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slobmonster
Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 23, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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Anyone know where --either in the Bay area or online-- one can purchase the pretty darn small BRASS CRIMPS I need?
I'm good on cable, that's easy.
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slobmonster
Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
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Thanks Clint. I had already navigated to that page; pretty sure I need 1/16" swages.
Hopefully snag some cable from nearby bike shops (aplenty in the East Bay).
The next order of business is a legit Nicopress (or similar) swager. I have a pliers-style crimper at present.
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adatesman
Trad climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jun 23, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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They're commonly used in saltw#ter fishing, so just about any halfway decent tackle shop should have a good selection on hand. My local place carries Mini-lok Sleeves from Diamond Fishing, with a pack of 50 costing ~$8.
EDIT- Huh. Apparently the system thinks "saltw#ter" is a bad word and hashes out the "a".
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Jun 23, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
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How timely is this. I got a booty alien offset off of the trip last month, and it is time to repair the trigger. Thanks guys.
Oh yea, and bumpity bump for climbing related stuff.
Bob
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adatesman
Trad climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jun 23, 2010 - 05:14pm PT
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For the balls on the end of the Alien trigger wires do a Google search for "crimp beads". They're used in jewelrymaking and brass ones are a dead ringer for what I've seen on some Aliens (depends on the generation...). Heck, the local Joanne Fabrics or Micheals may even have them...
Pic of brass crimp beads
(PS- I take it it's no longer possible to embed pics? I only see the upload to the Taco option. )
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Jun 23, 2010 - 05:37pm PT
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McMaster also has the cable you need. Order the 3/32" stainless. Alien may require the 1/16", I am not sure.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 23, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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Aric,
You can still imbed images, with the [ img ] tags. It's not a button on the edit window [yet].
Brian,
I use the 3/64" 7x7 stainless cable from McMaster - it fits through the holes in the Friend trigger bars.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Jun 23, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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Some OSH stores (in the bay) have small swages. - NOT small enough for a yellow alien (those are tiny) but fine for bd .5 and up. Prolly find a nicopress around somewhere that sells machine shop equipment or Mc Master Carr as Clint suggests. Shouldn't be too hard. There is a pay to use machine shop coop in menlo park that most certainly has a nicopress (as well as many CNCs, plastic extruding part maker, etc). I can't recall their name but you can easily find em on the web.
kev
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jun 23, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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Have you guys used weed wacker wire to fix your triggers. I have used it on several cams and it has held up for quite a while although the com is a little more sloppy afterward.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Jun 23, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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For 1/16" I get copper ones from ACE hardware, works pretty good on my Friends, TCU's and Camalots. Still need to get the kit together for fixin my aliens, people hate my paper clips.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jun 23, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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Oh, I thought you were talking about Dave and Callie. . .
Brassnuts and Crimpie. . .
hee hee hee. . .
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 02:01am PT
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You can make your own crimper for those tiny swages by carefully grinding recesses in a pair of lineman's pliers. Do it as close to the axle pin as you can. I used a dremel tool with a grinding bit. Round the edges of the half-circle voids a bit, so that they don't leave sharp edges on the crimped fitting.
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Strider
Trad climber
one of god's mountain temples.... ಠ_ಠ
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Jun 24, 2010 - 03:50am PT
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I just pulled out my calipers and shims to figure out exactly what size the cables on my cams are. I say exact but really I just mean pretty close...
Take note: the difference I make between trigger pins and trigger cables. Look at any of the cams I have listed here and the trigger assembly is made up of 5 parts:
1. actual trigger
2. the wire cable that connects to the trigger
3. the swage that connects the trigger cable to the trigger pin
4. the trigger pin which is a stiff piece of metal wire that connects the trigger assembly to the actual cam
5. the cam
Depending on what is broke, you may need different parts and tools...
1/40" or .025" Diameter or ~22 Gauge
Trigger Pin
Aliens - Black, B/B Hybrid, Blue, B/G Hybrid, Green, G/Y Hybrid, Yellow, Gray, Y/R Hybrid, Red, Orange, Purple
3/64" or .046" Diameter or ~17 Gauge
Trigger Pin
C4 New - .5 Purple, .75 Green
Trigger Cable
Aliens - Blue, B/G Hyrbid, Green, G/Y Hybrid, Yellow, Y/R Hybrid, Red, Orange, Purple
C4 New - .5 Purple, .75 Green, 1 Red, 2 Yellow, 3 Blue
Metolius TCU (3 cam) - 3 Orange
1/16" or .062" Diameter or ~14 Guage
Trigger Pin
C4 New - 1 Red, 2 Yellow, 3 Blue, 4 Gray
C4 Old - 4.5 Red
Trigger Cable
C4 New - 4 Gray
C4 Old - 4.5 Red
Random Notes:
Black, B/B Hybrid and Gray Aliens do not use Trigger Cables but rather just Trigger Pins.
Aliens and Metolius appear to use Stainless Steel for their Trigger Cables and BD appears to use some sort of plated wire. My preference is for SS since I feel it is softer and less brittle, therefore less likely to fray and stab me. On the other hand, it is slippery-ier and more likely to fail over time.
Aliens and Metolius appear to use copper swages whereas BD appears to use zinc plated copper swages. The pros and cons of which I am unaware, other than perhaps corrosion resistance...?
Trigger Pins on Aliens are simply pieces of wire, attached to the cam by inserting the cable into the cam, twisting and then cutting. Trigger Pins on Metolius and BD are actual pins with a pinhead that secures the pin to the cam. Metolius Cam heads are chamfered to seat the pinhead, BD cams are drilled flat and the pinhead rests high.
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Chief
climber
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Jun 24, 2010 - 10:17am PT
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National Telephone is one of the more recognized manufacturers of quality "Nicopress" hand swaging tools.
My smallest combo goes does 3/64", 1/16", 3/32"
Not sure if they make anything smaller.
Ver Sales in LA is one of the film industry supply outfits that carries NT and coppers sleeves.
Probably find NT vendors near your area online.
Good luck, happy crimping.
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