Starting today you can pack heat in Nat'l Parks!

I wonder which will be first - person uses legally possessed firearm to thwart a crime in a national park

or

a person uses a legally possessed firearm to commit a crime in a national park....

Visitors now can pack heat in any national park from Gates of the Arctic to Everglades, provided they comply with the firearms laws of the park's home state, according to the new law that was passed as an amendment to credit-card legislation.

I don't expect much to change, which is fine.

Why is it that in people's arguments for the "right to bear arms" they invariably gloss over the "well-regulated militia" part of the statement.

Um, I'll be using AT bindings, btw...

Why is it that in people's arguments for the "right to bear arms" they invariably gloss over the "well-regulated militia" part of the statement. The National Guard--that's well-regulated militia. A gun in my (or your or that guy over there's) backpack isn't. Grumble.

most handguns aren't gonna stop a grizz.

I'd answer this but he's obviously talking to one of y'all.

Making firearms illegal will be just about as effective as keeping people from smoking pot by virtue of its illegal status. Many of you here smoke like chimneys yet you live in places where (other than for medicinal use) the substance is not, in fact, legal. Did/does that stop any of you hardcore potheads?

That wilderness still exists North of the border.

A. Mexico.
B. Canada.
C. Both of the Above
D. That's a big muthaf*#kin OCEAN you have there fellers!

DMT

Seriously, do you really believe that the Nazi's stayed away only because they knew all them Americans had shotguns in their houses?

[...] but Yamamoto discussed this in Japan and gave it as a reason why any invasion of the mainland or Hawaii would fail.

I thought the purpose of parks was to protect bears from people...

Me, I just flash them the badge and start shooting.

December 2009:
"Canadians don't need another report to know that the long-gun registry is very efficient at harassing law-abiding farmers and outdoors enthusiasts, while wasting billions of taxpayer dollars," Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan's office said in a release Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2009/11/04/gun-registry-vote004.html#ixzz0gK41FSRO

Carry bear spray and don't attract them

their first response will always be to preserve gun access to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

Maybe it's the fluoride but conservatives just seem whacky lately. Just watched Glen Becks's recent speech. Whoa! What is he smoking?

The Idea that you need a lethal weapon in Yosemite National Park to protect yourself from "perps" is just insane. It would be much more practical for every one to wear a life vest at all times in the park since you are much more likely to die in a drowning accident.

You're also more likely ot die from a lightening strike than the violent act of a "perp".

Get a grip on reality!

Lots of folks with guns means an increase in accidents and misuse, pure and simple.

I don't know about statistics for being within any particular park (and I'm sure it varies from park to park), but speaking generally, you are MUCH more likely to die by homicide than by either drowning or lightning (for lightning, we're talking orders of magnitude).

Don't believe me? Great thing about the Internet is it's pretty easy to check facts. [link]

But back to my previous question: Why the fu#k can't some people make an argument without using the generalized term "liberal" like it's a dirty word?

Does Rush Limbaugh really have that many people so brainwashed?

So while it's wrong to generalize and insult "liberals," it can also be incredibly frustrating dealing with them sometimes.

You've pretty much made my point for me with this line, but I'll spell it out better:

There is no "them."

Or at least the definition of "them" is much more narrow than the way you are using it here.

Sure there are people that would label themselves as liberal, but this is a much smaller segment of the population than Rush and his talk-show cronies would like you to believe.

A person's point-of-view on a single issue does not define the whole person.

The whole phenomenon of using the word "liberal" as being synonymous with "the enemy" correlates pretty will in time with Limbaugh's rise in popularity. It's not a coincidence.

If you find yourself spouting things like "liberals always do this," then you are mimicking Rush, whether you know it or not. He invented this mindset, and turned it into big money. It's big money because he has so many followers, both direct and indirect.

Maybe but you are doing pretty much the same thing in treating "followers" of Rush as a monolithic group.

as for #2,, definite YES.........no brainer........

#1 you accidentally come between a sow and her cubs you have three seconds to decide you or her....

#2 Your in the valley like those two women whose bodies were found there, and some wierdo comes up to do you harm but the gun saves yur bacon...

I have been nose to nose with a gaint Grizz, hell bent on killing me. Had a gun and lived, try to take my gun away.

You're just an idiot if you fall for coz's trolls, hahahaha.

every study on guns for defense comes to the conclusion that having a gone makes you more likely to be killed by one.

oh, but that doesnt apply to any of the gun nuts in this thread, they are special, not like all those other gun nuts.

dktem--this is aother example of why people resort to making "anti-liberal" comments.

franky just made this statement up and it's absurdly wrong, as about 30 seconds of research shows. He's either lying or so reckless with regard to the truth that it's tantamount to a lie. Then some other liberal repeats it, either thinking it's true or not really caring, I don't know.

what you actually have to wonder is if that gun is really making you safer (it is not, on a statistical level).

For gun owners, the helpless situation is so terrifying that they would rather increase their risk than face it. It is that simple. Can't blame them for being scared, the world is a scary place. (of course being scared isn't a reason to be stupid)

I wouldn't walk through parts of Oakland without a gun,

Remember, statistics lie, and liers use statistics.

WTF is up with you supertopo drama queens?
Guys have been packing the heat for years in the park and nothing has happened.

"That is despite the fact that statistics say you are more likely to get killed by your own gun than save your wife with it"

"If that person is specifically trained in the use of deadly force, then they are a cop, and that is ok (or at least the best we can do)."

I have missed you.

So the question of gun control really becomes an issue of where do we draw the line?

I see the gun supporters as having been VERY accommodative up to this point on the restrictions allowed on their RIGHT to bear arms.