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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
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It's okay Pilgrims! you can come in here. I protect you from Tony. We'll have fun here for a bit. Thanks Tony Bird. Let's put up Callas in the same aria and have a comparison; after all we are arguing for the existence of God, aren't we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuEmJZzuG9U&NR=1
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2010 - 08:13pm PT
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i was hoping to clear up this question. now we're looking at polytheism.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 08:16pm PT
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All the really primitive cultures---like ours here---began with polytheism, TB.
We can expect improvement eventually from here on out, though. And even at some point, electing The One True Diva. I know you want Bev Sills, and I sure understand why. But we need to have yet another Tribal Council to do it.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Nov 18, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
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What is Catholicism again?
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scuffy b
climber
Three feet higher
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Nov 18, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
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If there's a proof of God, what is the use of Faith?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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Good one Scuffy. Some just like leaping, you see. And I know you hate dynamic moves, Scuff, I do! I agree; in his heart of hearts, the believer wants in fact to be "unreal" and exert his selfhood upon the world solipsistically. That's the gist of it. It is a kind of ornate highly decorative irrationalism. Pilgrims, Scuffy is really good, you know. HIs only regret in life is he came to late to have invented oblique heel-and-toe.
Along these lines, I always thought that tornadoes were proof that God needed aluminum siding, myself.
Now back to the real business at hand. Tony posits that the mere existence of Bev Sills proves there is a supreme being--- that grace is therefore infinite and thus devine as embodied by her. However he ran into a little snag because he left out a whole bunch of other divas and now has the problem of polytheism 'n stuff in the main sex drive. Such divas as Maria Callas and her ilk and now he has to answer for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCSdz2hM_o4
Now I am ready for Tami to chime in here.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 09:32pm PT
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V. Fun Gobee. 'Tis the season, isn't it!
The hymns are even more fun if you play all of them at once except the "Yesterday" one--- that has to be by itself 'cuz it ruins the orthodoxy of the other five. I just did this on my giant monitor and it was a recommended experience. Real Vox Humana, I tell 'ya.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2010 - 09:49pm PT
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i dunno, peter--other divas, other arias. once you've gotten alpha and omega together you don't have to go shopping any more. solipsism is no longer an issue.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
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As an aside Pilgrims, through the many years, this is what has been known as "farcing". Warren was real big into farcing, for example and insisted that Roger Derryberry erect a temple to farcing with Warren's memorabilia . Which is exactly what Roger did after Warren passed on. It's on the Eastside at Roger's house. Others have carried it along through time too. The east coast crowd was tremendous at it; the Vulgarians were only one of a number of groups that held a candle for "farcissimus".
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2010 - 09:14am PT
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i saw the semper farcissimus memorial at mill creek last summer. tried searching it for a link here and came up with this, which is better:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1071324&tn=0&mr=0
park rat lists warren harding's favorite songs at the end of her anecdote. not an aria in the lot. i don't think warren understood opera. probably sang them all to himself. no matter, he understood one aspect of theology which escapes gobee entirely and a lot of others as well. god has a sense of humor, and most of the universe is a joke.
that might explain to huffcuss where all the antimatter went during the big bang. at the very least it will suggest to stephen hawking, if he can ever get over the fact that he was appointed lucasian professor, why gravity is a "given", and perhaps he'll stop trying to make a "taken" out of it. and, who knows, it might lead ed hartouni to give up wasting our tax dollars on plasmic fusion and doctor up something really useful like an anti-gravity belt. 5.14, here i come.
gobee, "yesterday" used to be the most overplayed song in the known universe, BITD when i used to go to piano bars and listen to the radio. perhaps that's all changed with the karaoke movement, but i still think it's the work of the devil.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 19, 2010 - 11:05am PT
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Have at it Ding. Not sure if she was buried or cremated already. Tony only has three nails I think also.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 19, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
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Brazilian women are all the proof I need.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
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i had it at 5:14. three seconds are important on a thread which deals with divinity.
fat lady? is there a fat lady?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2010 - 05:47pm PT
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i just hope if rrradam shows up peter will protect me from him. rrradam says all the hydrogen turned to helium within the first three seconds, and i think he's wrong.
the important thing to remember is that it took the universe more than 13 billion years to produce beverly sills.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Nov 19, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
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Pantheism is where it's at!
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning ‘all’ and θεός (theos) meaning ‘God’. As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that “God” is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
Polytheism is the belief of multiple deities also usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own mythologies and rituals.
Polytheism was the typical form of religion during the Bronze Age and Iron Age, up to the Axis age and the gradual development of monotheism or pantheism, and atheism. It is well documented in historical religions of Classical Antiquity, especially Greek polytheism and Roman polytheism, and after the decline of classical polytheism in tribal religions such as Germanic polytheism or Slavic polytheism. It persists into the modern period in traditions such as Hinduism, Shintoism, Chinese folk religion, etc., and it has been revived in currents of Neopaganism in the post-Christian West.
Polytheism is a type of theism. Within theism, it contrasts with monotheism, the belief in a singular God. Polytheists do not always worship all the gods equally, but can be Henotheists, specialising in the worship of one particular deity. Other polytheists can be Kathenotheists, worshiping different deities at different times.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2010 - 11:19am PT
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ed, did you want me to transliterate that for you? my greek is rather elementary.
astrud got orders from stan: don't you dare upstage me, bitch, or you're back on the streets of rio.
if you see the buddha on the road, piss on him? something to do with derek and the dominoes? gould may be close to the omega, but he leaves the alpha far behind.
i'll believe controlled fusion when the money coming out of it changes a less-than-or-equal-to sign to a greater-than. meanwhile, beware of that terrible myth, perpetual motion. i'm also kinda concerned that 4:57 on that video might resemble 0:57.
MIT linguist noam chomsky cooked up something called deep structure. it can be applied in matters of translation. perhaps this would be a rendering of your greek, from the vocabulary of jackson browne:
some of them were angry
at the way the earth was abused
by the men who'd learned how to forge her beauty into power
and they struggled to protect her from them
only to be confused
at the magnitude of her fury in the final hour.
and from another source, loosely translated:
"the sultan came by in his red-crested fly
"expecting the victor to cheer.
"he only drew nigh to hear a last psi ..."
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 21, 2010 - 12:36pm PT
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see pee violation
Ed Hartouni
what's the matter
with anti-matter
our universe has none
the x-ray scatter
from cosmic splatter
reveals it's gone anon
axion chatter
theta-bar smatter
physics overdone?
but tony's natter
and folksy blatter
just silly stories rerun
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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ed, people only write poetry when they feel pain. keep that up and you'll wind up like disaster master, norwegian and myself.
can we start with a simpler formula, say E=mc2?
energy, mass, i have no problem with. you could multiply a speed times a mass--that'd get it moving at least. but how do you square 186,000 miles per second? i can understand a square mile, but a square second?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
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it was a little pain
then it passed quickly
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 22, 2010 - 10:34pm PT
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November 22: ANCHOR of our ANSWER
"The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge.... That thy trust may be in the LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee. Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, that I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth, that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that sent unto thee?" (Proverbs 22:12,19-21). "Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me" (Acts 27:25).
The anchor of our trust today
Is in God's written Word.
His prophecies now on display
Make unbelief absurd.
That we may put in Him our trust,
God gives us certainty;
His Word is like an anchor thrust,
Unmoved eternally.
That we may answer those who ask
Why we have confidence,
The Lord has given us the task
To show His evidence.
To manifest that God has spoken
To those who ask a reason,
We show His prophecies unbroken,
Completed in their season.
The written Scriptures that we hold,
Our Lord preserved unflawed.
We trust the things therein we're told,
For we believe in God.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 22, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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He wrote: Brazilian women are all the proof I need.
Marry one and you'll believe in the Devil as well.
JL
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 22, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
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what if θ and θ' ≠0 ?
Everything always equals ONE
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go-B
climber
Matthew 25:40
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Nov 22, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
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Watch your child being born, instant love!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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this thread flowered briefly into poetry and is worth a bump for that.
meanwhile, especially to you, illusion, and dear gobee as well: harken thee unto the original post.
and peter, you chicken, ran away, didn't you? there's a reason for the aria presented and it has everything to do with the angst of largo, whom we hope might break into writing poetry along with the best.
ever notice, when you go into church, that the guy up there on the cross is a half-naked young man and most of the people in the pews are old ladies? ever notice that, at the heart of so much life, especially advanced life, is something called sexuality, balanced and beautiful and highly successful in all of nature? and how do we wind up with a god composed of three divine male persons? something a little out of kilter there? don't argue with me about the holy ghost. most people on here don't believe in ghosts anyway, and if "it" got mary pregnant, "it" wasn't female.
not grinding the ax for feminism here, just a little balance. "bubbles" silverman was a force of nature. i was hoping ed might appreciate that.
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