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TREED
Trad climber
Gunks
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Pretty simple.
No more clip rifles.
Of course it will never happen.
Ron, your rationale makes me want to puke.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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@TradEddie...
From PBS.org:
Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars...
Frontline
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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sh*thead criminals not knowing who's packing is the best hope for society.
that assumes a minimal amount of brain cells working to make rational judgements on the bad guys part.
for the millions wacked out on illegal drugs and those taking daily doses of doctor prescribed selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors
(SSRI anti-depression pills) rational thinking aint an option.
some newspaper should publish a google map of all those legally drugged people
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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What're you on about?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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You'll never see a single article like that in MSM... follow the money. Firearms money is nothing compared to the cash pharma-poison producers take home.
But this thread is about recent gun sales... you don't suppose it'll drift do you?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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In a mass shooting situation in a public place the shooter has the initiative and a huge advantage. The initial first victims are likely toast no matter how well trained or prepared they are. Few folks consider firefight threats, escape, cover and position every moment of every day in civilian life.
Those not initially shot will take a few second generally to recognize the emergency, The shock and unfamiliarity with this type of situation takes even trained people a little time to react to in unexpected situations. During this time a competent shooter can eliminate nearby threats pretty quickly.
After the first few seconds escape and cover will be the best reaction if possible.
Only if escape is not possible will having a firearm help the bystander. The odds of being in a perfect spot to take out the shooter with high confidence in your own safety are not good.
Even then if you are not an enthusiast who has become fairly good with a pistol you will not have a GOOD chance at eliminating the attacker under such a stressful environment.
Very few of the general public are good with a pistol. In the same way that very few of the general public can lead 5.9
Those who are not good will be more of a hazard in this situation than an unarmed person.
There are many instances of even trained and supposedly proficient folks shooting innocent bystanders when trying to take out an attacker.
Most folks buying guns are fooling themselves thinking they are making themselves safer when in reality they have just made themselves MUCH more likely to be harmed.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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first time gun owners are probably the most dangerous. . . . . .to themselves, and their family members.
gun safes have been selling also. what good are gun safes?
I mean I understand they are to prevent kids from getting them, but what good are safes when the thief is knocking at the door?
is the homeowner going to ask the thief to wait while he/she unlocks the safe, and loads the gun?
furthermore, the bad guys don't have as much to lose. they are more willing to take the chance.
are most soccer moms/dads willing to do that?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I think they need to find another bank asap.
I know some could read government/conspiracy into that but I doubt it. The sudden massive increase in deposits just triggered some automated alert. Some low-level manager needed an excuse to freeze the funds so they did.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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news of increased gun sales probably have a depressing effect on armed criminals who are burdened with finding some place to rob where people are unarmed
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Guns are one of the most valuable items that thieves target. They can sell them easily and get a lot of money compared to almost anything else to be found in most homes. Having guns makes you a good target for home theft.
These guys do things the easy way. They wait till you are not home. lol
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
SLO, Ca
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I've always been highly ambivalent about guns. However, the moronic logic on the dozens of recent gun threads has convinced me that significant restrictions must be imposed- maybe even a repeal of the 2nd amendment.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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gotta ask are you on drugs?
fists, hammers, knives, and automobiles rank so much higher on the carnage scale than guns that talk about banning them is a sign of irrationality
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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for the millions wacked out on illegal drugs and those taking daily doses of doctor prescribed selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors
(SSRI anti-depression pills) rational thinking aint an option.
I cannot disagree with your comment about SSRI's strongly enough. Seven years ago I was diagnosed with an endogenous depression. At the time I was completely incapacitated. A prescription for Effexor restored my life. I cannot overstate the need for those suffering from depression to seek medical attention particularly if, like me, there was no apparent external cause.
While I seriously doubt that medication is a good solution for short-term exogenous depressive episodes, some of us really did have our brain chemistry seriously out-of-whack. While I know Effexor does not work for everyone, it has done wonders for me.
Blaming Big Pharma for horrendous crimes perpetrated by unbalanced individuals strikes me as grossly unfair, but implying that SSRI's enhance mental instability is flat-out wrong, at least if the patient has a good neurologist, or other qualified physician, overseeing the regimen, and other necessary professional assistance (e.g. a therapist) in the loop as well.
While I doubt anything short of better firearms security would have stopped the Sandy Hook tragedy, I'm concerned that those who want to pin the blame on pharmaceutical manufacturers will deter people who would greatly benefit from treatment from seeking competent professional help.
John
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Arapaio's efforts would bother me a great deal if I had a child in one of those schools. Posse? what is their training, what is their legal authority? Seems Joe is almost creating a secret police with little oversight and way too open for abuse or tragedy.
The LA effort just makes good common sense.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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That Sheriff has a lot of really good ideas. F*ck the system, putting people in n out of billion dollar prisons. He's putting them outside in military surplus tents surrounded by barbed wire fences and armed guards. Cheaper. Shittier.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Let me put it this way. Cops scare me more than Criminals on a day to day basis. Personal experience suggests police are a greater threat to me than criminals. Both of course are real threats.
I do my best to avoid both types.
But a posse of questionably trained and supervised individuals really bothers me.
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