lived thread, but it bears repeating here. those are truckers--remember them?--and they turned amazingly on this bit of nonsense: a half mile of snow on a north rib of baldy one june 22nd. i kid you not.
we don't do powder in southern california. you have to understand that, all you whores out there. it shows up every 5 years or so and requires such a re-learning curve that we develop a distaste for it. the best for us is great corn. yes, turns to suncups. but then the suncups and runnels flatten and you get that rare and lovely stuff you can ski with truckers.
my default boards these days are relatively short, midfat world pistes, just fine for turning couloirs like this one near lone pine:
but forget about it for deep pow. i spent an exhausting day at mammoth last winter doing punta bardini. the stuff musta been 10 feet deep, and every time i hit a turn it seemed like drowning. my local partner had big, fat, long boards--another investment i don't need to make right now. he's lived there 10 years and is a powder ace, but he had an avvy episode two weeks previous he would just as soon have done without. spring corn is reliably skiable and safe. get into it.
and for the heck of it, if you know the san gabriels, an unbelievable adventure:
http://www.sierradescents.com/skiing/iron-mountain/couloir-to-nowhere.html
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fivesix
Trad climber
hope, alaska
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Dec 14, 2011 - 09:58am PT
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I like to catch the first tram everyday. Usually i'll go on resort binges for about 2 weeks straight. Its nice during the week when its mainly boarders. Everyone enjoying their music, not talking politics, quietly nodding to themselves. Theres a pleasant vibe thats shared by everyone in the tram - trammies included. But on the weekends, the skiers roll in, wont shut up, push and shove like children to get to the tram, push and shove like idiots to get out first like the snow is going to go somewhere. I see how the resorts are durring the week when the "barely out of towner" skiers aren't around and I see how they are when they are. Maybe its more spiritual and fun for us boarders since we don't view it as "I'm going to do exactly 72 turns on each edge, sit down for an americano and a danish and read the wall street journal, mutter some trash about democrats to myself, then its a warm glass of milk and lights out by 8:30". Damn plankers. You kill the vibe, you're horrible enough people that you telemark because you're too lazy to earn your powder but too dumb enough to buy a snowmachine if you want multiple runs. you're so stuck on tradition that you cant think freely enough to enjoy new things, moguls are retarded and died out with mullets (theres a reason mullets havent come back). shitty skiers wreck the snow as bad as shitty boarders (yet you refuse to drop the debate). you cant shut up while on the mountain and enjoy being away from work. the only enjoyable side of skiing is the freestyle and its following boarding now (in fashion aspects, too). When you're too puss to ride down the mountain you decide to take up the whole thing with gigantic carves (i'd rather ride ice behind leafer snowboarders). You should see yourselves on the mountain; it looks like you're doing aerobics at gunpoint instead of having fun. Every person I've ever met that i thought had some type of mental disorder at first impression turned out to be a skier. theres just something....not right or all there. Enjoy your planks and fruit boots. No one else does.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
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nice film, murzerker. brings to mind a couple of quotes:
"you fill up my senses, like the mountains in springtime" (john denver)
"i saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it" (bob dylan)
when i'm out doing this in the springtime around here, i'm usually the only fool on the trail with skis. i encounter hordes of koreans, the hikingest people in los angeles, and have to explain myself:
what are you doing with skis?
going skiing.
where? all the snow is gone.
there's still some there. you have to know where it is. i hike to the top, and then ski down.
why do you do that?
it's fun, and good exercise. you guys like to hike, don't you?
(takes awhile, then it registers) yea--oh, yea!
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Dec 14, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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My favorite line from a skiing movie:
"I got two ice axes... One for climbing couloirs... One for hitting snow boarders..."
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Dec 14, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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Being a life long bunny sloper I can tell you that it sucks riding the lift with snowboard beginners. Even twice a decade skiers like me can get off the lift without a problem. Unless there's a novice boarder on the same chair with you.
They come off the chair and are totally out of control. Their first instinct is to grab you. They lurch into you, flailing away before they land on their ass, usually taking out a few people with them. I finally learned that when getting off the lift, the best move is to give the boarder an elbow shot to the ribs right away, that sends them flying off out of your way.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 14, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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on a snowboard, once you manage to stay off your duff, you automatically look cool. snowboarding is about how you look. skiing is about what you do. that's it.
Ive never been on a pair of ski's, mostly cause it looks soooooo gay.
Some definite truth there. Snowboarders often say it's all about "style". I guess that makes skiing about....
Substance
This year I'll probably do about 1/2 and 1/2. When I go out with my bros and charge I ski. When I got out with the family I'll ride. Both are very fun and 98% the same.
I still prefer skis slightly though because: snowboarding is a pain, it sucks to traverse, you can't skate to get around, you have to buckle in and out, it feels less natural, its feels kind of confining, you can't just stop and stand and relax without stomping out a flat spot, because your legs are locked together it's a bit more dangerous if you fall in a tree well or upside down in powder or trying to fall safely or avoid an obstacle. Also for objective performance skis are usually better: in a race course, the number of flips or spins you can do, the distance you can jump. Snowboarding is nice because it's more relaxed than skiing, carving turns is pretty effortless, they float in crappy conditions, the boots are much better for hiking in, they are good for super steep mountaineering stuff where you can slide an edge and hold an ice axe.
I notice I like different music depending on what I'm doing. For snowboarding I like it a little more mellow/relaxed like Bob Marley, for skiing I like it more attacking like Zeppelin.
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Dec 14, 2011 - 02:14pm PT
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we need pony pictures in here
or boarders ruining things
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Dec 14, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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trying to give skiers their space
boarders are polite and lets skiers get first tracks...and punch in the track.;)
love a good troll
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
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interesting that in that movie about "the blaze," the only snowboarder in the bunch had to hurry back to his job in bozeman, couldn't wait the extra hour for the snow to soften up, making for bad turns and probably a sore butt to crown his two days of effort.
i sell a bumpersticker which reads: really important people are never in a hurry.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Dec 14, 2011 - 04:28pm PT
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Not a skinny skier for miles....
Snowboarder:Kyle
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 04:39pm PT
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I think I posted this last year in this thread, but oh well.
Anyone who bitches about snowboarders is not a high level skier. If you skied at a high level, you would ski with snowboarders who ride at a similarly high level and have no beef. It's a frigging fact.
If your old you may dislike snowboarders because their sidewards means of motion may confuse you.
Shitty snow sliders are just that. It applies to skiers and riders alike. They are a pain in the ass, but there is no distinction between a shity skier and a shitty snowboarder.
Put on your big boy pants and ride lines that exclude shitty riders of all types.
And I'm a skier.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 14, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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We trundled a snowboarder down this to check stability...Safety First!!
The Telemarker couldn't make it across the cable crossing on the river.
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
the Bozone
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Dec 14, 2011 - 06:49pm PT
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Another snowboarder ruining everything. Trying to slay this thread with images is a good plan. P. Lawrence photo of myself.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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Steamboat, 1997.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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Steamboat, 1996.
Edit; Note the snowboarder in the picture. My regular riding partner Ron.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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Snow boarders are lame....
But they ARE entitled to the same snow. They just ruin all the runs.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 14, 2011 - 10:15pm PT
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 15, 2011 - 09:14am PT
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now that might have legs--
"better than an avapoo--the token boarder. don't leave for the backcountry without one!"
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Dec 15, 2011 - 09:18am PT
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...But they ARE entitled to the same snow...
No, they are NOT!
The coolest thing I ever saw... A guy on a snowmobile chasing a snow boarder who was poaching a closed run... I think it was at Squaw... They were both zigging and zagging down the slope in a desperate engagement, like a cheeta chasing a gazelle, in scissoring S-turns... Finally the guy on the snowmobile caught up to and RAN OVER THE SNOW BOARDER right under the lift!
It was awesome.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
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Sounds like, despite a slow start to the season, Kirkwood is still working out the details to BAN SNOWBOARDING.
According to unofficial rumors, there's a deal in the making to offer current snowboarding passholders "replacement passes" at both Northstar and Boreal.
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~kief~
Trad climber
nor-cal
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Jan 25, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
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THEY'VE BROUGHT WOMEN TO SKI TOWNS.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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Was just reading that Kirkwood will be acquired by Vail. I guess the Alta deal fell through.
Am curious how the plan to BAN SNOWBOARDING will play out now - Kirkwood has been relatively low key on this lately.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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bump--'tis the season.
how's that script coming, spider?
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weezy
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
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i think what this thread proves is that skiers are much better at being whiny little crybabies than snowboarders.
skiers never seem to bitch about me breaking trail for them in 2' of fresh. of course, i never bitch about having to wait for them at the top. it's funny watching them flail around on their little skinny sticks trying to get a skintrack in. i guess i'd feel a little inadequate, too. especially when their gf is checking my steez and generally wondering why she is hanging out with some flailing skier kook wearing a nords face fagbag. maybe the indignant butthurt is justified?
see ya at the bottom, skqueers. tell your gf to quit calling me...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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Weezy
You seem to be a good candidate for my BC posse. As our official snowboard member you will have special privileges. You will always get first tracks. We promise to do our best to dig you out as needed. (a good slope tester is valuable). However if you fail to tumble suspect slopes properly we will have to find a replacement. Floating highspeed turns is not considered sufficient stability testing.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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^lol!!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 19, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
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Thanks for the bump Tony.
Heading to Alta for a little skxiing later on.
Had a great day in the powder and manzanita on slide peak at Snow Valley a couple weeks ago.
Think Snow!
Looking forward to a Pinos trip coming soon. Almost caught up at work.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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God bless Alta, keep all the elitist punters in one place.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
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Snow boarding saved the ski industry.... period
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
True dat!! Sidecut! How revolutionary!! Funny, you see ancient Norwegian skis with sidecut, but they just didn't get it!!! Naw. Keep making em' straight. Better for moguls that way! ;)
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weezy
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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climbski2, i'm a Level 3 Certified cornice chopper. i just let my knuckles drag across the top of the feature and cut it loose.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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^ yer in!
Saved??
Been around a thousand years or more..not too worried..still be around if people are in another 1000 years.
I was mentally designing big fat sidecut boards in 89. Just made sense if you thought about it when using 223s in the BC. I made an insert for regular bindings by cutting a ski with ramers mounted to it and bolting them to a ski boot bottom. Go heavy or go home lol.
Stability, speed, float and turning. If those were your goals it was obvious what to do.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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He said industry. Not skiing.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
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Saved for what? $100 lift tickets $2500 setups? High capacity lifts with 30 minute tracked up Pow?
Shoulda let it die
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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Yup. Trendy people who go one or two days a year just to say they did.
You're so right.
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weezy
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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moosedrool, i don't let skiers drag me around on their boring, meandering tours. flailing around in low angle trees and meadows, no thanks.
and i never walk at the resort, especially one as non-flat as k-wood. years of riding at Brighton taught me that trick. keep your base waxed, pick a fall-line and keep your speed up. can't just dick around wondering where to go like you can on skis.
goddammit i want some snow. this month-long high pressure bullshit is making me grumpy.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 19, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
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Ditto. Although, climbing has been good!
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weezy
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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monoboarders = aid climbers
snowlerbladers = boulderers
and look at this yahoo with his "cheater stick"...
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Jan 19, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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You bought a pass at a resort.
Then complain that here are snowboarders.
Don't go to the ski resort.
There are lots of places to ski where there are no snowboarders.
Stop whinning. Grow a pair.
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weezy
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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that pole vault ski pole actually looks pretty fun. i'm going to bring one when they open Alta to snowboarders and just use it to whack all the skiers upside the head as i sideslip down the hill scraping off all the good snow and shaving down the bumps. bang my board in the lift line and spray loudly about how "gay" Alta is, using the c-word in every sentence. then i'll upper-deck at least two toilets on the mountain, do a high speed groomer run through the families on Home Run, leave and never give em another cent.
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Jan 19, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
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Didn't see any slack jawed troglodite
knuckle draggers in that Clouds Rest post.
You should check that out.
is that pole manufactured for skiing?
or is that a tele SUP?
"Free the heel free the mind"
"fix the heel fix the problem"
Why does anyone care what other people do on the snow.
Can you just do what you like without comparing it to what others are doing?
Hey do it all.
WTF
Even dudes in "fringe sports" feel the need to "belong".
How lame.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 19, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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Trolls are funny. Even if you put it in the title people still get offended! ;)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 20, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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The average number of days that snowboarders — usually a more hard-core bunch than skiers — hit the slopes also has seen a “sharp drop” from 7.6 days a year at its height 15 years ago, to 6.1 today, Mr. Fristoe wrote. Meanwhile the average number of days that skiers went to the mountains has remained consistent at about 5.5 days for several years.
Good!!! Maybe snowboarding can be cool again! 8 days a year? How can you even call yourself a snowboarder!!!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jan 20, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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I've spent enough time on both to say that skiing puts you in a more athletic and aggressive position. Modern gear has eliminated any advantage snowboarding ever had.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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WHY do they have to sit down in a crowd RIGHT at the beginning of the life line so you can't ski into the cattle lines?
Who would pay to stand in line anyway? There ain't no cattle in the backcountry and the snow is untracked every day!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 20, 2013 - 08:46am PT
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I'm not convinced that ANYTHING really matters.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jan 20, 2013 - 10:08am PT
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A snowboard is a toy.
A split board and skis are mountain tools.
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weezy
climber
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Jan 20, 2013 - 10:43am PT
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saucerboy laughs at all you're petty sqwabbling
(RIP shane)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oh I got it now, it's an ice axe.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2016 - 10:23pm PT
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Short fingered, knuckle dragging, ice scraping, saggy pants, nuisances.
Ted Cruz will light them up when he is elected president of this great land. Have you ever see half-pipes glow in the dark? We're going to find out.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
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Mar 10, 2016 - 10:59pm PT
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They saved the ski industry as well as woke up the ski engineers... The big picture is Snowboarding kept 40-50% of your mountains open and recharged the retail industry. Amazing that the number one watched sport in the olympics is the half pipe... Go figure
Aloha and be well
RG
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Mar 10, 2016 - 11:01pm PT
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My main issue with snowboarders is when I have to standby and watch, or heaven forbid help, as one of my knuckle-dragging friends attempts to get into a steep couloir heelside. That situation always makes me uncomfortable.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 11, 2016 - 05:46am PT
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The big picture is Snowboarding kept 40-50% of your mountains open
Really? Mountains have doors?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Mar 11, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
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Whaddyacallit if someone had one snowboard per foot?
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TLP
climber
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Mar 15, 2016 - 10:36am PT
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At least this one knows he's a horse's @ss ;-)
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
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Forget the presidential race. Here is the real controversy.
According to Faux News President Trump is an accomplished skier and will soon issue an executive order banning snowboarders.
I saw a graph the other day that showed a big surge in young kids taking up snowboarding during the Obama Administration.
Make America ski again!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2019 - 11:34am PT
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Back to this again. I was ready to to live and let live, bygones by bygones.
Then last night I was swinging turns down a moderate slope and some punk Eurp torpedoed me like an interceptor missle. He was kind enough and appologetic aferwards. Seemed shocked that I was not seriously injured.
Common sense dictates you ski/ride in control and don't clobber others.
Incident reforces my disdain. That plus the fukking sitzmarks all over the good slopes and the apparent inability to just move forward in the lift lines.
Skiing was so much better before snowboarders.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Skiing was so much better before snowboarders.
Yup. Almost everyone I know, including several snowboarders, has been hit by other snowboarders either out of control or not checking their backside. I've been hit twice, and the 2nd time the boarder's buddy threatened to beat me up when I wanted some ID from him as he was leaving the scene (and I thought my shoulder might be dislocated). I do know of out of control skiers hitting people, but its less common.
The best solution is to avoid the resort and ski the bc.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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some punk Euro
Freakin' Euros
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Wow, this thread is a total tool shed.
I've been hit before, some sh!t just comes with the turf.
However, when I read this thread I was hit again by the 1st World WhineFest of the year so far. Maybe if you actually learned how to ski you wouldn't need groomers or lifts or god forbid...negotiating a sit mark on a run?!?! you gotta be kidding me?
I'll bet y'all have n* of ways to get yer panties knotted eh?!
Fortunately our local hill grooms the bare minimum forcing the ninnies to drive 2+ hrs in the winter so they can 'ski' followed by dipping their pizza in ranch.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Hey, we wouldn't run into you annoying skiers if you ever looked left or right as you randomly turn all over the run.
Have you ever tried to pass a skier? It's like they intentionally take up the whole run and won't let you pass, but I don't know how it's intentional because I've never seen one look left or right before they turn.
May as well try to decipher a pattern in a random number generator.
Also, moguls are the worst :)
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briham89
Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
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Seems like I should take up skiing and missile into people.... why do you think he / she hit you? Because they were on a snowboard or because they were learning?
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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There's an interesting paper at https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-52755-0_2
New Zealand Snow Sports Injury Trends Over Five Winter Seasons 2010–2014.
Falls accounted for 74.3% of incident types with no difference between skiers and snowboarders; collisions 9.6%—snowboarders were more commonly injured in collisions than skiers 34 vs. 58% (8% tubing or other activity)
I used to pro ski patrol before snowboarding was common and ski collisions were quite rare, in my experience. I'd be curious to see stats on how resort injuries have changed with the advent of snow boarding.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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One of them is, the person in front of you is never at fault. True. The same rule also applies to cars on the freeway, but if someone is going 35 and swerving randomly across all 4 lanes without checking their blind spot it's kind of annoying.
Just to clarify, I've never ran into a skier but I can see how someone trying to be respectful and stay away can still find themselves in a collision by complete surprise.
Also, moguls are the worst.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Never been hit on the slope, but I ski top to bottom in one go and no one ever passes me. ;-)
I ski and snowboard so I have a balanced perspective. It's like after riding a motorcycle on the road, you know what it's like and when you go back to driving a car you are better at looking out for them. e.g. I know a snowboarder on a heelside turn is blind and give them a wide berth.
I really never had been hit by a skier or snowboarder, but again like riding a motorcycle on the road I'm always on the lookout for someone about to do something stupid, 360 degree awareness. I tend to ski right on the edge of runs because trees don't move, but most people don't want to ski/ride that close to something.
I have seen a couple snowboards come flying down the hill with no rider. One made it all the way to the parking lot and took out the headlight of the car next to me. The rider grabbed his board and took off without leaving a note. But we are still at the point where a snowboarder is typically younger than a skier and teenage punks are the worst. But in a couple decades it will probably be all the same age ranges.
Moguls rule. That was my favorite discipline BITD, but now half pipe is my favorite (the best thing snowboarding did for skiing, #2 is all the other terrain park features) and my knee is going.
Really the biggest difference is that it sucks to get around on a snowboard. On flats, traverses, riding lifts, slight uphills, etc. On skis you can skate and don't have to unbuckle and rebuckle and post hole. Way more convenient. Of course AT/tele with skins is even better for getting around.
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Let’s remember that this thread is just a troll. But I’ll join the fun.
I skied for twenty years, learning as a kid at Big Bear on a rope tow that spun like a fan belt. I’ll never forget the first couple of times I gripped the rope too tight, shoulders almost pulled out of the sockets and shooting uphill on my back while my skiis released and and my jeans got even wetter and colder. I improved a lot when I moved to Colorado, and had tons of fun, becoming a proficient, if not a great skier.
My kids started snow sports in the 80s and 90s, and we gave them snowboard lessons at the nearby hills, since the sport was new and cool. One day the west wind was blowing hard and the wind-chill was about negative 30. My son refused to take his lesson, so not wanting to waste the money, I took his place. Once I linked turns, I was hooked. For me, the movement was superior to skiing: more fluid and smooth, and on a powder day there was the sinuous sensation of becoming water flowing down the nooks and crannies of the mountainside.
I never skied again.
I ride a long, wide board in powder, but looking at my friends as we ride the lifts, it seems that two of the newer powder skis put together now approximate the width of my board. I suspect that this allows skiers to come close to the surfy feel in soft snow that snowboarders live for, but I’ll never know. I would rather have a colonoscopy than put my toes--made sensitive from years in murderously tight EBS-- into those monstrous, plastic torture machines again.
Heading out in a couple of weeks for our annual snowboarding trip with my grown-up kids.
Rage on skiers!
Perhaps in another lifetime you will come to understand what you’re missing.
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