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Don Lauria
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 22, 2010 - 05:33pm PT
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View from 4th Lake circa 1963
Betcha nobody can take one like this again.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jul 22, 2010 - 06:05pm PT
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That's pretty cool.
The cabin is gone then?
I seem recall there was a saga, but I don't remember the details.
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Don Lauria
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 06:26pm PT
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Yeah, Glacier Lodge, or was it the Glacier Pack Station, set up tent cabins every spring on the cliff above 4th Lake. They had a permanent cabin built there that housed a small store and a lunch counter. They rented the tent cabins and brought people in on horseback. It all went away with the advent of the Wilderness Act.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jul 22, 2010 - 06:32pm PT
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Don's just showing off his mad Photoshop skills. Never happened.
Fantastic stuff Don. Keep 'em coming.
Gene
From this angle the V-Notch looks more like a U-Notch and vice versa.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jul 22, 2010 - 06:48pm PT
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Wow, what a view. Check out the length and depth of the bergschrund. Rowell pointed out to me the year he passed away of the very rapid melt rate as evidenced by the changing color of Third Lake with all the fines being washed down. Amazing such change just in our quick life times. Thanks Don for sharing.
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Banquo
Trad climber
Morgan Hill, CA (Mo' Hill)
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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There is the old (~1920?) movie set
It's still there
I'm looking for an old photo I had of the lodge at the lake. You can still see where it was from the old foundations and such.
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Banquo
Trad climber
Morgan Hill, CA (Mo' Hill)
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
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Found it
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
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Thanks Banquo, wow ot and heading in the right direction.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
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seems like that lodge was wiped out twice, right? fire and a kidd mountain avalanche?
lodges are special places, and it's a shame to lose one. it's nice up there anyway at the big pine trailhead, but there's nothing quite like a lodge.
some of my best memories involve the sierra club's harwood lodge on mt. baldy, everything from budding romances to nostalgic/historic get-togethers, to playing live music for folk dancers, to my kids' birthday parties.
the latter were probably the best--taking a half-dozen of their overurbanized classmates into the high, forested mountains for a look at something they'd never seen up close before, and hopefully whetting their appetites for more. the nice thing about a lodge is the comfortable informality for meeting strangers. you can come away with some pretty good friendships.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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Tony, this lodge was up by fourth lake, you had to pack in.
It's confusing because the lodge at the Trailhead is also the Glacier Lodge.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 22, 2010 - 11:34pm PT
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Remember those ladies you take home can take photos with their cell phones.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 22, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
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Talk about lost civilizations!!!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 23, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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upper glacier lodge--what became of that?
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Don Lauria
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2010 - 03:05am PT
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Let us make a distinction. There is and still is Glacier Lodge - even though it burned down once. Glacier Camp was an extension of Glacier Lodge placed at Fourth Lake way up the canyon. The Camp was destroyed by the Forest Service by edict after the passage of the Wilderness Act.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 23, 2010 - 09:05am PT
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Gotta love the Palisades. Thanks for the photo.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 23, 2010 - 10:18am PT
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i thought it's called glacier lodge, but it's mostly just a store and cabins and some campsites--never rebuilt the lodge itself as a lodge-type lodge. and wasn't it destroyed twice, by fire and then by avalanche? sorry to be such a history buff.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jul 23, 2010 - 10:25am PT
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Room with a view
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Apr 28, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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Thanks, you guys for this thread -- hadn't seen it until today.
I've been starting to research these very things for an article on the Palisades for Alpinist. I've got the history pretty wired back to the mid-60s when I showed up, with vivid recollections of Bob Swift, Don Jensen and of course my contemporaries. But the "Fourth Lake Lodge," as Jensen called it, and especially the Movie Set, have remained mysteries. Intriguing.
I can fill in a few details here.
Glacier Lodge, at the roadhead, was a full-on place like Tony describes down south, with rooms for rent and a dining room where I ate a couple of times with clients and the other guides. One glance down at its foundation from the "new" trail that cuts across the opposite hillside, heading up from the "new" hiker parking, easily tells the story of it being avalanched. Don Jensen, I think it was, said there had been five Glacier Lodges. That each had been avalanched off the thousands of feet of that horrendous hillside behind it. One time the slide knocked the regulator off the top of its propane tank and an explosion did it in. Will have to find out more.
Movie Set: Nice shots, Banquo! Yes, anyone can visit the remains, built on a knob SE of Fourth Lake maybe half a mile. (Off the trail to Black Lake, before it starts to descend.) The big question here is, what movie? Don Jensen thought it was Khyber Rifles, or maybe The Guns of Khyber Pass. But a quick look at the IMDB doesn't seem to confirm either. I would love to see the footage of the Palisades masquerading as Afghanistan!
Norman Clyde: See another of Don Lauria's threads for Norman Clyde's favorite Norman Clyde story. Tree climbing in the Palisades...
Norman Clyde at Glacier Lodge: Yes, he was the winter caretaker there for decades. Said he skied up the canyon nearly every day. Yes, Clyde was a skier too. Perch yourself for a second back up on the main trail to the North Fork, across the Creek looking down on the Lodge foundation, and your avalanche eye will quickly show why Clyde didn't live in the comfy Lodge for the winter, didn't get avalanched along with it. His cabin is the last one upstream, a bit hard to see in a grove of old-growth trees. Two advantages: those trees show that it never got hit by the avalanches that kept taking out the Lodge. That boy was no fool. And out the window over his bed he could catch first-light alpenglow on his "favorite peak in the Sierra," the one that how harbors his ashes and bears his name.
Oh, and Dingus, it's interesting to notice that Lon Chaney's cabin, down in Cienega Mirth, did not get destroyed along with the Fourth Lake Lodge when the Wilderness Act came along. Detour a hundred feet off the trail up the North Fork to sit for a moment on its cool stone steps that descend to the shore of the Creek, and it's easy to see why the Forest Service just could not bring themselves to blow up such an elegant and architect-designed historic structure. The mountain retreat of the man of a thousand faces.
I'd love to hear more info, see more old photos...
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Apr 28, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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Whoa! Mr. Robinson checks in!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 28, 2014 - 10:58am PT
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Lauria...Most of us were wearing diapers in 63...rj
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Apr 28, 2014 - 11:05am PT
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Doug-
The photo of the old movie set was taken when you and I went to the Palisades with our kids and Kumar. That's my son in the photo. You told us how to find it. I've tried to figure out what movie, or more likely movies, used it but have never turned anything up. Most of the pre 1926 movies are probably lost. It seems like it would have to have been a fairly large budget movie to have built such a set. Perhaps the people at the Lone Pine movie museum could help. There is no doubt that it was a movie set because it is a false front and there was no structure to the back side.
Dan
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Apr 28, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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Hi Dan,
Yeah, I remember you going up to visit the movie set on that trip. We had a great time! I'll be checking with the Lone Pine film office in coming weeks.
Could be good climbing up there soon. We walked up the South Fork to snow line last week, which was up under the "Bronze Bell." Just sayin'...
Cheers,
Doug
And WTF -- Glad you like the aging factoids. I'm hoping to tie up some of these historical loose ends for the Alpinist article so at least the early history of the place is fairly well covered.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 28, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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This marvelous thread is well worth a bump. Thanks for the photo and for those who filled in some of the history.
Right after I took the Bar Exam in 1979, I headed to the East Side. Eating breakfast at Glacier Lodge, with the overwhelming view of Clyde Peak in the background, remains one of my fondest memories of what a summer vacation should contain.
John
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Apr 28, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
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Doug-
I've retired from teaching so although I still have to consult and make money, I have a lot more time than I used to. Always looking for things to do.
Dan
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Apr 28, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
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This just in from the Lone Pine Film History Museum:
Erich von Stroheim, The Wedding March (1928, silent)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 29, 2014 - 12:24am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
a quick look at the film doesn't seem to reveal any of the scenery...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Stroheim
a more interesting story:
"Probably Stroheim's best remembered work as a director is Greed, a detailed filming of the novel McTeague by Frank Norris. He originally started it as a project with Samuel Goldwyn's Goldwyn Pictures. Stroheim had long wanted to do a film version of the book. He originally intended it to be a highly detailed reproduction of the original, shot mostly at the locations described in the book in San Francisco and Death Valley. The original print ran for an astonishing 10 hours. Knowing this version was far too long, Stroheim cut out almost half the footage, reducing it to a six-hour version to be shown over two nights. It was still deemed too long, so Stroheim and director Rex Ingram edited it into a four-hour version that could be shown in two parts.
However, in the midst of filming, Goldwyn was bought by Marcus Loew and merged into Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. After rejecting Stroheim's attempts to cut it to less than three hours, MGM removed Greed from his control and gave it to head scriptwriter June Mathis, with orders to cut it down to a manageable length.[5] Mathis gave the print to a routine cutter, who reduced it to 2.5 hours.[6] In what is considered one of the greatest losses in cinema history, a janitor destroyed the cut footage.
The shortened release version was a box-office failure, and was angrily disowned by Stroheim. In particular, he blamed Mathis for destroying his pet project, since she was credited as a writer due to contractual obligations.[7] However, Mathis had worked with Stroheim before and had long admired him, so it is not likely she would have indiscriminately butchered his film.[8] The film was partially reconstructed in 1999 by Producer Rick Schmidlin, using the existing footage mixed with surviving still photographs, but Greed has passed into cinema lore as a lost masterpiece.
Stroheim followed with a commercial project, The Merry Widow (his most commercially successful film) and the more personal The Wedding March and the now-lost The Honeymoon.
Stroheim's unwillingness or inability to modify his artistic principles for the commercial cinema, his extreme attention to detail, his insistence on near-total artistic freedom and the resulting costs of his films led to fights with the studios. As time went on he received fewer directing opportunities.
In 1929, Stroheim was dismissed as the director of the film Queen Kelly after disagreements with star Gloria Swanson and producer and financier Joseph P. Kennedy over the mounting costs of the film and Stroheim's introduction of indecent subject matter into the film's scenario."
so maybe the footage was shot but the film didn't survive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wedding_March_(1928_film);
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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Apr 29, 2014 - 12:38am PT
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Doug
We used to "gather" firewood by throwing logs off the wall behind the PSOM camp. Those logs were from the movie set of "The Guns of Kyber Pass" ... right?
tc
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BBA
climber
OF
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Apr 29, 2014 - 11:57am PT
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Our family was always out on the east side of the Sierra. I graduated HS in '58, spent some time in the Olympics, then on return we went to the Glacier. a couple of photos for the thread...
You can see a couple of regular cabins on the right and tent cabins on the left. We backpacked in and just had a piece of pie or something at the Lodge.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Apr 29, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
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BBA-
Very cool to see the old photos. You can still see where the buildings were since some concrete slabs have survived.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 29, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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That's a fascinating set of photos. The Palisade Glacier and crevasses look much larger than I've seen up there, even in the 70's.
Doug, do you have any perspectives on the relative size of the glacier and crevasses compared to recent history?
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yosemite4
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Here is a photo of John Fischer taken on a hike in 2007.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Great thread. Everyone TFPU.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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good thread bump.
At the risk of outing myself as someone that has never been into the Palisade region, I still want to get in there.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Okay, where is the u-notch?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Very cool. Nice ski line on the right in OP pic.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Cool photo of the lodge from the outside. I had not seen that before.
Funny this thread comes up again. On Friday I was talking with an old friend of mine and we placed both of these places on the maps and checked out with google earth.
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