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TripL7
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san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 01:10am PT
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cintune- "PTSD theory, what do you think"
Thirty-one days after the event, I was taken over to the man's house(very unexpectedly). He had been electrocuted at work and after being released from the hospital was recuperating at his mothers. I accompanied my next door neighbor and a car load of kids to town(Norwood/Norwalk, upstate NY). Each kid had to enter the living room through a closed door...alone!
I had absolutely NO FEAR when I entered that room and closed the door behind me. He was sitting on one end of the couch and his mother was on the other. He was wrapped in bandages from head to foot. I stood there staring into his dark eyes for the longest time, thinking "This man is as good as dead, he will never be able to hurt me or anyone else ever again.
His mother let out a sigh, which broke my concentration and I turned and walked out. Rarely thought about the dude again after that. No nightmares, dreams, fear of the dark Nada!
"You shall fear only the Lord your God..." Deuteronomy 6:13. Fear meaning revere, respect, obey out of love.
I have no fear of man or death!
EDIT: For an 8 year old kid to walk into a room with a serial killer, who thirty days before attempted to murder him(me)and have no fear, is by the work and power of God(Holy Spirit).
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 01:34am PT
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jstan- "catholics not christian"
That would have to be entirely on an individual basis. As a kid I considered myself a Catholic. They said they believed in Jesus, that He was God. Who was I to say otherwise. But at 8 yrs old, I knew that God had entered into my life. That was the crucial point in my belief. His presence filled my life.
I realised at that time that Jesus was God, and a relationship began at that moment. I knew of no other religion that proclaimed Him as God. It took another ten years. I had big doubts about many of the Catholic Church's teachings starting around 13 years old.
Jesus said "Even the demons believe that Jesus is God..." it takes more than believing He is God. He is asking you to commit your whole life to Him. A personal relationship. It is a life long commitment. The Catholic teaches none of that. Pathetic.
My father, sister mother,brother and niece and nephew, all practicing and believing Catholics(believing in the Catholic Church). For instance, everyone went through baptism and confirmation etc. But each one of them will tell you that they did not know Christ and they were not going to Heaven until they personally asked Christ into their heart, many years after a life as a Catholic.
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MH2
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Jan 24, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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Jan:
We have all been male and female, single and married, of one race and another, so no need to take pride or be attached to any physical appearance.
This is a good way to look at things, whether true or not. John Rawls A Theory of Justice asks what rules society should live by. Once again, the base is some form of the Golden Rule. But he starts by supposing that no one knows ahead of time at what place or in what role they will find themselves. If you don't know ahead of time what your lot will be, your best bet is to make the rules as equitable as possible.
It might work if we could shuffle the deck a little more often than every 70 years or so. And accepted that we were coming back.
Or as a Jack Paar skit put it: Sure, we were all created equal, but when a man comes into money...
I like this:
"You never know what is around the next corner - a team of street acrobats, a group of beggers, an elephant decked out in make up and jewelry, a group of orange robed holy men, giggling school girls in British uniforms, a couple of computer programmers, a troop of langur monkeys pursued by irate people who have just been robbed of their bags and sun glasses, cows fornicating away and causing a traffic jam, street vendors cooking spicy snacks, and always and everywhere super friendly people dressed in clothes of bright and cheerful colors."
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 02:03am PT
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Wanda/roadman/Ricky et al!
You have sunk to a new low...how low can you get?
I think we should just ignore your existence, your such a waste of time.
FWIW Some people harden their heart to such a point that God/Holy Spirit no longer convicts them of sin(speaks to their hearts).
But then that is for God to decide, although He did caution us not to cast pearls before swine...you three qualify under that category!
Do you realy consider someone who is/was(corrected with hearing aid) hearing impaired to be retarded?? How about someone who is seeing impaired?
I believe you owe Werner an apology.
WB is one of the most incredible, caring, sharing, loving and intelligent individuals I have ever known. He would give YOU the shirt off his back. Talking about the dude that will walk the extra mile without any shoes for YOU, or for anyone who asks!
You guys are simply PATHETIC! Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask "Where did I go wrong?" Then get down on your knees and pray for mercy.
None the less, the God that created you, still loves you...take advantage of it.
EDIT: Werner shows class...you guys lack any semblance of class!
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Jan 24, 2010 - 02:12am PT
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The devil made me do it.
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kingpin
climber
methdeathsto ca
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Jan 24, 2010 - 02:22am PT
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I am an anarchist
And I am an ANTICHRIST!!........
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 03:20am PT
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cintune- "PTSD"
"Perfect love casts out fear"
You should check Him out!
"Fear not for I am with you alway's sayith the Lord"
I have no fear of death cintune, I havent since I was 8 yrs old. And I certainly don't fear any mere man. How about you cintune/Wanda/Ricky et al?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2010 - 05:45am PT
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This thread is fine when people are exchanging ideas. The problem starts when one side or the other starts dishing out personal insults. So far I must say, it's a certain contingent of atheists who have been most active in that regard.
However, I think the rest of us are smart enough not to generalize from their small mindedness and bad manners to the rest of the caring and compassionate atheists on this thread.
There are atheists and there are atheists, just as their are religious people and then there are religious people.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jan 24, 2010 - 10:54am PT
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Not quite getting how "classy" it is to call people who disagree with you "stupid idiot retards" in the first place, and then dismissing their questions and thoughts as "bullsh#t."
But then again maybe that's a compliment, coming from a sacred cow.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 24, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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777:
I think we are coming to our very first agreement.
I said what you wrote implied you think catholics are not christians.
You seemed to confirm that.
Now you also say that is a personal decision.
Which is exactly what I said. That you had personally decided in your own mind that catholics were not christian.
From your history I can certainly understand why you have great misgivings about that sect. Several people even on ST have discussed similar experiences.
Now I am going to make an inferential leap. It requires your attention.
If everyone gets to decide for themselves who is christian and who is not, what does the word really mean? Anything?
More importantly what keeps us from seeing two people, both of whom shout christ's glory, as they do their best to murder each other, each claiming to be a "real" christian.
And can you see how odious are the both of them as neither has any appreciation for what christ was actually saying?
I will here assume the two of us are yet "on the same page."
In light of this very deep problem
if one would want other people simply to treat each other better, as christ suggested was needed, are we not advised NEVER even to use the word "christian."
Doing so only makes very simple teachings-------open to doubt.
You should merely go out and do your very best to treat others as you wish yourself to be treated.
The golden rule.
You are living the teachings as christ lived them.
You don't need to be called by any word other than
FRIEND.
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777:
You invoke all of that prior history because you believe it aids what you are trying to do.
Think for a moment.
Would you be getting a better hearing here on ST if you did not invoke and accept the crippling amount of baggage you get with your approach?
You wish to persuade us. But you do not listen to us when we tell you where you are going wrong.
Anyone who wishes to persuade without being willing to be persuaded
is soon unmasked.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 24, 2010 - 03:13pm PT
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So Jan, are you positing that reincarnation is now a legitimate part of christian theology for anyone but jesus or god?
...and not forget that it is only a stage, and not the whole show
I would claim this belief is a principal one behind the environmental degradation of the planet - do as you will, god put it all here for you to use and it's all of temporary consequence anyway.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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jstan!
Friend yes!
But when you have a friend like Jesus, it would be selfish not to tell others about Him. What He has done for you. And He requests that you tell others about Him.
Like I said it is a relationship, not a religion that you join and follow blindly. He speaks to your heart. He gave us the four gospels, His love letter to the world. He finishes with "Go yea into the world..." That is being accomplished literally now through the Internet and satellite television(some remote areas where missionaries are not allowed). And also through missionaries, as in the past. And of course just simple sharing with "whoever has ears to here."
Jesus was about changing hearts, you don't do that with the sword.
Certainly He didn't aspire to take over a country, or rule the world. Satan offered Him the world, showed Him the adulation of the masses. And Satan could have gave it to Him...He didn't deny that. But first of all He would have had to bow down to Satan, something He would never do. And secondly, it would have come by force and manipulation, deceit etc.(sound familiar?)kind of like politics, religion etc.
Plus, He came to give all who desire it eternal life, and He was willing to pay the price.
He desires to be just that John, your friend. He has been knocking on your door...only you can let Him in.
EDIT: Of course He will rule the world some day as prophesied, but according to God's plan.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 05:01pm PT
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Ricky- "If god is omnipresent and everywhere he would be in my a*#."
I got news for ya, God is everywhere. The darkest recesses of this planet, even in such perverted dark pathetic places as your mind! Doesn't get any more smelly than that. Only He would be willing to go there and fix it, no one else could.
BTW, should your colonoscopy ever come back positive, and you run out of hope, just remember... He is capable of fixing that too.
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MH2
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Jan 24, 2010 - 05:23pm PT
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If Jesus himself would knock on my door...
But as Karl keeps saying, that is being too literal.
Religious folk should let others make their own way. You seem to be carrying a modern version of the White Man's Burden to the heathens. The whole planet has cell phone coverage, now. We can find our way to the nearest church if we feel the need to. By pushing a particular religion you run the risk of getting other religions pushing back. We've seen enough of that.
On sensing earthquakes
No matter how well coupled your head is to a concrete slab, the semicircular canals would probably play only a minor role in p- and s-wave detection. The canals are specialized for angular accelerations. It is the utriculus and sacculus that tell us about linear accelerations.
The hair cells of the otoliths, like all hair cells, have an axis of maximum sensitivity. A push along that axis in one direction maximally excites, a push in the opposite direction maximally inhibits, and with all other directions you do a calculation with the hair cell polarization vector and the vector of the force.
The vestibular hair cells virtually all have a high resting (when force is absent or orthogonal to the polarization vector) discharge rate. This allows roughly symmetrical responses to excitatory and inhibitory stimuli. It also means there is no significant threshold to how weak an acceleration the system can detect. It comes down to how many individual hair cell responses are averaged.
Goldberg and Fernández
http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/93/6/3032
inter-aural time differences
http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/96/3/969
Hudspeth hair cell
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC383283/pdf/pnas00003-0504.pdf
HHMI hair cell article
http://www.hhmi.org/senses/c110.html
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 06:20pm PT
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Rokjox!
I was talking about Jesus knocking on the door to you heart! Which He does do to every living soul!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 24, 2010 - 06:34pm PT
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Verses used by Phil Johnson in today's sermon, filling in for John MacArthur still off after back surgery...
Example of Hagar and Sarah
Galatians 4:21-31, Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Matthew 3:9, And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
Galatians 3:11, Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Galatians 3:29, 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Romans 2:29, But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Genesis 21:12, But God said to Abraham, “Be not displeased because of the boy and because of your slave woman. Whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your offspring be named.
Romans 4:16-25, That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. 18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19 He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah's womb. 20 No distrust made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. 22 That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” 23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, 24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
Genesis 12:1-3, Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Hebrews 11:10-12, For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. 11 By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.
Leviticus 18:5, You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord.
Ezekiel 18:4, Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
Matthew 3:15, But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented.
Hebrews 7:26, For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Romans 10:3-4, For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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Proverbs 25:11-14, A word fitly spoken
is like apples of gold in a setting of silver.
12 Like a gold ring or an ornament of gold
is a wise reprover to a listening ear.
13 Like the cold of snow in the time of harvest
is a faithful messenger to those who send him;
he refreshes the soul of his masters.
14 Like clouds and wind without rain
is a man who boasts of a gift he does not give.
Teach Me Your Paths
Of David.
Psalm 25, To you, O Lord, I lift up my soul.
2 O my God, in you I trust;
let me not be put to shame;
let not my enemies exult over me.
3 Indeed, none who wait for you shall be put to shame;
they shall be ashamed who are wantonly treacherous.
4 Make me to know your ways, O Lord;
teach me your paths.
5 Lead me in your truth and teach me,
for you are the God of my salvation;
for you I wait all the day long.
6 Remember your mercy, O Lord, and your steadfast love,
for they have been from of old.
7 Remember not the sins of my youth or my transgressions;
according to your steadfast love remember me,
for the sake of your goodness, O Lord!
8 Good and upright is the Lord;
therefore he instructs sinners in the way.
9 He leads the humble in what is right,
and teaches the humble his way.
10 All the paths of the Lord are steadfast love and faithfulness,
for those who keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For your name's sake, O Lord,
pardon my guilt, for it is great.
12 Who is the man who fears the Lord?
Him will he instruct in the way that he should choose.
13 His soul shall abide in well-being,
and his offspring shall inherit the land.
14 The friendship of the Lord is for those who fear him,
and he makes known to them his covenant.
15 My eyes are ever toward the Lord,
for he will pluck my feet out of the net.
16 Turn to me and be gracious to me,
for I am lonely and afflicted.
17 The troubles of my heart are enlarged;
bring me out of my distresses.
18 Consider my affliction and my trouble,
and forgive all my sins.
19 Consider how many are my foes,
and with what violent hatred they hate me.
20 Oh, guard my soul, and deliver me!
Let me not be put to shame, for I take refuge in you.
21 May integrity and uprightness preserve me,
for I wait for you.
22 Redeem Israel, O God,
out of all his troubles.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 07:12pm PT
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MH2- "Pushing..."
I am not pushing anything. I came on this forum when a specific question was asked, and I answered it. I have since then continued to answer questions and correct fallacy's, misquotes etc. And have offered what seems to be lacking here at times...wisdom and eternal life. Everyone else has their say, I am simply stating what Jesus declared.
America has been blessed with the abundant access of knowledge in regards to JC. "To whom much is given, much will be expected." No one brought up in America will have any excuse come Judgement Day. "For it is for man to live once, then the Judgement." I am doing all I can to warn the lost. No one will discourage me from sharing this.
Forty plus years ago there were few churches in America, then the Jesus Movement hit the streets @1968 and today everyone has heard the Word. There has been an explosion of knowledge. ALL kinds of knowledge, not just spiritual(just as Jesus Christ prophesied).
Funny how the name Jesus Christ brings out such bitterness...but then Jesus forewarned us "They will hate you because of My name."
"This is the judgement, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather then the Light, for their deeds were evil." John 3:19.(Jesus speaking).
And here we are at a thread titled Creationist......run to dugout" And you expect me to be some bleeding lukewarm Christian that Jesus threatens to spit out of His mouth, and not say anything that might offend??
I rarely speak about Jesus, I don't go around knocking on doors or tapping peoples shoulder...generally go months without sharing Christ. But I do pray for the opportunity.
I can understand how a few so called Christian hypocrites can tarnish someones name, read the first three-five pages of Revelation. But all that is being done in the name of Christ is being totally ignored by the media(digging wells, surgery;s, feeding the poor, prison ministry's etc. etc).
But it is Jesus Christ who we please, not the world!
But it is the H word that realy ruffles the feathers, nothing new. See # edit.
I have been a disciple of Christ for fifty years now. I have forty-four magnums stuck in my face and told to get lost, Hollywood Blvd. 13th St. gangster selling crack. I was foolish and just laughed it off and continued to minister to the youth who congregated in that hell-hole. Fortunately the dude just picked up and left. Dude you wouldn't have a clue. But you are spiritually dead(according to Jesus Christ), so I do understand.
EDIT: # Today's pastors are afraid to mention Hell, they'll loose parishioners, sound negative, don't want to offend(lose tithe money). Even the majority of Christians I know prefer not to discuss it, even though they know it is true. Go figure. Jesus warned everyone as did His forerunner John the Baptist and Elijah the Prophet. I have no fear of being an outcast...I am in good company!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 24, 2010 - 07:32pm PT
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777 wrote
My father, sister mother,brother and niece and nephew, all practicing and believing Catholics(believing in the Catholic Church). For instance, everyone went through baptism and confirmation etc. But each one of them will tell you that they did not know Christ and they were not going to Heaven until they personally asked Christ into their heart, many years after a life as a Catholic.
The same could be said for anyone who was blindly raised in the the tradition of their parents or of coincidence. There is a difference between accepting your culture and having a spiritual inspiration. Plenty of Protestants are just as empty until they make the inner connection.
Open up. If there was one true faith, within the one true faith, then they would be clearly and manifestly more full of Love and happiness than all others. Jesus said the tree is known by it's fruits and there are sour fruits and sweet fruits on all the organized trees now. Such is not the case. The path is narrow and people have to find it within themselves according to their personal dance with life and the Divine
PEace
Karl
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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jstan- "When we tell you where you are going wrong."
Where?? Tell me!
I am sharing with you what Jesus preached.
Are you saying that Jesus went wrong?
Then let me be also according to your judgement.
Think about it, all the Apostles except John were Martyred for their belief in Jesus Christ.
Things haven't changed much have they.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 24, 2010 - 07:59pm PT
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Weschrist!
I made a mistake it was the Apostle John who wasn't martyred.
I looked at the King James Bible from the 1600's and it was identical to the current version.
There are many people/scholars who speak and write Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and English(as Jan mentioned, people from Europe/Asia are remarkably bi-lingual)and have translated such script as the Dead Sea Scrolls and other early manuscripts and have found little change if any in regards to the New and Old Testaments. You are spouting fallacies that have been circulating for centuries that are not true.
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