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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 14, 2016 - 11:58pm PT

Thanks, MH2. As usual,

another +1 for Mh2, eh? The guy is on it:)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 16, 2016 - 06:30am PT
#ExMuslimBecause



..

Radicalization + Islamization

A match made in heaven?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/radicalization-of-islam-or-islamization-of-radicalism-1466069220
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 16, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
Lol. What a stupid point to make. -dmt

big·ot·ry n.

intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

You're sounding increasingly intolerant, dmt, as time rolls on.

You don't want people calling you bigot. :(

http://www.google.com/search?q=bigotry&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 16, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
You certainly wasted zero time exploiting a mass murder to promote your ideas... dmt

I exploited it, eh? with a screen of 1's and 0's did I?

just me or the other scores of climbers here too? lol

a "mob" of 1's and 0's. lol

Good to know: in dmt's world, legitimate criticism of iron-age-era Islamic doctrine (death for apostasy, eg; also death for blasphemy, death for adultery, death for homosexuality) amounts to...

"exploiting a mass murder to promote.. ideas" -dmt

Yeah. Talk about stupid... talk about intolerant.

bigot milktoast, lol

(did you read the above definition? that was similar to the one you posted a few weeks back right? what, don't like the context when it applies to you?)

Get a life. You're a sore loser.
Truth is, you can't take criticism any better than Trump.
WBraun

climber
Jun 18, 2016 - 08:24am PT
Science is good.

But when you have fruitbottom types who are a just like a mix of Donald Trump and Westboro Baptist Church types melded into one it becomes a total mess ....
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 18, 2016 - 08:54am PT
My wife was telling me something that NPR did the other day. They polled people about their belief in evolution.

First question was "Do you understand that humans came from lower animals." The majority agreed. They understand it.

Queston 2 was do you believe it. Less than half said that they believe it.

The gap is people who understand evolution, but don't believe it. Here, among scientists, evolution is obviously correct. It requires no belief. The evidence is overwhelming.

As for people who don't belive in it, there are a variety of reasons. First would be religion, because evolution refutes most creation myths. People believe every word in the Bible, the Koran, the Toran, or whatever faith that you have.

Religion is in most cases very old. Thousands of years ago, when they didn't have proof. They only had opinion and belief. So writing Genesis was easy. Too bad that it was so descriptive that we know much of it is wrong.

Throughout religion, they are based on humans. Very few religions also protect and acknowledge other animals (Buddhists and Hindus believe in reincarnation, so animal life is sacred to them.

Still, evolution, despite its overwhelming success as a theory, just can't break through to these people. They already have entrenched beliefs.

It is much the same with climage change. The science is getting obvious, yet many pick it apart and try to refute it, mainly based on the beliefs espoused by each party. The Republicans believe in Adam and Eve, and discount evolution, generally.

They have no problem accepting new technology. It is a huge part of defense spending.

I wish that I could take you all on an 8 hour field trip around the outcrops of south central Oklahoma. Then it would make more sense. fossils nigh carpet the ground in a few areas that I know of.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Jun 18, 2016 - 09:29am PT
I think a large part of the resistance to evolution comes from the arrogant attitudes of some who believe in it and their almost total ignorance or denial of the role of religion. I never had any resistance to teaching evolution after I pointed out that the order of creation in Genesis is pretty much the order of evolution as taught by scientists and the fact that a day has been presumed to be a 24 hour earth revolution just because that's what it is on our planet. When you talk about how big the universe is, it should seem downright blasphemous to a believer to insist that God had to do it in six 24 hour earth revolutions because that's a more convenient concept for our little minds. The scriptures of the world, and particularly the Bible all point out that one of humankind's greatest faults is pride.

It's also pretty clear that although many of the ideas in the Bible about the nature of the world are scientifically inaccurate, the nature of human beings hasn't changed that much in the past few thousand years. Our greatest enemy is not science but our own selfish natures. Religion specializes in how to ameliorate that while science looks elsewhere. Science can give deep meaning to some people's lives but so far hasn't done much to inspire the average person. As I always told my students, when you are on your deathbed, Charles Darwin is not the person who will be on your mind.

With an attitude of humility and just a bit of an open mind on both sides of the issue, there is a place for both science and religion and they need not conflict. The only people who gain when that happens are the lawyers and politicians.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Jun 18, 2016 - 10:01am PT
Good luck, DMT.

Science is HFCS's religion. I tried a while back to get him to see he practices science as a religion - to the detriment of the science - he seems to have a hard time with the point.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Jun 18, 2016 - 10:33am PT
Interesting stuff or is Kaku pronounced COO-COO?


(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at the City College of New York (CUNY) and co-founder of String Field Theory, says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.

After analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, Kaku concluded that the universe is a “Matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.

“I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence. Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore,” Kaku said, according to an article published in the Geophilosophical Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies.

“To me it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”

“The final solution resolution could be that God is a mathematician,” Kaku, author of The Future of the Mind: The Scientific Quest to Understand, Enhance, and Empower the Mind, said in a 2013 Big Think video posted on YouTube.

“The mind of God, we believe, is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11-dimensional hyperspace.”
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Jun 18, 2016 - 11:59am PT
Paul, do you then consider yourself a deist? Most of the Founders were of that belief.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 18, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
. . . says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence

If this fellow really said this it may be time for him to retire.



MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jun 18, 2016 - 06:39pm PT
A curious response. Are you saying it would not be possible? Are you saying that as a card-carrying scientist, he could NOT hold such an opinion? Are you saying that anyone who holds such a position must be defective or senile cognitively?
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 18, 2016 - 08:49pm PT
"Theoretical particles" are "physical evidence"?


After analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, Kaku concluded that the universe is a “Matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being

Analyze the behavior of theoretical particles . . . technology created in 2005?

Only Ed can tell us whether this makes sense. I wasn't aware the existence of actual tachyons had been validated. But maybe I'm way behind the times.

"Despite theoretical arguments against the existence of faster-than-light particles, experiments have been conducted to search for them. No compelling evidence for their existence has been found" (Wiki)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 18, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
Michio's been following my tweets

Ha.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 18, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
thought you were leaving Base?


The gap is people who understand evolution, but don't believe it. Here, among scientists, evolution is obviously correct. It requires no belief. The evidence is overwhelming.


again, maybe meta but not micro. Both your's and my beliefs are separated by what gave Life it's start. Your's says earth's urges created life some 2.5 bil yrs ago? Mine says Life was resonated before the big bong.


So writing Genesis was easy. Too bad that it was so descriptive that we know much of it is wrong.

So PLEASE give me the line number that is wrong. Otherwise i'll have to call you the "L" word.


Glad your back tho:)
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 19, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
The final solution resolution could be that God is a mathematician


"Mathematical Universe" - Max Tegmark? Not that an actual God is a mathematician, but that the reality framework for the universe is purely mathematical. Mathematics without symbols?
WBraun

climber
Jun 19, 2016 - 09:24pm PT
That would be impersonalism.

Beyond that is personality.

Just as you say mathematics.

and then you have jgill.

Without jgill, personality there, it would be ultimately useless .....
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jun 21, 2016 - 12:07pm PT
Barbara Hollingsworth wrote that article about tachyons, and she drew some conclusions at the beginning that I am sure Kaku regrets. Obviously he is speculating in a manner supportive of his involvement in String Theory. Ed might provide some clarity on the issue, but string theory has not been shown to be predictive yet, although the math is interesting.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jul 16, 2016 - 07:05am PT
The "hammer of God" is all around you.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jul 16, 2016 - 11:35am PT
DMT: We need to get some fiction in you, before its too late!

I don't quite understand this comment. I'm not even sure what you think I'm lacking. :-D

One of my undergraduate degrees was in English Literature and Criticism (which tends to be a redundant title). I think I have an appreciation of imaginative narratives. Hell, I'm living one, which ends up to be more fascinating than the ones I've read. I used to be a SF junkie, as well.

As for quickly running out and buying the book to read and consume, I don't move that fast anymore. I tend to do what shows up in front of me--what I can't help avoiding. You could also call it possession or compulsion. (I can't quite explain that.) Don't wait around for me. As far as I can report, I'm pedalling about as fast as I can, and appear to be going absolutely nowhere. There appears to be a lot of activity that I'm a part of, yet nothing is really moving.
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