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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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But...but...but...them towers is just sand all stuck together with godfunk!?!?!
Bravo on a job well done! Sedona is very spread out!
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Indeed- Only madmen with a death-wish put up routes on those crumbling mud-piles ;)
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Mimi
climber
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That is an accomplishment, MrE. Good job!
Didn't realize the area was so large. Only climbed there once. Very scenic.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Funny, isn't it? Most people think guidebooks come from stores.
Sure. Just like routes come from guidebooks.
Well, okay, as Steve pointed out, Arizona routes come from piles of mud, and Arizona guidebooks probably come from certifiable lunatics, but...
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Just got permission to post the cover shot - thanks John
Back cover:
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Get a room pate and tr.
Stoked for you Erik.
Can't wait to get my paws on it.
But that would mean that I'd actually have to go climbing in Sedona!
When's the party?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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ooooooo, Jefe slips in with a well placed barb!
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Just a bit behind schedule but .......
What is the damage? Is this going to be a $40 guide?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Pate- Will you please give it a rest? ... or tell ya what. You spend 2 years of your life working on something full time for absolutely zero pay and post it up so we can critique it.... just to be fair.
It's friggin climbing guide. Nobody gives a sh#t about the font except a handful of snooty graphic designers with a huge stick up their ass who want to jump on the band-wagon. We're just happy all this info is finally out of David's head and typed on paper for others to use. The font is irrelevant.
PS: It's like- 90% hard trad climbing BTW- so your "grid bolting" comment sounds unbelievably stupid to anyone who has climbed there- but thanks for bumping the thread.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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Thank you, David and Eric!
Nice job on the cover shots. I can't wait to get me a copy. I have no doubt it will be the best thing out there on the subject (of climbing in Sedona). Lots of variety there these days. Probably one of the most under rated and misunderstood climbing areas anywhere.
Thanks again gentlemen!
P.S. Its not a chemtrail, its a UFO!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Good work guys, looking forward to getting a copy despite not living in AZ anymore.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oh m'friggin' gosh, The Doctor and MisterE, the coolest dudes to rope up with, workin' conjuntos?!? So totally outside. Man, I love that front cover, so bitchen. And what a formation on the back cover. Do, like, people climb that stuff?
Big props...
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bluering
Trad climber
CA
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Nice looking guide. Congrats are in order!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Did the ultra classic Mud, Sweat and Fears make it in?
bwahahahah
FA ontheedge and Cory E, 5.11, five or so pitches.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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K-man- not only do they climb them... both The Mace (that picture) and Oak Creek Spire (below) are double spires. Once you get about 2/3 pitches up you have to "jump across" the gaping maw below to summit the formation. I'd be interested to hear any first hand accounts from people who botched the grab.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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don't be coy.
It's so deeply ingrained into my nature at this point the jaws of life could not extract it.
PS: You'd win that bet. I didn't climb there in the 90's. I don't climb much there now. Sedona's for hard-men. Not muppets.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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So 90s.. FA Louder Than Bombs..
Ontheedge and V.D, 5.11 b/c, though VD's tights might have been 80s vintage.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Ontheedge:
That reminds me - our guide is not comprehensive. For instance, we only included 4 aid routes. They were included because they are in areas already receiving coverage in the guidebook. Many of them are listed in the other Guides, as well. There is no bouldering coverage in our book. The local bouldering crew is doing a separate guide for that arena.
We had so many areas and information to cover, we just couldn't include everything. Also, although both Tim Toula's book "A Better Way to Die" and David's old Sedona Guide are out-of-print, we wanted to leave a sense of adventure and mystery in finding both the guides and some of the routes that are listed in these books and not our new guide. There are some real out-there climbs for the intrepid adventurer.
Erik
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Hmmm…. Not a comprehensive guide.
Did you at least cover the classics? Castles in the Sand did not and that sucked. Didn’t buy it.
So to cover the area I have to have 4 guides. Two are out of print and two aren’t printed yet.
Other guide books like Supertopo have a different philosophy. Make the old guide and topos better along with new stuff.
I would think in 306 pages that cover 35 areas that would include the already covered routes. The other guides are pretty thin.
Maybe I will have to stick to Mountain Project for free and up to date information.
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Mimi
climber
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Not all who squander are lost. Buy the guide for cripe's sake. I'm sure it's better than whatever is out there.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Definitely covers all the classics.
There has been a HUGE amount of new route activity in Sedona in the last 10-15 years, and I think most people will be happy with the updated version...
Of course, you can't please everyone...
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Erik and Dave - nice job getting it done!
(and kudos to the PageMaker Person™™™ as well!)
Just goes to show... all you can do it whack it out and chuck it out there.
Nobody's satisfied anymore no matter what you do.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 14, 2010 - 03:25am PT
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It will be good to see the classics and the new new stuff. Thanx
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Aug 14, 2010 - 03:40am PT
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Happy for your Erik. Can't wait to get my copy. Even if it takes me forever to get back out there. Can I paypal you to get one sent to me?
Congrats brother!
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Aug 16, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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Just got two copies of the first proof today! Looks great!
Here's some teaser pics:
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 17, 2010 - 03:48am PT
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Nice!
Did "Day in court" make the cut? Obscure death routes to the left of it?
Not all who squander are lost. Too funny, and "seek the armbar unbroken, the wyde will again be king"....
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georgiegirl
Sport climber
Heaven
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Aug 17, 2010 - 11:42am PT
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Mister E, You mentioned a release party at VR. Is there a date yet? I'm always up for a party! I can't wait to get my paws on this new guide. :)
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The Doctor
Social climber
Da Bronx
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Aug 17, 2010 - 01:47pm PT
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Thanks everyone for all the kind words. Can't wait to get it into your paws'. The DR.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Aug 17, 2010 - 04:53pm PT
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Congrats fellas! Looking forward to buying one!
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Aug 17, 2010 - 06:43pm PT
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Georgiegirl, we will announce the book release party date here, probably be mid-September. If it is too close to Facelift/IC Sushifest, we'll push it back to early October.
The book will be $35.00
As David said, thanks for your kind words!
Now I gotta go do some work with a red pen.... 8-)
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
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Looking forward to picking one up,
It will need to be autographed, sounds like a roadtrip
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Aug 18, 2010 - 11:36pm PT
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Just got through the first edit, still have to send it to the Doctor - but this guide frikkin' ROCKS, people.
It's gonna be great,
and worth the wait.
Thanks to the other members of the team: The Doctor and Boltgrl - you guys crushed it!
Big grins, Erik
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Sherri
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 02:11am PT
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Way to go, Erik! The guidebook looks captivating and well-crafted. No doubt that it's destined to be a classic kept close at hand by every southwest climber.
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nature
climber
Whereverland....
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:05am PT
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Lies.
you photoshopped that picture of the guide in your hands.
all lies....
except the sushi part. and the release party. and did I mention yer gonna die?
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shopgirl
climber
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Oct 31, 2010 - 10:33pm PT
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Erik,
I work in Canyon Outfitters in Sedona. We'd love to stock your book, people have been asking for it since last summer...they look sad when I say we don't have it!
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Thanks, shopgirl - I will be sure and put Canyon Outfitters on our list of shops!
This thing should be out by 2012, really.
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shopgirl
climber
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We'll be waiting.
Thank you.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Hey E, I'll trade you an American Fork guide for a copy ;^)
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Looks fantastic. Just did some crazy backcountry Sedona climb, can't wait to see some of the new stuff out there. Great job, I'm sure it was a grueling project.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Just ordered the second proof this morning.
There were a TON of edits on the first one, but this one should go way faster.
I will have it in-hand on Thursday, to David by next Tuesday or Wednesday for his reviews, so...
2012 for sure! ;-)
Hahaha, Will.
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Larry
Trad climber
Bisbee
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May 24, 2011 - 05:15pm PT
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What's the news?
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MisterE
Social climber
Cinderella Story, Outa Nowhere
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May 24, 2011 - 05:35pm PT
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Thanks for the bump!
The form letter that went out last week:
Greetings friends!
David and I have encountered some unexpected set-backs in the late stages of publication and are forced to begin the process anew.
We want to make sure that this guide is a proud representation of all of the efforts of everyone involved. There are elements of accuracy, consistency and aesthetic that are very important to us. We respect the generosity and input from all parties involved.
I have recently spent a week in Flagstaff with David, going through the information page-by-page. This was followed up by a complete redoing of all 150 photos and photo-topos. I am now redoing all 105 hand-drawn topos, as well. The result is more like what David and I had envisioned. It is a great feeling.
We both apologize for the delays, the end product will be better for every bit of extra time we put into this.
We want to thank you all for your amazing input, patience and keeping a positive spin on this project.
Your contributions have been invaluable to us.
Erik and David
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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May 24, 2011 - 06:51pm PT
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WOW. Quite the rewrite.
Interesting.
Wonder what could have caused this drastic measure.
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nature
climber
WTF?
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May 24, 2011 - 06:56pm PT
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I so want to comment but I'll just hold my tongue.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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May 24, 2011 - 11:10pm PT
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Congrats... a baby is born! Lots of work. Tons of abuse. Feel good about what you accomplished.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Lahar
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May 25, 2011 - 01:43am PT
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Sometimes you have to do a REGEN, othertimes, you may want to do a REDRAW, but in other cases, sometimes you have to START ANEW.
Good luck! RB
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MisterE
Social climber
Cinderella Story, Outa Nowhere
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May 26, 2011 - 02:30am PT
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Thanks, everyone.
I got back from Flagstaff last Monday. In the week-and-a-half since then I have completely redone the 150 photos and photo-topos, as mentioned. I just now finished redoing all 107 hand-drawn topos, the real meat of the work, since we changed the layout for EVERYTHING for a cleaner look.
So, in sum: 10 days of work, usually 8-16 hours per day depending on the job that PAYS, for a net result of page-ready topos numbering 257.
My fingers hurt, and I haven't climbed in three weeks.
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