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east side underground
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 28, 2008 - 01:34pm PT
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How is a person a valley local? Live in the ditch year around?, Many seasons (spring, summer, fall)climbing, number of FA's ???
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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Local = Live Locally?
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
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Hey BARNEY, I didn't say I was a valley local, proud NOT to be one , but there seem to be a lot on super taco
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 01:42pm PT
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Yeah, people who live near the valley suck. I hate them all. Whatever. I call it "jealousy".
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 01:44pm PT
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So, if you live in Washington, climb every winter in JT and have done 1000 routes there, you are local? Come on climbers, try to help out our reputation as intelligent users of words! Anniversary = 24-25 issues? Local equals someone who visits often? Dumb.
I climbed at Smith every weekend during the appropriate season for years, have done thousands of routes there during that time, was never "local". Unless you call a 6 hour drive each way local.
DUMB. There is no such arbitrary definition for a Valley local. Like climbing has a bylaw book or something. Wait, let me check my SEC regulation book, maybe it will have a definition of number of routes required for the registrant to state to the SEC that they are local!
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Flashlight
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Aug 28, 2008 - 01:48pm PT
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Nothing more irritating than someone who struts around as if they are better than anybody else because they consider themselves a "local" and look at you as if you are trespassing. I don't mean the Ditch specifically. Usually, "localism" is at its worst in ski towns.
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 01:49pm PT
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That's pretty interesting/funny! This stat keeping seems very serious. In the Valley you get mocked for tracking your number of routes. Different scene I guess. Wonder if the people with tons of routes in JT mock those who track their El Cap routes? Wonder how many people have done more than 1000 routes and refuse to report them? Maybe I will have to go live with Kate this winter and see if I can set a record for becoming a JT local in the shortest time possible. Is there a stat for fastest accomplishment of the official title "local"? What is the minimum grade? Can you TR to be a local? After all, there is someone on the El Cap list that counts all jugging ascents as a climb of El Cap, and therefore is high in a category that they would not otherwise be near or at the top of! (ok so I am joking here on these questions).
It is interesting though that this "badge of honor" has a criteria and tracking, etc, which is something that many climbing communities shun and you are "spraying" if you keep track and/or report and you are considered kind of a cool cat if you keep mum about your sends.
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 01:55pm PT
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Hey hollyclimber, I know many valley ledgends who live here on the eastside, you hate them all?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:01pm PT
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I've lived in Santa Cruz for over 30 years. That's more than half my life.
I still don't consider myself a local.
Saying that you have to do so many climbs in order to be considered a local is cute, but I think it misses the point.
I don't know how many routes Chicken Skinner has done, but I surely consider him a local, even if he's done less than 1/4 or the routes in Yosemite. Just look at what he has done for the area. How about David Brower? (How's that CS, you and David mentioned in the same Para!)
Being "local" is about being active in the community. Period.
Take two people, one who lives in an area, holed up in their home, or someone who does not live in the same area, but partakes in community activities that enhance the local.
Who is the local??
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scuffy b
climber
Elmertown
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:02pm PT
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I'm impressed that Mari Gingery, Mike Lechlinski and Woody Stark don't make the cut as Joshua Tree locals.
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:03pm PT
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Its called sarcasm. I live in Yosemite. You post implies that its so horrible to be a Valley local. I was agreeing with you, and adding hate. In fact, I don't hate myself or any other Valley locals! Well, maybe one person.
Since Yosemite doesn't have the cute tracking for badge of honor status, I think we won't set up a definition now...not gonna stick. Unless Bridwell sets it up. Then, I will go along.
But, being the accountant "numbers chasing climber" that I have been accused to be, I am very much looking forward to becoming a JT local this winter!! Finally, a place that will accept my route counting tendancies and the desire to reach a certain number. Now, if only I can figure out what to do with my dog. :)
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 02:08pm PT
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localism in ski towns, Ha Ha Ha, you've got to be kidding, ever been to the islands HOALE
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:12pm PT
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If you keep mum about your ascents, you probably don't care if you're considered a 'local' or not.
Joshua tree and the valley are 180 degrees in terms of attitudes. Of the locals listed, all the ones I've met or talked to are super cool, unassuming, mortal climbers who enjoy a good lifestyle of fun in the sun (as it were). The valley 'locals' I could tell right off because of the arrogance, spray, and machismo that normally can only be found in Bollywood films. I usually leave conversations with these locals with a vomity taste in my mouth.
From what I hear from those 'in the know,' to be a 'valley local' you have to:
Have some kind of blue collar DNC job like scrubbing dishes or repairing phone line
Solo the Steck Salathe twice a week, and tell at least 5 people daily of said feat
Hate Camp4, all visiting climbers (on par with tourists in your pure eyes), anyone climbing big walls (and el cap in general) and ACTUALLY climbing.
I think the JT list is a lot cooler. Sure, you could come by and blitz 1000 routes in a few years if you were really hell bent to getting that badge, but no one cares enough to actually do it. Maybe 2 people on that list never actually lived there at one time or another.
As far as calling a 25th issue an anniversary issue, well, there are worse things in life :O
I'm a San Diego Local. What does this entail? Paying your dues searching chaparral-covered foothills for measly piles of dirt red DG in search of new potential, including several instances of gun toting ranchers being involved and the odd pitbull attack. Also required is time spent at the school of hard knocks, i.e. the slimey caveat of Mission Gorge. An annual trip to bishop in the winter and New Jack in the spring are also ideal, but not required, to be a San Diego XtReMe Climber.
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 02:17pm PT
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hey, I'm just having fun with ya'll, stuck at home with a vasectomy gone bad, it makes you very CROTCHTEY!!!
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:18pm PT
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I thought all you had to do was camp in Camp 4, eat at the cafeteria, and complain about rangers?!?!?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:22pm PT
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i think being a local is simply a state of mind that one develops after days, weeks, months, years, and decades spent in a given area. for example, although i no longer live in socal, i consider myself a local given my 35 years of on-an-off residency, thousands upon thousands of climbing days spent there, and regular climbing trips spent there.
if you have to ask yourself if you're a local, you probably aren't. if you are a local, it would never occur to you to ask.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:27pm PT
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Since I hang with a lotta Yosemite folks here on the Taco, does that make me a Valley Local™?
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
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I think the cool thing about climbing is that there is no real localism, people are generally very friendly,share info, and are pretty courteous, it's not that way in other sports
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Flashlight
climber
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:39pm PT
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You are generally correct...notice my reference to skiing.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:54pm PT
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This is very important. This is not important.
It's all a game right?
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 02:57pm PT
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mungeclimber, you are right its Not important, something to do when you can't do anything
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 02:57pm PT
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locker,
Check your list:
> Sheryl Haber - 3300
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> Sheryl Haber - 2000
"She's once, twice, three times a local..."?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 28, 2008 - 03:05pm PT
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Why guys like Dingus and Nefarious who live in the Valley, (central), who suffer extreme heat in the summer and cold fog in the winter are the real "Valley Locals" who climb outragious stuff we never see.
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 03:16pm PT
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WBRAUN = VALLEY LOCAL
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, Ca
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Aug 28, 2008 - 03:19pm PT
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My problem is that I don't like to do crummy routes. Therefore, even though I have climbed there every winter season since 1981, I will never actually be a Josh Local. To rack up several thousand routes in that place you have to climb a lot of choss. Heck, even RV only has 1500.
I would be surprised if I have done over 500 different climbs in Josh. Of course some I have done a stack of times, and others took a long time to do...
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Nutsonthechin, Wisconsin
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Aug 28, 2008 - 03:19pm PT
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You need to have been in a bivy sack with Curry employee that was over 250lbs and have punched, or have been punched, by someone in the Camp 4 parking lot over bolting. Oh, and eaten Basmati rice with Werner.
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 03:26pm PT
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How about drinking to much old english at the deli, a very important requirement?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 03:27pm PT
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You up for some basmati rice this weekend, Werner?
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 03:47pm PT
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Local Schmokle.
All I know is that if there was a well kept Valley Local List akin to what Gordo has
been maintaining it would be a lot easier to know which ropes to crap upon.
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 03:51pm PT
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how about a new thread, ever had your ropes crapped on?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 28, 2008 - 04:09pm PT
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If you're a hillbilly, you're only a local if seven of your eight great-grandparents were born in the place - and they were all cousins.
A famous parody of such parochial attitudes, perhaps apocryphal, is a supposed headline from The Times in the late 19th century: "English Channel covered by dense fog. Continent isolated."
We humans do like to feel possessive about places, but localism and parochialism amongst climbers is usually silly and often counter-productive. Ultimately it would lead to each of his sitting on his or her rock in the forest, claiming superiority, when it's pretty clear that we need to be inclusive. Also, most climbers aren't local to an area in any real sense, having been born and raised elsewhere, and only recently moving there.
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 04:25pm PT
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you are right about humans being possessive about their turf, localism is akin to Nationalism and maybe patriotism? When people are willing to give their all to protect whats theirs, to keep others out of "My country, My rock, My wave," Kind of a F@#ked-up deal. Maybe thats why immigration issues are such a big deal all over the world. Whats the answer?
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Aug 28, 2008 - 05:02pm PT
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I think it funny when people think they have more right to a National Park because they live there or near by. It belongs to all of us.
It's strange that whenever I'm in the valley people are constantly coming up to me asking where such and such is, or what times things close, etc. It doesn't really happen much anywhere else. I usually have the answers, and I guess it's just the way I carry myself, that at least it seems like I know what's going on. I feel more at home in the valley than almost anywhere else, like that is where I'm supposed to be spending my time, maybe that's reflected in my demeanor.
It's weird when "locals" call it 'the ditch' to be cool. LOL. Or complain about the crowds and noise. Why are your there if it's sooo bad. I can easily avoid the crowds and overlook the tourists and see the beauty right behind them.
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Ouch!
climber
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Aug 28, 2008 - 05:21pm PT
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To be a Local, you must have slept with a bear, never washed your hair, and peed in the Merced River.
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 05:41pm PT
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so I'm a HAOLE, whats that make you? BARNEY?
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 28, 2008 - 05:57pm PT
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Stupid so-called dinosaur....he needs teeth....& claws!
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 06:08pm PT
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I would NEVER use that BARNEY'S name in vain ( I have a young child!!) I was refering to BARNEY FIFE of Mayberry fame. Maybe you are not old enough to remember.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 28, 2008 - 06:11pm PT
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I prefer Barney Fife....
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 06:18pm PT
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locker you look pretty good for a young guy!
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 28, 2008 - 06:39pm PT
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Ummm... you guys are on the wrong forum for that kinda thing.
You may want to check here to find the right place for you...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2008 - 06:44pm PT
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If there were a caring God there would be free frequent airline miles for anyone with 1000 or more routes at JT, or at least a visa so that they could get out of California.
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Jefe'
Boulder climber
Bishop
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Aug 28, 2008 - 06:50pm PT
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I lived in a cave one winter in the valley, does that count?
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 06:52pm PT
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Hey everyone, I just want to thank everyone for playing today. I had a good time wasting time with you. I don't usally have the time to sit on my ass and f@#k around on the computer. But alas it time for me to in"LOCAL" speak to GO HOME!!!! P.S. sorry locker you do look good, but I don't think you are my type.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 28, 2008 - 08:15pm PT
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If there were a caring God, none of us would be in this thread.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Aug 28, 2008 - 08:37pm PT
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If there was a caring God, Jessica Biel would knock on my...
Wait
one sec
Someone's at the door.
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Dang. UPS guy.
Well, you do what you can with the tools you got. I wonder if he looks good in my sailor outfit?
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 28, 2008 - 09:21pm PT
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Woohoo!
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Jeremy Handren
climber
NV
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Aug 28, 2008 - 10:03pm PT
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A serious alcohol problem would seem to be a good start.
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east side underground
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
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warbler nice answers you are or deserve to be a VALLEY LOCAL
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Aug 29, 2008 - 02:24am PT
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JT local status is a game, ....a silly game.......get over your selves, and quit your whining;.....The list is old and needs to be updated too;...Dave and Cherly Haber are both close to 5000 different routes presently, ....so is Tucker and Bartlett....and I'm sure there are a few missing who should be on the list;....all I can say is sorry, email me, and within a year or three, I might up-date the list.....(probably not though....) Also, Dr. Tom Michael, who lives in Washington, who has done one thousand plus routes, not only climbed his ass off at Joshua Tree,..he also bought a house on 5 acres here years ago.......and if you think it's easy to do 1000 choss piles here;.....go for it;...it takes forever......maybe the 1000 route game will get you off your asses and climb something besides more laps on Big Moe, or another trip to the Mel Cracks......if that be the case;........the whole silly game is actually of some value. Donini hit the nail on the head.......anyone who has done over 1000 routes at JT probably needs to go somewhere else to climb.....(I do......).......and while doing 1000 choss piles at Joshua Tree, I bet those knuckleheads on that list saw some really cool sunsets, some awesome desert creatures, drank a sh#t-load of beer, froze their asses off, and baked in the hot sun, got the crap scared out of themselves on grainy run-out dummy-dome slabs, probably got laid a few times (hopefully....) out in the Mojave desert, met some wacky-ass cool people ( even met some Canadians.....God forbid....), and I bet out of those 1000 climbs,.....I bet 30 to 40 of them were almost half good.........Valley standards for locals is different;...I think it's just drink, stink, and steal....that pretty much covers it........
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Flashlight
climber
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Aug 29, 2008 - 02:56am PT
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Warbler, how DO you fish Yosemite Creek?
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 29, 2008 - 03:01am PT
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Todd, You certainly hit the nail on the head.
Curt
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Aug 29, 2008 - 03:34am PT
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Yep, great post Todd!
(Also Warbler - and don't give up the beta!! It has to be learned).
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:05am PT
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FYI;....Mike Lechlinski and Mari Gingery are Riverside QUARRY locals;...and they are probably almost there for Joshua Tree local status....;.....(They can do it, but they will have to quit the repeats and the bouldering, or the playing around in their garden..........) Woody Stark is a gym rat;.....just because he's been climbing for 70 years, doesn't make him a local. And the person who has done the most Valley climbs ?.....Tucker Tech at over 1000, and yeah, he does keep track of his climbs, and you can mock him all you want about it;.....he'll just have another beer.....or maybe 10 more beers.....I count up my climbs;...you can tease me all you wish too......I'll just send a loaded diaper your way if you get too annoying.....Climbing is a game;...it aint' the Olympics....have fun with it. As we get older, the most important part about climbing is just getting out to climb;.....and drink beer too.
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east side underground
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crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2008 - 11:16am PT
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Climbing for 70yrs! thats coool! I hope I can still walk after 60!
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wildone
climber
Where you want to be
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:41am PT
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BVB said it best :"If you have to ask yourself if you're a local, you probably aren't. if you are a local, it would never occur to you to ask."
I didn't know I was supposed to be counting my routes. I wish someone would have told me! Dammit! Now I'll never be a local!
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Flashlight
climber
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Aug 30, 2008 - 12:14pm PT
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Okay Clint, if you HAVE to be stubborn about it.
Does the method involve dynamite?
By the way, why would anybody want to be considered a Valley local?
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 30, 2008 - 12:23pm PT
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or, why would anyone want to be considered. period.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 30, 2008 - 02:02pm PT
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Holly's not only a local now, but an accountant - she can't help it. Engineers are just as bad.
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Aug 30, 2008 - 02:40pm PT
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I always thought that being a "climber" was like being a member of Narcotics Anonymous- you are a member when you say you are. Seems like being local is a simillarly self reflective identity.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Aug 30, 2008 - 04:20pm PT
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Don't cry;.....before you become a local, you have the status as a " local hopeful.".....which is a term that was coined in an old (I believe) Mountain magazine. There was a picture of Dale Bard on some climb in Yosemite, and Dale was described as a " local hopeful."........does that help? As far as keeping track of your climbs;.....as you get older, the mind fades,.....so in order to remember just WHAT climbs you have done, and when and with whom....it's best to keep notes and records....lest you return to the crag wishing/wanting new experiences, yet hop on a "repeat"....just because you forgot you already did the climb with Matt Cox back in the 70's........it's an old guys thing. This does not apply to the gym climbers, who climb mostly on plastic, and can remember the dozen or so real climbs they have done outdoors.........no need to keep records then.....
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Aug 30, 2008 - 04:44pm PT
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in my home area most people think they are local because they have a "keep Tahoe Blue" sticker on their car.
we are all locals of planet earth. If mankind could just think like this we would be alot better off. Just imagine a world without religion and turf wars.
In my experiences the worst display of "localism" is in the surf culture. Skiers are not much better.
take care
dave
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 04:54pm PT
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"met some wacky-ass cool people ( even met some Canadians.....God forbid....),"
Now THAT's an odd juxtaposition!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 31, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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Almost an oxymoron.
I think I might be an Itinerant Local. Although I am friendly and helpful for the most part, and don't drink enough, so that may compromise my standing.
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dolomite_said
Gym climber
) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) . . . Buffering
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Aug 31, 2008 - 03:11pm PT
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The distiction "local" should be a strict physical residence , but the author sounds kinda needy and deperate to identify with the valley sceane , VALLEYdate his own expirience or be recognized somehow .
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JAK
climber
The Souf
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:07pm PT
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You gotta get in with the clique.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:35pm PT
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Ya gotta have balance too. Thanks Walleye for scanning this slide for me.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:43pm PT
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The Morals & Ethics Committee recently decided that ALL Valley Locals, without exception, will now be required to help at least two days with the Yosemite FaceLift.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:53pm PT
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Blah blah McCain, blah blah Obama....Blah blah.
ooops, wrong thread. sorry.
Hey, Super pic, Werner......
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east side underground
Trad climber
crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2008 - 10:38am PT
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Dolomite- Started my "career" in 1980, climbed regulary in the valley since. worked building houses in Yos. West for a few years. Still have a few friends around. I'm not tring to validate anything,just fun and games, as I said before I don't consider myself a valley local,I do my routes and leave. I'm happy being a EASTSIDE LOCAl 28yrs worth. I didn't think it would be such a touchy subject.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Classic photo of Werner and Merry.
I think we are all forgetting one of the finer points of being a local- hanging out at the deli all day talking about sport climbers can't climb cracks, meanwhile those dang outsider sport climbers are up on El Cap freeing routes.
Despite the fact that very few were born there, and fewer still will be buried there, you have to call everyone you don't know a "touron."
Boy, wrong side of the bed this morning. It's howling wind out there on my day off.
Tom
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east side underground
Trad climber
crowley ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2008 - 11:12am PT
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Serious wind event, check the windspeed graph from mammoth mountain ski patrol website- hurricane force wind?
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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I went up to dale's camp to boulder, not a breath of wind. Things in Bishop have calmed down.
Tom
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 24, 2009 - 01:57pm PT
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on topic
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Mar 24, 2009 - 02:17pm PT
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good bump, I missed that awesome photo before.
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Mar 24, 2009 - 03:13pm PT
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While sitting in a beach chair in El Cap Meadows last week drinking a beer, I was approached by a European tourist who said, "You must be a local". Good by me !!
Cracko
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 24, 2009 - 03:46pm PT
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If you love a place and respect it, you're a local.
Simply living in a place ensures no special rights or privileges; neither do your accomplishments whatever they may be. Accomplishments garner respect but they don't make you a "local."
I've met little old ladies who love the Valley more deeply than any climber I've ever met. They're real locals even if they've never touched a rope. Furthermore, their knowledge of the Valley's natural history is more intimate.
The Valley is like an incredibly beautiful woman; it's difficult not to fall in love with her and the kinds of feelings she engenders deserve a certain respect. Disdaining people as "mere tourists" disrespects the often real feelings of others and is nothing but elitist BS.
"Tourists" in the negative sense are those that have no emotional connection to where they are and treat that area with disrespect.
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Barcus
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, Ca.
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Mar 24, 2009 - 07:29pm PT
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If you live there yer a "Local".
If you don't live there and you're nice, you're a "visitor".
If you hang out a lot, you're a "regular".
If you're non of the above, you're an effin "Touron"!
Pretty simple.
Oh yeah, A "dirtbag" is a "Dirtbag" Wherever we go!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Mar 24, 2009 - 07:34pm PT
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how much is a lot?
what if you live in the central valley, and climb regularly in Yos, but never in the ditch proper or very little?
what if you stopped going to the Valley after formerly being local?
revocation?
argh, gotta get back to work.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Mar 24, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
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The term "local" is over rated in the climbing community. It counts for little. If you follow the ethics of the climbing area and want to call yourself a local, go for it.
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Mimi
climber
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Mar 24, 2009 - 09:23pm PT
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What bvb wrote.
Werner, always knew you were hardnosed.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 24, 2009 - 09:24pm PT
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no job
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Robb
Social climber
It's like FoCo in NoCo Daddy-O!
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Mar 24, 2009 - 09:52pm PT
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You got to know where the last lunker Brown trout are/were. You can only know if you've swam there because it takes real guts.
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bluNgoldhornet6
Big Wall climber
Tampa, Fl
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Mar 24, 2009 - 11:36pm PT
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I agree with paul. "If you love the place and respect it." "Localism" sucks anyways.. I have been going to the valley since i was a baby. Every year with my family. Maybe a real Yos Local is someone who can take a newbie to the Valley and show them a truly awesome time and how to respect the place?
So many funny posts like having B.O., brushed teeth, No Money. I would like to add to that list: is riding the tram after a day long hike or climb and holding on to the railing above. AHHH the true smell of Yosemite!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 24, 2009 - 11:45pm PT
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I agree that "localism" sucks. Locals consider other climbers invaders of their turf but don't want to be treated as outsiders when they are road tripping. Remember, it's only rock climbing.
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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Mar 25, 2009 - 01:08am PT
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sometimes I fish Yosemite Creek. More often South Fork of the Merced 5 or 6 miles down stream of Wawona. The pattern pale morning dun of various colors, with a full heckel works great in both for local fish.
Pat
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alpinerockfiend
Trad climber
The American West
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Mar 25, 2009 - 03:36am PT
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If I work for DNC, does that make me a "local"?
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kev
climber
CA
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Mar 25, 2009 - 03:39am PT
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You're a local when the locals call you one.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2009 - 10:47am PT
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this thread revived? It's funny, here on the eastside, the longer I live here ( close to 27 years) it seems the LESS of a local Iam. Go to a bar , I don't hardly know anyone! I guess being a family man and living in SO-MONO you kinda fall off the planet.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 25, 2009 - 11:43am PT
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Californians seemed obsessed with "localism"--whether it be street gangs in the cities, surfers, or I guess now climbers. Too many people for the resources, I suppose. Despite all the mega-jerks in the CO Front Range, at least we seem to be spared getting dissed cuz we're not "locals" somewhere (except for WY, maybe).
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Mar 25, 2009 - 03:00pm PT
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New route on El Cap = Local
(variations ineligible)
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Dick Danger
Trad climber
Lakewood, Colorado
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Mar 25, 2009 - 05:27pm PT
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"Nothing more irritating than someone who struts around as if they are better than anybody else because they consider themselves a "local" and look at you as if you are trespassing."
Yep, so true... It gets even worse if you don't gather in C4 each night with the lemmings to listen to tales spewed by the "true" valley emporers.
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Jason Torlano
Social climber
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Mar 25, 2009 - 11:18pm PT
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My wife is a Local born and raised in Yosemite. Enjoys Yosemite every day and I can see the spark in her eyes when she is in her home. AKA LOCAL.
Who cares about all this stupidity "I did this he did this", So in my opinion you dont have to have a Laundry list to be a local.
True local treats Yosemite with respect even on busy august days. And treats all the visitors with respect on that hot rainy August day.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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Mar 26, 2009 - 08:00pm PT
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I may be finding out next winter.
When I was a senior in hs, Curry co came to a job fair and my Mom was really pushing me to go. I declined. Something I've always regretted.
So if TPR is not open next winter again, I may just make the move to the westside.
hi jason, great points.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:18am PT
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"locals"
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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A local tells stories of his/her ancestors finding a new home for a while when the ice river carved out the big dome and turned it into a half dome.
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