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Kist
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 24, 2002 - 06:52pm PT
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Whats the deal... is this true or just a fable? Anybody have any fun anecdotes about the alleged incident?
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 07:33pm PT
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Dude your livin in the past. Shut up.
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 07:52pm PT
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first and only time i smoked the stuff was summer of '77 on th summit of mt whitney. guys with the sthuff were a couple of climbers clad in the newest marmot gear (funded by proceeds from sale of the green...
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 09:01pm PT
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Shut up guys I'm serious.
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read the book
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 09:16pm PT
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The fish you're trolling for has published several collections of climbing lore including the story of the crashed plane. While many of us love to read his contributions to this site, maybe you oughtta pony up a few bucks on one of his fine books.
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Curious
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 09:16pm PT
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OK, I'll take the bait...what the hell are you guys talking about?
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Matt M
Intermediate climber
SF, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 09:26pm PT
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Lynn Hill's new Bio has details and numerous john long books cover it as well. Trivia Fact - JL used the story as baisis for the CLiffhanger screenplay
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Matt M
Intermediate climber
sf, ca
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Nov 24, 2002 - 09:27pm PT
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Or that's what I read somewhere - correct me if i'm wrong...
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Smokey
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 09:51pm PT
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its true, i was there. the plane crashed in lower merced lake. a piece of the plane was found by a local skier. the feds came and decieded to leave it until spring. some climbers went up and started chopping in the ice and found bales of pot soaked in jet fuel. some other climbers brought up chain saws and cut the ice and got all the pot. by the time i got there you could barely walk on the ice but you could see the plane underwater. jack dorn got the pilots vest with a little black book, much $$$ and some cocaine. the owners of the flight found out and wanted to meet him. he was to meet them at the old mr bar one rainy fall night but a rescue was called on lost arrow. he fell off the falls trail in the dark past columbia point, or was he pushed?? the rescue call turned out to be bogus.
all true
btw the pot would sometimes flash up in flames from the jet fuel, way good dude!
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2002 - 10:57pm PT
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"the owners of the flight found out and wanted to meet him. ....he fell off the falls trail in the dark past columbia point, or was he pushed?? "
WOW. i had heard the part of about the rescue (fell? pushed?). but did not know the "owners" wanted to meet him, nor that the rescue was a false alarm.
one other thing i always wondered... about a month after the gold, er green rush... kauk, sutton, burton and? bard? went and did a late winter ascent of the NA. was that just a way to get the hell outta dodge to avoid the ranger danger?
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 12:05am PT
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Look. Its time to really shut up now.
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Curious
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 01:28am PT
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So what's lynn hill have to do with it? - George
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minusafewbraincells
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 03:39am PT
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Yes, I do recall a somewhat kerosene like taste to that stuff. Did the trick though.
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...Dmnt
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 08:44am PT
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Um, no name?
What's with all the "Look. Its time to really shut up now."
You paranoid? Still expecting your bad juj-ju payback?
Or just plain stupid.
My guess is stupid, so shut the f*#k up; this is essential climbing history.
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Largo
Novice climber
Venice, Ca
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Nov 25, 2002 - 12:39pm PT
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Yo,
I wrote a pretty extensive bit on the whole shebang in a book entitled "Rock Jocks, wall rats and hang dogs," but have no idea if it's still in print. There's another article, called Bird's Boys, that details some of the fine points about the plane crash and weed fandango. I didn't know the "facts" abot the Dorn story related on this thread, but it sounds a bit sketchy to me--like an out take from the Godfather. But who knows. That was 25 years ago and things tend to get fogged over and embroidered as time goes by . . .
JL
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BP
Intermediate climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 02:39pm PT
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What the hell is noname talking about?
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 03:00pm PT
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I dunno-
but I'm shakin in my shoes over here!
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 05:18pm PT
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I think no name is Donny just trying to stir up trouble.
But come on old farts. More tales of yore..
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Demented
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 05:37pm PT
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J Elvis,
You wrote, "I wrote a pretty extensive bit ..yada yada....but have no idea if it's still in print. "
Now, help me out here but..doncha get royalty checks or sumsuch? Wouldn’t you know if pennies were still dribbling in from the proceeds of that book?
And P.S.- GREAT BOOK. I keep a copy near the throne for contemplative reading.
One thing I found glaring however; ALLl references to Rasta Tobacca had been scrubbed assiduously clean. Was it your editors forcing you to toe the PC line? Do you regret not painting the complete picture?
Knowing what life was like back then (and now), some of the stories lacked authenticity by said exclusion (such as~~ the description of a bivy complete with some “liquor filched from Dad’s liqueur cabinet??” come on… you were scrolling endless reefers during that and most other bivis…
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2002 - 05:56pm PT
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I heard a few years ago that the plane was actually owned by some drug baron named Jose Montoya and he was real pissed that a bunch of climbers cashed in on his goods. Apparently, he died having not achieved retribution and charged his son, Paco, with the task of seeking vengence on not only the perpetrators of the 'theft' but also on the entire Climbinati.
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ComeGetMe
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2002 - 01:11pm PT
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we're all anonymous here. I feel quite safe. And besides, why would Taco Paco waste his time on a bunch of climbers when the feds cause him infinitely more grief.
Goodness gracious, use a bit of reasoning.
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FREEthinker
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2002 - 05:16pm PT
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So- anonymous paranod dude- who shot JFK? and MLK? Was it the KKK? or the CIA? Who planned 9/11? What do you have to say about that? Or should we be careful online here, because we are so un-anonymous?
How very scary.
I think I'll go hide out in JTree.
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2002 - 05:31pm PT
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Anonymous Paranoid Dude - you must not know much about the way the interenet works. The only data this website can collect about you is the IP address you're posting from. That's it (so long as you aren't suing some POS MS browser or something.) Additionally, whoever you're worried about has to get ST to give them that info, and somehow I don't see Chris Mac jumping up to hand out that data to the drug folks. Even if they get it, it's damned near impossible to figure out who someone is with only their IP address to go on.
If even that's not enough security for you, go through an anonymizing web relay and you'll really be fine.
In short, don't worry about it.
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Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2002 - 05:35pm PT
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anonymous non-paranoid dude - while you are correct, agencies with tons more security than SuperTopo have taken hits.
anonymous paranoid dude - regardless, you are still paranoid.
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dick
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2002 - 05:46pm PT
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anonymous paranoid dude isn't paranoid. He's just trolling. Real climbers wouldn't be such chicken-shi#.
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jeremy
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2002 - 12:16am PT
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last summer at Tilden lakes I rescuued a plane load of porn stars. Well actually they turneed out to be an all women team returning from the thumb.
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eb
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2002 - 01:48am PT
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smokey has it right except jack called someone in that black book and tried to set up a meeting and the climbers were on YOSAR
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Blood
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2002 - 12:04pm PT
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I heard that the plane was flown by a family member of Yosemite's own Jose and that Chongo helped Jose's family get their black book back...setting Chongo up for the rest of his life with free Lodge Cafeteria food and laptops
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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I'm sitting here splitting a gut! Is this how it was really discussed back then? No wonder the loose facts turned into rumor turned into legend.
This is really great stuff
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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It is not what he/she/they are saying here. It is how it was said that is interesting. I looked at this page carefully and could not figure it out, unless the site has been hacked. If not it seems artful to me. :)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Maybe it's a test for the Sub-Forum Mission?
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Not mine though. I already tested. Did not look like this. I am suspecting buffer overflow attack. But really don't have time to look at this very closely.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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What's Buffer Overflow attack?
Hey ST forums are pretty funny these last few days. This thread looks dead, or at least asleep, though. I can't wait to see what arises out of 8,000ft erection study thread.....
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Yeah, in the northeast they call that sushi. In NASCAR country, bait.
Ah, sorry, forgot to answer your question. Typing (or usually pasting) many more characters into a field on a form than it was design to take (for example, when they set up their (?) login(s).
It is the basis for most worms, viruses, etc. The extra data ends up being part of the program, (overwriting valid parts of the program).
Look at the two Matt M's. One is real (hyperlinked), and the other is bogus. View, Source in the browser - but only if you know anything about HTML... :)
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Somewhere, CA
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The fictionalized story is worth digging up - just look around and dig up a copy of "Angels of Light" by "Jeff Long" ([edited]). It's a damn good read. It's out of print, but Amazon has it in the used section. No, it's not how the real crash went down (no pun intended), but whatever. It's the best you're going to get.
Forget the real story - who scored a bail of kerosene soaked weed in 1976 isn't something that anyone is going to offer up (at least the true details - though the bit about the black book is true if you look at the FBI records - those gangsters wanted it back from Dorn!). Sure, there's no way the fed's are going to do anything now (think of the embarassment factor - they lost a big score to some climber rats). However, it's not good to dig up actual names - people from then might have a real career now, or have children, or something that offers them redemption from years of Camp 4 hedonism.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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For those that haven't followed my thread "1977 Yosemite Plane Crash," (its on this board) I am researching not only the crash, but everything surrounding it. I personally knew the pilot and his wife. She and I are coauthoring a book on this event.
I knew what was going on with the plane, and for almost 30 years we were unaware of the climbers and their stories. So far I have interviewed almost two dozen people involved in this event. Climbers, people surrounding the plane, and people involved in the investigation.
Like most stories, the legends far out weigh the facts. A good example is making three flights per month for a number of years made the quanities of dope that people managed to find from this plane a drop in the bucket. Although in this case, there are some pretty interesting details regarding the crash, the investigation, and the climber's lives. In other words, this is a great story that needs to and will be told.
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JerryGarcia
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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will it be out by christmas?
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Nope, figure next Christmas though
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Lois, you are begining to see why a factual book on the subject is
needed. That is unless you or others would like to live thinking they know the subject inside and out based on 30 year old rumors. The amount of encouragement that I have received to date far out weighs the negative.
Stay tuned, because as it is said, "Now you'll hear the rest of the story"
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Chico
Trad climber
Mt. Shasta, CA
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This episode is powerful because it is essentially the American dirt bag climber's dream: ski touring in the sierra's...stumbling upon contraband...getting baked...stokin' out your friends...making money...buying new gear without having to work for it...sound good to you? Me too! I just wish it was me who found the "pay load".
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Lot of very funny stories have surface. And where there is myth, it will either be bebunked or confirmed.
Yeah, the drugs are the central focus for a few, but there is a lot more than the drugs for the rest. The stories are really great, and many may not have become rich, but they sure did learn some of life's lessons in the process. There are a bunch of very wise people out there now.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Lois, Raw nerve?- if you were a dirtbag climber™ in thar era (my college transcripts prove I wasn't, BTW)and all of a sudden ganja/mana from heaven rained on you, possibly changing your life, even if for just a while, how much would you want those facts looked into? No matter how good a story it was, and what fond memories you might hold?
Can't see the shetland ponies for the, perceived, Zebras.
Okay, take me out and shoot me now.
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Somewhere, CA
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So Licky is really the GHOST OF THE PILOT AND IS OUT TO GET REVENGE!!! DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE!!!???!!!
Btw, if you had stolen the remains of someone's relative's large plane full of drugs, would you actually talk/meet/not-totally-fear this person? Just a thought...
Anyway, looking forward to Licky's version of the book. JL's version is great. Stalone's movie was TERRIBLE! Your turn...
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Thanks Mr. T. What we'll be telling is not the rumor turned legend. I feel I'm repeating myself here for those that haven't scrolled from top to bottom.
Some of the smoke that has been blown (no pun intended) regarding the circumstances surrounding this crash and the plane have been enough for Hollywood to generate a sequel every year. Not to mention the literary efforts of those that...well, lets just say, weren't there.
Again, stay tuned for NEWS...
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Wonder
climber
WA
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i would listen to smokey and eb. their the only ones who got any thing right. the story does not have an ending. when you lit it, it up in flanes: soked in plane fuel.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Damn, I was in the Valley at the time and was tempted to go up there too. Never did though. Don't know if that was a good decision or bad. I remember hearing about it (dining in the Mountain Room) shortly after the event, but I didn't have the gear to get up there. There was quite a buzz (no pun intended) around Camp 4 at the time though, though there weren't that many people around, mainly SAR people. Licky, on the thread you started I already posted what very, very little I knew (or did I e-mail you, I can't remember).
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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LOL. Hey old man. You can find the old thread with the search button. Then you can edit, find "Patrick Sawyer". So you no longer need to rely on your memory.
And really this is just the hacker experimental thread. LMAO and wishing it was I who figured out how to post like that.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 21, 2017 - 05:36pm PT
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Out by next Christmas...
hell will freeze long before Licky comes thru on his promise.
Frankly, that dope wasn't really very good & by today's standards it sucked.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Dec 21, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
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"Angels of Light" by "Jeff Long" is available on abe.com for like $4.00 including shipping. Just ordered a copy out of curiosity. Licky, it's been a looooooong time coming.
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