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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 27, 2010 - 12:12pm PT
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NPS Morning Report for 8/27/2010
Yosemite National Park (CA)
Marijuana Plantation Raided, Two Arrested
With information obtained from a joint investigation with the Forest Service and the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office, Yosemite National Park rangers raided a large marijuana cultivation site in El Portal early on the morning of August 24th and seized 3,657 plants. The site was on land in both Yosemite National Park and the Sierra National Forest. The park worked with Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office deputies and detectives, an officer from Mariposa County Probation, and park rangers from Point Reyes National Seashore. The total estimated worth of the seized marijuana is $14.6 million. Two Mexican nationals, both in the United States illegally, were taken into custody while working the cultivation site during the raid. One of the men was armed with a loaded .45 caliber pistol concealed under his clothing. Both were wearing camouflage clothing at the time of their arrest. The marijuana plants growing in the site ranged in size from one plot of young, one-foot-tall plants, to a mature plot that was in the process of being harvested, with plants ranging from five- to ten-feet tall. In addition to seizing the 3,657 plants, several pounds of processed marijuana ready to be moved out of the site were also confiscated. The growing site suffered extensive resource damage, including damage to the native vegetation and landscape. Hose lines, fertilizers, trash and human waste were found throughout the area. The operation concluded safely with only a few minor injuries to officers. Both suspects are currently in custody awaiting charges.
[Submitted by Kari Cobb, Public Affairs Officer]
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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Yes on Prop 19 will put an end to this problem right away.
http://yeson19.com/
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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Why do you think the call them "drugs"?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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The guys arrested should be forced to be on a chain gang restoring the site to as natural a state as possible as part of their punishment.
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:20pm PT
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I liked the "joint investigation" part!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
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Nice work by the authorities involved.
I wonder what the "minor injuries" were?
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
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I wonder what the "minor injuries" were?
Haven't you ever done any bushwhacking in The Valley? Probably the Manzanita got 'em.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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Manzanita scratches.
edit: Damn rincon, you beat me to it!
How many of the fuzz pocketed a little stash?
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franky
Trad climber
Ford Pickup Truck, North America
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:13pm PT
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LEGALIZE IT!
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:31pm PT
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Blackmarket product=criminal profits and activities. Legalize this benign plant and end the prohibition. Legitimate farmers would benefit greatly and California will benefit from the economic boost.
Seems like an easy one, but people don't seem to use much logic to vote.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:40pm PT
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jstan was looking for more projects to do during Facelift.
Somebody better tell him about this.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
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The guys arrested should be forced to be on a chain gang restoring the site to as natural a state as possible as part of their punishment.
Absolutely, positively agree with that one! Good call!
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Blakeb
Gym climber
Southern Oregon, behind her
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Aug 27, 2010 - 05:23pm PT
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From my understanding that oakland/oaksterdam guy put up all of his own money(in the multi multi millions) to get the bill written up and it does seem that it would greatly benefit him.
Although alot of what others have written about legitimate farming and helping the economy, while removing organized crime seems extremely positive.
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nevahpopsoff
Boulder climber
the woods
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Aug 27, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
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Seems like an easy one, but people don't seem to use much logic to vote Many people don't seem to use much logic period. It has recently been approved for medical use here in RI, but with no place for folks to get it but on the street. "Compassion centers" are now being set up and you wouldn't believe the $hit storm that has developed, you know, the old "not in my back yard". Why does weed frighten people so?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 27, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
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Ironic.
John Muir created the boundaries to protect the animals from poaching and the trees from being harvested.
100 years later people are still harvesting those big trees.... and lightin' em up!
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:26pm PT
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Illegals, I agree with Brewer in AZ. Get there Butts out of here. Dont go giving them Drivers license like they do in OR.....that DUMB!
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tonesfrommars
Trad climber
California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:45pm PT
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which sparkplugs were in the airplane?
oh, wait...
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Blakeb
Gym climber
Southern Oregon, behind her
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:50pm PT
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Hey now, lets not bring the great state of oregon into this or racism/bigotry, this is about chronic :)
When they asked obama if he inhaled, in reference to bill claiming he didnt, obama said of course i did, isnt that the whole point!
My man, O-beezy
PS: If you dont want the illegals here, start working the shittiest jobs around that some how with our unemployment rates still dont get filled, then talk more sh#t. To bad americans are so f-in lazy we need the illegals to do the work we wont get off the couch to do, must have smoked too much
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
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they have a bust in that area every year it seems.
maybe they forgot about last year.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
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$14.6 million? At least that part of drug busts never changes.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
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Hopefully ICE will let the mexican nationals off the hook and get them a job picking strawberries where they can earn an honest living and pathway to citizenship....rj
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:13am PT
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they should lock them in a bamboo cage and let citizen mckane poke sticks at em
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Crodog
Trad climber
Concord, CA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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The site was on land in both Yosemite National Park and the Sierra National Forest. The park worked with Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office deputies and detectives, an officer from Mariposa County Probation, and park rangers from Point Reyes National Seashore
How did Point Reyes get to Yosemite?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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pt reyes is on the big fault, maybe it snapped off,
and floated up the merced.
maybe i'm on crack, i don't know.
maybe i kidnapped your great grandmother's beagle and had sex with it, i don't know,
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MeatBomb
Gym climber
Boise, I dee Hoe
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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14 million dollars worth street value? What is that, about 9 oz?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:30am PT
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DocSprock if you'd met my great grandmother's beagle and had sex with it, you'd know.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:55am PT
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The new park superintendent used to be the superintendent at P. Reyes.He wanted backu I'll bet, from people he could trust and that's what the rangers from Pt. Reyes were doing in Yosemite.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:55am PT
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hey, did you see that dog walker that stabbed the other guys pit bull four times in S.F ?
they don't know what to charge the guy with, stabbing a dog is not on the books,
how many freaks?
Man With Pit Bull Stabs Dog At SF's Fort Funston
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Dog walkers at one of the Bay Area's largest dog-friendly parks are on guard after a man walking his pit bull at Fort Funston stabbed another canine in San Francisco Thursday.
At about 2:30 p.m. Thursday, a dog walker reported to the U.S. Park Police that her dog had been stabbed multiple times with a knife by a man walking another dog near the Sunset Trail, a police spokesman said.
As the two dogs drew closer, they assumed an aggressive stance. Apparently, when the woman asked the man if his dog was neutered, he responded inexplicably by stabbing the woman's dog four times.
"It is just inexcusable that someone would respond that way," U.S. Park Police spokesman George Durgerian said. "Unless you're being attacked by the dog, there's no justification."
The suspect is described as a white or Hispanic man in his 30s, standing approximately 5 feet 9 inches tall with short dark hair.
An individual matching the suspect description was seen leaving the Fort Funston parking lot in a forest green SUV with tinted windows and a dog crate in its rear.
Police and dog owners are hoping his canine companion, a white-faced brindled pit bull possibly named "Denali," will give away his identity.
The woman's dog, Lenny, underwent surgery at an emergency pet hospital and was last reported to be recovering, although his injuries are severe, Durgerian said. The slashing injured many of Lenny's internal organs, includes his spleen and at least one lung.
Fort Funston, which is part of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area operated under the authority of the National Park Service, is well-known as an off-leash dog park.
The unprovoked attack has raised the hackles of regular park users, including Linda McKay of the Fort Funston Dog Walkers Association.
McKay couldn't recall a similar violent attack by a person against a dog, but said that the expansive natural park has seen its share of emotionally unstable characters.
"We've had episodes where people bring their craziness and things happen," McKay said.
In 2006, a suicidal 59-year-old San Francisco man shot two hang gliders, mortally wounding one, at the park before turning the gun on himself.
McKay, who operates the organization's website, has been working to spread the word of the attack and enlist the help of dog owners throughout the city to sniff out the identity of the attacker.
"He's not just a Fort Funston person, he goes to all the dog parks," she said. "We understand he goes to Stern Grove, as well."
Members of another city dog walkers association say they are confident pet owners will identify the man.
Nancy Stafford, co-director of the San Francisco Professional Dogwalkers Association, said another woman who witnessed the man fleeing the scene recognized the suspect as one of her regular customers at her Outer Sunset pet supply store.
"I'd be faxing and e-mailing all the vets and asking if they have a client with a dog named Denali," Stafford said.
Although the pit bull was not at fault in this attack, Durgerian reminds dog owners that the park service requires all dogs to be under the control of their owner.
"People like him give dogs owners a bad name," Durgerian said.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 28, 2010 - 02:49am PT
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all thread tilling and joking aside...throw that f*#k to the dogs.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:05am PT
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"3,657 plants...
The total estimated worth of the seized marijuana is $14.6 million."
Someone is in a fantasy land!!
(or trumping for a raise)
Mexicans can't even Grok yank'n da males.
14.6 mil ? I aint buy'n it!
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
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The proposition is far from perfect and it will still remain illegal under Fed law. But I think passage would be a crucial milestone. People will find out that, like other countries that have done this, legalization does not cause much of a change in consumption.
If Cali passes the law, there will be a national debate and the cali law can always be changed/improved later and other states can pass there own laws.
Heck, even it it goes down, I consider it a huge milestone that it is on the ballot and the outcome is still in doubt.
Mexico should legalize it also (about half of the Cartels drug money is from pot). Passage of the Cali law would give them cover to do that even if the Cali law is unworkable (or squashed by Fed enforcement).
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habitat
climber
grass pass
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Aug 28, 2010 - 08:54pm PT
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The growing site suffered extensive resource damage, including damage to the native vegetation and landscape.
At least they didn't pave paradise and put up a parking lot
or a dam
roads
bridges
tunnels
hotels
gift shops
ice rink
restaurants
post office
art gallery
housing
laundromats
gas station....
There's a long history of damage to the native vegetation and landscape in Yosemite
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:22pm PT
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glaciers,
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jhog
climber
south lake tahoe
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Recently in Colorado, I believe in Lyons, SWAT teams raided an outdoor crop. The irony is the town has been given the go ahead to turn an old egg factory into a marijuana farm.
Everybody who's talking about legalizing marijuana has to keep in mind that big business will ultimately be cashing in on this crop and putting the little guys out of business.
Get ready for marijuana brought to you by ConAgra, Phillip Morris, Procter and Gamble, etc.
No judgment here, just an observation.
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Maverick
Boulder climber
Berkeley, CA
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Legalize!!!
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climbactic
climber
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I think Californians are ready to end the hypocrisy and cross-border drug trade (north and south) but in the end big business will have it's way and that will be to continue to rake in profits, get people of working age out of the job market and create jobs for the prison industrial complex. Also big pharma isn't going to let a law pass that would render half their drugs useless since cannabis is now being recognized as efficacious against a host of ailments including depression, pain and even things like cancer and diabetes due to it's high alkalinity.
I'm for legalizing but not necessarily for this law and anyway I don't vote anymore having decided it's an exercise in futility akin to banging one's head against the wall. All it took were two stolen presidential elections and watching the country elect Wall St. this last time. I'm also fearful of the way the "majority" thinks so I'm already on the losing team...democracy in this country is an illusion kept in place to lull people into thinking it exists.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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BURN HIM - HE'S A WITCH!
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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wasn't that the community garden for El Portal?
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chiindi
Big Wall climber
Lakeview, OR
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Sep 23, 2010 - 03:24pm PT
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Wonder if the stuff I planted at the El Cap tree ever took off? (circa 1977).
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Sep 25, 2010 - 12:09am PT
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Vote.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 25, 2010 - 12:51am PT
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"3,657 plants...
The total estimated worth of the seized marijuana is $14.6 million."
Well, that's prolly what you get doing the math when you pull a plant out of the ground, then weigh the whole thing (giga-stem, roots, attached dirt, etc...) !
Just padding the numbers, as they say.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Sep 25, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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at 1 lb a plant because of early harvest, you would have
3600 times 2000 a pound = 7 million.
2 lbs a plant = 14 million
5 lbs a plant = 35 million
20 lbs a plant = 70 million
for rj reynolds/uc davis geo engineered at 50 lbs a plant,
you would have a whopping 350 million buckeroos,
more than indian bingo
even enuff to retire fatty.
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Sep 25, 2010 - 01:13am PT
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Yeah. That's feasible. Easy. Right.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 25, 2010 - 01:34am PT
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today's LA Times:
Snuff out pot measure
Proposition 19 is poorly thought out, badly crafted and replete with loopholes and contradictions.
September 24, 2010
Marijuana is the most popular illegal drug in the United States. Seventy years of criminal prohibition, "Just Say No" sloganeering and a federal drug war that now incarcerates 225,000 people a year have not diminished the availability or use of — or apparently the craving for — cannabis. And helping meet the demand is California, the nation's top grower. Marijuana production here results in an estimated $14 billion in sales, and its cultivation and distribution are now tightly woven into the state's economy. It is grown in homes, in backyards and even in national parks, including Yosemite.
Marijuana is popular, plentiful and lucrative, costing about $400 a pound to grow and yielding $6,000 a pound on the street. So it is perhaps inevitable that an attempt would be made to legalize it, as Proposition 19 — the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 — purports to do. The act would authorize possession of one ounce of marijuana for personal consumption by people 21 and older, permit marijuana use in private residences or public places licensed for on-site consumption, and allow marijuana cultivation in private residences for personal use. It includes strong restrictions regarding the sale or use of marijuana to or around minors, and would permit city and county governments to regulate and tax it. Proponents of the proposition say it would bring public policy on marijuana into line with that on alcohol and cigarettes, both of which can be dangerous and deadly but are nonetheless legal. It is the criminalization of the drug that creates social problems, they say, including a violent drug war at the border, fueled in part by black-market profits, and millions of lives damaged by overzealous enforcement rather than by the drug itself.
The proposal has riveted national attention on California, as did Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act of 1996, which permitted the medicinal use of marijuana. Thirteen states have since adopted similar measures, and public approval for medical marijuana has increased significantly. Californians' independent streak and willingness to challenge federal authority have galvanized the national debate on legalization. The question now is whether we will do it again. Will we thumb our noses at Washington and blaze another new trail?
We should not.
Whether marijuana should be legal is a valid subject for discussion. Californians ought to welcome a debate about whether marijuana is any more dangerous than alcohol, whether legalization would or would not increase consumption, and whether crime would go down as a result of decriminalization. But Proposition 19 is so poorly thought out, badly crafted and replete with loopholes and contradictions that it offers an unstable platform on which to base such a weighty conversation.
Its flaws begin with the misleading title: Regulate, Control and Tax Act. Those are hefty words that suggest responsibility and order. But the proposition is in fact an invitation to chaos. It would permit each of California's 478 cities and 58 counties to create local regulations regarding the cultivation, possession and distribution of marijuana. In other words, the law could change hundreds of times from county to county. In Los Angeles County alone it could mean 88 different sets of regulations.
The proposition would have merited more serious consideration had it created a statewide regulatory framework for local governments, residents and businesses. But it still would have contained a fatal flaw: Californians cannot legalize marijuana. Regardless of how the vote goes on Nov. 2, under federal law marijuana will remain a Schedule I drug, whose use for any reason is proscribed by Congress. Sure, California could go it alone, but that would set up an inevitable conflict with the federal government that might not end well for the state. That experiment has been tried with medical marijuana, and the outcome has not inspired confidence. Up and down the state, an untold number of residents have faced federal prosecution for actions that were allowed under California law. It's true that the Obama administration has adopted a more tolerant position on state laws regulating medical marijuana, but there's no guarantee that the next administration will. Regardless, Obama's "drug czar," Gil Kerlikowske, has firmly stated that the administration will not condone marijuana's legalization for recreational purposes.
One reason given by Proposition 19 supporters for legalizing marijuana is that California is in dire fiscal straits, and taxing the cannabis crop could ultimately enrich state and local coffers by $1.4 billion a year. But again, critics say that argument is misleading. The act essentially requires local governments that choose to regulate and tax marijuana to establish new bureaucracies and departments, and much of the new revenue could be eaten up by the cumbersome process of permitting and licensing sales, consumption, cultivation and transportation.
Far from helping the state's economic outlook, Proposition 19 could cause substantial harm. For instance, it would put employers in a quandary by creating a protected class of on-the-job smokers, bestowing a legal right to use marijuana at work unless employers could actually prove that it would impair an employee's job performance. Employers would no longer have the right to screen for marijuana use or discipline a worker for being high. But common sense dictates that a drug-free environment is crucial at too many workplaces to name — schools, hospitals, emergency response and public safety agencies, among others.
The multiple conflicts with federal law, and the strong probability of confusing and contradictory municipal laws that would result from its passage, overwhelm the hypothetical benefits of Proposition 19.
This is the first of The Times' endorsements in the Nov. 2 election. Upon publication, they will be collected at latimes.com/opinion.
Copyright © 2010, Los Angeles Times
ps
Don't shoot the messenger!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Sep 25, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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There is a great spring, with good soil, just above the Heart Roof on the SOH route.
Plant your weed there, brother, and the Man won't be able to get at it.
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