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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 2, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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Anyone ever seen one of these before?
When and Where is it from?
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jack herer
climber
veneta, or
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whoah thats sweet it really is a quick draw?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Wow! That is a trippy racking unit!
I think it's called the Central Scrutinizer.
Nice find Willie. Ya know, there are museum collectors on here.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 09:42pm PT
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I've had it for 8 or 9 years.
Got it in a bucket of old gear from a friend who had it in his garage and was leaving town.
I took it out with screws on it one time and it sucked.
I like it though.
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Gene
Social climber
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Is that a pin bin?
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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I don't think that is a Pin Bin. The original Forrest design used a sliding sleeve over a shaft (with a spring inside the sleeve). You pushed down on the sleeve and it retracted so you could get the pin(s) off.
Bruce
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Classic shizzle!
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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I had thought it was a prototype. I emailed Forrest and it is definitely not a Pin Bin. He thought it was something that REI imported from Europe many years ago. Either way it is a cool piece of gear.
Ken
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
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Thanks for the replies!
I'm gonna bump this a little. I'd really like to know when and where.
bump!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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I was going to say it looked vaguely familiar if a little
before my time at REI. I'll email Big Jim....
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
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Thanks for the link! I just read it and low and behold, there is one of these at the end.
Can't help but wonder if it's the same one when looking at the knife-blade type pin on the left!
I've had mine since 02 or 03.
Brian in SLC - any info?
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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None. Yours looks exactly the same as the one I have, though.
Maybe a European product? I'm guessing.
Cheers,
-Brian in SLC
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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Thanks. It was definately a euro gear stash. Like what I call the 'eurobiner':
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
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Old gear bump
I actually use this one quite a bit.
It pounds pins.
I've pulled on it more than once also.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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willie, i used to climb on biners like that, only they were pre andozied. cool stuff.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 11:43pm PT
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Prime-time bump.
Somebody settle where/when that thing was from.
I know you're out there!
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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I got one of those too. I bought a bunch of pins off a dude almost 20 years ago and it came with them. A small red metalic sticker on it (looks like marking tape wrapped around it) says,
karabiner
TOKYO
made in japan
I can get a boat load of pins on it and still remove the one I want easily.
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Bonjour,
The following information is taken from two Au Vieux Campeur catalogs, a famous French mail order climbing gear retailer. On the left, catalog 1972, one can see the first generation of the anneau (ring in French); on the right, catalog 1976, the second generation of the anneau. A good friend of mine used the first generation in 1968.
This open ring made in Europe (France?) was used to carry a great deal of pitons on long aid climbs.
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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Ian Parsons
climber
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It features in at least two Ellis Brigham catalogues (UK); both are pre-Whillans Harness, so probably 1968-1970. It appears on the front cover of the first; in the second it is listed as a Salewa product. I don't know to what extent Salewa are or were then a manufacturer, as distinct from a company that outsources products to be manufactured under their own label. As the piton-ring wouldn't require the sort of specifications to which, for instance, a karabiner has to conform, it's probably more likely that, if outsourced, it would have been made by a local small engineering company than another climbing hardware producer.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2010 - 12:06pm PT
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Thanks Stephane!
Mystery solved.
You probly have one in your museum, but if you don't, e-mail me your address.
I've got a boat to catch - later all.
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Bonjour willie!
I found some more information for you. There is a drawing of your Piton Carrier in the book, Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Mountaineering, by Peter Crew, published in 1968. I also found a photograph of this anneau porte-pitons (piton ring) in the book, Alpinisme Moderne, published in France in 1971.
I do not have this first generation in the collection. I am fortunate to have the second generation. While digging deeper in my archives, I found its name: Schani. There is not any manufacturer name stamped on my sample but, as Ian Parsons, I suspect that it was made in West Germany, maybe by Salewa.
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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mangdangler
Mountain climber
Bellingham, Wa
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Willie and his hammer..
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2010 - 12:24am PT
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Awesome photo, Nutstory!!!!
I've fondeled and wondered about that thing for a long time.
Now it is in the mail to your weird address! Enjoy, now you have the set. I haven't used it since I dropped that screw.
MANGER!!!!! What's up man?!?!?
Nice rare photo of aids willie! You should take it down though. Most of these guys' little sisters could hike that section in bunny boots!
Hope you're well, and headed up for the season! Email me through here!
Later.
The Mangler (front) and Willie!!!
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mangdangler
Mountain climber
Bellingham, Wa
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Feb 16, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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good times willie.. ill be up on mar 27th.. ready to rumble..
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Mar 31, 2010 - 02:58am PT
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Bonjour willie!
The old Piton Carrier that you kindly sent me reached Corsica safely yesterday! I thank you very much for enhancing my collection with such an amazing and rare item. As promised, here is a photograph of these two little guys with a selection of Cassin soft steel pitons. As you can see, your Piton Carrier has found a good family here in Corsica…
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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Cool!
I wasn't around to see this, and also just saw your e-mail.
My pleasure. I'm sure your collection is amazing. Wish I could see it sometime.
Peace.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Way to play it forward, Willie!
Hey, when you're around, anywhere between Reno/Tahoe and Tuolumne East Side, and want to take on the High Sierras, PM me. Would love to climb with ya.
HFCS
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2010 - 12:34am PT
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SG - Isn't it? I love old gear and have already shown that thing to everyone I know. Thank YOU for all the cool old articles and stuff.
I, too, am curious about those pins. I've never seen those.
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Totally, HFCS! You're always welcome up here as well.
(Edited to preserve thread integrity)
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Bonjour willie & Steve Grossman!
Yes, the Cassin shortest pitons were designed to fit a drilled hole like a bolt. They were called (in French) “pitons à compression”. Stubai, Charlet-Moser, Salewa produced similar contraction bolts in Europe.
As you know my main field of research is the clean protection, but I must confess that I have a modest collection of old pitons at home… I guess that we must change the subject of this topic now: “Old Piece of Gear (not the pins)” for “Old Piece of Gear (and the pins too)”…
I took these photographs for Joseph Healy some time ago. Enjoy:
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2010 - 03:43am PT
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Dude!!!!!
You rule. That's why I sent you that piece.
Where to begin!?
In the first photo, what is that "pointsmashedheartshaped biner type thing"?
I totally understand those square dowel pitons for drilled holes! At work, I often pound whittled, square pieces of cedar into roto-hammered, round holes in concrete to accept transition strip nails. The oversized corners bite the circle hard! Cool!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 11, 2010 - 03:36pm PT
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Thanks for the response, Stephane!
I had a hunch that you might be nuts for pitons, too!
How many carabiners?!?
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Apr 15, 2010 - 03:12am PT
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Bonjour willie!
I contacted my friend Hermann Huber about the Piton-Carrier. Hermann managed the famous German company Salewa for many years. I am delighted to share Hermann’s reply with you:
The German name HAKENSCHANI was a somewhat strange "artificial" name, composed from Haken = piton + Schani = no meaning in proper German, but a dialect expression of Bavarian-Austrian origin describing a man who may be some sort of server/servil guy/helper (nothing exactly precise). Also… Schani may nearly symbolize german "Scharnier" = pivoting device (sometimes I liked a bit of "word playing").
I am sure that you will enjoy reading such first hand information.
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 15, 2010 - 04:08am PT
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Wow, that was quite the array of pitons, Stephane. Very cool stuff. I could try to imagine the various uses for all that stuff. The various interpretations of the rurp are very interesting. More stuff?
Willie, I had a hammer just like that one and took it on several walls; great for cleaning and head work.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 15, 2010 - 08:47am PT
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Great thread!
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Edge
Trad climber
New Durham, NH
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Apr 15, 2010 - 08:57am PT
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I love threads like this!
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 15, 2010 - 11:14am PT
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Stephane - Thanks! That is a cool tidbit. Feel free to keep 'em coming.
Wayno - In the climb pictured above, I had to do exstensive crack de-mossing for every placement. That pick is super handy for that, eh?
An old climbing partner of mine was just in town and reminded me of a time I almost peeled trying to free over a smooth bulge where the crack went smaller than fingers.
At the last minute, I reached out and torked that pick in, which allowed me to pull over.
Any thing goes in the unexplored alpine!
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:15am PT
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Here is some more interesting information that I found about the Piton Carrier (Hakenschani). The first generation was invented by H. Strathmann who filed out a Patent on July 14th, 1961 for this piece of climbing gear. Patent number DE1174228B
The climbing gear history buffs also might be interested to know that Bill Forrest filed out a Patent for his PinBin on July 22nd, 1968. Patent number US3563430A
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