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Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 15, 2009 - 12:16pm PT
TMOAA/ET/EBE Threads = The Mother Of All Alien/Extra-terrstrial/Extra-terrestrial Biological Entity Threads . . .


I know I have posted much about this over the years, but it would be nice to consolidate it all into one huge thread overtime. Many great threads and info has been shared on ST regarding this topic(s) and it would be good to pull it all together into one.


I will start it off with something new . . .


I would like to hear from those of you who have actually seen the movie. You really can't say much until then . . .

The Hollywood Movie -- "The Fourth Kind"

Does anyone want to discuss this movie? I went and watched it at the theater yesterday. I'm glad I'm a Christian and know the truth about Aliens = Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons.

The story is true with real video footage at times juxaposed along acted scenes. They give a very strong warning at the beginning of the film that many scenes are very disturbing and the actual names of many of the prominent people involved have been changed to keep their privacy.

In truth, these scenes are disturbing with an incredible sense of evil and foreboding. I think this is an important film but I wouldn't advise anyone to go see it that doesn't know the truth. They will either dismiss it as a massive hoax, or be so scared they will not know what to think. The fact that Aliens = Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons, makes perfect sense. This is demonstrated very well in the movie for those who know the truth.

What the Christian community has feared about "Aliens" and how the end game fraud will occur is happening now. The Aliens (Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons) speak in ancient Sumarian, and claim to be God.

Abduction and possession are also intermixed. I'm not so sure about the professional technique of psychologists using hypnosis. It seems to override a person's natural ability to guard against unnatural intrussions into their own private and personal pschy. I think that Lucifer can use that as an opportunity to barge in and take over when an individual has no control. That is incredibly dangerous. Yet at the same time, now the truth of the matter in this bizarre and evil story can now be known.

It is an important film. Pray and hold the hand of Jesus tightly, and be guarded before you go see it. To get to sleep last night I prayed in bed and asked for God's protection for me and my family, and friends always (and The Lord's Prayer).

We know what we are up against and our Lord and Savior will protect us. Resist all evil. Amen.


Links:

The Fourth Kind
http://www.thefourthkind.net/#

'The Fourth Kind' Trailer HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVRHOhLP-aA&feature=player_embedded

Chuck Missler - Return Of The Nephilim
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3473883928564642733#





I would like to hear from anyone who has actually seen the movie, and then try to debunk it. I do not think you can if you are being honest.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 12:21pm PT
By the way, I don't think the above movie is going to do much for the tourism of Nome, Alaska.

Also, there are some fine scenes from a plane flying in the region that show quality rock near Nome and the glaciated areas nearby. Those scenes were brief but spectacular. Definately some great climbing to be done.

Just make sure you have on the full armor of Christ. Something weird is definately happening in the area.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 15, 2009 - 12:27pm PT
take me to your dealer.
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2009 - 12:32pm PT
Ho man, you should see these aliens that showed up here this weekend ......
Weenis

Trad climber
Tel Aviv
Nov 15, 2009 - 12:41pm PT
Klimmer, You sound pretty emotional. Did you cry during the movie?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
Nothing but ad hominem attacks as usually. How about some substance? Don't you all ever get tired of childish antics?

Let me answer my own question -- apparently not.

I suppose that is what makes ST so popular and enjoyable for some, but for others it is just tiresome.
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2009 - 01:31pm PT
Klimmer

Just look at this particular line you put into your original post above.

I'm glad I'm a Christian and know the truth about Aliens = Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons.

I personally have no problem with you. Do what you want here, I don't own this place nor really care what kind of threads people start.

Your threads in general reek with controversial subject matters on the fringe extremes therefore you do have to expect extreme reactions at times along with certain amount of crazy smart ass remarks and pictures thrown in for the mix in the name of "fun".

Why would "I'm a Christian" have anything to do with the truth about aliens to begin with.

Just saying that alone sets yourself for a certain amount of tomatoes and eggs your way on this forum if you're even vaguely conscious of past reactions here towards religion and aliens in general.
Weenis

Trad climber
Tel Aviv
Nov 15, 2009 - 01:51pm PT
Yo Klimmer Bro!, Your Devils and Aliens want you to be afraid of them. Imagine the power you give to them and lose from yourself. When I was about five or six I had a nightmare where a mannequin was coming after me.
I woke terrified and vowed to fight back. I dream like crazy and lucidly and now nothing scares me in my dreams. I've been around to see a stack of crazy things in life, lost my brother, friends and many old beliefs along the way. I can/could tell you stories that might even scare you too but, it seems that you are already living in fear.
I wish you all the best in life, clarity, peace, love and prosperity.
Oh yeah, courage as well. May your Angels be there for you.
Peace and Goodwill, Weenis
Weenis

Trad climber
Tel Aviv
Nov 15, 2009 - 02:02pm PT
Stich, Uuuh... I forgot to offer one other thing to Klimmer:
A sense of humor. My father always told us to never leave home without it, that and a 9mm.
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2009 - 02:03pm PT
that and a 9mm.

Yeah that's a good size for a lead line.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
Nov 15, 2009 - 02:13pm PT
To get to sleep last night I prayed in bed and asked for God's protection for me and my family, and friends always (and The Lord's Prayer).

With my friend Klimmer on the case, I know there's nothing I need to worry about.
Weenis

Trad climber
Tel Aviv
Nov 15, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
Werner, It depends on how you pronounce the word. Lead.
Peace and love and all cool things.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 15, 2009 - 02:49pm PT
"I'm glad I'm a Christian and know the truth about Aliens = Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons."

What's the difference between an Angel and an Alien? Both don't live full time on this planet eh?

Painting the entire rest of the universe in such broad strokes like likely to be mistaken just as lumping all the "immigrants" in this country into one pot is bound to be wrong.

GOP joke "At least the aliens are providing medical care when they come while the illegal immigrants only use it'

;-)

Karl
Matt M

Trad climber
SA, TX
Nov 15, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
Man, Google is YOUR FRIEND

From wikipedia (go search if you want the citations...) Emphasis mine.

"The Fourth Kind is a science fiction/thriller/horror[1] film directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi, and starring Milla Jovovich. The filmmakers claimed the movie was a documentary reenactment set in Nome, Alaska. Universal Studios has since admitted that the "actual events" and back-story were part of a guerilla marketing campaign. [2] The movie concerns alien abductions. The title is derived from J. Allen Hynek's classification of close encounters with aliens, in which the fourth kind denotes an alien abduction.

The film's trailer states that the story is based on "actual case studies," but did not specify any cases. As a result, much speculation has arisen regarding the search for documented evidence from the actual cases and whether Dr. Abigail Tyler is a real person or a fictional character for use in an internet viral marketing campaign.[12]
On September 1, 2009, an investigation by the Anchorage Daily News examined the validity of the film's premise, and its relation to actual disappearances that have occurred in and around the town of Nome. The investigation found no specific events to back up the claims in the film and also revealed that unsolved deaths in Nome are no more frequent than any other small Alaskan town. The consensus is that the high rate of alcoholism combined with the harsh landscape surrounding Nome accounts for a majority of disappearances (just as in other remote areas).[13]
On November 12th, 2009 Universal Pictures agreed to a $20,000 settlement with the Alaska Press Club "to settle complaints about fake news archives used to promote the movie." Universal acknowledged that they created fake online news articles and obituaries to make it appear that the movie had a basis in real events. [14]"
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
Nov 15, 2009 - 03:09pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Green_Men_(novel);
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 03:22pm PT
WBruan,

Yes, I suppose I do ask for it at times. I know these issues are contraversial. Life is contraversial. Seeking the truth of the matter is always contraversial. Perhaps I should just plug in and turn off just like the rest of the World? . . .

Nope. Not gonna happen. Life is too short.




Any who, here is some real "meat" for those of you who want to know the truth:

Any secret government entity willing to do the following to hide the truth of the matter is beyond evil and doing as the Father of all lies (Lucifer)would want them to do. That can not be good. Complete and Full Disclosure has not happened yet because the lies and deceit are incredibly wrong and evil. They do not want anyone to know how involved they really are. A relationship and agreements with Aliens/ETs/EBEs is a relationship with the Devil himself. Evil is as evil does.




About Disclosure . . .


I keep going back and forth on this. It does seem like disclosure might be close at hand, because of statements by . . .

John Podesta UFO Disclosure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Sz-MgoFos&feature=player_embedded

The Disclosure Project
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218#

Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent
October 21, 12:27 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent

And the fact that President Obama spent 2 full days at Nellis Airforce base in Nevada, which is also the infamous home of Area 51, Groom Lake, S-4, Papoose Lake. What did he do there for 2 days besides giving a short speech?

President Obama Speaks at Nellis Air Force Base on Energy Policy
CQ Transcripts Wire
Wednesday, May 27, 2009; 3:40 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/27/AR2009052702379.html

And the Catholic Church and the Pope is coming forward and asking questions and saying it is ok to believe in Aliens and even sponsoring studies and meetings looking into it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6536400/The-Vatican-joins-the-search-for-alien-life.html

http://news.aol.com/article/vatican-weighs-possibility-implications/761942?icid=main|main|dl1|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fvatican-weighs-possibility-implications%2F761942


It could be that disclosure is upon us. But then I run into the deep, dark secret stories about what is really going on, and I think how can they let the cat out of the bag with all the massive cover-up they have been doing since 1947 (at least)? And all the high crimes, murders, assissinations that go along with the massive cover-up? How can they allow the treason that they have been performing for so long and abussing the World with, how can they possibly let it out and be known? The UFO secret and their in-bed relationship with them (a relationship with Lucifer himself, whether they know it or not) and secret agreements and the the technology they have acquired, and back-engineered to essentially dominate the World with, how can they possibly allow all of these secrets to come out? The moment they admit to UFOs/ETs, is also the moment they will expose the entire massive cover-up. No one will believe that they have been hiding all of this to protect the World and that they were just following the guidelines laid down by the Brookings Report: http://www.darkmission.net/fear.htm



Here are a long series of video clips all in order to watch.


The truth of what has been happening behind closed doors and with a secret unlawful Cabal at the highest levels of our government, that does not answer to the President or to Congress, and that continues to operate perpetually from one administration to another is unbelievable scary, evil, and Satanic. They are in bed and controlled by the NWO rich, powerful, elite of the World. How can they let this be fully discovered and disclosed?



Testimony of CIA assassin recruited from Navy SEALs goes online with documents
July 16, 9:19 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Testimony-of-CIA-assassin-recruited-from-Navy-SEALs-goes-online-with-documents

S4 Informers Volume One
The long-awaited release of the 1991 "Connor O'Ryan" testimony. Featuring Wendelle C. Stevens, Robert O. Dean, Gem Cox and many others. We let you know it all...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CD7424712D84DEE3

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (01 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=holCY20CtNA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (02 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GbetmJF1E&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (03 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9WKDYWLp4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (04 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNCPDj5U4b4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNCPDj5U4b4&feature=player_embedded#t=196
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (05 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAa60qcuIfU&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (06 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcL0rjX7VVA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (07 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gsGVLzcneM&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (08 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3MSCFMiMA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (09 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0vD6AldwIA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (10 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw89u5UCTC4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (11 of 12) august edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0NNblmFSY&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (12 of 12) august edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ld5NalUPk&feature=related


S4 Informers Volume Two
S4 Informers Volume Two. Takes up where the first volume leaves off. Things just get more and more interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=03AB12ACB6CB22B9&search_query=s4+informers+volume+two

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (01 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7tiIB8eC1s&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (02 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2KABICBgE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (03 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbnTt3LbsAc&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (04 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JRFSNNlLFI&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (05 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4mfrui1Ik&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (06 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSEHaobNDOQ&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (07 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJiD_iU0410&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (08 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN1G5aTavX8&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (09 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUjK0kEEWQ&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (10 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mnoqV-DuaE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (11 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEdTSqriwrI&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (12 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biP7z-xYs18&feature=related

S4 Informers Volume Three
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=55324C71E40F58A5&search_query=s4+informers+volume+three

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (01 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ0-GQEUSKM&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (02 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-3xC850SPI&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (03 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=496JyiYCLco&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (04 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1y5vT9ptYE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (05 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTJuVP4opC8&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (06 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czjscDXjkU4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (07 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iDGjuvw00M&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (08 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ8z2OlGPtE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (09 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc9H7X6hiu4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (10 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpJ9wPXIfzU&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (11 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0n1GLvfMrY&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (12 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnJQXswHLp8&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (13 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT9Lu-MS3co&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (14 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtltZGqTlaU&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (15 of 17 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGeQt4zbvw&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (16 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgGys30XZg&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (17 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mgjLet0Tw&feature=related

Testimony of CIA assassin recruited from Navy SEALs goes online with documents
July 16, 9:19 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Testimony-of-CIA-assassin-recruited-from-Navy-SEALs-goes-online-with-documents

Slide show of Evidence regarding CIA assassin/S4 Area 51 sentry:
http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryID=402157

UFO Hypotheses Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/ufohypotheses





President Kennedy’s UFO involvement led to assassination order
June 15, 7:02 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d15-President-Kennedys-UFO-involvement-led-to-assassination-order

Bill O'Reilly Reports On CIA Connection to JFK Assassination (this must have been when O'Reilly had a Soul and wasn't such a tool for the radical right)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvdS-1dcVxw&feature=player_embedded

The Majestic Documents:
http://majesticdocuments.com/documents/1960-1969.php#burnedmemo
http://majesticdocuments.com/index.php

JFK MJ-12
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6404101/JFK-MJ12

Part I. Was President Kennedy given ET UFO message about Cuba?
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d20-Was-President-Kennedy-given-extraterrestrial-message-about-Cuban-Missile-Crisis

Part II. Did President Kennedy meet extraterrestrials?
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d21-Did-President-Kennedy-meet-extraterrestrials

Part III. Kennedy linked US-USSR space missions with classified UFO files
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d27-President-Kennedy-linked-joint-lunar-missions-with-classified-UFO-files

Part IV - Kennedy assassination linked to UFOs and CIA
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d9-Kennedy-assassination-linked-to-UFOs-and-CIA

Part V - CIA Director issued secret directive denying President Kennedy access to UFO files
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d12-CIA-Director-issued-secret-directive-preventing-President-Kennedy-access-to-UFO-files



I realize that is a lot of homework to do and watch, but if you are at all interested in knowing the truth, it is out there as they say.

I have fixed most of the links, a few more are needing fixing. I'm on it. Some links are just too long. Cut and paste them into the browser to view them.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 15, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
ever heard of this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

read his book the matrix
fascinating stuff.

or this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_ra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3Trh10Jr8

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 04:39pm PT
d-know,

Yes I know about David I. I even have his video tapes called "Revelations of a Mother Goddess," Arizona Wilder interviewed by David Icke.

I do not know what to think of it. I do know there is an incredibly evil underground Satanic worship/religion that goes on Worldwide and the rich powerful elite NWO is definatley directly dialed in and connected to it. She clearly brings this out. I don't doubt that for a minute. Lucifer is the King and he is in power for a short time on this Earth, and those in World government and positions of power he has great influence over. Just read Jesus's temptation in the wilderness for 40 days in the Bible. It explains this.

But it is only for a short season. God is in control and allows this, but only for a short time out of all eternity. The day of judgement is coming. God wins in the end. I look forward to the World of Peace to come and the 1000 year millenium rule by GOD, before the great day of judgement. Lord knows we have screwed up the natural World real bad and it needs to be healed. We need God's intervention big time. I look forward to that day of Peace and I can go and visit Jesus and worship him and hear all about the mysteries of the Universe that we do not know. Can't wait to see him face to face. I hope he wants to see me as well. And I only have that opportunity to see him because of the gift of grace he has given me, that he has given all of us.

Now about the shape-shifting she describes and these evil spirits changing and manfesting as reptilians, I'm not so sure about. The good book does say the Lucifer can appear as an Angel of Light, so who knows?

I do not know what to think about it, only that there is great evil in the World and it rules the Earth at this time.
Weenis

Trad climber
Tel Aviv
Nov 15, 2009 - 04:43pm PT
Klimmer, Did you go to church this morning?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 04:52pm PT
No.

Last Sunday I did. My family did go today, though without me. Working on projects around the house in between ST sessions.
Weenis

Trad climber
Tel Aviv
Nov 15, 2009 - 04:55pm PT
Proud! I'm headed out for the afternoon. Have yourself(ves) a fine day.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
Nov 15, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
Isn't it true that frequent posting to SuperTopo is proof of possession by the Evil One? And that missing church on Sunday clinches it?

Anyway, these Conspiracy Theories wud be improoved if they had better speling, and didn't use unnecessary Capitals.
Climbing dropout

Trad climber
Vancouver, BC
Nov 15, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
I have captured some pretty good UFO clips on video the past 2 years.
Plasma type entities not metallic ships.

I have no explanations and am suspicious of those whom have too many answers.



Here is my video clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1VYCJHNw0Q

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 05:41pm PT
I am in the process of perhaps debunking the movie "The Fourth Kind" myself. I am not finished yet, but for a studio to go and make a mock-u-mentary and then claim it is real, and the footage they have is real, and that this did take place etc. and then to fake it so realistically is really beyond reason. It really is beyond artistry to fake and lie and then come out and say it is true. Most sensible studios would have made a statement at the end of the movie to say it was all done in fun, too make the audience feel it was real, but that in fact it isn't and it was all drama.

I think they should be heavily fined and so much so that it would ruin the studio. Really beyond reason to pull such a stunt.

If a documentary is made and they say it is real and not faked, then the audience should believe that is in fact the truth. They crossed a line that should never be crossed.


This website seems to be doing a great deal to debunk the movie with good links to prove it:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Nome-Alaska-Abuductions-Real-t25968.html&st=20



I suppose I should have done a little leg work before going to the movie. I saw the trailer and just said wow, I'm gonna go see it. What a dissapointment.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/
"Fourth Kind: The Movie - CORRECTION: I understand this was a BLAIR WITCH TYPE HOAX (this crossed my mind initially, as it came across as authentic if strangely skewed and seemed over the top) but then I wondered, could it be true. With this in mind I do not recommend it, except as a study into the motivation behind the deception that must be involved in the release of this very dark and disturbing film currenlty in theaters. It is about abduction, specifically centered around what they claim are true cases that took place in Nome, Alaska. What happened in that town appears well documented and is shot to appear more like a documentary than a typical Hollywood film.

While it is true that all abductions do not result in people who want to save the earth and join the aliens in their ships without any kind of discernment, in order to save themselves from future earth changes... It is puzzling that they would mix strong references to the Annunaki (the dark side) as well as satanic type interactions leaving the open question as to just who the abductors are and what their purpose is other than to foster further ridiculue and confusion on the part of real experienccers.

The use of the ancient Sumarian language (recorded on tape is especially riveting and puzzling and makes little or no sense in connection with the abductions themselves and it would seem the use of this device is done by either superficial ufo researchers who don't know any better or by some more sophisticated group with an agenda in mind.

The real question is what might be the motivation for the hoax (other than money). What is clear, is that in taking the real and making it appear as hyper-real and deceiving the viewers until the jinx is up as they say the filmmakers and studio set themselves up to further confuse and disgust the public who are waking up to the real truth behind the fiction on a daily basis. What is perhaps most striking about this recent effort, is how receptive the public is to such a reality...simply because they know it to be the truth.

In the theater, people just sat there at the end. They were taken in by the documentary quality and statements made that the film was based on 'true' events.

The truth is out there... It would be great if the filmmakers were able to put their hearts and minds behind it.

Revised in light of the Blair Witch formula apparently used as the template for this unfortunate horror film.

--Kerry "



Yes, I'll admit it. I got suckered bigtime. I hope there is enough back-lash to ruin the studio. What an incredible evil hoax, to manipulate people like this.

Aliens on the other hand are real. They just aren't who they say they are.

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 15, 2009 - 05:59pm PT
Would aliens/demons/angels exist IF no one believed in them?

For that matter - do gods exist only because enough human energy flows into the manifestation of such?

I ask because our history is filled with gods and demons and aliens that seemingly ceased to be after their cultures abandoned active belief in them.

When's the last time you ran across Ra in the grocery store line? Haven't noticed Zeus at Starbucks lately - what's up with that?

All though I certainly don't discount the notion of other forms of energy or beings inhabiting some plain of existence - I can't help but feel that OUR special creatures are born of human imagination.

Remember the story if the kids didn't believe in fairies - then Tinkerbell would die.
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2009 - 06:12pm PT
klimmer -- Aliens on the other hand are real. They just aren't who they say they are.

And your version? Please no links to places on the internet only your own baseline analysis/information.

It can be concise, but I need to see where you, yourself, are really coming from.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 15, 2009 - 06:55pm PT
Whadda you bet Klimmer sleeps with a nightlight.

Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Nov 15, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
"I'm glad I'm a Christian and know the truth about Aliens = Fallen Angels, Nephalim, and/or Demons."







Whack Job!!!

movin' on!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
Werner,

I've answered that question many, many times on ST.


Ricky D.,

I do sleep with a light. A light that illuminates my soul -- The Light of GOD.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 07:26pm PT
Here is some more on the background of the story . . . that the studio/writer took liberty to enhance at will . . .

From another website:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Nome-Alaska-Abuductions-Real-t25968.html&st=20

"Hey this could add some insight... funny is i joined because of this thread... I live in Alaska and that movie.... is "based on real" events just like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which was "based" on two serial killers. So overall... since 1960 there have been 20 disappearances with 9 of them never finding the bodies. Most of them were Native Americans and were found to be floating in the near by rivers dead or on the tundra.... This is where I believe the Dr. Abigail Tyler comes from. She currently is not in Nome probably due to her child being missing and her husband committing suicide and her whereabouts are unknown.

They do not say in the news articles what she was a doctor of... her husband was a physchatrist.... also they video taped that movie in Bulgaria... definately not Alaska... just like 30 days and nights was videotaped in New Zealand.... Believe what you want but I think its so people wont visit Alaska... It is a very wide open country and getting lost and dying happens all the time. These movies come about due to the fact that most places in Alaska are inaccessible except by plane and it is winter 3/4 of the year.

Anyways heres the news articles and their links CHECK EM OUT!!!"



http://www.northpacificnewsarchive.com/news/archive/articles/9-2000/Fairbanks-Daily-News-Miner-Psychologists-Death-Suicide.html
Nome Psychologist's Death an Apparent Suicide
September 29th, 2000
Staff Report

Fairbanks Daily News-Miner
FAIRBANKS - The Office of the State Medical Examiner concluded on Tuesday that the death of Nome psychiatrist Dr. William Tyler was the result of an apparent suicide.

On September 5, Dr. Tyler's body was found in his home by his wife Dr. Abigail Tyler. At the time Nome police had no evidence of foul play, but Alaska state law requires the Medical Examiner to investigate the cause of death for all deaths caused by violence.

The case gained some notoriety in past weeks because of the disappearance of Dr. Tyler's five-year-old daughter on October 5th.

http://www.northpacificnewsarchive.com/news/archive/articles/10-2005/Nome-Nugget-Missing-Ashley-Tyler-Unsolved.html
Five Years Later, Mystery Still Surrounds Case of Missing Girl
October 2005
By Laurie McNicholas
The Nome Nugget
NOME - This month marks the 5-year anniversary of the disappearance of Ashley Tyler. It is a case that still haunts the family and local authorities.

Ashley Tyler disappeared from her home in the early morning hours of October 5, 2000. The five years that have passed since the disappearance have only served to deepen the mystery, and the case remains unsolved.

"It still gets to me," said Nome's former chief of police Charlie Moates. "We've had people go missing before, and you do your best. But to have a little girl just up and disappear is hard to wrap your head around."

Adding to the mystery were the bizarre series of events in the life of the Tyler family in the weeks before the incident. They include the suicide of Dr. Tyler's husband, Dr. Will Tyler, and the murder-suicide committed by one of her patients, Tommy Stapleton.

"This town's been through a lot. I hope the families involved are able to find some peace," said Chief Moates. When asked if he was fully satisfied that Dr. Tyler was indeed innocent of the alleged crime Chief Moats was noncommittal.

"I mean, around here, we go with the evidence, and the evidence said let her go."

Dr. Tyler left Nome in the years since the disappearance and could not be located for comment at the time of publication. Chief Moates and the local authorities remain hopeful that the next five years will yield more answers than the last five.

http://www.alaskanewsrecords.org/news/records/10-15-2000/Seattle-Times-Stapleton-Murders.html
Local Catholic Diocese & Schools Respond to Stapleton Murders
The Seattle Times
Staff Reporter
October 15, 2000
Nome, Alaska - Local radio station KNOM radio, privately owned by the Catholic Diocese of Northern Alaska, as well as local schools, Nome Elementary and Nome Beltz Jr. High School, have teamed up to respond to recent tragedies related to the Stapleton and Tyler families of Nome. KNOM announced this morning the coordination of a crisis intervention support team and counseling center that will be operational as of this Monday.

Psychologists and counselors will be flown in from Anchorage and from as far away as Washington D.C. to support the Nome community in processing and coping with the shock, stress and questions that the town's many young children, as well as their parents, are experiencing.

Nome Elementary and Nome Beltz Jr. High School have both cancelled a week of classes as the crisis teams overtake both schools' gymnasiums with the temporary counseling centers. Counselors on hand are specialized in grief and stress management. According to local resident and parent Emily Krost, they will hopefully be instrumental in helping her family and children come to terms with the sudden turn of events that have emotionally devastated her family and others.

October 3rd, a tragic triple murder-suicide culminated in the loss of the Stapleton family. That event was followed by the disappearance of a local 8-year old girl, whose name has been withheld on the basis of confidentiality as it relates to an on-going investigation by the Nome Police Department.



Edit:

Has anyone tried to follow the links above to these articles? They do not exist. That is how insidious this lie is.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 07:48pm PT
This once news reporter makes some good points . . .


http://www.alien-ufos.com/Nome-Alaska-Abuductions-Real-t25968.html&st=40

"Hi everyone,
I came across this forum looking for info on Dr. Tyler.
But I mainly joined up to say this:

I was a "mainstream" news reporter for 13 years. Almost every reporter I ever met would love to be the one to break "THE" UFO story that proves it all. And we do NOT overlook cases. I can't recall a single good incident in my career that didn't go reported except one, and in that case there were children's identities involved and no real evidence.
The problem we have is this: When we report it, nothing happens. Remember when all those people saw that UFO over O'Hare Airport? The one that left a big hole in the clouds? We reported the holy hell out of that story. Nothing.
Phoenix Lights? Reported it, showed video on TV. It headlined newscasts nationwide. The next day, nothing had changed.
HELLO! We ran clear footage of a giant black triangle cruising over a major US city like they were going to pull into McDonald's and order a Big Mac. People looked at it, watched the footage, and I think most people who saw it concluded: "Yep, that's a non-human vehicle flying over one of our cities!" Even the governor came out a few years later and admitted he and his staff had tried to sweep it under the rug and he didn't buy the military story.
The next morning, I got up, ate my cheerios, went to work....and nothing had changed.
One that I directly did some footwork on happened when I was a reporter in Michigan. Hundreds of witnesses saw an object cross the state and extremely high speed, the National Weather Service tracked it and said their radar confirmed it went from something like a dead stop to 10 miles away in one second. A camera man working for a Kalamazoo news station got the vehicle on video tape for more than a minute. The next day everyone said "Oh! Neat! Wierddddd!" And went upon their merry frickin' way.
We report it if it's got enough meat.
Hell, the only reason almost anyone knows about Roswell is because every newspaper in the country ran that wire story.
Gulf Breeze? Reported
Mexico City flap? Reported.
About every five years or so there's a bunch of sightings over DC. They all get reported.
Area 51 is a household name...because it got reported on.
We, as reporters, don't know what else to do. We report the news. We report UFO incidents that seem truly newsworthy, meaning that they have some solid evidence.
But once we report them, nothing ever seems to happen. It's out of our hands at that point. Somebody else has got to take the ball and run with it. We report the news, we don't make it.
If you don't believe me, believe Peter Jennings. Jennings knew he was retiring, and he got to do one last special. What topic did he choose? UFOs!
Do you think that's a coincidence? Hell no. He worked his butt off for that special, and it was a good piece as I recall.
He presented a lot of good evidence.
It seemed to have changed nothing.
it's frustrating for us as reporters, and when we hear people constantly saying that we don't report it, and then they immediately bring up, as proof, cases that were widely reported, it feels like we're getting the shaft from both ends.
You show a reporter good evidence, and he'll run a UFO story.
After that, somebody's got to turn that coverage into synergy and energize the issue. We can only do so much. Somebody has to pick up the ball and carry it further down field, or no matter how good the evidence is, this cycle will keep happening over and over.

Sorry about the rant and tangent.
I don't think Dr. Tyler existed, from what I've seen here and elsewhere. It's either completely viral or a composite character and events based around the world. If it is a composite, they've screwed their validity by putting up viral news sites that can easily be disproven, and it may actually hurt abduction investigations."


they've screwed their validity by putting up viral news sites that can easily be disproven, and it may actually hurt abduction investigations.

Perhaps that was the intention all along. Fight the UFO investigative community with a really well done movie that is very believable. Check.
Then debunk it and let the actual truth of the existance of UFOs, abductions, etc. suffer as a result.
Check.
Brings doubt back in people's minds.


Did Karl Rove write this story? This whole movie hoax thing seems very Karl Rovish . . .
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 15, 2009 - 08:03pm PT
"Yes, I'll admit it. I got suckered bigtime. "

Kudos for a rare admirable quality, most essential to someone willing to question status quo thinking.

Once you step outside the box, the standard untruth is challenged by a myriad of other distortions and fantasies.

Doesn't mean nothing is real, but it's tricky

Peace

Karl
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
rrider,

Werner Von Braun said . . .


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2218
"Just before he [von Braun] died, he gave an interview to Carol Rosin, in which he basically said that in order to sustain the military-industrial complex that first a false threat of terrorists would be created and used on the public and then asteroids and finally a false alien threat."

This is also discussed in The Disclosure Project, his secretary gives a statement to this regard in the program if I remember right.

Well, we have seen the terrorist threat come to pass. They have certainly talked about the Asteroid threat, and programs are in place to search for NEOs. The thing that remains is an Alien threat. Even President Ronald Ray-Gun eluded to this.

Regan's ALIEN speech to UN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Nov 16, 2009 - 12:24am PT
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn...
Bad Climber

climber
Nov 16, 2009 - 12:55am PT
Klimmer: How much time did you put into typing all that drivel? I mean, really? Time to get a life. Or, if you have been drinking too much, time to stop. Or, if you have not been drinking, it's time to start. If you live in Cali., I hear it's pretty easy to get a medical Mary Jane card. And since you have a recognizable condition, virtually any doctor would sign off on it.

Holy freakin' cats!

BAd
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 16, 2009 - 05:20am PT
Jeebus is an alien and the only reason he ain't been back in 2k years is because SPACE IS BIG and it would be amazing if he were to make it back while there is still anything we'd recognize as 'humans'.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
Very interesting story from the Vatican, not sure I agree completely though, differences of opinion. I would like to hear what they have to say about the book of Enoch which they helped pull from the Bible, but that is another arguement for another day . . . unless you read and understand the book of Enoch, you will not know the truth of what/who Aliens really are.

11/11 - The Vatican Says ET Probably Exists
http://darkmission.blogspot.com/2009/11/1111-vatican-says-et-probably-exists.html

VATICAN-ALIENS May-14-2008 (540 words) xxxi
Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption
By John Thavis
Catholic News Service
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802629.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hf92aHEwYT87J1XPP4JrIusKBT-AD9BSTO1G1
http://newslite.tv/2009/11/12/vatican-astronomer-aliens-coul.html



Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2009 - 01:46am PT
VERY INTERESTING VIDEO ON WORLDWIDE UFO/ET DISCLOSURE -- EXOPOLITICS.

I agree with Steve, it would be the only way for the US to gain back any trust is to stop the Truth Embargo and disclose.

The US government has dug itself into such a deep hole, there really is no other way out.

Confession is good for the soul. You can't get forgiveness until you confess, disclose, and ask for the peoples' forgiveness. I wonder if the US is honorable enough to do this. I hope so.

Then we have to deal with Who, and What the ETs are really. Well, the Bible and the Book of Enoch have a lot to say about that . . .



Steve Bassett Exopolitics Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ZgKetkxZM&feature=player_embedded#
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 20, 2009 - 01:48am PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2009 - 09:37am PT
Ed,

I hope when full discloseure happens you will not be so suprised as Buchwheat, and also brandishing a knife! (lol)
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2009 - 03:53pm PT
I have nothing but fondness for Catholics, they are fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ, although I do not agree 100% with Catholic doctrine, we agree on much . . . having said that . . .


This is a very interesting article that talks about why UFOs/Aliens/ETs/EBEs are not to be trusted and what are they really . . .

UFOs: Part of the Great End-Times Deception…
http://www.tldm.org/News13/US-OfficialDisclosureUfosImminent.htm
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Nov 22, 2009 - 04:10pm PT
klimmer - The post I just reviewed the top of pretty much puts you in a class all yourself....


"
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 12:22pm PT
WBruan,

Yes, I suppose I do ask for it at times. I know these issues are contraversial. Life is contraversial. Seeking the truth of the matter is always contraversial. Perhaps I should just plug in and turn off just like the rest of the World? . . .

Nope. Not gonna happen. Life is too short.




Any who, here is some real "meat" for those of you who want to know the truth:

Any secret government entity willing to do the following to hide the truth of the matter is beyond evil and doing as the Father of all lies (Lucifer)would want them to do. That can not be good. Complete and Full Disclosure has not happened yet because the lies and deceit are incredibly wrong and evil. They do not want anyone to know how involved they really are. A relationship and agreements with Aliens/ETs/EBEs is a relationship with the Devil himself. Evil is as evil does.




About Disclosure . . .


I keep going back and forth on this. It does seem like disclosure might be close at hand, because of statements by . . .

John Podesta UFO Disclosure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Sz-MgoFos&feature=player_embedded

The Disclosure Project
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218#

Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent
October 21, 12:27 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent

And the fact that President Obama spent 2 full days at Nellis Airforce base in Nevada, which is also the infamous home of Area 51, Groom Lake, S-4, Papoose Lake. What did he do there for 2 days besides giving a short speech?

President Obama Speaks at Nellis Air Force Base on Energy Policy
CQ Transcripts Wire
Wednesday, May 27, 2009; 3:40 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/27/AR2009052702379.html

And the Catholic Church and the Pope is coming forward and asking questions and saying it is ok to believe in Aliens and even sponsoring studies and meetings looking into it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6536400/The-Vatican-joins-the-search-for-alien-life.html

http://news.aol.com/article/vatican-weighs-possibility-implications/761942?icid=main|main|dl1|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fvatican-weighs-possibility-implications%2F761942


It could be that disclosure is upon us. But then I run into the deep, dark secret stories about what is really going on, and I think how can they let the cat out of the bag with all the massive cover-up they have been doing since 1947 (at least)? And all the high crimes, murders, assissinations that go along with the massive cover-up? How can they allow the treason that they have been performing for so long and abussing the World with, how can they possibly let it out and be known? The UFO secret and their in-bed relationship with them (a relationship with Lucifer himself, whether they know it or not) and secret agreements and the the technology they have acquired, and back-engineered to essentially dominate the World with, how can they possibly allow all of these secrets to come out? The moment they admit to UFOs/ETs, is also the moment they will expose the entire massive cover-up. No one will believe that they have been hiding all of this to protect the World and that they were just following the guidelines laid down by the Brookings Report: http://www.darkmission.net/fear.htm



Here are a long series of video clips all in order to watch.


The truth of what has been happening behind closed doors and with a secret unlawful Cabal at the highest levels of our government, that does not answer to the President or to Congress, and that continues to operate perpetually from one administration to another is unbelievable scary, evil, and Satanic. They are in bed and controlled by the NWO rich, powerful, elite of the World. How can they let this be fully discovered and disclosed?



Testimony of CIA assassin recruited from Navy SEALs goes online with documents
July 16, 9:19 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Testimony-of-CIA-assassin-recruited-from-Navy-SEALs-goes-online-with-documents

S4 Informers Volume One
The long-awaited release of the 1991 "Connor O'Ryan" testimony. Featuring Wendelle C. Stevens, Robert O. Dean, Gem Cox and many others. We let you know it all...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CD7424712D84DEE3

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (01 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=holCY20CtNA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (02 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GbetmJF1E&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (03 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9WKDYWLp4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (04 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNCPDj5U4b4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNCPDj5U4b4&feature=player_embedded#t=196
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (05 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAa60qcuIfU&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (06 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcL0rjX7VVA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (07 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gsGVLzcneM&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (08 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3MSCFMiMA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (09 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0vD6AldwIA&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (10 of 12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw89u5UCTC4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (11 of 12) august edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0NNblmFSY&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (12 of 12) august edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ld5NalUPk&feature=related


S4 Informers Volume Two
S4 Informers Volume Two. Takes up where the first volume leaves off. Things just get more and more interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=03AB12ACB6CB22B9&search_query=s4+informers+volume+two

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (01 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7tiIB8eC1s&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (02 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2KABICBgE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (03 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbnTt3LbsAc&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (04 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JRFSNNlLFI&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (05 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4mfrui1Ik&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (06 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSEHaobNDOQ&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (07 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJiD_iU0410&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (08 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN1G5aTavX8&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (09 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUjK0kEEWQ&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (10 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mnoqV-DuaE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (11 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEdTSqriwrI&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (12 of 12) final cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biP7z-xYs18&feature=related

S4 Informers Volume Three
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=55324C71E40F58A5&search_query=s4+informers+volume+three

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (01 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ0-GQEUSKM&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (02 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-3xC850SPI&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (03 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=496JyiYCLco&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (04 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1y5vT9ptYE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (05 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTJuVP4opC8&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (06 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czjscDXjkU4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (07 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iDGjuvw00M&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (08 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ8z2OlGPtE&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (09 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc9H7X6hiu4&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (10 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpJ9wPXIfzU&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (11 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0n1GLvfMrY&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (12 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnJQXswHLp8&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (13 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT9Lu-MS3co&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (14 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtltZGqTlaU&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (15 of 17 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGeQt4zbvw&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (16 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgGys30XZg&feature=related
UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (17 of 17)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mgjLet0Tw&feature=related

Testimony of CIA assassin recruited from Navy SEALs goes online with documents
July 16, 9:19 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Testimony-of-CIA-assassin-recruited-from-Navy-SEALs-goes-online-with-documents

Slide show of Evidence regarding CIA assassin/S4 Area 51 sentry:
http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryID=402157

UFO Hypotheses Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/ufohypotheses





President Kennedy’s UFO involvement led to assassination order
June 15, 7:02 AMHonolulu Exopolitics ExaminerMichael Salla, Ph.D.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d15-President-Kennedys-UFO-involvement-led-to-assassination-order

Bill O'Reilly Reports On CIA Connection to JFK Assassination (this must have been when O'Reilly had a Soul and wasn't such a tool for the radical right)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvdS-1dcVxw&feature=player_embedded

The Majestic Documents:
http://majesticdocuments.com/documents/1960-1969.php#burnedmemo
http://majesticdocuments.com/index.php

JFK MJ-12
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6404101/JFK-MJ12

Part I. Was President Kennedy given ET UFO message about Cuba?
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d20-Was-President-Kennedy-given-extraterrestrial-message-about-Cuban-Missile-Crisis

Part II. Did President Kennedy meet extraterrestrials?
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d21-Did-President-Kennedy-meet-extraterrestrials

Part III. Kennedy linked US-USSR space missions with classified UFO files
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d27-President-Kennedy-linked-joint-lunar-missions-with-classified-UFO-files

Part IV - Kennedy assassination linked to UFOs and CIA
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d9-Kennedy-assassination-linked-to-UFOs-and-CIA

Part V - CIA Director issued secret directive denying President Kennedy access to UFO files
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d12-CIA-Director-issued-secret-directive-preventing-President-Kennedy-access-to-UFO-files



I realize that is a lot of homework to do and watch, but if you are at all interested in knowing the truth, it is out there as they say.

I have fixed most of the links, a few more are needing fixing. I'm on it. Some links are just too long. Cut and paste them into the browser to view them."






Full Blown Wack-a-loon!!
(eyes wide open)


Holly cow.. that's extreme...

Try some soothing tea or something...

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2009 - 08:42pm PT
Rokjox,

I enjoy the ST forum. We can talk about many things here and sometimes even climbing!

I have to admit that I like Chris Mac's format here on the "Taco" very much. The thing is, what we say is archived and searchable, that is really a great resource. Also truth be known, I do send others here to browse and read, so I'm not just speaking to fellow Supertopians only.

About Apollo 20 and the "Mona Lisa" EBE. I do not know what to think honestly. It is an incredible story, but is it true? I do not know. Did they really find the EBE and bring her back? I do not know. Could it be faked? Yes.

What I do know is that there is a huge anomally on the backside of the Moon that is within many official NASA Apollo images, that is about 2.44 miles long and about .44 miles wide and tall. I have analyized using Google Moon and have located the anomolly location precisely and have taken measurements, but wouldn't you know it is is heavily pixelated and really poor resolution.

What I would like to see happen is NASA's hand forced to release the LRO images in high resolution of this anomally, just as they have for all the Apollo landing sites. The imagery is so good we can see the footprint tracks from the astronauts. One high resolution official NASA image of this entire anomally from the LRO with no airbrushing, pixelating or any other digital erasing technique is all it would take, and game over. We would all know in an instant. This must happen, the sooner the better.

Later I will post the images from my Google Moon session and show what I have learned . . . going to a party and dinner now, I'll post later . . .


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2009 - 12:03am PT
I will describe these images and analysis soon, now I'm just posting them . . .







Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 23, 2009 - 12:10am PT
Forget about the "Illuminati". It's the klimmerati that I worry about.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 26, 2009 - 12:42pm PT
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Hope it is a great day with cheer, family, and good food. Don't forget to do something fun like climb, skate, ski, surf, jump off cliffs with a parachute, fly thermals whatever . . . just don't eat too much ;-))


Rokjox,

Glad to see you're wading through all those videos. Very eye opening for sure and it really shows how far our government is willing to go to hide the truth. Scary stuff. Yea, the evil one Cheney, has been to S-4 and has been seen looking at the crafts and the EBEs (when he was Secretary of Defense), apparently photos were taken of him secretly doing so. That is what they were after is getting all this photo evidence back that was smuggled out by this S-4 Sentry/Assassin. Multiple copy sets were made and hidden. Assissins going after one of there own. Incredible really and scary stuff. Isn't our government soooo warm and benevolent? They are as warm and benevolent as an ice-pick sticking out of the forehead of an innocent lamb, in a deep freezer.



Here is one of the best UFO videos ever made in my opinion, narrated by Peter Coyote (really good). Enjoy!:

Out of the Blue
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5545276251937701731#
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2009 - 12:27am PT
EBE disclosure just happened November, 2009, but no one was paying much attention! You had to know they would slip it in disguised and uneventful like this. Well, its one way of doing things I suppose. No, "War Of The Worlds" mass hysteria . . .

The meteoritics world was paying attention, and the meteorite world is all abuzz again about the possible fossilized evidence of microbial life within the carbonates of the Mars meteorite ALH84001.

The famous Mars meteorite ALH84001 is back in the news, and maybe it really does have the bio-signatures of fossilized extremophile cryptoendolithic microbial life after all in the form of Magentite nanocrystals.

They have invalidated the abiotic methods of the origins of the magnetite nanocrystals in Martian meteorite ALH84001, leaving other methods of their origin such as biogenesis intact.


Martian meteorite surrenders new secrets of possible life
BY CRAIG COVAULT
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
Posted: November 24, 2009
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0911/24marslife/

"The document is part of the November issue of the respected journal Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, the journal of the Geochemical and Meteoritic Society.
Its authors are Kathie Thomas-Keprta, Simon Clement, David McKay (who led the original team), Everett Gibson and Susan Wentworth, all of the Johnson Space Center. Keprta is the principal author.
Although led by a Johnson Space Center team, the additional evidence for Martian life in the Allen Hills meteorite has been an open topic for the last several weeks in astrobiology division halls at the NASA Ames Research Center near San Francisco and at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena. It's hot news.
The new work centers on so-called magnetic bacteria that on Earth, and apparently Mars as well, leave distinctively-shaped remnants in the rock. In addition the features test with a high chemical purity more like a biological feature than geological.
These are just like the magnetite-related life forms found in the meteorite believed to represent Martian life forms, says Dr. Dennis Bazylinski, who peer reviewed the new findings. He also studies such Earth life forms in his laboratory at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.
"I think the paper is really excellent. I have no trouble with the paper," Bazylinski told Spaceflight Now.
"I work on magnetic bacteria, and one indication there was life on ancient Mars are these particular magnetite crystals in the meteorite that look like they came out of magnetic bacteria. At first [when the data was reported in 1996], I thought there might have been an error. I have no doubt about that now. I know there is no error," Bazylinski stressed.
"The big question is can these things [magnetite crystals] be reliable magneto fossils, and that is a matter of debate.
"But it turns out that the magnetic bacteria make some very unique shapes of magnetite crystals. And one of the organisms we work with on Earth makes particles that look virtually identical to what we see from Mars in the meteorite."


For the original 47 page research paper see:
http://www.geochemsoc.org/publications/gcajournal/

Origins of magnetite nanocrystals in Martian meteorite
ALH84001
K.L. Thomas-Keprta a,*, S.J. Clemett a,*, D.S. McKay b, E.K. Gibson b,
S.J. Wentworth a
aESCG at NASA/Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX 77058, USA
b KR, ARES, NASA/Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX 77058, USA
Received 20 July 2008; accepted in revised form 18 May 2009; available online 16 June 2009, published in gca journal November 24, 2009


From the actual research article:

"Abstract
The Martian meteorite ALH84001 preserves evidence of interaction with aqueous fluids while on Mars in the form of
microscopic carbonate disks. These carbonate disks are believed to have precipitated 3.9 Ga ago at beginning of the Noachian
epoch on Mars during which both the oldest extant Martian surfaces were formed, and perhaps the earliest global oceans.
Intimately associated within and throughout these carbonate disks are nanocrystal magnetites (Fe3O4) with unusual chemical
and physical properties, whose origins have become the source of considerable debate. One group of hypotheses argues that
these magnetites are the product of partial thermal decomposition of the host carbonate. Alternatively, the origins of magnetite
and carbonate may be unrelated; that is, from the perspective of the carbonate the magnetite is allochthonous. For
example, the magnetites might have already been present in the aqueous fluids from which the carbonates were believed to
have been deposited. We have sought to resolve between these hypotheses through the detailed characterization of the compositional
and structural relationships of the carbonate disks and associated magnetites with the orthopyroxene matrix in
which they are embedded. Extensive use of focused ion beam milling techniques has been utilized for sample preparation.
We then compared our observations with those from experimental thermal decomposition studies of sideritic carbonates
under a range of plausible geological heating scenarios. We conclude that the vast majority of the nanocrystal magnetites present
in the carbonate disks could not have formed by any of the currently proposed thermal decomposition scenarios. Instead,
we find there is considerable evidence in support of an alternative allochthonous origin for the magnetite unrelated to any
shock or thermal processing of the carbonates.
 2009 Published by Elsevier Ltd."



"5. SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
Two heating scenarios described herein provide the geological
context for the decomposition models developed
independently by Brearley (2003) and Treiman (2003).
These models are contradictory; that is, they cannot both
have occurred since application of one model negates the
applicability of the other. The first is based on carbonate
decomposition occurring under “extreme disequilibrium
conditions” in which “kinetics are the dominant controlling
factor” determining the chemical and physical nature of the
magnetites that are formed. Although never explicitly addressed,
this model is most consistent with the impact event
that ejected ALH84001 from Mars. In the second model,
carbonate decomposition occurs “at some depth beneath
the Martian surface where the pressure was greater than
the atmospheric pressure and the temperature declined
slowly.” However, based on kinetic and thermodynamic
arguments, both models proposed for the high temperature,
inorganic formation of ALH84001 magnetite would not
have produced the results observed in ALH84001 carbonate
disks. ALH84001 carbonate assemblages can be best explained
as the result of low temperature, disequilibrium precipitation
from a single fluid with variable composition or from
multiple fluids. Nanophase magnetite and Fe-sulfides were
suspended in fluids that formed the disk cores and rims.
After deposition ALH84001 carbonate disks were exposed
to multiple fluids containing amorphous silica, additional
nanophase magnetite, and S- and Fe-rich phases, some of
which were deposited in veins. While the majority of
ALH84001 magnetites were deposited in silica enriched
rims and veins, some are also distributed throughout the
cores and within the magnesite bands. Most magnetites
are chemically pure, although a few contain minor Al/Cr.
Their presence is inconsistent with formation by thermal
decomposition of their host carbonate. We suggest that
the majority of ALH84001 magnetites has an allochthonous
origin and was added to the carbonate system from
an outside source. This origin does not exclude the possibility
that a fraction is consistent with formation by biogenic
processes, as proposed in previous studies."




**"Most magnetites are chemically pure, although a few contain minor Al/Cr. Their presence is inconsistent with formation by thermal decomposition of their host carbonate. We suggest that the majority of ALH84001 magnetites has an allochthonous origin and was added to the carbonate system from
an outside source. This origin does not exclude the possibility that a fraction is consistent with formation by biogenic processes, as proposed in previous studies."**

Well, there you have it. So how does it feel?

We have known for a long time (since 1976 Viking Mission when we first detected the metabolism of life within the Mars soil, although many will say that experiment was inconclusive) that life existed on Mars at least at some point in its geologic past, if not currently. Too many positive signs pointing to life's probablity on Mars for it not too be so.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2009 - 04:27am PT
Great program on Area 51 (and more) by the History Channel, one of the best!

UFO Hunters - Area 51 Revealed 1/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGOopaxooWs
2/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77KWqdQRIBI&feature=related
3/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRmUfkupQQY&feature=related
4/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmqmpz26Xdg&feature=related
5/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvALSDxJfww&feature=related


Enjoy!


My family and I have driven the Extraterrestrial Highway 375 and up to the Area 51 gate out of and near Rachel, NV. Got within 100' of the gate took pictures and then turned around. Security everywhere on the hillsides, "the Camo Dudes." Very bizarre.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2009 - 10:12pm PT
Great article on the famous ALH84001 Mars meteorite, with interview! Really Good!

Does the Allen Hills Meteorite from Mars
Contain Fossilized Microbial Life?
© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
12/24/09

“The Allen Hills Martian meteorite suggests there is evidence
for life on ancient Mars. If that is true ... there could still be life –
particularly in the subsurface regions of Mars”
 Kathie Thomas-Keptra, Ph.D., NASA Johnson Space Center

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1653&category=Science
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
Why Has U. K. Ministry of Defence Shut Down UFO Office?
© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
12/20/09

“There are objects in our atmosphere which are technically
miles in advance of anything that we can deploy, that we have no means
of stopping them coming here, and that we have no defense against them,
should they be hostile.” - Lord and Admiral Peter John Hill-Norton,
former U. K. Chief of Defense Staff and Chmn., NATO Military Comm.,
2000 TV interview before his death in 2004


http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1651&category=Environment
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2009 - 11:04pm PT
Considering all that we now know regarding Mars:

In 1976 possible metabolic processes of microbial life was detected, H2O ice found (plentiful), plenty of elluvial surface erosion detected across all the surface of Mars, minerals and sedimentary rocks (such as Jarosite) are found that only form in hydrologic environments, evidence of a once massive ocean covering a very large portion of the surface of Mars at one time in Mar's geologic past, massive glacial ice underground even near the equator are detected, water droplets on the Phoenix lander legs detected, sometimes balmy temperatures in the 70s(F) are detected at the mid-latitudes and equator region in the summer, seasonal release of Methane is detected in Mars atmosphere, there are often clear blue skies (unlike the red/orange haze that NASA shows), and very likely biogenetic magnetite nanocrystals are detected and now seem confirmed in the famous Mars meteorite ALH84001 (the original study now seems to be vindicated).

I would say we have indeed found life on Mars. No doubt in Mars past, but the evidence is stacking up that it is there right now. The seasonal release of Methane into Mars atmosphere seems to say so, and the 1976 contraversial experiment will probably be vindicated.

This very important study is now on-line free of charge:

Origins of magnetite nanocrystals in Martian meteorite ALH84001 (corrected report)
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/403099main_GCA_2009_final_corrected.pdf


And this is an excellent companion article and interview:

Does the Allen Hills Meteorite from Mars Contain Fossilized Microbial Life? © 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1653&category=Science





Earth-based bacteria called magnetotactic, or MV-1. The magnetite nanocrystals work like tiny compasses sensitive to the Earth's magnetic field allowing the microbial life form to sense direction when affected by these magnetic field–lines.









I would say that disclosure has happened. And just as they wanted it to happen. Nice and quite. Let the idea seep in to everyone's sub-consciousness over a long period of time and voila! no mass hesteria. No War of the Worlds. Just calm and understated as can be:

"Yea, there's microbial life on Mars. No big deal. No big whoop. We've known about it at least since 1976."


The announcement of the Brookings Institute study in the NY Times, December 15, 1960 (this report inspired a famous scene in the movie: Space Odessey 2001) . . .





Balmy blue skies with "normal colors." "Normal colors" on the color wheels, and the US flag also looks "normal" during the Viking Mission. Where were all the weird NASA red/orange induced hazy skies then?

ebneila

climber
Jacksonville, FL
Oct 14, 2011 - 09:32pm PT
Extraterrestrials (ETs) are very real. One has only to look at this planet to realize the life force is one of the most tenacious and mis-understood phenomenon known to man. The life force is NOT limited to carbon based forms of physiology nor is it limited to the boundries of Earth. There are extremely advanced civilizations that have evolved over billions of years, some older than our planet. The universe is teeming with all manner of life forms humans can barely imagine. Being truly alien in relation to Earthly environs, many entities have evolved under conditions that make them un-recognizable to humans as life forms. Because many process information in entirely different ways than humans, humans may not understand their intent or motivations for thousands -- if not millions of years from today. Humans have lulled themselves into believing they are the most evolved species in the universe -- but nothing could be farther from the truth. The next time you ask; why don't aliens come to Earth openly? Why would they? Try explaining who you are and human history to an ant. I Think you get the picture
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