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Joe
Social climber
Santa Cruz Mountains/Los Gatos
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I like it Beth. call them on it.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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I'll fire up a barbecue with the best of them, but a sausagefest...not good.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there joe, say, just a "side note", as i just peeked in here and happened to notice where you were from/or climbed at...
say:
say your "icon" mentioned santa cruz mountains and los gatos...
our family grew up "trekking/enjoying" those areas... we loved it so very much...
god bless...
(back to flouride's thread--just loved the mountains and coast there, flouride, so i stepped in real fast for that... )...
:)
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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You're not a witch Flouride, don't know who'd say such a thing but it's not true. I appreciate your contributions.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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its scary but it seems to me that many men on this site really hate women.
Juan pulled his post it looks like.
I've witnessed quite a misogynist tendency by a few here also,particularly from the same group of "progressives".
Not quite sure whats up with that..
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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There are more female posters than you might think, and far more lurkers.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Sorry if I've been hard on you TGT . . . your posts can be a bit effete, but I thought you were a guy . . .
And please document the progressive / misogynist correlation, I'm kinda' tired of the usual right-wing "seems like" = fact/reality.
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Most people here think I'm a dude. Just like most people think everyone on here is straight, and probably white as well. So maybe a lot of the people you think are males are actually females?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Well, I guess you could grow a kick stand...
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
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GD, name 'em.
In the past there have been great female climbing chicks here. But you gotta admit, there are WAY few more today than in the past.
Seriously. Other than L & TR, there isn't a whole lot of participation.
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pip the dog
Mountain climber
planet dogboy
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i'd be sad if you were to leave, Flouride. i rather like your posts. and L's.
there are of course small minded, angry people who can do no more than rage and insult, among us. quel surprise... me, i just skip such posts (and the obviously angry political and _way_ OT threads in general). that and i find my [PgDn] key works wonders (and that i have mentioned this rather a lot of late.)
there is much outstanding stuff posted here -- it's just that you (and me) have to pause a moment to seek it out.
i myself believe that the most, and certainly the best, of those who post here are not misogynists, nor angry morons. you've just gotta be selective and skip past the poop (including mine) on threads that inspire you.
^,,^
(and recognize that "witch" is a compliment -- even if the twerp who spat it at you didn't know that. for at least a millennia, 'witch' was the word used for really smart, really independent women. take it as such -- then perhaps have compassion for the moron who launched it at you. that and think [PgDn] key...)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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"Seriously. Other than L & TR, there isn't a whole lot of participation."
Considering I practically live here, that stings a little bit!
It's true that there are women here posting under the radar. I have met some. They purposefully choose usernames that aren't gender specific, and they make an effort not to give themselves away. For the most part, it's because they either don't want to pandered to - they want their posts to stand on the merit of the post itself - or they don't want to be hit on behind the scenes. There are other reasons too, of course.
While I don't doubt there are some women who have "gone away" because it can get ugly here, and the misogyny(which absolutely can be seen in a small number of posters). But whom among us hasn't encountered that type out in 3-D?
For sure it's a bit frightening to see it being acted out. Scary, understanding that the anger sometimes seen here...well, I don't know about anyone else, but I have had men on the sidewalk tell me they could "rape me and no one would care," "slit my f*#king c#&% throat" and other pretty psychotic things. When you have that kind of stuff go down.... it's pretty harsh to see i here. Even in milder forms, even through the safety of a monitor. I guess the good news is that one can make a mental note to stay away from such users if they come across them at the crags.
I don't think telling "the guys" that "if they want women around, they have to...." will do much good, sorry to say. People are people. Supertopo is an organic experience. It is what it is, and though it does morph through stages, that isn't really within our ability to control.
Frabkly - I haven't felt a need to go away, even in the few times when I have had a people ganging up against me. And I have a pretty traumatized background. Maybe that actually comes in handy, because some of the stuff I see going down here(misogynistic prattle, loutish remarks, objectification, and my personal pet peeve: the elevation of photshopped "beauty" to that of an expected standard) doesn't seem very dangerous to me.
But yeah - I have made notes of guys I wouldn't let near me outside of crowded situations in events like a SushiFest or Facelift or whatever. Women too, to be honest(though not here on Supertopo).
I encourage women who aren't posting to participate. I hope they will.
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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I sure like having you around Flouride, along with L and and Ana and Em and Karen and JTM and Paulina etc, etc. Makes things smell fresher and just plain feels mo betta.
Edit: And of course our very own Happiegirl!
-Here'sJelloToYa!
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apogee
climber
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"I've witnessed quite a misogynist tendency by a few here also,particularly from the same group of "progressives"."
Hooooly shite....that's an amazing load of Krap®, even for you, TGT. Shall I post up one of the all-time scummiest misogynistic slurs ever posted here on ST by one of your well-known Repug cohorts?
No, I won't do that. Just do us all a favor, put the crackpipe down, willya?
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WBraun
climber
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Fluoride
You do complain a lot here.
Are you a closet complainer? Maybe it's from your job and carries over to here?
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
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Awwww thank you Jello.
And I wish I had Werner's golden existence. My life would probably be much happier if I lived in the Valley,.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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"Do you really want nothing but guys posting here"..?
No, please!!!!!!
I respect most if not all the women who post here. There are a couple I don't understand, but, that's only because I have limited capacity to even understand people in general anymore.
Lady's have to be thoughtful, speak truth to jackass's who call names.
Personally, I don't have the time to get into it with these weak sauced male jackoff's.
If it were their forum.. what would it be? Dick waving?.. lots of dick waving.
The one thing I think needs to happen is more TR's from the ladies of this forum. I've only seen a few posted, many of you flouride, but few others. Where's crimpergirl climbing these days? Happigirl climbing? Who Kuan? Skip is always fun to see mid-climb.
Oh, wait... it's frickin winter.. nevermind that..
but yeah, I'd like to see some of the ladies doing TR's, no matter how strong or weak they are.
Hey, ladies.. If you go climbing.. and you take pictures... post'em up with a story. It gives me a chance to armchair travel (in my mind), and see beautiful women doing something I love to do.. (they make it look a whole lot better than I ever could, that's for sure)
Nevermind that A-Holes that post after your comments. Don't take it personal. Just call them on their tinni-penni and move on if they get to you. You could mention that when you met them at that one crag, and they behaved so like chimps, you kinda knew they were unable to control themselves in any real form.
SIU - Suck it up - get past the shitttheads that prowl this site..... you have too much to offer to get hung up on tini-peni's.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Everyone calls everyone else names! To say that you are being called names because you are female is ludicrous.
It's the internet - grow a thicker skin. The reason people jumped all over you for suggesting separate forums for different stuff, is because it had been suggested about FIVE THOUSAND TIMES already, and everyone here knows nothing has been done about it, and never will, because the free-for-all format seems to work. So people were annoyed that you were attempting to beat a dead horse.
For what it's worth, I have asked for years that there be two forums, one for climbing stuff, and one for non-climbing stuff, but have grudgingly come to agree it's better as it is.
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Don't forget these Lovely Women..
Happiegrrl and Teddy
Pewf
Lynne L.
LuckyPink
Maculated
Reddirt
Tami
eKat
neebee
Crimpergirl
Jennie
Christa
Sarah funky Fresh
Melissa
Miss Julienne
Hossjulia
Kuan
Irma l.
Tracy..Beatrix K
Cleo
Suze
Sherri
Crusher
Domingo
Jan
Inhisfootsteps
Valygrl
Kate
Cyndiebransford
Zeta
Runner and Shadow
Lolli
Lacey
Sullly
Tradchick
Karla
Lissiehoya
CynthiaL
susu
Jilli
Michelle
Oblio
Amy
Anne Marie Rizzi
Denise Umstot..thanks Joey
Jobee..thanks Andy T.
Blackbird....thanks SteveW
CarolynC.. thanks eKat
Daphne and Aya..thanks Lois
Indianclimber, yosguns, , holdplease2, Matisse, Hollyclimber..
Justthemaid.. JTM was mentioned..........Thanks Ghost..
Anna(stasia) & Karen mentioned..
Em, mentioned
t*r, memtioned
L, mentioned
Mimi..thanks Leb
and others
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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And you Nita!
I was going to do a "Taco Belles" thread a few weeks ago but forgot to start it. Maybe we should.
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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And you, of course Nita, one of the fairest in the land.
-Jello
Ohh, and by the way LEB, I don't really mind you being around so much. I could get by without you, but I just pass over your stuff noww that doesn't interest me. And you are right about health care...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, flouride, the thread is growing now... :)
say, i remember when i first met you online:
if i remember right, you were concerned for your friend that was so badly injured....
that is one of the most loyal and sweet things a that anyone can do for another....
this place needs gals like you and such here...
it helps folks get well, and it helps others grow, while they watch the fruits of care, take hold and grow, and spraed to other hearts, giveing out even MORE life and love to many....
:)
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Hooray for the ladies of super taco.
They seem to have lots more class than us men. . .
Nita, Flouride, L, Crimpie, and others are all AWESOME. . .
and don't forget BlackBird and eKat!!!!!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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it is just a weeding out process, we do not want to climb with girls, we depend on the belayer to be a woman who spits tabaccy and swears like a sailor.
see, if there is a body in the brush, they might have to carry it out, so we need the buffed out hard core types that swear more than we do when there in the beauty parlor gettin a bee hive perm while reading sports illustrated and chewing gum. got it?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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And don't forget indianclimber, yosguns, justthemaid, holdplease2, matisse, hollyclimber...
And those are just the ones I can think of right off.
Edit: And anastasia
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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the ladies are gettin a little soft these days,
most of the women i remember from the sixties smoked pall malls and drank old fashions or barcardis all night. then they would drive us kids home, completely dui, i mean were talkin about blowin a .12 before the start the car, no seat belts, a stumblin in the door, they just don't make em like that anymore.
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pip the dog
Mountain climber
planet dogboy
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Pate:
> Climbing is a men's club and always has been. Men have always
> outnumbered women and always will.
true on the former, but it's the "and always will" part that gave me pause. are you so sure about that part?
my pal's 19 year old daughter (my god-daughter, yeah, me - the atheist) hasn't wiffed on a .12 or WI5 in a couple years now. perhaps she's a mutant, but i suspect not. she's 5'2" and weighs at most 105bs. and she has more than once made me look old and foolish. whether you could keep up with her is for you to contemplate.
~~~
but more to the point, do you really want the "and always will" part of your post to prove true? do you want a men's club, or a climber's club?
just askin'
^,,^
(pisser that LEB pushed in a post while i was typing my first -- as i took pride in never having posted on the same thread as LEB. guess i need to find a new yardstick. sheesh...)
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Flouride-
What coz said. sometimes this place seems like a high school locker room, but that is the chaff talking, not the wheat.
don't let the a**holes drive you away. you have to have a thick skin here, of that there is no doubt. there are people here that don't play nice; pretty much like life. but they are outweighed by people that care. just gotta give the negatives a pass and move on to the good.
my first post on the Taco got positive response from Tar, Jello and several other taconers. i was amazed that such legends would even pay me the time of day. theres good people here that care and support; don't let the jerks get to you.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Or a sauslagfest?
Now everyone will dogpile me for inflicting horrible puns on the world of SuperTopo.
OK, nothing to add to what's already been said. I enjoy the contributions of most (except most of those from she who must not be named), wish people could be more civil, and get tired of ranting to do with political, social, and religious matters. Intelligent and polite discussion regarding the latter topics is tolerable, if clearly identified as such. Hopefully as we approach the equinox and beyond, we'll see more climbing stuff.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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I like Jan's posts.
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pip the dog
Mountain climber
planet dogboy
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Mighty Hiker:
> Or a sauslagfest?
huh? couldn't babel (or equiv) that one. pls send etyomology.
> Now everyone will dogpile me for inflicting horrible puns on the world
> of SuperTopo.
my species have already filed a class action suit for the "dogpile" part.
but i haven't signed on, nor will i. for your posts absolutely tower, at least in these parts.
though don't slight the dogpile until you've actually tried one. (la woof!)
sauslagfest? cwazy vikings...
^,,^
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Thankfully this place isn't as bad as the hot springs.
Many a time I and the other sausages have cooked ourselves until shriveled, waiting and hoping that the next vehicle will deliver an order of good eggs, but alas it seemed to always be another package of gassy jimmy deans.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Wanda-
Thanks! I was interested to see that no one thought to mention me as a woman in all their lists up above. In fact several people have referred to me as "he" in the past and been corrected. Perhaps the result of working all my life in another old boy's club -academia- so that I sound male most of the time.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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You're welcome Jan.
I too have been mistaken for the opposite gender because of the feminine sounding avatar I adopted, but I have attempted to rectify that with the intensely masculine image above my name.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Jobee
Social climber
The Portal
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Can't take any of this stuff too seriously it's a forum for god's sake, open to opinion and critique.
So what if there's a bunch of guys writing currently, that too will change.
Calling threads "a sausagfest", holy cow, you've just reeled yourself right into the frying pan!
Let it go.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Beth, most of the outdoor sports I'm into are sausagfests, the ratio of men to women is overwhelming. It is what it is.....
Some of us here in Topoland just need to post up more, me included, but truthfully a lot the threads do not hold much interest for me, especially the political or religious ones (do like the goofy/drama ones though). I'd post up some climbing TR's but its ski season for me and I am sparing you all and not doing so.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I hope not, but if it is I hope it's because people are climbing too much to be interested in much of what is discussed here.... male and female people both.
I have enjoyed meeting many people in real life through the climbing connection here, both in climbing and in non-climbing situations. The really unfortunate aspect of avatars as identities and hastily written thoughts are that there are few personal consequences to being an as#@&%e... and so easy to write something thoughtlessly that makes it apparent.
In a social situation in "3-D" (as happie says) there are a large number of civil conventions that have been learned over literally millions of years of social interaction. Perhaps it is liberating to shed those conventions and let it all hang out in the Forum. The only real consequence is that people stop participating.
I know quite a few of you, and I've enjoyed sharing time out climbing, or in climbing situations... and I value the fact that I can reach you through the STForum. It would be a bummer if the place lost that particular aspect of interacting.
My experience with web stuff also is that you cannot assume it will last forever, or even very long. We all act like this has been happening since the invention of the written word, but actually it's all happened relatively recently. STForum was a special place because of the people who posted to it... it still has some of that magic.
Topics get raised that people feel passionate about, both climbing topics and non-climbing topics. Perhaps not so oddly the urge to utilize ad hominem arguments instead of agreeing that someone else might have a legitimate point wins out. When pushed to that sort of argument, the arguer will use anything to discredit their opponent, including gender stereotypes... it's all so sad, but perfectly understandable.
Anyway, the tone of the discussions has changed, the frequency of non-climbing threads has gone up, and I don't know if it will change since it is harder and harder to justify doing the work to share an adventure when you know that most of the energy people put into posting here is not to share their excellent adventure but to explain for the nth time why someone else is "corrupt and dishonest" or "completely wrong." Politics can be an adventure too, but by-and-large the politics engaged in here is analogous to the worst arm-chair mountaineering drivel that could be imagined, and certainly not tolerable if written in the same manner, but about climbing.
This is intended to be a "Climber's Forum," which is not to say it is only to be about climbing, but it would be great if there were actually climbers posting, and that sometime this posting was related to climbing... which can cover a broad range of interests, indeed.
As Richard said, I can have many conversations on many of these same topics with people who are not climbers, the frequency with which I can have a conversation with climbers, and some very accomplished ones, here on SuperTopo is unlike anything else I have experienced. It would be a great loss to me not to have that opportunity. An regrettable if it was because the tone of the Forum made it uninteresting to other climbers.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Flo-Rida
I think Nita did a good enough job of it. I'd say the percentage of females posting here is equivalent to real life. Sure, it'd be cool if there were more, but I think that there is more to someone's identity. Domingo I seem to remember from way back saying she was indeed a 'she,' but in many of her very interesting and topical posts and discussions it doesn't come up. Just like how on many discussions or posts the fact that I am white doesn't come up, or someones Age.
Relax and let identity be defined by your actions and the things you say. Maybe not have so many threads trying to bring things down around you, try to bring people up instead.
ps - As far as being underrepresented, I know where y'all comin' from. I was one of two male members of the womens volleyball team in high school - Title IX yo!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I was one of two male members of the womens volleyball team in high school - Title IX yo!
Which reminds me of winning the men's open category in the only climbing comp I ever entered. Didn't matter that I would have won even if I'd fallen from the first hold, cuz I was the only man present. It was in a friend's home gym. Most of the 25 or so women there would have beaten me easily if it had been a true open comp, but I wasn't gonna complain.
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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So, one day in the mid-nineties I stood up to give a climbing class at Foothill College. Class was full, even a waiting list.
Bright-eyed n00bs every one, eager to get into it. Gotta love 'em.
Suddenly it hit me: half of them were women. Well, some girls but you get what I'm saying. Times had changed, for good.
Then it further hit me that the aspirants were also a full racial spectrum of the town, Mountain View.
I was temporarily speechless. We had come so far. Someone gently reminded me to get on with it.
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Binks
Social climber
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I don't really care who posts here. Men, women, dogs, cats, space aliens whatever. Are women really too sensitive for this forum and have been driven off? I don't think so. I think it just does not interest them here as much as it does the men. Forums dominated by women tend to focus primarily on relationships.
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adam d
climber
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DR, I had a similar experience directing an outdoor education program at a NY university. Out of the student staff members who were psyched to get out climbing and learn more, as well as the students who enrolled in open ice and rock climbing courses, women were over 50% and sometimes up to 80% of the participants.
As for the makeup of the climbing community, the only thing you can count on is that it will change.
Another thought on climber male/female interactions around both the virtual and real world campfire...
I recall a raucous campfire in Hidden Valley with a bunch of guys and a few ladies recounting the climbs of the day and the past. When the numbers and egos got too much one woman stood up and said (I wish I remembered the exact quote) something to the effect of "if you all are just going to sit around measuring your dicks I'm out of here"
I don't think a line like that would have quite the same effect on ST as it did under the stars.
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hooblie
climber
from where the anecdotes roam
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dubious methodology to drag out that list of women presuming they tolerate this bs as if it supports the claim that it's tolerable.
like the inverse of the joke, in of all places "boy's life" magazine that went:
this is a can of elephant repellent.
"but this isn't elephant country."
so it works, huh
not to make light of the situation. we should be hoping to attract, in addition, the folks of either gender who hold fairplay as a qualifier.
it literally turns my stomach what's going on here, and reminds me that time has only partially cleansed my memory
of the repugnant elements that were part of C4 too ... pillory pending i suppose.
same as it ever was ... a few impeding progress, the price paid by all
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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As for the makeup of the climbing community, the only thing you can count on is that it will change. For those who use makeup, that is. Apart from sunscreen, and an occasional Canadian flag decal, not me.
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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I think Stzzo hit the nail on the head with these lines..
"ST hasn't become a "sausage fest". Climbing has always been predominately male.
What ST has become is rude, insensitive, etc. Understandable that you're inclined to avoid."
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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I like the fact that the women who post here are willing to call sh^t on someone and any number of fine gentlemen will step up and back them up and it goes away. Not like when the boys decide to let go and let go and let go ....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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"take a walk on the wild side..."
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Austin, Texas
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yES. bRING ON the womens.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Why care if some random anonymous poster calls you some random name, or doesn't understand sarcasm?
They are just showing they are idiots.
Don't rise to the troll.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Wow after reading the long lists of names of all the amazing women (oops, I meant Wopeople) who participate here it is apparent that it is less a sausagefest as it is an Oyster bar.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Flouride - At the risk of insulting you - I'm taking offense to your words in the post up a few.
Going back to your first post, you refer to a group of "about five," and name yourself and one other as apparently amongst them. Then you write "I'm talking women who CLIMB!! Who climb and share....here"
Talk about a dick stick! I will only speak for myself(but can't help feel other women might feel the same). But I guess mine doesn't measure up the the yardstick you're holding(hey - go big!).
It's true - I'll never be a climber like Kate. Or any of the other women who really go get it or have gone down in history. Just like the majority of guys who post here on ST will never be at Bachar's level(to name just one of many, and sort of in ode to his recent passing).
Many of the women mentioned throughout this thread are also at various levels, but won't be Lynn Hills.
We still climb!
F*#k!
That bears repeating. F*#K!
"....knew it would not end well."
How has that been the case? For one, it's not "ended," and for two - what's "not well" within the posts that have come up? What would a "good ending" be?
I think you're seeing what you want in the responses here.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Jaybro....
HAhahahahhahahaahaahhaaha
Prod.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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So Pate - I agree that there simply "are" more men than women who climb(at any level). Though, here at the Gunks, we have a fair number of women - probably a pretty high ratio of women to men, and also women who lead to men who lead. If I had to guess without even really trying, I would say maybe 40% of the people I see on the sharp end on a nice in-season weekend might be women.
When you tale the number of "all" climbing men, in comparison to "the climbing men who get it done"(FA's, and I suppose routes that require an above average commitment level) - what ratio would you go at for that? What percent of "all male climbers" are the ones who "get it done?"
And one other question - though not directed at you, Pate, but just something that's occurred to me. Why is it that men who climb seem to be considered "climbers" regardless of how sharp their end of the rope is, yet unless a woman has a tick list of FA's or can outperform 90% of the guys from her local crag, is she considered to be a "wingman?"
I AM a climber. I am also a woman. I even have one puny FA on lead, one decent FA as a second, and one "in an FA party." I would love to get out and do more. I enjoy the unknown, more than a lot of guys do.
And I actually LIKE sausage. The thing is - if it's left out too long it gets rancid. Nothing worse than rotten pig meat.
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okie
Trad climber
San Leandro, Ca
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The ratio hasn't changed? Remember when there was about one female for every one-hundred dudes? I do. I think most of us prefer it the way it is now...
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Bada-bing-bada-bong....
Hey Stzzo, I still have your bowl, hope to see you at this years facelift to claim it;-)
Missed camping with you last year.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this thread. But just know, getting called bitches for expressing our thoughts is not cool.
So, does mean we now welcome Lois here?? I mean, she is a chic who expresses her opinion. Even gets flamed for it.
I'm all for more chix with opinions....
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jstan
climber
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The list of women posting here actually got pretty long. Complaints were made about something that puzzles me also. This myth that one can say and do anything on the internet as long as you remain anonymous.
Someone who stands up and is whatever they need to be, that I can relate to. The other? Seems kind of limp.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2010 - 11:55am PT
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Tami...you are one of the BEST people on this site...so many laughs from so many perspectives. I adore you and all of your posts.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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climber chicks rock...nuff said...
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2010 - 12:22pm PT
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Bluering, it doesn't climb.
Please don't include those that don't climb.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Honestly Fluoride, until you posted your avatar pic I didn't know what gender you were nor did I care. Now that I've seen your (hubba, hubba) pics I can't imagine anyone calling you a witch. Unless they caught you brewing love potions in a cauldren. haha Sorry our cyber family is a little dysfunctional. But we love ya lady!
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2010 - 12:37pm PT
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Aw thanks Philo. Wasn't going looking for it in this thread.
I really only started this thread in response to the "L" attack thread. She's an amazing woman and did not deserve that.
But seriously, there's not very many women who post here anymore. I'm talking ones who CLIMB (hint, non-trolls).
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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climbing chicks are cool...
Hanna on the Piz Badile
Professional dancer and climber Paris Wages on Hogwash
Little girl on the dike route
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zeta
Trad climber
Berkeley
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hey!
i'm a girl who climbs! and i post! though not all the time...I've learned to stay away from:
-flaming threads--because they go too far
-political threads--they go on forever and it's the same people posting the same stuff
-and i don't respond to threads with pics that offend/piss me off
that said, this ST place somehow sucked me in...i lurked for a long time reading other people's posts before i ever got around to posting...i spend WAY too much time on this site--in fact my first reaction to the 'diss thread' was that it was about climbers suffering while trying to write a dissertation (like me!) but then i found it was just another thread about dissing people...
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Any time you suggest that there is misogyny here, many will shout you down and tell you that there is none.
I feel like my only choices are to ignore it and focus on the people that are above it or decide that there is not enough value left here to justify participating in something that offends my core values.
Of the list that nita made, I'd love to meet nearly all of those women. They seem like genuinely nice people. A big % are here for a social reason that has little to do w/ climbing though, so I'd agree that it's not always the best place to look for sister-psyche. Although, I think the guys often feel this way about their counterparts here too.
The Lord Slime thread has given me some fresh nostalgia for the days of rec.climbing. Every one of the women that posted there that I can think of was intelligent, self-respecting, and could handle herself on the sharp end of a rope. And to that I could add that the men over there on the whole treated women as peers to the extent that we earned it. We were held to a standard, and generally tried to conduct ourselves accordingly, I think. It made me a better climber. Maybe I've idealized my memories a bit, but it really was a cool time.
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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"In any group of one hundred men you'll have 5 or 10 second tier sub-males who have no hope of currying the favor of the opposite sex. They understand this deep down and so gather together in small groups and hump one anothers' legs whilst they reassure themselves of their climbing superiority."
Gads DMT--you make me laugh!!!
Beth, you are such an awesome chik, climber and friend! But I said it all in Edzilla, so won't repeat it here.
Happi, Beth's reason for posting this thread was Graniteclimber's ENTIRE WHITE-TRASH ENTITLED THREAD dedicated to "burning me at the stake"--her oversite of your name and climbing accomplishments was not intentional, believe me.
Her point was, and this is important...there are things happening on this site which are not acceptable to a "climbing community". People have been banned for what most of us consider unacceptable behavior--banned. So all of this "it's a guys' club so just buck-up" is pure rhetorical nonesense. That wasn't her point.
So tell me--have you seen Crimpie post a TR lately? Hmmm? Even a post in response to something is rare for her these days. Do you know why? Do you know what certain kinds of harassment do to women of any intellect at all? Hmmm? Do you know why there are LAWS against certain kinds of harassment in every area of our society today?
Crimpie doesn't want to be treated like fragile china. I don't want to be treated like fragile china, nor does Beth or most of the women who post here. We don't climb because it's a "parlor room bridge club" sort of deal, fergodsake!
But we DO want respect...and there isn't a person on this site that doesn't know what respect means. (Even you, Locker! ;-)) Graniteclimber did not respect me, and I was able to absorb and get over it. But I shouldn't have to do that...not in my community.
That's one of the reasons I've been teasing LEB about her HowWeirdDean duplicity--I felt it wasn't respectful to this community to lie multiple times in each and every post, to attempt to discredit the people who saw through her masquerade. (Don't argue about this Lois--ST management knows that HowWeirdDean and LEB post from the SAME IP address...that means the SAME computer...that means the SAME perpetrator.) Nor is it respectful to derail threads with your own agenda simply to fulfill your need for attention, or to litter the front page with multiple Me-Me-Me threads. Once in a while is excusable. Continuous is not.
This is a Climbing Community, like it or not. It isn't always politically correct, but that's bearable compared to predator behavior and sexually demeaning thread titles/content. I've met and climbed with many of the folks on this site, and like and appreciate all of them. ALL OF THEM. And there are many I haven't met but feel great affinity for anyway.
That's Community. That's what Beth is talking about.
So leave the Mistress of the Offal-Widths alone, you detractors...or you'll have to deal with, as GC put it, the heartless witch (remove W insert B) in the catsuit.
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooowwwwwwwww >^..^< hsssssss-hssssssssss!
heh-heh-heh...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Gezzzz, went to Culp Valley to try and teach myself how to recognize boulder problems and climb them and come back to this......
Yikes, on melllllow days or in times of loss we call each other a community, a family, a virtual campfire. Then the biorhythms of life take a dive and yowza !
All I gotta say is that when I needed a new life Many of you on this forum helped me create one. I don't consider myself a "climber" yet, but I do climb and have posted numerous TR's of climbing with family and friends.
I have learned more about grace and caring on this forum than in all my years in parochial school....let me rephrase that. I Learned about those topics in school, I actually have had them demonstrated to me on this forum and in the real by many of Yo.
My point, heck, I don't know. :D But it is true nothing remains static and none, not one of us are guarenteed tomorrow. I guess right about now Locker should chime in with a chorus of Kumbaya......hehehe. Peace, from Lynne
PS, got rained out or I would still be out there.
Edit: Just read your post L. Rude people suck. But can you imagine what their lives are like ?
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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coz, I don't think that wishing for more women who do climb (and post about it) here is the same as being down on the people that don't.
I'd agree w/ "once a climber always a climber", and I think the climbing contributions of a couple of our "retired" women climbers are pretty highly valued (at least by me).
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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You're incorrect Jeff. I spoke/heard from her this morning.
A sore foot does not keep you from posting on the Internet.
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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Jeeeeeffffffffffffffff....most of the women on this site--especially Crimpie--don't complain about the incivilities dished out to them.
They just go away.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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There are lots of folks who read and sometimes post on ST whose response to insults and crude posts follow the Chrimpster’s lead.
In the 3-D world (love that phrase) it is equivalent to drunks thrashing a party--you just leave. No guest confronts them, Jeff, especially since there is no host.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Just my two cents worth. I have never been good at or even able to confront people. In the last two years with no real life defender I have had to think much about this. Do I just fade or what ? Well, I have learned one thing. If fading is your response the obnoxious ones have gained. If one can learn to have enough quiet strong chi to rebuff and perhaps even turn the tide it benefits the whole. Jess sayin'
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Binks
Social climber
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"The hostility is just getting too much for me also." I hope you're joking. You started half the fights yourself.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Hey Fluoride-
I'm a bit late to this party, for the usual reason - too busy to check stuff here every day.
I'm a woman, I climb quite a bit, have been climbing for a long time, and I lead a lot more than I follow.
I don't post a whole lot as I'm not interested in all the politics and most of the general interest stuff. When I do post, I doubt most people even realize I'm a woman, even now that I have a photo icon. I come to this forum because I love all the climbing stories and trip reports, and because some of the non-climbing threads are interesting.
On the whole I feel that this is a good community. A whole lot of the "regulars" on the forum seem like good people. The ones who don't seem so wonderful, I just ignore. In this forum, as in life, reactivity gets you nowhere. I really don't pay any attention to who's male or who's female.
Big hug, Phyl
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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The foot is great. I've been climbing for five weeks (in the gym, weather sucks,) and while it's "only" the gym, I'm climbing grades higher than pre-surgery. The foot is 100%. Thanks for asking.
Just post TRs?
The last two TRs I posted here were "vandalized". One got photos of naked women, and the other was decorated with the most vulgar statements said about me from a poster I've never met.
Both the photos and statements were removed from someone and I appreciate that. But my response has been to go away and post very little. And I certainly won't post TRs any longer. It's that simple.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Thanks to Crimpergirl for telling it like it is. All this "just be thicker-skinned" stuff seems to miss many points at once.
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zeta
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Just post TRs?
The last two TRs I posted here were "vandalized". One got photos of naked women, and the other was decorated with the most vulgar statements said about me from a poster I've never met.
Both the photos and statements were removed from someone and I appreciate that. But my response has been to go away and post very little. And I certainly won't post TRs any longer. It's that simple.
wow, crimpie that's awful! There is definitely some misogynistic crap that emerges in these forums, and while I'm sorry to hear that you don't want to post more TRs, I understand where you're coming from.
I totally get why women disengage from offensive posts...I am really good at confronting people in person, it's way harder for me to do online. I just stay away from ST a while...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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We had a problem like this at one of the bars I worked.
Women wouldn't walk in, (or stay very long or come back again if they did walk in) as long as the joint was dominated by loud, rude, dirt-workers who showed up early and stayed all night ( couldn't go home because that's where their wives were ). Too rude or too stupid to keep their hurtful language to themselves.
We fixed that by getting rid of the things they liked, like Budweiser Draft ( replaced with Guiness ), the pool table ( replaced with a piano and dance floor ) and the Lottery ( replaced by nothing ).
The positive results were immediate. The loud dirt-workers found another sausage-bar and couples and groups of women and educated guys started coming in. It became a cool place to hang and a fun place to work.
I don't know how you would work that here, though.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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The trouble with a womans brain, you never now what is going to be a given output for a given input. Their gain is set so high the slightest drift in their plant and they enter the right hand quadrant.
Juan
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Well, my sense of humanity has gone down the drain
Behind every beautiful thing there's been some kind of pain
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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L,
love ya girl. The thrashing you got on Friday was out of line and what inspired me to start this thread.
Got your back lady!
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."
(I Corinthians 11:8-9)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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WHY DOGS ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN
A dog's disposition stays the same all month long.
A dog's parents never visit.
A dog's time in the bathroom is confined to a quick drink.
Anyone can get a good-looking dog.
Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across.
Dogs are excited by rough play.
Dogs aren't catty.
Dogs can appreciate excessive body hair.
Dogs can't talk.
Dogs don't borrow your shirts.
Dogs don't care if you use their shampoo.
Dogs don't cry.
Dogs don't expect you to call when you are running late.
Dogs don't hate their bodies.
Dogs don't let magazine articles guide their lives.
Dogs don't mind if you give their offspring away.
Dogs don't notice if you call them by another dog's name.
Dogs don't shop.
Dogs don't want to know about every other dog you ever had.
Dogs don't worry about germs.
Dogs enjoy heavy petting in public.
Dogs find you amusing when you're drunk.
Dogs have no use for flowers, cards, or jewelry.
Dogs like beer.
Dogs like it when you leave lots of things on the floor.
Dogs like to do their snooping outside as opposed to in your wallet, desk, and the back of your sock drawer.
Dogs love it when your friends come over.
Dogs love long car trips.
Dogs love red meat.
Dogs never criticize.
Dogs never expect gifts.
Dogs never need to examine the relationship.
Dogs never want foot-rubs.
Dogs seldom outlive you.
Dogs think you sing great.
Dogs understand that all animals smaller than dogs were made to be hunted.
Dogs understand that farts are funny.
Dogs understand that instincts are better than asking for directions.
Dogs will forgive you for playing with other dogs.
Dogs would rather have you buy them a hamburger dinner than a lobster one.
If a dog is gorgeous, other dogs don't hate it.
No dog ever bought a Kenny G or Hootie & the Blowfish album.
No dog ever put on 100 pounds after reaching adulthood.
The later you are, the more excited dogs are to see you
You never have to wait for a dog. They're ready to go 24 hours a day.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Juan, what up with the bible stuff....what does that have to do with ANYTHING ? Wait, no please don't answer that question.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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back to your cave, jdf!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Pate, No I hadn't noticed til today I guess. It irritates cause it makes my best friend look bad. Peace, lynne
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Locker, enough of the ugly photo-manipulations, already. They're gross, and don't belong on SuperTopo.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Well... I guess I should pipe in finally.
Quote from above: ^^ "most of the women on this site---don't complain about the incivilities dished out to them.
They just go away."
Yup^^^ that sums it up.
I have, in fact, been avoiding posting on this site. Erik has as well. Mostly due to one person in particular. Most as#@&%es can yell louder than me so I'm not really going to waste my time arguing with them.
I have a thick skin. I can usually take it. I've spent my whole life around curmudgeons and guys who don't candy-coat things. I don't mind if people disagree with me. I generally take name-calling with a grain of salt and I love the diversity of personalities here. I don't really want it to change. Guys will be guys and I feel huge amount of affection for this community.
What I cannot tolerate is random acts of vandalism. Stalking my comments. Shitting and pissing stupid and totally random viscous childish commentary all over any thread I dare get involved in or post. Totally ruining any thread they touch. So as long as it is going on- I am not really interested in contributing.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Well said. You sound like more than just a maid.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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So let's recap:
L: Do you really want nothing but guys posting here cause women have been chased away by calling us names?
Pate: Climbing is a men's club and always has been. Men have always outnumbered women and always will.
Pass the Piton Pete: Everyone calls everyone else names! To say that you are being called names because you are female is ludicrous. It's the internet - grow a thicker skin.
Dr. Sprok: it is just a weeding out process, we do not want to climb with girls, we depend on the belayer to be a woman who spits tabaccy and swears like a sailor.
Binks: Are women really too sensitive for this forum and have been driven off? I don't think so. I think it just does not interest them here as much as it does the men. Forums dominated by women tend to focus primarily on relationships.
Jaybro:
Followed by Wayno: "take a walk on the wild side..."
And S. Leeper: yES. bRING ON the womens.
Prod: Jaybro...HAhahahahhahahaahaahhaaha
Pate follow up: However, if you want to see who gets the real work done, I suggest paying attention to your guidebooks and reading who the FA's are. I'm going to take a wild guess that out of the 100+ guidebooks I own less than 1% of the routes had a female in the FA party.
And as for the question about wanting a men's club, I, for one, do not believe in the complete de-genderization and integration of all things. It's lame, and it leads to futile arguments that have been flogged here at ST many times about how women should be treated if they want to be playing on a level field.
Pate Follow up: Maybe there should be a separate tab for females?
Melissa:
Any time you suggest that there is misogyny here, many will shout you down and tell you that there is none.
Jaundefuca: The trouble with a womans brain, you never now what is going to be a given output for a given input. Their gain is set so high the slightest drift in their plant and they enter the right hand quadrant.
Jaundefuca: "For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
Jaundefuca: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)
Jaundefuca: WHY DOGS ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN
A dog's disposition stays the same all month long.
A dog's parents never visit.
A dog's time in the bathroom is confined to a quick drink.
Anyone can get a good-looking dog.
Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across.
Dogs are excited by rough play.
Dogs aren't catty.
Dogs can appreciate excessive body hair.
Dogs can't talk.
Dogs don't borrow your shirts.
Dogs don't care if you use their shampoo.
Dogs don't cry.
Dogs don't expect you to call when you are running late.
Dogs don't hate their bodies.
Dogs don't let magazine articles guide their lives.
Dogs don't mind if you give their offspring away.
Dogs don't notice if you call them by another dog's name.
Dogs don't shop.
Dogs don't want to know about every other dog you ever had.
Dogs don't worry about germs.
Dogs enjoy heavy petting in public.
Dogs find you amusing wh
en you're drunk.
Dogs have no use for flowers, cards, or jewelry.
Dogs like beer.
Dogs like it when you leave lots of things on the floor.
Dogs like to do their snooping outside as opposed to in your wallet, desk, and the back of your sock drawer.
Dogs love it when your friends come over.
Dogs love long car trips.
Dogs love red meat.
Dogs never criticize.
Dogs never expect gifts.
Dogs never need to examine the relationship.
Dogs never want foot-rubs.
Dogs seldom outlive you.
Dogs think you sing great.
Dogs understand that all animals smaller than dogs were made to be hunted.
Dogs understand that farts are funny.
Dogs understand that instincts are better than asking for directions.
Dogs will forgive you for playing with other dogs.
Dogs would rather have you buy them a hamburger dinner than a lobster one.
If a dog is gorgeous, other dogs don't hate it.
No dog ever bought a Kenny G or Hootie & the Blowfish album.
No dog ever put on 100 pounds after reaching adulthood.
The later you are, the more excited dogs are to see you
You never have to wait for a dog. They're ready to go 24 hours a day.
Pate: Dogs don't nag either. Add that to the list.
Locker:
Did I miss anything?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Did I miss anything?
Yeah, the ignore button.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Roger's list is damning.
And doesn't even mention the off-line harassment of SuperTopians who are identifiably female. Some of it is, by reliable reports, appalling. If you are subject to such ugliness, do three things:
1. Keep copies of everything.
2. Forward it to CMac.
3. If necessary, post it here and 'out' the basturd. Or send it to me and I'll do it for you, with your identifying information removed.
Yes, we're mostly grownups, and yes the world isn't always sugar and spice. That doesn't mean we have licence to be rude, gross, or harass others.
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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Good synopsis Roger!
As we can all see, the Taco is NOT prejudiced towards women...it's the WORLD that is. Thank you for setting us gals straight, gentlemen...er...perhaps that's the wrong term...;-)
Jaybro...you're getting a lot of mileage with that photo of me. I want residuals!
Beth...luv you, too, GF! Will always be there for ya. Serious.
Crimpie...you're the best. The Taco is so much less without you. But it's all about baby-steps...baby-steps.
Taking baby-steps and carrying an AK-47....;-)
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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justthemaid - yes, well said. Being able to ignore the flames while
enjoying the threads is as easy as we choose it to be.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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We all, male and female, seem a lot more collegial when we only talk about climbing. Religion and politics, in particular, bring out the worst in us.
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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I totally agree with you, Jim...except for that bolting some face or other thread...you know the one...peeps were pulling internet guns over that thing...;-)
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Yeah donini,
Ya gotta expect to be flamed on an OT post if it doesn't conform to someone's personal beliefs but I think we respect each other as climbers, regardless of gender and ability, for the most part.
Diss me on my climbing and I'm not gonna take it. (for the most part)
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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How is Roger's synopsis damning Mighty? Because some of the statements don't live up to your standards of Politically Correct?
Pate, you might learn a different view as your daughter grows up in this world, and tells you what she sees. I know I did.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Roger, I'm confused. Was it okay for L to post this picture, but not okay for Jaybro?
http://www.supertopo.com/photos/2/65/148064_12802_L.jpg
I think some, but definitely not all, of the females have a low tolerance for the crude or crass, so do some guys.
I think JustTheMaid's point about stalking is more important. It happens to guys too when someone gets a bug up their ass, but it probably happens to females proportionally more often--why I don't know--I'm surprised that T*R still posts here considering she's been the target of at least a couple ST denizens that disliked her and decided to devote themselves to letting her know it.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Well, Pate has exposed the true method: all of the posts I copied are based on Shakespeare's plays.
As everyone can attest, Shakespeare is the perfect hiding place since he more or less invented our complete list of human characteristics and relationships.
My other choice was to use the Bible, but Jaun beat me to it.
Wanda, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the picture that Jaybro posted per se.
I only compare the intent of the picture on a thread started by a female climber commenting on our collective misogyny. Jaybro’s answer to the original question seems to be either that the female ST campers are transsexuals or that they should be. Either that or Jaybro was just having sexual fantasy and posted on the first thread on the page.
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hooblie
climber
from where the anecdotes roam
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i don't know. that south face of half dome thing brought out the best of all the participants, and each conducted themselves to great credit. my respect grew for each side in a great dialectic which reflected my own inner conflicts. we can rise above this stuff, coz and dr both showed the way, unless i was just vulnerable to what i remember as well reasoned intercourse seasoned with respect. no doubt it had passion.
maybe i disremember, better go check
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jstan
climber
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It may be time for Chris to shut the server down for a month?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nah jstan, it's gotta be hashed out. Good points are being made here.
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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Hooblie...I was sorta joking there. ;-)
It's one thing to have differing opinions and hash them out with respect and patience--something which takes effort. It's another to drop into cliches and "always was, always will be" attitudes with closed minds. The climbing threads have been worked out with tolerance and respect IMHO.
Roger...I get the feeling Jaybro was pulling his "I'm really in touch with my feminine side, too, ya know!" card. He's not the sort to disrespect anyone.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Mighty Hiker: "Yes, we're mostly grownups, and yes the world isn't always sugar and spice. That doesn't mean we have license to be rude, gross, or harass others."
Amen to that statement.^^
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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L, I know that about Jaybro. Pretty much the same for Locker. Even Pate feels justified in stating the obvious.
But the most offensive things in one circumstance make for some of the best punch lines in another. And every effective insult is partly or potentially true.
Not knowing the differences among circumstances amounts to not knowing how to speak our common language. We excuse non-native speakers when they insult us and we all excuse native speaking imbeciles. Everyone else is held accountable.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Pate, you forgot f*#king retard
I've been called that before, but Christian Right Winger was a first. :)
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
mun jae upso yo
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I have a talent for stating the obvious.
Or so my Mom tell me.
I thought this place has always been a sausagefest, with sprinkles of femininity thrown in here & there.
I prefer the other deli, though.
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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You're too easy, Fattrad. Like fishin' for goldfish in a fish bowl. ;-)
We like challenges here on the Taco!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
mun jae upso yo
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Word, L.
'Nuff Said, then.
Very Well, It's Off to the Races!
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Never gonnah happen.
We love you Fatty.
Don't ever change.
This thread needs more cowbell.
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Adding one more to Nita's list.
Denise Umstot.
May we all
Climb on. Soon.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
mun jae upso yo
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Holy Crap!
It wouldn't do at ALL to leave out the Princess of The El Cap Bridge.
Not at all.
WooHoo!!!!
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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Warbler...you just almost made me wet my pantaloonies! Some good SNL right now would be so welcomed!
Fattrad--we luv ya! Now go call Cheney and see who he's shot lately...;-)
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L
climber
Hangin' by a thread and lookin' for my wings
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Warbler--I'm so twisted, I can barely walk upright. It's one of my few redeeming characteristics!
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Jaybro's post has scared me for life. That image is more disturbing than anything I have ever seen.
Juan
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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What is it with guys and sausage?...
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Whoa...Not me...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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It wasn't Locker who did that on either of my TRs. Hopefully no one is coming down on him regarding that stuff.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Everything she posts on becomes about her...at least in her mind. I really think Chris needs to find out how many people post under that (LEB) name.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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TR wrote: pate, i need to tell you something. LEB is a troll whose username and password are shared by like ten people.
That is so RC.com..how many post under t*r??
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Steak is better than sausage any day...Eh Locker?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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I seem to have missed that particular drama.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Yawn...
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2010 - 12:51am PT
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I love you Robert. Of all people in the world you can call me a witch anytime. Cause you have, to my face.
Tucker too.
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gonzo chemist
climber
a crucible
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Has ST become a sausagefest?
I kinda always thought it was mostly a sausagefest. But then again so is most of climbing...unless your a boulderer. Nonetheless, fluoride, please understand that the vast majority of of us guys greatly value the female perspective on ST, climbing, and society in general...even though there unfortunately exists so much misogynistic vitriol in some of the threads...
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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not exactly sausage,
Teen shoots his own testicles
Times-Herald staff report
Posted: 03/05/2010 01:03:52 AM PST
A Vallejo teenager allegedly shot himself in the testicles Thursday afternoon, police said.
Police said the 17-year-old, whose name is being withheld because he's a minor, walked into Kaiser Permanente Vallejo Medical Center at about 5:45 p.m. with a gunshot wound.
The gun is still outstanding, police said, and the teen has not been cooperative."
jeez, ya gotta be half nuts to shoot your own testicles, ya know what i'm sayin?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Looks like someones stuck playing half court. I wonder how many TDF titles he was looking for?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Robert- My urge to pinch your cheeks and ruffle your hair is nearly irresistible sometimes. We're on to you softie.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Ahh, softie...HeHe!!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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"pate, i need to tell you something. LEB is a troll whose username and password are shared by like ten people."
IS THIS TRUE?
The "I'm Rick James, Bitch" syndrome in technicolor?
Because - if it is - I, for one, am amused. Greatly.
Greatly.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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Bump this sh#t back on the front page
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Beth sez:
"I love you Robert. Of all people in the world you can call me a witch anytime. Cause you have, to my face.
Tucker too."
That's because few have the balls to speak the truth... :0
Did that have enough sausage in it for you?
Maidy sez:
"Robert- My urge to pinch your cheeks and ruffle your hair is nearly irresistible sometimes. We're on to you softie."
Softy?!? Are you implying that in my declining years I may need "help" in certain areas?
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kuan
Sport climber
CA
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Mar 10, 2010 - 01:36am PT
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I don't know exactly what a sau is, but if your sau is sagging, that sounds like a personal problem.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 10, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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Robert is soft, around the middle at least. Hey-oo!
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Mar 10, 2010 - 01:53am PT
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Kuan is in the house..;-).......Where's blue dog....
edit: Kuan,where are the black doggie pics?
Edit>>I wanted to add KathyS to the list, but he edit button is now gone...;-(
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Maybe we can just dress RJ up in drag and have a go at him. And just what is it that you're suggesting by that?
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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well ? yes or no ? do i have to read all 220 posts ?
;-)
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Here I am - thanks for asking. :) Been on the east side for a couple of weeks getting outside and playing and visiting some tacos. Good times.
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rich sims
Trad climber
co
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Mar 7, 2010 - 12:38am PT
Jaybro is that the secrete weapon used in Vedauwoo on the wildish stuff?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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pate is on a quest for the perfect mother superior.
just want to encourage all the gals to stand their ground. i've seen it work. one of the nicest things about climbing is the mixed company.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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The same article states:
"men are more frequently diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder than women".
"Narcissistic men hold overtly hostile, adversarial ideas about women.
While narcissistic men also showed rancor toward gay men, their hostility toward them was no worse than that of other straight men.
About the only group that escaped narcissistic men's anger were lesbians, possibly because straight men tend to eroticize them."
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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I think this is what started it all.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g so logically if she weighs the same as a duck, she is made of wood, and therefore....! Just a joke...well then...
I'm always up for a good knife fight! I once held off 4 guys with a folding pocketknife. One of the guys had a 4 foot length of steel pipe which made it interesting....
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