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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 31, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
Kind of sad about the "outing" of the Green River Towers in the latest Climbing.

I've been climbing there for over a quarter century. Why'd this guy Andrew Burr have to let the cat out of the bag?
Anybody know this guy? Does he post here?

Whats the point?
We have less and less of these wild unknown places to adventure in.

He apparently didn't even do his homework by talking to the most knowledgeable climbers about it.
(That wouldn't be Bjornstad).

Very sad.

Trad climber
Aug 31, 2010 - 01:29pm PT
Ron, I haven't seen the latest Climbing, is it about the area I emailed you about? The Cobra and that group?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2010 - 02:33pm PT
Yeah, Abbey Tower.

Old Cactus Ed is rolling over in his grave.

I feel sorry for climbers a century from now.

Mountain climber
Sep 2, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
Not to be a @ick, but now you're outing it on the interwebz? You realize the audience here is much greater than some crappy magazine that people actually have to pay for, right?
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Sep 2, 2010 - 05:31pm PT
Actually, this is a discussion of Antoine de Saint Exupery's lyrical writings.

Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Sep 2, 2010 - 05:33pm PT
Yeah. Lyrical writings. Like that little b!tch, the Little Prince. Yo.

Sep 2, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
You must have felt the same way when Lowe published articles on Zion, or was he in the club?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2010 - 05:55pm PT
True Wes, but Jeff and I both addressed this dilemma.

Read his East of the Valley, West of the Gunks, or my article in the '85 AAJ.

This was early on, before seeing the results on the resource and learning.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 2, 2010 - 09:21pm PT
Like Mighty I also noted the St Exupery reference but have yet to see the relevance
to one of the seminal works of western writing.

Sep 2, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
Wise management is so rare it needs to be widely acknowledged where it is found.

Back in the early seventies the Mohonk Preserve asked that outlying outcrops in the Gunks not be included in guidebooks. And that the Shawangunks not be frequently featured in topical media. Their requests were met with cooperation.

Sometimes I think we are killing our lives and making them shallow with our concentration on single issues. Yesterday one poster was thinking of the Gunks only in terms of climbing. A very common response.

Yet the most magical experience I had in that place involved a midnight run on the carriage roads during a light rain. Even the trees seemed alive.

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 2, 2010 - 09:56pm PT
Ouch Ron!

Pot calling kettle alert??

Sep 2, 2010 - 10:00pm PT

If Ron is telling us he now thinks he would do things differently, does that mean his counsel should be rejected out of hand?

Perhaps this is precisely the counsel one should be more prepared to consider.

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 2, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
No, I get it Jstan.

I'm joking, because I like Ron's stuff, always.

But I was also unaware of his sordid past in this regard, since he didn't come out with it in the OP. HA!!

I'm all for protecting areas as much as possible.
Ed Bannister

Mountain climber
Riverside, CA
Sep 2, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
just go upstream from Lee's Ferry,
there some more stone for ya.

Sep 2, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
Yeah. Joking is hard to read. I do it all the time.
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