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waltereo
climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 22, 2010 - 11:36pm PT
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Hi,
Why the rubber on the climbing shoe is black ?
Companies should invent add white colorant so the shoes wont't
burn our feet on summer !
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reddirt
climber
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Mar 22, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
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why is tire rubber black
go climb w/ boatshoes?
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waltereo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2010 - 11:48pm PT
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seriously, why they cannot make the rubber white ?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Mar 22, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
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I half-hearted tried to search for an older model (late 90's) climbing shoe made by Boreal or Scarpa called the Endo (Indo)--it was a black slipper with white climbing rubber for indoor gym use.
It did not stay on the market long...
Pictures anybody from old ads or other on these "black sheep" shoes?
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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simple, white rubber made for climbng shoes is prone to oxidation. . .
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:34am PT
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They used to make them--
Paragots, a French shoe (as in Robert Paragot). They looked a bit like RRs, but were a soft shoe, like an EB, but with a wider last. I bought a pair off of a French climber in C4 in 81.
Great shoe, for the period, much better than my EBs.
They didn't have oxidation problems.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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“why is tire rubber black”
Because white skid marks would just create too many lanes in a devolving world??? Sorry… it must be me ale-ment speaking… :)
Remember those old 5.10 shoes (Micros????) with a half-sole of black sticky rubber, and rands and a heel of slippery green rubber? I think Coz sold me a pair of ‘em in the C4 parking lot… No wonder he wanted to sell them. Hey, they worked well for bouldering at the time!
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scuffy b
climber
Where only the cracks are dry
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Mar 23, 2010 - 11:33am PT
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That Boreal shoe of the late 90s was called the Indo Azul.
I had a pair. They wouldn't leave marks. That was their best
point. It was almost like going back to the bad old days as
far as performance was concerned.
The only white rubber I thought was reasonably sticky was the outer layer
of the toe rand on Converse All-Stars.
That stuff wouldn't meet modern standards, though.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
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While on some long RR route my wife asked me the same thing as our feet were baling in the sun.
I think there is a thread about that here.
Prod.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
CA
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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Change the color of the compound,
and change the properties of the compound.
How sticky the rubber is, is such a wavy line,
Kamet in Spain had the stickiest rubber in the worls for a while,
it was because they carefully managed the cooling rate of the rubber.
Charles Cole of 5.10, one of the smartest people in the climbing business,
developed an ultra long molecule that fostered Stealth, then I wont write the details, but by pure chance, he discovered C4.
so to suggest sombody add enough of something else in the mix to make the things white, is to ask for them to be less sticky.
a good point is brought up though, temerature does affect deflection of shoe rubber.
if you need to stand on dimes, keep your shoes in the shade till you start the climb, and if you are smearing and hoping for random interlock on large crystals, put the soles in a sun facing position before you start.
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waltereo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2010 - 12:20pm PT
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I'll paint my shoe's rand in white since that is the part that is exposed to the sun !
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Nate D
climber
San Francisco
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Mar 24, 2010 - 02:17pm PT
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My old black Aces burned my feet so bad in the sun. I think I once put white climbing tape all over the top to try and deflect some heat.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 24, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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The worst shoe idea ever was that old La Sportiva Tao. The entire shoe was jet black. Death in the sun. What were they thinking? I took a pair of those up to Tahquitz one day and ended up doing Dave's Deviation barefoot. It was that or burned feet or not climbing (which of course was not an option.)
Charles Cole (5.10) made a nice edging shoe with green rands. This must have been around 1988...
Here they are on an ascent of Charle's Josh classic Sexy Sadie.
Air voyager on 1/4" bolt, check. Red Balaklava for neck warmth, check. Grammicci lightning bolt pants, priceless...
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Binks
Social climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 03:21pm PT
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Obviously you're not an entrepreneur waltero. Otherwise, you'd have kept your mouth shut and developed a business to sell these shoes (or designed them and sold them to an existing company).
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 24, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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Yup, those are the shoes, Kris. I miss my lightning bolt shorts too! In high school, the other kids thought that they were boxer shorts and one day during lunchtime, one guy tried to “pants” me. Didn’t work because they ain’t boxers!
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climbingcoastie
Ice climber
Sacramento, CA
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I seen a pair of Paragot white rubber shoes at a thrift store. Looks like they've never been used. Are they worth anything to anyone?
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F10
Trad climber
Bishop
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I remember climbing on GPA in the Valley wearing EB's and having my toes cooking, thinking why don't they make climbing shoes with some white rubber over the toes ??
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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I always preferred blacck rubber.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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YEAAAH! Sactown in the Houuuse!
climbingcoastie, what size were they??
KSolem, That's one great shot Charlie Crist got of you.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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nathanael
climber
CA
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The climbing hold company So iLL started making some shoes with colored rubber. I don't think they've finished production so there's not much info on if the rubber actually measures up to the best of Vibram of 5.10's offerings.
http://soillholds.com/collections/climbing-shoes
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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sign me up for a pair...if they get it sorted out.
Here's a pic of my heel after a few pitches in Red Rock on Solar Slab.
I was a n00b to climbing but being a n8v to Vegas(and used to playing in the heat) I had no idea the sun would burn me through my shoes like that.....live and learn.
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climbingcoastie
Ice climber
Sacramento, CA
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Blueblocr,
I didn't look at the size, but know they were quite a bit smaller than my 10.5 foot. I didn't realize someone would want to wear them, thought they would just be part of a collection. I'll swing by there in the next couple of days and check.
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climbingcoastie
Ice climber
Wasilla, AK
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Jun 11, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
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Can't find a size on the shoe, but they are around the same as a size 5 or 6.
Not sure if that helps.
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 11, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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damn big bee that's...
f*#king disgusting
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 21, 2017 - 01:11pm PT
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Paragot climbing shoes
Du you know the name behind the letters A.G.?
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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May 21, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
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Boreal aces, once tho shyt! I love full rand, but dang that rand gets hot!
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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May 21, 2017 - 05:33pm PT
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I spent several years in rubber related R&D.
I never buy shoes with non-black rubber.
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craig morris
Trad climber
la
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May 21, 2017 - 06:26pm PT
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I would smear chalk on my toe rand and heal at belays and it seemed to help. then just wipe it off before climbing. is there any reason not to do this?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 21, 2017 - 11:07pm PT
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Mouse
Thanks. Robert Paragot it was. But A.G?
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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May 21, 2017 - 11:11pm PT
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whitte rubber on climbing shoe OP=RACIST
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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May 22, 2017 - 04:52am PT
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"Incorporated?" in the German vernacular? Quien sabe?
BIOTCH = FARCIST
--Gumbie
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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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May 22, 2017 - 06:41am PT
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The rental shoes at Pipeworks gym have white sole rubber....
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Alan Rubin
climber
Amherst,MA.
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May 22, 2017 - 08:35am PT
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Then Boston area climber Paul Duval had a small climbing import/sales business in the late '70s/early '80s and used to stock Paragots, so a few of us tried them out and liked them. In the pre-Fire era they were the stickiest shoes available and, if I recall correctly, were quite comfortable. For a brief period they were my 'go to' shoes, especially for smearing, but then Fires arrived!!!! While I really know nothing about rubber technology, I can understand that altering the color will likely effect performance in other ways, but given the good qualities of the Paragots I imagine that with sufficient experimentation a high performance modern white rubber sole is possible. However, in terms of heat management, it does seem that the 'uppers' are usually more the 'culprit' than the soles.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 22, 2017 - 11:33am PT
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Mouse
A.G is hardly AG, which is in English CO, and should in French be SA. I expect A.G to be a name/firm.
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okie
Trad climber
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May 22, 2017 - 11:58am PT
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I remember Paragots. A minor improvement on the EB that quickly became eclipsed by the appearance of the Fire.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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May 22, 2017 - 07:00pm PT
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I remember checking out a pair of climbing shoes that had white rubber soles and that was 15 years ago or so and I believe they were made by Boreal. The Five Ten rental shoes we have at the gym have red rubber soles. Butora makes a white rubber shoe that I have seen as rentals at the rock Gyms. Climb NuLu in Louisville KY has them.
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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May 22, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
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Is it possible that black rubber absorbs energy better than white at an atomic level? Thermodynamics experiments about black body radiation show that black materials absorb and retain thermal energy better than white ones do. Can this absorption of energy by black rubber account for its "stickyness" and improve traction? One thing is sure, mechanical energy is converted to thermal energy via friction, during footwork. When I had Miuras soled with 5.10 rubber, I used to dribble water from my nalgene onto the leather tops at each belay to keep my feet cool. The anasazi velcro didnt absorb water so my feet baked. My TC pros are kinda hot. The best shoes of all times were Acopas. Lotsa leather so good on hot days.
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