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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 14, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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Lockers visit will be a portense, a harbringer known but to God and the glueman downstairs.
PS... locker... before you leave, you need to hang out wif mee!!!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Nov 14, 2009 - 12:17am PT
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For that Rocky Mountain high?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 14, 2009 - 12:27am PT
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Those rednecks?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 14, 2009 - 12:29am PT
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It was legal in Alaska, for a while.
Colorado is racing for second.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 14, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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It was legal in Alaska, for a while.
Colorado is racing for second.
Yeah for quite a while..then the FEDS bent the legislature over the highway funding barrel...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 14, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
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Where is my post
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 28, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
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I tried to buy legal cannabis in Oregon today - and got shut out!
I was looking for edibles ( I don't pay for smoking weed for the same reason I don't pay for avocados ) The place said they can't sell recreational edibles until they get their license updated, which will happen some time in the next couple days.
The guy did ask me if I was medical. I told him I needed it to treat my male pattern baldness affliction. ( worth a try )
He asked how that was working out. I said I wasn't growing any hair back, but it sure eases my suffering whenever I have to look at myself in a mirror.
Washington is on tomorrow's schedule. I guess I'll just have to suffer until then.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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May 28, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
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Actually, it's legal enough in Alaska:
http://norml.org/laws/item/alaska-penalties
Well, no, not legal enough: legal enough would be no more question about your right to smoke a plant than if you have the right to eat carrots. You own your body. And responsibility for it, of course.
That might be legal enough.
(I am obviously channeling Doug, as I sit in our room, where his desk used to be.)
back to admiring the clouds,
feralfae
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 28, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
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I live in Pueblo West, CO, a municipality about ten miles west of the city of Pueblo. PW voted no on the amendment that legalized sales in the state, but the city voted yes. Now there are about 12 outlets in our small community and no outlets in Pueblo - and the revenue generated here goes into the county pot, where it is distributed around, quite a bit going to the crime-ridden city of Pueblo and not much coming back out here where the money was made. Our streets and roads need funding, but we don't get our share of the tax money.
Not only that but something like 15 homes have been raided in PW, a relatively safe community of about 38,000, in the past month for massive illegal grows, many rented by some sort of syndicate in Denver and out of state. Most of those arrested are from Florida where the illegal stuff goes and a couple from Russia who drove here from NYC.
There is a drive now to place an amendment on the county ballot to eliminate legal pot in the county - and I will vote to do so, even though I originally voted for legal sales. I never expected so much illegal activity here when pot was for sale in so many places. Live and learn. Let this be a lesson in the unanticipated consequences of legalizing pot.
Denver, where it's legal in much of the city, is booming, however, with housing prices soaring.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 28, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
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I'll bet one of the selling points of the legalization initiative was that it would free up police resources to go after real crime. But it seems like the police are busier than ever enforcing "legal" marijuana laws.
The only smart legalization would be to simply repeal ALL the marijuana laws. And replace them with ... nothing.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 29, 2016 - 06:17am PT
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Fascinating perspective and insights Jogill.
This will never be an issue here behind the Zion curtain
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couchmaster
climber
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May 29, 2016 - 08:06am PT
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Chaz, thanks for the laugh! Sorry to hear of the issues Jgill. You might look at Oregon and Washington as models. It was decriminalized (with different rules for each state) and is working out great. I've got a dispensary a few blocks away from me now and there has been no trouble that I'm aware of caused by it. Perhaps the reverse. The good news is my friends that indulge, and who are honorable and honest to a fault, no longer face arrest, or worse, for it.
Long over due. Eventually it will all sort itself out.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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May 29, 2016 - 08:34am PT
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"Let this be a lesson in the unanticipated consequences of legalizing pot."
Bullsh#t! This is exactly what the damn yankees want. Legal here, not legal there. Prices through the roof for something that would grow in the yard. They always have been and always will be about money!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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May 29, 2016 - 08:35am PT
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Chaz...A local LEO lamented that our jails are less crowded because of decriminalization...And i wonder if Florida and the rest of the states were decriminalized would the problems in Pueblo West be happening...?
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 30, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
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Update & corrections:
A Denver Post article in todays paper adds several interesting factoids. DEA has identified 186 large-scale illegal grows in El Paso County, a few miles north of Pueblo, trafficking products to the Midwest and East Coast, some going into Mexico. In the 1980s the THC concentration was up to 11 percent coming from Mexico. Colorado now has 30 percent and up to 60 percent in hash oil. A single plant can produce products valued at up to $7,000 in Arkansas and New York.
Since the beginning of April Swat and DEA have raided 23 illegal grows in Pueblo County, arresting 35 people - 26 out of state and with ties to Florida. Six were Cuban nationals. There are ties to cartels. A DEA official stated that "Afghanistan is the source country for heroin . . . you [Colorado] are the source state for marijuana"
The city of Colorado Springs is tracking drugs to "well-funded organized crime operations."
None of this has made a substantial impact on the citizens of Pueblo or El Paso Counties, since all raids and arrests have been non-violent. Apparently the cartels and syndicates have a policy where growers are told to surrender peacefully and accept their punishments. Then the crime organizations buy several more homes and begin again.
$25,000 from pot taxes in PW ere recently given to Pueblo to send the homeless back to where thay came from - one way bus tickets. Some come here hoping to work in the trade, not realizing that this goal takes effort and time. Even then salaries are not much more than $7 to $15 an hour. And you have to be licensed by the state.
I suspect some of these problems arise from the wording of the state amendment allowing recreational pot to be sold and used. Counties and municiplaities were allowed to opt out of this legality if they voted to do so. So, Colorado is a patch-work of legal/non-legal areas.
And then there is the problem of businesses arranging with a bank for processing of monies: it's not happening, due to federal regulations. So there is an awful lot of cash around, guarded by security personnel.
All in all, think twice about the issue.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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May 30, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
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jogill, sir,
Is it not worthy of some consideration that your prohibitionist remarks might be merely a reflection of political and corporate indoctrination, no less than was used during alcohol prohibition? Body ownership should not be a question, although it often is a pet subject of those humans who seek control over other humans. (Apart from defending against the initiation of force, I mean.)
Perhaps the government-licensed press needs to enhance circulation with sensationalist reports, while the government agencies need to justify their existence and bloated budgets by inculcating as much fear as possible in non-questioning minds. The facts may be factual, but the underlying story might be quite far from what we are led to believe. Why this town? Why now? How many other towns are thus besieged for the same attributed reason?
Might there be another agenda not being considered?
(channeling Doug again, I imagine, up here in Fairybanks)
Just a thought.
Thank you.
Feralfae
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 30, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^ great post
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 30, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
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. . . your prohibitionist remarks might be merely a reflection of political and corporate indoctrination . . . (ff)
I'm no prohibitionist. And I haven't been brainwashed. I would prefer there be no limitations on growth & consumption, provided crime levels dropped. And Colorado is an experiment allowed by the Obama administration. I do put a certain amount of faith in the accuracy of the Denver Post. The Pueblo Chieftain is another matter. In the past scandals in Pueblo County have been first reported in the Post, then the Chieftain.
I doubt there is a conspiracy, but I'm sure there are some who would agree with you.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 30, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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feralfae,
John is not making Prohibitionist type moral arguments against using marijuana.
He is just pointing out that a mix of counties and states where it is legal in some places and illegal in others creates incentives for people to grow it (legally or illegally) with the goal of selling it illegally.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 30, 2016 - 07:32pm PT
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Feralfae, I also agree that you have totally misinterpreted JGills' posts.
You, of course, gloss over your own agenda, which appears to be MJ availability everywhere no matter what the cost.
It sounds like there are some problems with how the law was written in CO, but who wrote it? Not MJ antagonists! Not law enforcement!
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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May 30, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
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"In the 1980s the THC concentration was up to 11 percent coming from Mexico. Colorado now has 30 percent and up to 60 percent in hash oil. A single plant can produce products valued at up to $7,000 in Arkansas and New York."
60 percent!! Sorry but I ain't buying it! I've seen the percentages stated for some of the consumables and I call bull! 26% and it barely cut it.
The best i've had has been back in the day and we used to think 18% was kicking it! No there are not really any new strains that are that much more than what was already here. IMO what you are seeing is market hype to manipulate prices. 60% .... I reckon I'd be comatose for a week:)
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 30, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
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60 percent!! Sorry but I ain't buying it!
You would if you could, I'll bet!
I have a grandson who works in the industry here and I'll check with him.
EDIT:
Hash oil contains 30 % to 50 % THC (or more if washed with alkali). (Wikipedia)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Road trip upcoming. CA, OR & WA are legal, so I won't be bringing weed for the same reason I won't be bringing beer and cheeseburgers.
What do you call the places where weed is sold (legal)? Shops? Stores? Dispensaries? That one sounds like somewhere you go when you're sick.
What do you call the guy (gal) working the counter? "Budtender" seems like "bartenderesss", which pisses off female bartenders. (it'd probably piss off a male bartender, too)
Is it proper etiquette to tip those guys? How much? I hate to be the guy who stiffs someone everyone else sees fit to takes care of.
I read where Oregon has more weed than they can smoke.
http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/04/18/oregon-grew-more-cannabis-than-customers-can-smoke-now-shops-and-farmers-are-left-with-mountains-of-unwanted-bud/
Help is on its way.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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I remember when these were quite popular. Delivered right from Hawaii no less. No taxes, just disorganized crime_sters.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Here in San Diego they are making a fraction of what they expected to make off the taxes. the laws incentivized illegal growing! Agree with Chaz, repeal and let them operate like liquor stores.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Chaz, enjoy your time in the northwest. They're pretty much called retailers around here and don't forget they can only take cash, no debit or credit. THC content is listed on the packaging. I thought about getting into the analysis end of the business, as I run a wine lab and have some good equipment, but the price of entry is enormous.
Edited to add: Beware heading from Washington into Idaho; seems the Idaho LEOs are stopping non-Washington cars to check for MJ.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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I do not smoke so this is second hand knowledge but I have heard the prices in Oregon are very good.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Thanks, Winemaker. Having the time of my life, even though my trusty pickup quit running yesterday. I'm holed up in Santa Cruz licking my wounds while the Toyota guys get it back on the road. There's worse places to be stuck, by far. Two excellent breweries and two good taco stands within 200 yards of my room are keeping me occupied.
I thought about getting into the analysis end of the business, as I run a wine lab and have some good equipment, but the price of entry is enormous.
I understand the regs the growers (why are they called "growers", when everyone else who grows crops out of the ground are called farmers?) have to follow are just totally asinine. They're taxed, ahead of time, on the land they intend to use to grow weed, by the square foot, whether they produce a crop or not. Over time, this will weed out (see what I did there?) some of the Emerald Triangle shitbirds whose only talent is being an outlaw, not a farmer or business person. C'mon guys! What kind of a "farmer" hauls soil to his farm, and then has to engineer a custom climate for his crops to grow?
Contrast that with avocados. I asked nobody's permission to plant avocado trees, and I don't owe anybody anything unless and until I turn a profit. And then it's taxed just like the rest of my income.
They're pretty much called retailers around here and don't forget they can only take cash, no debit or credit.
"Retailer" sounds good.
Kind Peoples weed retailer in Santa Cruz is a professional operation. They have their sh#t together. They accept debit cards for payment. I'm not sure how they do it while others don't. They even have a weed vending machine, like the old cigarette machines.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I'm pretty sure these guys are all legit:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4177201,-123.2241259,3854m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
chaz better hope he never breaks down in humbolt or redding
or weed...
Twenty years ago, my mom was one of the big mucky-mucks at Humboldt State. As head of admissions, just a few weeks after taking the job, she had a recruitment video produced, which featured low-level aerial video, shot from a low-flying helicopter. No one told her that the people up there panic at the sight of any helicopter, most especially a low-flying one. And it's not because there are a bunch of 'Nam vets living with PTSD either.
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