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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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Just found this on the web, what f*#kin bullshit!!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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First guess would be a terrorist attack. Lots of people concentrated in one place makes a good target. Luckily no one was killed.
* edit: lots of people in one place plus lots of tv cameras already there ... but it does seem to have happened a few hours late.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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Glad no one was killed, not what I heard at first, hopefully that is still the case, surprising though.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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The Boston Marathon is not an open event. Runners need to qualify, so three hours after the winners should be after everyone finished. Still, I need to withhold judgment until I get more news. Graffiti in Rattlesnake Canyon, Bombing (?) at the Boston Marathon. Is good under universal attack by evil?
John
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Chapel Hill, NC
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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THree hours after the winners finished there would most certainly still be lots of people running. There are 27000 people running the event and many people don't start until an hour after the winners start.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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NY Post reports at least 12 dead.
Other reports floating out there of 1 or more additional devices which did not detonate.
This is f-ked up.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
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Let's see: if I remember right you need to be able to run an 8 min pace for 26 mi to qualify for this race. That's 208 minutes or about 3.5 hours. That should be the pace of the slowest runners.
I just wikipedia'd this and the fastest time for this race was about 2 hours. So if the last runners cross start line 1 hour after the first ones, two hours later, you would still have 30 minutes to go before the slowest runners should be finished.
So, the explosions occurred 30 minutes before the end of the race. It would be a weird coincidence if a gas main blew up then, my guess is terrorist attack.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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No continuing fire after explosions suggests it was NOT a gas main.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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two reported dead, 22 injured. all numbers expected to go up.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
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I hope the suspected bombers only have ties to countries or organizations we've already had wars with ...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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There are reports of a third explosions occurring but there have also been reports of a controlled one by the bomb squad near the library.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
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It sure looks like an ammonium nitrate explosion to me. Wide and white.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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Relatively, and thankfully, those things looked pretty weak and amateurish.
I'm going with white supremacists.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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Isn't today the last day file your tax return?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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doh... taxes!
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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tend to think it was anti government types; tax day and all
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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Cal Fire News @CalFireNews
#BostonMarathon #explosion's #FBI is officially treating this as a Terrorist incident now downtown Boston is closed to public
3 minutes ago
Cal Fire News @CalFireNews
#BostonMarathon BPD said one IED disarmed at St. Ignatius Catholic Church, more IED's found have not been cleared yet
Boston police chief just confirmed a third explosion at JFK Library.
Not committing that the incidents are related yet
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
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a third explosion at the JFK Library
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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tend to think it was anti government types; tax day and all
That's what the Boston news is trending toward, last I heard.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
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Damnit. They should have made the race a bomb free zone, and updated the library to one too.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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two dead
over 100 injured
hey, good sarcasm Michael!
funny stuff
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
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looks like it was a Saudi National
Sh*t. Now we're gonna have to invade Iraq again.
Sorry. Probably not appropriate to cracking jokes right now. Sometimes trying to have a sense of humor is the way to deal...
I have a sister who owns a business near there, and a brother who works downtown too. Likely they went over to watch the race finish, I hope they went back to work after the winners came through.
My thoughts are with the victims and best wishes to the injured and families involved.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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looks like it was a Saudi National
Sh*t. Now we're gonna have to invade Iraq again.
F*ck you for making me sh*t my pants laughing at work.
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jbaker
Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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The NY Post story is being challenged by Boston Police.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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The NY Post story is being challenged by Boston Police.
That is no surprise. The Post is a rag. Of course there are many such rags.
Time to wait and see...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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Prayers for all those killed or injured today, as well as their loved ones, friends and families.
Prayers also for responders and all those involved in the investigative process. Hope we get the real truth from all involved including the news media.
Also, Prayers for the souls owned by darkness.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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hey there say, lynne... i will join you, to pray...
very very sad... :(
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
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I'm happy to say that my co-workers and friends who were there are all ok. Apparently our booth was not far from where the explosions were. Good thoughts out to the people hurt or killed and their families.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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I was working for the boston globe during 9/11-- this stuff is bringing back some bad memories....
A friend finished 15 minutes before... she's OK... why do i drink ?
Globe reports 100+ in hospital and 3 dead
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
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Roupen Bastajian, a 35-year-old state trooper from Smithfield, R.I., had just finished the race when they put the heat blanket wrap on him and he heard the first blast.
"I started running toward the blast. And there were people all over the floor," he said. "We started grabbing tourniquets and started tying legs. A lot of people amputated. ... At least 25 to 30 people have at least one leg missing, or an ankle missing, or two legs missing."
Bad. Prayers for all.
JL
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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Roupen Bastajian, a 35-year-old state trooper from Smithfield, R.I., had just finished the race when they put the heat blanket wrap on him and he heard the first blast.
I started running toward the blast...
What kind of courage does it take to run toward the blast? What kind of instinct?
Anyone trained in bombings is trained to understand that second blasts are used to kill responders rushing to the scene. And yet this (apparently off-duty) state trooper did just that.
Are basketball players heroes, or are the real heroes everyday joes like this guy?
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
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The scum that did this will pay
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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This is fuked up no matter how you look at it ...
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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God Damn savages
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
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Are basketball players heroes
hell no, not in my book. neither are pro baseball, football, or hockey players.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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I would never have clicked on the pictures. My imagination runs crazy in plain everyday life. But W.Braun clicked for me. My heart is torn into 50 million pieces, for that man and the others injured or killed. Oh God......
But my heart is even more torn for the heart of darkness that perpetrated this. There is good on this planet and there is evil ....everyday each person makes a choice in both little and big ways.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
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Roupen Bastajian, a 35-year-old state trooper from Smithfield, R.I., had just finished the race when they put the heat blanket wrap on him and he heard the first blast.
I started running toward the blast...
What kind of courage does it take to run toward the blast? What kind of instinct?
I don't know, after my one and only marathon, I could not really walk after the finish line, could not even stand. Not saying I don't believe it, just stood out as a little odd that someone who had just ran a marathon was in any condition to do much.
Fortunately there aren't that many people who seem to think blowing up random people is a good idea; unfortunately there are a few.
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
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Sorry to report that one of the dead is an 8 year old boy. I hope they catch the bastards.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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Boston globe reports the guy in the photo ran PB of 2;33 and was waiting for his wife to finish
Bring these savages to my house for sentencing,, no problem
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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The person/people who did this probably thought they were justified in this horrific actions and doing good not evil. How f*#ked up is that. If they could forget everything they know and just use logic and reason to discern good from evil they would come to the conclusion that it's never justified to kill or hurt innocent people. But they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed to the point of thinking the worst, evil things possible are somehow supporting their f*#ked up cause. I don't think you'll ever weed out all these messed up people, and first you have to look for them and take them out whenever possible, but we should also be trying to educate people all over the world that they should use their own brains to figure out right and wrong and when someone tells them violence against innocent people is somehow justified don't believe that bullsh#t.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
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Right fet---- take them out
If you wanna kill civilians- coward
there's been a lot of whacked sh&t in Boston.. this is right up there.
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Gene
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
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We don't know squat about who did this. We will know soon enough.
For now I suggest sending prayers/vibes/good thought, whatever you want to call it, to the victims, their families, and the first responders.
g
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
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well
we have no idea at this time "who" did it
immediate assumptions are people from the Middle East (Ron)
and JHedge concludes "right wing" terrorism
remember the Oklahoma bombing?
it was a white guy, an American, "Timothy"
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
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YES- esp the 8 year old who died....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
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I was at work in NH when it happened.
Cell service was nil, the lines were all busy, my coworkers and I speculated that something bad had happened. Sadly we were right.
My thoughts go out to all those involved.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
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My heart goes out to the victims, their families, and to the people of Boston.
I love running marathons and the culture around the events. It boils my blood to think how a positive event like the Boston marathon has turned into a blood bath.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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So if it were to turn out to be Saudis (again, although my knee-jerk reaction is the same as Hedge's), which country would we start a BS war in this time?
I mean, last time, we bombed Afghanistan and invaded Iraq. Maybe this time it'll be Bangladesh and Norway...neither has f*#k-all to do with anything, but neither did Iraq, and after the last time it's clear that we sure as hell won't actually go after Saudi Arabia.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
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Brandon- reported cell activated devices .. service may have been shut down to prevent more
3 friends running,,2 finished,, one held at the "blockade" all OK
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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Lilabiene - this is on your turf. You okay?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
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The ME is FULL of people who think just that. Cowardly attacks the norm. They too had their explosions- in many countries today, Iraq included.
It's a little early to jump to conclusions, Ron. At the time of the Oklahoma City bombing, I was working on a crew with a Portuguese guy from the Azores. In the immediate aftermath he was on the receiving end of a lot of abuse, we had to shut down our job and get him back to the office, we were really worried about his safety.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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WAY MORE PEOPLE DIED IN CAR ACCIDENTS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!! DO you really think each and every one of those lost to the day to day trgaedies are any less of a TRAGEDY? I really am being serious here.
Yeah this sucks and yeah it IS legitimate news.
But it sure as hell is not legitimate reason to go to war or lose more freedoms via something like the UNPATRIOTIC ACT. I hope we don't use it as an excuse.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
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no comment
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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No it is not Ron. America must get over this minor crap. And yes it is MINOR when considered in the full picture.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH. The Land of the BRAVE? YER GUNNA DIE! What is BRAVE if it isn't the ability to face that fact? What is Brave if you sacrifice decency because of fear?
Some idiot from wherever with a couple bombs and kills a few folks???
And we should even react at all?? Compared to what?.. last weeks lightning strike deaths?
I guarantee most SAUDI's are good people you would be blessed to have as friends... as all friends are a blessing.
People are people and the vast majority are pretty decent folks.
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nah000
Mountain climber
canuckistan
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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+7.1 billion climbski2
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
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ski- lightning strikes are not intentional,,, or earthquakes ..or blowinup people watching a road race is
so i guess the 8 year old was "ok " death
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
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I do not consider this minor in any way.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
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And someone intentionally caused it. So we find that person or persons. We make sure they cannot strike again.
BUT WE DAMN WELL SHOULD NOT CONDEMN A WHOLE ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCT OF SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF ONE OR A FEW.
Minor is a relative term. If you knew someone who died or was hurt here.. it is MAJOR.. it is a lifechanging event of great deapth.
If you didn't know anyone here you are just sitting in your chair and bemoaning the fact that you were informed that in the real world bad things happen.
You are like a 6 year old that learns that life has some harsh realities and goes crying to bed.
If you think this is more horrible than the last multicar interstate pileup then you are self deceived and unthinkingly naive or hypocritical.
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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climbski,
+1
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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BUT WE DAMN WELL SHOULD NOT CONDEMN A WHOLE ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCT OF SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF ONE OR A FEW.
a whole lot of people will anyway
immediate, emotional, knee jerk reaction
because it feels good
feels righteous
last time we did it, it cost us three trillion dollars and 4000 US Armed Forces dead
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
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No we will never be able to stop a dedicated intelligent individual of the most dangerous race of beings in the known universe from attacking like this.
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BobLoblaw
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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Ron - We're not going to stop such people. There will always be a small percentage of crazy people who don't value life and feel the need to make a statement.
By my calculation, this brings the grand total of terrorist-related deaths in the U.S. in the past 10+ years to...2. How many people have died by gunfire from white Americans during that time (in schools, movie theaters, etc.)? How are we going to stop those people? Are terrorist bombs really the biggest threat? (This is, of course, assuming this even was a foreign terrorist attack...)
The Middle East is not "FULL" of these people. Have you ever been there? Of course you haven't. I have, and I have American friends who have lived there for years, and 99% of the people you encounter are friendly and caring. Your statement is the equivalent of going to a neo-Nazi rally here in the U.S. and then proclaiming "American is FULL of skinhead racists!" It makes you look like even more of an ignorant bigot than you normally do. Congratulations.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
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'MURICA!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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SO a man thinks to himself those folks over there might attack.. so he nukes them
Then he figures someone over there might attack.. so he nukes them
Eventually he nukes everyone.. cause hey.. they might attack
Then he looks at himself and says.. jeez I should't smoke a cigarette or drink a beer or eat McDonalds or Climbe a rock
So he shoots himself
Another guy just says
Life is good and I like most of the people I meet. Gotta die someday so no sense worrying about that.. what can I do to make life better while I'm here?
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Gene
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
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how are we going to stop such people?
We can solve this problem with mandatory racial/ethnic/religious/mental/DNA/etc. profiling and government monitoring of all personal activities of the entire world population. Problem solved. I think Homeland Security is working on an ap for this. I can’t wait for the whole family to get the GPS and biometric chips implanted. I’ll feel much safer. How 'bout you?
g
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
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Ron - We're not going to stop such people. There will always be a small percentage of crazy people who don't value life and feel the need to make a statement.
By my calculation, this brings the grand total of terrorist-related deaths in the U.S. in the past 10+ years to...2. How many people have died by gunfire from white Americans during that time (in schools, movie theaters, etc.)? How are we going to stop those people? Are terrorist bombs really the biggest threat? (This is, of course, assuming this even was a foreign terrorist attack...)
The Middle East is not "FULL" of these people. Have you ever been there? Of course you haven't. I have, and I have American friends who have lived there for years, and 99% of the people you encounter are friendly and caring. Your statement is the equivalent of going to a neo-Nazi rally here in the U.S. and then proclaiming "American is FULL of skinhead racists!" It makes you look like even more of an ignorant bigot than you normally do. Congratulations.
only 2 terrorist related deaths in the US in the past 10 years
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
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We did meet once and really honestly.. I do like you Ron. Like many folks today.. this crap has me venting too.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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Bobleblob...Just because some men suffer from MPB doesn't give you the right to categorize us as skin-head racists...RJ
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
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Dulferwhat... jeez we just called it the crotchburner ... freaking elitist!
Hey wanna go climb some stuff Rick found outside Fernley?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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3 deaths now.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
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I wouldn't mind climbing some time.
Best wishes to the victims, as with all such tragedies.
Quit f-ing guessing as to whodunnit. Time will tell.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
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Seems like North Korea recently declared war on us. Just saying.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
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only 2 terrorist related deaths in the US in the past 10 years
Yeah well go back a couple more years and all of a sudden its thousands. Go back to Oklahoma City and its even more. I also see you don't consider the Ft Hood shootings to be terrorism. "Allah Akbar!!!!" Blam blam blam blam...
In the case of this mess in Boston, the best thing would be for everyone to unite on the theme that it is a terrible thing and not to speculate, throwing accusations in all directions, until the facts come in.
Conservative media are blaming the ME, at the same time liberal media are speculating that it is a right wing government hating group. Who does this BS from either side serve? No one.
Jeez, there are even conspiracy theory folks on facebook saying that the Boston PD did it accidentally as they were using the event as a training exercise in bomb squad work.
None of this idiotic speculation contributes anything.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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Hey, who you calling an idiot? Speculation is about as natural as apple pie. :>) Give me freedom to speculate or give me death. Notice I'm not speculating out loud except for mentioning the North Koreans.
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shady
Trad climber
hasbeen
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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As a participant in an unpopular war a few decades ago, I whole heartedly agree.
+1 Tami.
I already oppose our next war.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
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Give me freedom to speculate or give me death.
Dan, you and me speculating is natural. The "news" media speculating is irresponsible. And the politicians will be next.
I always enjoy your sense of humor though...
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
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Oh, the media......nuff said. :>)
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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Obama did not use the word terrorist in addressing this crime
He'll get ripped fer that one
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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He'll get ripped fer that one
Yeah, they'll take his birth certificate away!
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shady
Trad climber
hasbeen
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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Media speculation is modern journalism.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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So if we find out specifically who did this atrocity what then? Do we do it back to them? Do we hate as much or more than the perps. Do we let our system deal with them? What? Where do we go from here? What do we do to eliminate this horror. Can we do anything?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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So if we find out specifically who did this atrocity what then?
We kill em.
Limb by limb.
No we will not cut them off. We will tear them off.
Piece by piece, the head last.
It will be gruesome. It will be done in public.
Everyone will enjoy and watch.
This is the 21'st century.
There will be no mercy.
Ho mannnn .....
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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Yeah, they'll take his birth certificate away!
maybe they'll make him another one though.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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So a Saudi National is in custody. He has not been arrested and is denying involvement. An American noticed him acting suspiciously then chased him down after he took off running after the explosions (not a surprising reaction to a bomb). He was last reported to be denying any involvement.
I still bet homegrown - prolly wont know for a few days.
Very very sad day.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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How many innocent bystanders have we taken out? what do they call them casualties of war? didn't we declare war on the terrorists?
it's tragic but we can't run around doin whatever we feel is right and not expect any backlash right?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
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Anything but, unfortunately. North Koreans will have to be more aggressive now to reclaim the media.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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I'm retracting my "i bet homegrown"
To many contradictory pieces of info pointing away from home grown.
If the reports of a bomb being found in a hotel are true that seems to point away from a timothy mcveigh.
Regardless of which flavor of whack jobs did this it's very sad.
Werner, what's your take?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
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tea party
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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Werner, what's your take?
Americans are stupid?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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LOL you guys got me pegged.
My take of course is "False Flag Op"
Somethings up.
And Timothy Mcveigh you guys are dreaming.
He was patsy for that Oklahoma false flag ops, everyone knows that for years except for stupid Americans.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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Guaranteed another 150 posts past the next 150.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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M18A1 Claymore Mines a possibility?
Directional.
Ball bearings.
White smoke.
Sound is about the same.....
My WAG
A very sad day.
Erik
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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lower level shots----- leg off's and stuff
just horrible
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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That Boston was able to shut off cell service instantly means they
knew in advance that cell phone triggered ied's were possibly going to be
used.
Not certain but a possibility. And knew which towers to shut off. No futzing around with coverage maps. So they had that functionality primed and ready just in case.
Unless anyone out there has knowledge that all the police departments
across the US have cell tower kill switches they can activate when needed?
Think Boston PD had a light bulb moment that fast? No. They were ready in
case they could not arrest the terrorists before.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/23/us-pakistan-violence-idUSBRE8AM0HI20121123
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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Conspiracy really ? come on, the cell;; service was overloaded.
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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Well put Jim-- thank you
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
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slabbo - LE plans for stopping or mitigating terror attacks are not
a conspiracy. Contingency planning is what the good guys do.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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April 15? hmmm, maybe homegrown.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
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Ron...you seem very knowledgeable about explosives and pyrotechnics and you were the first one to post about the bombing...You been to the ME lately or any skinhead rallies...? Feel free to share with your fellow tacoites...RJ
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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I was at work today in Boston.
Every year growing up, we would get together with family and friends to cheer on the runners along the marathon route. It's a unifying, fun and up-beat event made even more meaningful watching folks dig deep and tackle "heartbreak hill".
I couldn't bear to take photos of the signs left hanging along the route by the families and friends of runners. As I was driving out of the city around 6p, reporters on the radio were reporting that people were still wandering around, cold and lost, trying to find friends and family.
My heart goes out to the families who lost loved ones, and to those family members and other individuals whose lives will be forever changed due to severed limbs, permanent disfigurement and lost innocence.
It's a sad day in Boston.
That being said, they sure as Hell picked the WRONG city. Bunch of COWARDS.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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At least 30 members of an Afghan wedding party were killed and many more wounded when a U.S. plane bombed a village in the central province of Uruzgan today, Afghan officials and residents said.
any legitimate news organization or wire reporting this? like AP or New York Times or Reuters or BBC? The first hits I saw on my googling "30 killed Afghan wedding" are:
(1) www.dailypaul.com > Forums > Daily Paul Liberty Forum
(2) www.newsvine.com
(3) www.dailymail.co.uk (the one you linked)
(4) www.godlikeproductions.com
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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Shutting down the cell towers is a planned defensive maneuver.
Doesn't do sh!t if you know what your doing.
If you want to control IED's explosives you don't need cell tower.
Man you guys don't know much.
Just main stream media is all you know ......
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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pre pay cell ?
all kinds of ways to comm it.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
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Stop speculating slabbo.
You have no clue.
And I'm NOT going to give you any.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
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AT+T has been practicing cell tower shut downs here on the eastside for the past 5 years...Wish i could get reception..Quack....!
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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Not speculating W-- F off
I have some experience in this and I aint telling
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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Not a secret that they will be tracking down every phone in the world that made 2 calls in the 14 seconds between the two blasts.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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My theory , for what it's worth:
These bombs were the work of someone who was disqualified from the Marathon in the last year or two. They feel like they should have won but feel they were cheated by Marathon officials. They have been nursing a grudge, of sociopathic proportions , ever since.
Investigators need to go over the list of disgruntled and disqualified runners , possibly going back several years.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
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At least 30 members of an Afghan wedding party were killed and many more wounded when a U.S. plane bombed a village in the central province of Uruzgan today, Afghan officials and residents said.
That doesn't count it was an accident,WTF
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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^^^^^^a lot less^^^^^^
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:09am PT
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This I can agree on ^^
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:21am PT
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bomb-bastic
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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Think we all agree on this, Coz. Especially tonight, as everyone comes to gripes with the weird horror inflicted on humans that were just living their day. Prayers and comfort to all. It is difficult to comprehend......
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:33am PT
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Hell there are probably more people killed and maimed daily on the streets of Chicago than this little act. Why are americans acting so collectively stupid? Terrorism is only effective if the terrorized cease to function normally. Don't sensationalize, don't give them the effect they want, shake it off and get back to business as usual other than tracking them without relent till captured or killed.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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Folks, calm down.
I've read all sorts of wrong things in this thread, reporting speculation as fact.
Also, consider that you don't really want to cause harm to your fellow climbers, do you?
I'm specifically talking about posting gratuitous pictures of traumatic amputations, with no warning. Those of us in medicine and EMS have seen worse, but for those who do not, such things can cause psychologic damage, that can go on for some time.
You may choose to believe that such people are weak, have weak character....and irrespective of such value judgements of people, posting things that may hurt people says a lot more about your character, than theirs.
I'm talking specifically to you WB.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:36am PT
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Ken M
I've never said a word about anyone being weak.
You did and your projecting ideas in your silly head again about other people.
You do that a lot.
I received an email from one person here about your sickness.
That person left this forum because of you and your sick twisted mentality.
Best back off screwball ......
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:53am PT
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I don't see any difference between a photo of someone's missing leg and a written description saying something like "leg blown off".
If the written word doesn't paint that exact same picture into your head, you need to, I don't know, maybe brush up on reading comprehension, or something.
If you can stomach reading a news article about limbs being blown off, you should be OK with the photos too.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:39am PT
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I don't see any difference between a photo of someone's missing leg and a written description saying something like "leg blown off".
chaz, you post that as a person with childish concepts of people.
Perhaps you would benefit from spending time on a suicide line, or counseling people who suffer from PTSD.
I'm sure that seeing an actual picture of your child eviserated would affect you no differently than reading about it, but you are certainly not typical.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:44am PT
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Braun Boy,
other than being a simple troll, you are an embarrassment to EMS providers.
Time to retire.
Inasmuch as that picture does not appear easily found on the web, you probably used your access to confidential EMS blogs. Using that info to post publically is particularly offensive.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:50am PT
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Wow, Americans really ARE stupid.
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John M
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:54am PT
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Ease up you two.
Ken.. the picture is on yahoo news.
I would like to know who left because of Ken. ken is cantankerous at times, and opinionated, but I haven't seen him post anything worse then a whole lot of other people on this forum. But then I haven't been reading much of the political threads lately.
What a terrible event.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:57am PT
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John you'd be surprised who it was, very respected person.
All because of this sh!thead who mkes up crap in his head about people he knows nothing about.
I have no respect at all for this fuk head Ken M
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:03am PT
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I just stuck my head out of my little hole... Looked around and WHAM...
Yeah, don't have to go far to see some crazy, angry, stuff flying around. Yup, yup, going back into hiding... Carry on folks.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:03am PT
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A brilliant and professional response from a representative of Yosemite SAR.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:06am PT
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It was for your dumbsh!t head aszhole Ken M.
For your information ya stupid sh!thead I've never in my life have ever done any EMS ever.
So quit projecting crap on people that you don't know.
And that's what you did to that other guy too.
Fukhead ....
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:22am PT
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My condolences to everyone affected by this horrible tragedy.
So tell me Climb2ki, how are we going to stop such people? Id rather PREVENT than prosecute after the fact.
To this I must say, how many of your freedoms are you willing to forfeit to achieve such a mission statement??????
Edit wow.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 16, 2013 - 06:04am PT
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Supertopo: the number one name in internet news and random emotional speculation.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 16, 2013 - 06:26am PT
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Pretty f*#ked up that you guys turn a tradgedy into a pissing match.
anyone who gets PTSD from a photo is most definatly suffering from first world problems....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 16, 2013 - 06:26am PT
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Pretty f*#ked up that you guys turn a tradgedy into a pissing match.
Tradmanclimbs, so true. But...
Supertopo: the number one name in internet news and random emotional speculation.
Patrick: Number One? Yeah, right. Had to get your two bits in, didn't you. If you do not like the Taco Stand, then just leave. It is a good site, far better than many. You obviously feel burned from the Peru thread that you started. No hard feelings, but you come across as bitter, IMO. ;-)
Wow, Americans really ARE stupid.
Michelle, some of the posters are not 'Americans', some are born elsewhere, but just as stupid. Stupidity knows no boundaries.
Condolences to the injured and families of those killed and maimed in this horrible 'event'.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 16, 2013 - 07:08am PT
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An estimated 50-80 people were killed in bombings in Iraq yesterday, also. The public is tired of hearing about that so the news doesn't pay much attention to it, so it's not important and Obama won't make a speech about it. I think the Taliban wedding story is an old one, but bombings happen regularly in these war zones.
For some reason the White House is avoiding using the word terrorism. Why? Is it because we have to determine the religion and nationality of the culprits first?
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Apr 16, 2013 - 07:54am PT
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I would like to make a few comments, which I have had 1st hand experience with.
It was mentioned in an earlier post that there was no C4 detected.
There are other explosives, which are just as powerful as C4, which can be made by a novice, with little experience.
When viewing the photo that Werner posted, one may assume that the guy was in considerable pain, but if my own experience with bomb blast is typical, the whole area around the wound is rather numb for several hours.
I was injured severely, by separate bomb blast, and each time, I had NO feeling in the area for many hours afterwards.
I nearly lost my foot in Vietnam, and they told me I wouldn't run again.
A few years later, I was climbing routes on EL Cap.
With the right motivation, let us hope the injured will walk and run again.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 16, 2013 - 08:39am PT
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You obviously feel burned from the Peru thread that you started. No hard feelings, but you come across as bitter, IMO. ;-)
other Patrick,
You sound a little bitter too dude (obviously). Peru thread? That was months ago. Sorry it has been weighing on your mind. No hard feelings, of course.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 16, 2013 - 08:57am PT
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Those last few post were good ones thanks.
Very tragic and my heart goes out to all affected.
Werner, I can see one point of Ken's (not that you probably give a goshdarn) which is posting a very graphic image without a warning. A link may have been better... though a shocking is indeed what we all must and should feel (though that may of been your point, I don't know).
All that other stuff seems kind of minor considering the pain and suffering many are going through.
My $0.02
And, too, that it is easier for me to feel the outrage, frustration, sorrow, and compassion for ALL those that experience these horrific things no matter who they are or where they live or what they believe.
That is something everyone needs to get their heads wrapped around.
People do pretty f*#ked up shite to each other. Seems to me that tolerance and respect for others is even more important and is needed to balance it out.
cheers
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:34am PT
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"At Massachusetts General Hospital, Alasdair Conn, chief of emergency services,said: "This is something I've never seen in my 25 years here ... this amount of carnage in the civilian population. This is what we expect from war."
Didn't we already go to "war" over a exponentially larger amount of "carnage" on September 11, 2001? It appears from this statement that, in twelve years, some things have already been forgotten. It's going to happen again, and again, and again, and if you haven't already, you might start thinking like you're in a war zone and keep you're head on a swivel. As I said to a fellow shipmate/Corpsman of the relieving 3/25 Marines in March 2005, while lying on our faces on the dusty floor of the "internet room" after a VBIED explosion out at the main gate of FOB Hit, "Welcome to Iraq!"
OP Alpha, FOB Hit Iraq, '04-'05
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:45am PT
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I've got no problem with the image Werner posted.
Yes, that's what it looks like folks.
I haven't forgotten what happened on 9/11, but exactly what do you think we've been doing to people in Iraq and Afghanistan for over 10 years?
Or Yemen or Pakistan for that matter.
To think that they were all combatants and bad guys is just plain ignorant
That's why all of Fatty's "over the horizon" and "surgical" bullshit made me so crazy. As if there were only bad guys on the other side of the horizon.....
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:22am PT
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But the govt is draggin a bit with the news.
That's a good thing.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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As opposed to jumping to conclusions and speculating like...
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:27am PT
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I haven't forgotten what happened on 9/11, but exactly what do you think we've been doing to people in Iraq and Afghanistan for over 10 years? Or Yemen or Pakistan for that matter.
In a war, doing the job we volunteered for, trying to stop bad guys, so others can enjoy the FREEDOM of speech, and other freedoms that some take for granted here in America.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:36am PT
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Plane crashes in Bali.. 2 Americans and one British aboard.
How many times have you seen headlines like this in America? News outlets always sell to their readership. You will find headlines like this in over 90 Nations today regarding the Marathon bombing. Over 90 nations had athletes in the race. From a terrorism point of view it would be hard to pick an event with more widespread international coverage.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:37am PT
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Dude, man that is the same kind of news reported whenever the same thing happens somewhere else. Of course they're going to report the status of their own nationals to their nationals-duh.
Empathy. You expect a response to that statement from you.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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Condolences to all those in Boston this AM, what a cowardly act!
I was standing at an equivalent spot (of the first blast) this year at the finish of the LA marathon. I have to admit that it made me a bit more aware of my surroundings as I rode the bus into work this morning.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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The press conference just held in Boston makes it very clear that no other devices were found.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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“If you are not hyper-vigilant and in some way fearful for your very life then, I’m sorry, you’re living on a completely different planet,” National Security Advisor Tom Donilon told reporters. “Now, if you feel like you live in an unpredictable place where somebody hates you for no reason whatsoever and literally wants to murder you even though they’ve never even met you, well, that’s living in the world based on how it truly is. It’s an age of constantly searching for answers but realizing there are none because there are simply no logical answers when it comes to insanity. ”
“That’s pretty goddamn sad, but it’s the truth,” Donilon added.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/this-what-world-like-now,32068/
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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anyone who gets PTSD from a photo is most definatly suffering from first world problems....
Great way to blame victims....just as I'd originally posted.
You speak of this illness as one who is an expert at diagnosing and treating it. You may well be.
You may also consider that those who DO have PTSD can experience a re-triggering of symptoms by unexpected exposures to noises.....or violence.
Of course, we owe nothing to such veterans, such as a warning, right?
Some people seem to get very upset by images of violence. If they happen to be dry alcoholics, that can easily be a trigger to drink. No warning for them, either.
but of course, we have no veterans or alcoholics here, eh?
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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Werner wrote
Doesn't do sh!t if you know what your doing.
If you want to control IED's explosives you don't need cell tower.
Man you guys don't know much.
Just main stream media is all you know ......
Bingo - that's right folks. Start with a simple midland walkie talkie (the noob climber communication device) and make some basic mods to it and you're set. Why even mod it? We'll you'd prolly want it NOT to go off by accident when someone used their walkie talkie. Pretty basic. Granted you're range is limited but that too could be fixed and this is a VERY simple example of why you don't need cell towers.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:47am PT
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In a war, doing the job we volunteered for, trying to stop bad guys, so others can enjoy the FREEDOM of speech, and other freedoms that some take for granted here in America.
And killing a helluva lot of innocent people while we're at it. Look Illusion, I was in the service too. I know which team I'm on, but this idea that we kill only bad guys, and they kill only good guys, or that everyone from their country is bad is just wrong.
I also have a pretty good sense that there is a large difference between a "righteous" war and one that isn't. Doesn't Jesus or God have an opinion on that as well?
How many "bad guys" have we "stopped" ? And how many have we created?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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“Now, if you feel like you live in an unpredictable place where somebody hates you for no reason whatsoever and literally wants to murder you even though they’ve never even met you, well, that’s living in the world based on how it truly is."
Someone hates you for no reason whatsoever? Hmmmm, no reason whatsoever... Possibly because they paint us all with the same US AND THEM brush that we paint them with. I don't know, just spitballin' here...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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so what is your answer Survival?
Melt their whole Goddamn country into a parking lot, what else?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
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Supertopo: the number one name in internet news and random emotional speculation.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Another think to think about, from terrorism-research.com:
Fear of backlash rarely concerns these groups, as it is often one of their goals to provoke overreaction by their enemies, and hopefully widen the conflict.
So when the gov't doesn't pour a lot of gas on the fire, which will predictably work people up, perhaps it is because they understand that they can be feeding into the overreaction that the terrorist wants.
They don't want to further the goals of the terrorists, do you want to take actions that add to the emotion and backlash?
I know that I was really proud as an American (not!), when good ol boys took it upon themselves to exact revenge for 911 by killing some o' them turbanhead Sikhs.
OH! Wrong religion!
I think it is incumbent upon Americans to reflect VERY carefully on what they say and do after a terrorist attack. The terrorists desire to control your emotions, words, and actions. Do you want to be acting according to their dictates? Do you want to be acting as their agent?
Who do you want to be in control of you-----you, or the terrorists?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
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Ken M -- " it is incumbent upon Americans to reflect VERY carefully on what they say and do .."
You are the biggest hypocrite here.
You should follow your own advice before running your stupid mouth .....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
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so what is your answer Survival?
Melt their whole Goddamn country into a parking lot, what else?
So you Einsteins would attack Saudi Arabia for 911......as Bin Laden intended?
You would attack England for the Shoe Bomber.....as Bin Laden intended?
Why do you want to be accomplices of Terrorists attacking America?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
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I am so confused after reading this thread. Ehhh..I have decided that the culprit is an evil group of obese middle americans that are really behind it all. Turns out they dont like the skinny active types. They are tired of all the bullying ,accusations of fatness and being called lazy.
Using this logic, we should probably beef up security at other locations where skinny fit people congregate...climbing gyms, juice bars, your local crag etc.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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So you Einsteins would attack Saudi Arabia for 911......as Bin Laden intended?
Don't count me in that group, genius.
Apparently you haven't read enough of my previous posts to understand tongue firmly in cheek trolling toward Ron.
Way to jump to conclusions Ken.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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And yes the images are graphic. But they truly need to be so. A picture being worth a thousand words.
Thanks, Ron, for doing the work of the Terrorists! They need all the help you can give them.
Do your best to work people up, from a crowd into a mob. That way we don't have to actually discover any plots or do any search for evidence. Just kill the first thing we see.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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So what's your answer Ron?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
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Ken M -- "...do any search for evidence."
That's exactly what you've been doing to people on this forum.
Again you are the biggest aszhole hypocrite here.
Follow your own advice first before run your stupid mouth again prick.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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And if it turns out to be another McVeigh, do we round up every Tea Party and NRA member?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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Fuk yeah, PROFILE those anti government types!!
Wait, Ron.. . . is. . an. .anti-gov . ....wait, never mind....
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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Though I'm no fan of gore for its own sake, the public is all too often served up a sanitized version of these attacks and lest everyone is shaken - within reason - by the awful nature of terrorism, we'll keep thinking of these things in terms of statistics, rather than the fact that people are literally getting blown up.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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Did McVeigh walk like a duck?
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
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Most un-Yogi like behavior, Werner. You sound like one of the "stupid Americans" you constantly rail about. So what's up? Why so mean-spirited and angry all of a sudden?
Been eating too much SPAM lately? (Kidding!) I'm concerned for your well being and I wish you a return to your normal sense of calm placidity. All of us could stand to be more like that, and less wound up and reactionary.
Don't let some troll get you all wound up. What good does that do anyone?
Michael Smith
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stephenbmx1@yahoo.com montoya
Sport climber
texas
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
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jesus christ, poor people, so sad...
and quit f*#king bitching faggots!
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
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Why so mean-spirited and angry all of a sudden?
Specific reason Nick and has nothing really do with the photo.
I'm standing up against this hypocritical self righteous aszhole who claims
professionalism and and one should collect evidence before coming to conclusions.
Instead this fukhead himself comes to conclusions before even getting evidence himself.
He'll do this with anyone and has many times.
He's done worst to another person who left the forum completely because of this sh!theads slanderous actions.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
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How is it after every tragedy the same cast of characters argue over nonsense? Condolences to all who lost someone or something in this event, Boston is a great city and my thoughts are with the people who are suffering.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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I'm well aware of this idiots actions, Ron.
I told that prick in the beginning he's fuking with wrong guy.
I will not stand for his hypocritical framing bullsh!t.
Him trying imply me as logging in to some confidential EMS site.
I've never been an EMS nor EMS provider ever.
Here's his exact words.
you probably used your access to confidential EMS blogs. Using that info to post publically is particularly offensive.
All while hypocritically Ken posts under his flag of him being a "Professional"
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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Well, came in this morning to see this thread is raging right along. Plenty of stuff here to make search engines pick up the thread for people that may still be reaching out to loved ones or friends, and they will get to enjoy this. How about letting the smoke clear before you start pointing fingers? I've seen several people blaming the ME already with absolutely no justification that I have read.
Only went back a couple pages and saw this:
Pretty f*#ked up that you guys turn a tradgedy into a pissing match.
Yup. That seems spot on. Try some compassion for a change, maybe?
Serious healing thoughts being sent out to the people, families, friends, and everyone else associated with this horror. I had a friend run yesterday, thankfully he was done long before the blasts.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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Ron, not saying it isn't worth discussion, but it's always the same nonsense. Somehow it turns into a political debate, you get attacked by many posters and then you tend to take the discussion to something that isn't always relevant. An event like this should be a time to unify and help each other. Carry on though, it was just an observation that isn't relevant to this event anyway. Yes Werner I'm being a hypocrite too.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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I'm a crappy runner, it took me 30 weeks last year to train for the New York Marathon, it was cancelled due to a Hurricane. Weeks of foregoing other adventures, just to get the mileage in.
Boston isn't just another Marathon, it is THE Marathon. It's very hard to get accepted, people wake up at 4 am, for years, to get the training in, just so they can qualify. There are thousands of people out there today, who've had the dream of a lifetime turned into a mess. Some weren't even allowed to finish.
The old saying, "I was sorry for myself because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet", is particularly applicable here.
My heart goes out to those who have been injured and are feeling pain today.
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shady
Trad climber
hasbeen
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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The Salt lake city marathon will be run as planned this Saturday.
Me happy. Best way to give terrorists the middle finger is to continue on. Best way to give the victims the raised fist of solidarity is to continue on.
I work near the starting line, and am looking forward to my prestart arrival at work to be extra screwy. Yummmmm......extra screwy!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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My guess is that this is home grown right wing extremests such as the Olympic Park bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing.
If it had been Al Quaida, then they would have been much larger.
It isn't that hard to make explosives at home, even high explosives. I know how to do a few of them just from studying mining.
Most are hard to make without a basic knowledge of chemistry.
Ammonium Nitrate is hard to find at your local garden center. They replaced it with Urea after the OKC bombing. It is also difficult to detonate. You need a really big cap. McVeigh used det cord.
My guess is that these are either black powder or Acetone Peroxide. Acetone Peroxide has a very short shelf life..a couple of days or so, so it must be used quickly. Also, in its dry form it is super sensitive. Making it is supposed to be pretty insane in itself. It is supposed to be very easy to make in small quantities, but the underwear and the shoe bomber were lucky that they did't blow up taking a piss. That stuff is supposed to be that unstable.
As for the smoke, any explosion is simply a rapid conversion from a solid to a gas. I was worrying that something poisonous my have been mixed in with the bomb. That would be truly horrific.
I will never understand how human beings can be so evil. Then it occurred to me that those drone fired hellfire missiles are much stronger. The whole morality of it gets weird. How can killing be moral?
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shady
Trad climber
hasbeen
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
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Base104...
I'm with you on this, but simply because there has been no claim of responsibility.I think the major terror groups would have hyped it up seconds after the bombs went off.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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bouncing betty blows your balls off....
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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What a useless tragedy, for what it is worth, best wishes for a full recovery for all those injured and the families experiencing loss. The real heroes stepped forward and helped and the pictures while gory also demonstrate people’s ability to help each other in the wake of senseless violence.
If anything this senseless act makes me want to sign and run a major marathon again just to show this won't change anyhting.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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I have a bone to pick with those who describe the marathon bombing, or any other such act of terror as a tragedy. The word tragedy has a specific implication of inevitability. A tragic drama for example will show the downfall of a great person due to their own flaws. Or there could be a tragic event such as the loss of a ship at sea. But when man inflicts this kind of terror on his own kind it is not some kind of inevitable thing brought on by risk or flaw of character. It is evil. The events in Boston are more than a tragedy, they are an atrocity. Sorry to nitpick, but I believe that words matter, and the careful choice of words helps to keep us honest and aware.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
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Apparently you haven't read enough of my previous posts to understand tongue firmly in cheek trolling toward Ron.
Survival, if "trolling" for fun in the context of this tragedy Atrocity is your idea of entertainment, you can leave the discussion to adults.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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I understand better now WB. Still, since you know it's BS, and your friends will as well, why not let it slide off like the water off a duck's back.
I had a very bad experience with a well known, well liked poster that wound up costing me over a thousand bucks. He threatened to make legal trouble for me with his high powered lawyer wife if I didn't just let him effectively take my money. Well, I'm not married to a hot shot lawyer and I had no real choice but to give in to the guy.
Of course I have an extremely low opinion of this person, but sitting around and letting it eat at me hurts me and not him. I'm not a healthy person and so I place a very high value on my health. I know our situations are different in many ways, but I think the stress we both feel is similar. I know that stress is bad for my health and I'm sure it's not great for you either.
This clown means nothing to you in the real world so why not just forget him. Let him go on with his internet tough guy bull. Someone who really only exists in cyberspace matters little and is living a pitiable existence.
By contrast, look at the difference that you have made in so many people's lives in the real world. In the climbing world you have a tremendous legacy of helping those in need. When this fvck makes you angry why not think of someone you helped instead. Think of them and feel good instead.
Let the bad guy feel bad, and ruin his health instead.
Good luck to you my brother.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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My guess is that these are either black powder
One of the articles I read said it was gunpowder. They have all kinds of checks in place to prevent people from buying fertilizer but if you want to buy 10,000 rounds and open up all the bullets to extract the powder, that's patriotism and every gun owner's right.
There is no indication of who was responsible, so blaming either muslims or white supremacists at this point only shows a person's prejudices.
My guess would be, a lone nutjob. His reason would be the same reason as the guy in Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc. Mad at the world and wanted to get revenge, wanted to die but not before hurting as many others as possible. If it was a terrorist or white hate group I think it would have been a lot more sophisticated.
Next question would be, did they use timers or detonation cord? I'm sure the FBI knows this by now. If it was detonation cord it would have to be a really long piece, and would have produced smoke for the time it took for the bomber to run away. Smoke pouring out of a trash can would attract a lot of attention. If a timer or cell phone was used, that's a lot more sophisticated, but the timing doesn't seem to have been very exact.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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Does it speak well for us that we permit threads on important subjects to become
all about us.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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http://earthfirstnews.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/the-boston-marathon-and-u-s-drone-attacks-a-tale-of-two-terrorisms/
"The Boston Marathon and U.S. Drone Attacks: a Tale of Two Terrorisms
"Under President Obama, the number of civilian deaths due to drone strikes has increased since the Bush Administration.
To murder several runners using bombs at a sporting event is terrorism.
To murder 175 children using military drones is U.S. policy.
We should accept neither. We should fight against both. ...."
(the article goes on to list the names of 175 children killed by US drones in Pakistan and Yemen.)
Karma is the shits, and it always comes to bite you eventually....
Meanwhile I'm with Werner on this one. False Flag operation. Its my guess that it will be used to justify another war, just give it time. We should waterboard Dick Cheney to find out who is really behind it. (smirk)
So sad for the victims. Welcome to the Kali Yuga.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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Curious that Base knows so much about explosives, but still seems to suggest that high explosives are more powerful.
High explosives tend to be safer to handle than other fuels because they require a high order of detonation.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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I have no idea locker
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
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Agree that expressing a strong opinion as to the identity of the criminal(s) merely shows some combination of bias and a willingness to form opinions based on essentially no evidence.
But I note there's maybe a spec of evidence pointing to ME terrorists, although it's absolutely possible it's "right wing extremists," random whack job, or someone who couldn't meet Boston Marathon's stringent entrance requirements (that would make me a suspect, you have to be fast for your sex/age).
The U.S. government has warned federal agencies in the past that pressure cookers -- air-tight pots used to quickly cook or preserve foods -- have been turned into bombs in parts of the world. A Department of Homeland Security memo called it "a technique commonly taught in Afghan terrorist training camps."
"Typically, these bombs are made by placing TNT or other explosives in a pressure cooker and attaching a blasting cap at the top of the pressure cooker," the memo said.
Such bombs are "very effective," terrorism expert Jeffrey Beatty told CNN. Taliban and al Qaeda militants "use them to make their IED's," he said.
"That doesn't mean it was the Taliban -- other people can read about this," said Beatty, who served in the FBI, CIA, and the military's Delta Force. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/boston-marathon-investigation/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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Curious that Base knows so much about explosives,
curious?
I'm not, as he is a professional scientist with extensive background and training in earth sciences, particularly Geology
that alone suggests he is quite likely to know of the chemistry behind mining and explosives
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ELM !
climber
Near Boston
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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170+ injured and 3 dead. One of the dead was an 8 year old boy. A few of the 170 will never be able to return to the life they had before; they've lost limbs or have severe head injuries.
Start a collection for that. Instead of pissing at each other.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Under President Obama, the number of civilian deaths due to drone strikes has increased since the Bush Administration.
As compared to the hundreds of thousands dead as a result of "direct" bombing collateral damage under BOOO-Sh...t
If the shrub had the technology as available as it is now, you can bet he'd be just as or more prolific.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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Ron, you can't be serious, every home in America has a pressure cooker.
This has redneck written all over it. A jihadist isn't going to ruin a
perfectly good pot.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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Where are the folks that invariably will think this is a conspiracy and the bombs were actually placed and detonated by our own government?
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Apr 16, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
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That's what they mean by "false flag." See above.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 16, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
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Should we be Vigilant?....Look where that got us after 911.
We should step back once,take in the exposure,facts will prevail.
As Mr. Braun once said,"Equipoised through all enjoyment and suffering".
Solemn,Respectfull discussion would be good.
Think about Peace.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Apr 16, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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By now I imagine the metallurgists have determined which Kmart the pressure
cooker was sold at. Even money says it was either Peshawar or Lubbock.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Apr 16, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
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John Stannard said: Does it speak well for us that we permit threads on important subjects to become
all about us.
I think it's okay for this to be about us so long as we're honestly relating our own thoughts and feelings. But to twist such an "important subject" into selfish rants and mud slinging does NOT speak well for any of us, IMO.
JL
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Apr 16, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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As we did when Bin Laden was killed.....
You are non stop Ron. ;-(
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Apr 16, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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I've been "out of the loop", so to speak, on dealing with explosives for close to 50 years. I served 23 months in Vietnam and humped plenty of C4 on my back, and nearly got blown up on my last day over there, by the same stuff, which was pilfered by the VC.
When I just heard of the so called "pressure cooker bomb" today, I thought what the hell is this.
With my past experience, it didn't take me long to see the advantages in using an easily obtained item from any department store.
It is made of metal, with an easily closeable, water tight gasket. It would be easy to pack shrapnel around the explosive for maximum damage. If one looks at the possible choices to encase a bomb, sorry to say, the evil perps
chose a very viable solution, which has been used before.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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Reports say they are celebrating in Coeur d'Alene by radicals, as well as many other counties, and Idaho militia and all the
other radicals are reported to be dancing in the streets handing out candies to passers by..
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 16, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
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Looks like you've attracted quite a few leg humpers on this thread Ron? Might be a record for ya :-)
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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Wow, you all should slow your roll.
You've let this event get the best of you.
Name calling only makes you guys seem super childish, I for one ignore posts from childish name callers.
Grow up, show some respect, and act like adults.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
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And YES there IS collateral damage in WAR, but their purpose IS to kill and maim innocent people while we do everything we can to avoid it.
Well, not always, Ron. Sometimes, we've gone out of our way to do the opposite.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 16, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
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Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood condemns Boston blasts
Source: AP/Salon
CAIRO (AP) — Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood has condemned the Boston Marathon bombings, saying that Islamic law, or Shariah, does not condone violence against civilians.
A Tuesday statement from the Islamist group’s political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party, expressed “condolences to the American people and to the families of victims, with hopes for a quick recovery of those injured.”
The party also says that Islamic law “firmly rejects assaults on civilians and doesn’t accept any means of terrorizing people, regardless of their religion, color, or gender.”
“The sinful assaults in Boston ascertain the necessity of solidarity of the international community in efforts to achieve justice and well-being for all nations and communities, and to ensure that these crimes don’t take place again,” the statement reads. Egypt’s President Mohammed Morsi hails from the Brotherhood.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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The Search Angel who made that first call to my birth mom's sister after I learned my birth mom had passed away last March has an adopted son. She adopted him when she was single. He was raised for most of his life in this area.
His best friend from growing up was in the Marathon, across the street from one of the bombs when it went off.
His father was running, pushing him in his wheelchair, as he has done for every year for well over 25+ years.
My Search Angel's son and his best friend suffer from cerebral palsy, which keeps them confined to their wheel chairs most of the time. He nearly lost his best friend; his best friend's father can not hear as a result of the blast (with hope that this is not permanent).
I've decided to walk the marathon route next year, following the runners. Any and all are welcomed to come along.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 16, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
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I dunno if this is a terrorist or some lone guy with a beef toward mankind, but this sort of thing happens for one reason:
It is FAR harder to get famous for doing something constructive. Far more difficult.
Any idiot can do something destructive and then be remembered by name for a hundred years.
My only cure would be to agree to never print the guy's name after it settles down. Never. Non person. Perhaps start a barrel of sh#t list. Put his name in it as a worthless waste of humanity.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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with ya there BASE.
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shady
Trad climber
hasbeen
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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There ya go Base, I've often thought along those same lines. +1
Refered to in the future as "the perpetrator."period.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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By now I imagine the metallurgists have determined which Kmart the pressure cooker was sold at. Even money says it was either Peshawar or Lubbock.
lol - I stayed in Peshawar a few days and the metallurgy I observed there consisted of hammering on horseshoes and making window bars out of wrought iron. They use open fires with bellows, no kidding.
People have tried to use nmr spectroscopy to match bullet slugs but the technique is not really accepted. It also requires that you have standards from different manufacturers to compare against. I'm sure you're joking but if the pressure cooker was really made over there then the metallurgy would be so bad, you probably could tell it wasnt made in the west.
I went into a gun shop in Peshawar and the gun dealer wanted to sell me something that looked like a cross between a shotgun and a copper pipe. The manufacturer's name was stamped on the side, letter by letter. At the moment I am drawing a blank on which kind of gun it was supposed to be, all I remember is that they spelled it wrong. I pointed this out and everyone became furious at me, just thought I was f*#king with them but it was true. Since then, though, I think they built an M-16 factory in Peshawar. Nearly everyone you see there is armed with an AK-47 or one of the Indian machine guns, and I'm talking about civilians.
The FBI are putting out some details of the Boston bombs but witholding details about the detonator. The reporters are, as ususal, not able to really figure out that this detail is missing and how important it is.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
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unnamed sources infer that the bomber waited 2 hours after the world class muslim marathoners had finished and left to their hotels so only the slower American runners and spectators would be caught in the blasts.
Points toward islamic terrorists.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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unnamed sources infer
That's how false flag operators operate.
they always say "unnamed sources"
It's bullsh!t and people like you fall for this nonsense.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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unnamed sources infer that the bomber waited 2 hours after the world class muslim marathoners had finished and left to their hotels so only the slower American runners and spectators would be caught in the blasts.
OOH ooh ohh
I know who the unamed sorce was!!
RON A!!!
My appologies for the outing
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
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well ok WB. but tell us now how the world news would read if the blast had
caught the lead dude at the finish line?
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Gene
climber
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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unnamed sources infer that the bomber waited 2 hours after the world class muslim marathoners had finished and left to their hotels so only the slower American runners and spectators would be caught in the blasts.
Points toward islamic terrorists.
I infer that the perp was a world class runner who finished in the top 10, had a beer - making him/her non-Islamic - and a shower, and came back to trigger the bombs.
That's what I infer.
g
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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Well, I read enough mud slinging in 2 posts to get a little disgusted.
I heard about this last night. After feeling woozy and unexplainably shitty all day. Shock for sure.
Today, I could barely keep it together. I didn't even realize what was up till my mind drifted to Boston and stayed there a little more firmly. Then I lost it. For about an hour after I got home from work today all I could do was cry.
We are not immune, and the policies of OUR government have MUCH to do with this tragedy. Weather it was internal radicals or some foreign group, our governments negative actions in the world have negative consequences in our homes.
I have never been ok with that.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
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unnamed sources infer that the bomber waited 2 hours after the world class muslim marathoners had finished
wow, and all this time I foolishly thought the true world class marathoners were not from Islamic countries
care to name just a few of these Muslim "world class" runners?
or maybe ask an "unnamed source" to "infer" their names for me?
thanks
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
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The FBI has found this mysterious clue at the crime scene. I wonder what it means?
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:50am PT
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I am skiing in Whistler right now. Since moving out West, I can't afford to run Boston every year anymore. I loved that race. I ran it 16 times in 18 years, had my best and my worst marathons there.
The blast was at 4:09 after the start. Years ago, it would have been the back of the pack. However, Boston now has a two wave start, half the field starting, and the second half starts 30 minutes later. Qualifying standards have been relaxed over the years. I am not as up-to-date on the men's standard. Women now qualify with 3:40 and slower for older age groups. At 4:09, your people having a bad day for the fist pack and runners doing well for the second pack would be finishing. Some charity runners don't need a qulaifying time if they raise a lot of money for certain charities.
When I finish a marathon, I really am spent and can't handle much jostling, climbing curbs, ...... A shock like that would be extraordinarily difficult to handle. I get very cold as I stop running, no fuel left in the body to warm up. A few times, I have visited the medical tent for rehyrdation and hypothermia at the finish. I can't imagine how I could muster the extra strength to deal with that. I am in awe of the doctor that finished the race minutes before, then performed surgery all day/night.
There is no good place for this to happen. There is no justification for hurting spectators and runners on a real international celebration. But I do know that the medical staff - all volunteers - are top notch. The medical team can handle a lot. So many people will live due to the skilled people, armed with medical supplies including lots of patient moving devices located right at the incident. Ambulances are always on standby there. The communications are great. 400 national guard, many recently back from the war zones, were keeping order at the finish line and were all trained in bleeding control and many probably saw IED damage in the war. I am so thankful that all those good people were there to help. An incident like that at the start or mid-course would have resuilted in far more deaths as the people, supplies, and immediate access to transport/hospitals would not have been in place.
Many times, others seem to enjoy misery for Americans. I was comforted to hear the Canadians and folks from around the world skiing at Whistler expressing their sympathies and disbelief. There are many good people in this world. The Canadian television covered the incident like it was very personal for them, too. There were 2,000 Canadians in the race, and many of their families standing at the finish line, too.
I will run Boston again, probably at the next birthday that has a zero. I am a New Englander. I can't wait to get home to a computer that works better, look at all the CT newspapers to see which of my old running team mates and friends were there. There is probably nothing we can do from afar. The need to reach out and help is overwhelming.
I was struck by a little girl's observation that there was so much mass violence now - citing this, Sandy Hook, and the Colorado theater shooting. I had processed this as an act like 911, thinking it had been awhile. She had categorized this much differently. Is that how we cope, by putting events in such different boxes so we don't get overwhelmed?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 17, 2013 - 03:43am PT
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Wow coz. +Infinity man!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:45am PT
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hey there say, seamstress...
thank you for sharing, and, as to the
candaian information--as a new englander, you have
really bared your heart, as well...
hope you get to hear from your friends...
god bless
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:08am PT
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hey there say, lilabiene...
oh my, as to your post about the father-son team, well, my
stamp-fairy (stamp angel) every year is so happy to TELL me
about them! this year she said they were/or had, put up a
statue about them in boston...
recently i TOLD her about your wonderful story, as to
learning who your birthparents were, so she kind of
'know who you are' now, :)
she will be so thrilled to know these are friends of
friends of yours...
later, i will email you more...
thanks for sharing, and prayers for your friends...
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45am PT
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Better outlaw:
Ball bearings
Pressure cookers
And don't try and say u "want them" or u "need them"...
Their dangerous
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:11am PT
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The growing counter-terrorism units of the military and intelligence community will tell you that it's because they have spent a decade keeping Al Qaeda on the run in ...
Pretty weird thing to say when it's the CIA, intelligence community, who really is Al Qaeda and hes been behind the whole Al Qaeda front all along.
You've all been owned .....
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:47am PT
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Well Ron, say what you will about the internet, but I couldn't imagine anyone from any country anywhere wanting to have anything to do with the USA after reading Joe Hedges mean spirited and mindless drivel on this site.
Werner, any proof or just speculation? I know we funded Al Queffer during the last Afgani war to fight off the Soviet Union, and Iran and Syria say the same as you above. Links?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:56am PT
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No you don't want links.
You don't want to be lazy and cheap.
You you need to do deep unbiased research.
it will take you a while.
Not that you go to a couple of places and read a few links and you'll see something.
It takes extensive research not just a cheap couple of links.
Do your research, and it will take you many many months to get a good look to see what's really going on.
But no one wants to do that.
Americans want everything quick and cheap ......
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
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sharperblue
How did you find that?
Good find ......
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sharperblue
Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
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Apr 17, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
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the whole thing stinks. there's no way they could think there weren't a thousand cameras all over that area, and no way to hide. the next 72 hours will be interesting
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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Somebody who claims to have all the inside information doesn't know about 4chan?
Dave you are the one who's making the claims that I have all the inside information.
I didn't make any such claims ......
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sharperblue
Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
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Apr 17, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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i'm not saying any such thing, Coz; i'm just interested that they clearly knew they would be photographed. lots.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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I'm pretty sure the FBI will find the bomber(s) in photos. The more difficult thing will be identifying them. Anyone with pictures (crappy ones whatever.. the more people in them the better) anywhere near that area that day really should e-mail copies to the FBI. The trick will be tracking the bomber to a vehicle, motel or residence. And getting some good facial features if not disguised.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
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And wouldn't a photog have at least one camera out and in use?
That is a very large backpack for just 'hanging out' with on the sidewalk.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
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Reilly it is. It would certainly be considered a possible lead by investigators. But they will be pouring over everything they can get and looking for stuff just like this and then trying to get more pictures too.
It could be anyone. Without evidence everything is on the table. But I'm sure the FBI has found at least pictures of the bomber(s) by now.
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
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What a terrible event, feeling great sympathy for the victims. However my attention span just isn't there for violence and strident rhetoric anymore as a point of focus. I hope they find the bastards and put'em away.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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Oh boy this is predictable yet slightly entertaining.
Left Wing Know It All - Conclusion: Bombs placed by Texan right wing nut job
Right Wing Know It All - Conclusion: Bombs placed by Obama or Muslims
Let go of your pre conceived ideologies and let common sense prevail. America would be a better place if folks used common sense. Regardless, those on the far right or left will refuse to believe what our government tells us. Same old story.......blah blah blah
Have fun with this...I am going to be more productive today and go climbing.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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BREAKING NEWS
Source tells CNN's John King that Boston authorities believe they have identified a suspect in bombings.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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First, a real photog never puts his camera away. That guarantees you will
miss the money shot. If he was there just to shoot the elites he would have
left to get his shots to his editor/blog/whatever and not stuck around for
two hours to wander around aimlessly unless he was getting ambience and
crowd shots, which he clearly wasn't after.
Second, a 300mm lens would be useless unless you had credentials to be on
the finish line shooting straight down the street. Shooting from the crowd
at an angle to the runners would be useless. An 80-200 would be all you
need from the sidewalk.
Third, real photog backbacks are more sleek with all the gear arranged in
one plane so that you open the back flap and it is all there for quick access.
That bulgeing thing that guy has is no photog's backpack.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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Logical inferences are not assumptions. It just means that dood has some
'splainin' to do as a 'person of interest'.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
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Arrest has been made. 2 sources.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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When I was growing up, "domestic terrorism" was when we kicked potatoes into tail pipes.
It was called "conspiracy to commit domestic terrorism" when we did it with friends.
Did I get a hit?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
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So, Inspector Hedge, you saying you wouldn't want to talk to that guy?
You would only follow up leads derived from tea leaf readings?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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Arrest has been made. 2 sources.
Damn, they're good, if they're right. What is that, like 34 hours?
Holy buckets.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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Reuters: "CNN is saying a suspect is in custody. NBC is saying there is no suspect in custody.
Reuters has not yet confirmed either report."
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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Yes they are. It's a basic type of investigation with thousands of witnesses and massive amounts of photo/video evidence. Nearly unlimited resources and manpower.
As I said a page back I would have been surprised if the FBI didnt have a good idea by now.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
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It means that it would be wise and prudent for law enforcement to identify and question him.
It does NOT mean that "he has some 'splainin' to do."
The law doesn't compel him to prove his innocence just because he owns an ordinary backpack.
Dave is confusing legal rights with actions that justifiably arouse suspicion and may lead to further investigation. He's certainly correct that a suspect has no compulsion to prove innocence, but it doesn't follow that investigators need to ignore a refusal to cooperate.
Logic is fun!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Personally I would prefer that arrests and information on the investigation would not be reported so quickly. If more than one person is involved I would gladly sacrifice my curiosity in order to allow those involved remain oblivious to the progress of the efforts to get them.
It is best for the investigation if they have time to surveil or capture unsuspecting communications and or turn suspects against their possible conspirators.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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While I find no humor in the event in Boston, the banter present on this thread is AWESOME!
When the announcement of the suspect is made, I see this thread taking the following turns:
1) Lefty's - Poor muslim probably was tortured/ America had it coming or I told you it was a right wing GUN NUT. Obama is my savior/ Bush is the devil, See I am right and better/smarter than you. Time to ban pressure cookers or maybe just tax the S*** out of them.
2) Righty's - Told you it was one of those godless sand NI*@*!#* . We need to nuke those satanic losers. We are due for a new WAR. See bombs kill too, not guns OR if it is a domestic suspect, he must not have received the proper mental care. Our system is failing. Obama is the devil. Heck, the suspect is probably a secret operative working for Obama.
Jeez, I could go on an on but I will let you guys take it from here.
By the way COZ, I was not referring to you in my previous post.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
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Richard Jewell also comes to mind when the FBI announces they have a suspect.
True story, I was there when that bomb went off. It was a free outdoor concert, my college was only about 1.5mi away, so a group of about 8 of us went to the show before heading out to the bars. After an hour or so the band went on set break, so we decided to head back home to do bong loads. Got almost to the cars when a muffled boom and then endless sirens. We must have passed a dozen cops/ambulance/fire trucks, got home and turned on CNN to find out WTF.
Strange times in the ATL right after that. That poor dude Jewell was just a rent a cop who happened to be there. I'll always remember that the cops tore his mother's house apart in a search and apparently messed up here tupperware or something. Then they finally caught Rudolph, the "Army of God" anti-abortion, anti-gay fanatic who actually did it (and bombed gay night clubs and abortion clinics prior to that) many years later.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
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"Would it not make sense to make the announcement after they arrest the guy?"
The Frisco paper is saying someone has been arrested, and he'll be "in court in Boston", but failed to say "when".
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Damn, they're good, if they're right. What is that, like 34 hours?
either that or Werner is right.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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either that or Werner is right.
Well if Werner is right, then why pull all these strings? Why not just march us all off to the meat factory hip hip?
I guess the corrupt invisible elite aristocrats that run the world need all us little ants?
If they actually control everything, then why don't they just announce that they're in charge and put us all in our place?
You mean, if they announced it we could take control back from them?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 17, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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Ron, unfortunately everything seems to become a lefty/righty thing these days. I recall seeing some politicians blaming the Boston events and response to the events on the sequester. Boy...we really have some idiot elected officials. Exploiting a bomb at a marathon for political advantage is sad.
Yes, my response is a bit dramatic but not far off from stuff I see on the taco. Also, I am a bit pissy today as it keeps snowing in Colorado. I have an afternoon free and the snow is pounding outside my office window.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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The same paper that reported "A suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings was taken into custody Wednesday in a breakthrough that came less than 48 hours after the deadly attack", is now saying the opposite is true.
I guess it's more important to those in the news biz to be first, rather than right.
Any report that's missing any of the "W"s ( who, where, what, when, why, how, etc ) is probably wrong.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 17, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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I think if folks just looked at credible news sources there would be a lot less confusion- many real sources didn't put up any erroneous arrest info in the first place. Blogs, tweets and random websites are not news.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 17, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
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I heard it was an inside job to give the govt. a reason to take away are bombs.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
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* Reuters - witnesses confirm that Boston police have cleared the Boston courthouse, ordering court staff, attorneys, and media to clear the building.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 17, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
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* Reuters - witnesses confirm that Boston police have cleared the Boston courthouse, ordering court staff, attorneys, and media to clear the building.
Another paid day or two off.
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sharperblue
Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
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Apr 17, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
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MEMRI? HAhahahaha! oh - please stop - my side hurts. Please, please do not start by sending links to the propaganda arm of the hyper-right. Just refer us directly to Cheney, Bibi, and Wolfowitz' PR people next time
Do a little research on the sources before linking them pls - not even going to try and be nice about slapping that sh*t down
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 17, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
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Bagels are next
PHOENIX, Ariz. - A suspicious package sent to Arizona Representative Kyrsten Sinema's office turned out to be bagels, a source tells 9Wants To Know.
The quick response by her staff came after a scary situation at Arizona Senator Jeff Flake's office.
Wednesday morning, two letters arrived at Flake's office that had an oily substance on it. Authorities in Phoenix do not believe they contained anything toxic.
Two of Flake's staffers and a police officer were taken to the hospital Wednesday morning as a precaution.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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I think, Dean, the world is getting brighter and brighter. In many corners of the world (india, pakistan, Ireland) attacks like this are not only regular, but not even news-worthy.
Indeed, where are the modern Halocausts? Where are our genocides, our inquisition, our black plague? There are no end times, because those that would do such horrible things as attempt to wipe out a race or creed are (for the most part) NOT in control of first-world nation armies. Only sixty years ago the 'jihadists' and 'anarchists' were called the Axis...
A lot of speculation on what it is, but only speculation.
A response I felt most compelling was that by Patton Oswalt.
"Boston. F*#king horrible.
I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."
But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.
But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness.
But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago.
So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Apr 17, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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The daunting reality of our times is this....we live in a world that grows more and more evil by the day. These things were foretold by the prophets of old....that the days would grow darker.....and we are seeing it in our lifetime.
Wow. Not to minimize the event itself but the carnage is pretty small compared to what life usually doles out on a daily basis. Did the prophets mention thousands of people being killed by drunk drivers per year or just the three people in this one situation.
Terrorism is bad and is done by people who are scumbags but let's not suggest that this is an end-of-the-world event because three people died. Didn't a thousand people die a few days ago in Syria? We've got is easy compared to them.
Dave
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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I HOPE it wasnt an american..
So we can go to war?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
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According to my value system, all human life is precious
Different yardsticks, I guess...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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I don't think anyone is arguing that people AREN'T dying and suffering day in, day out, but with A) homogenization of communication and B) transparancy of government, culture and religion it is finding new avenues.
We are trading deaths from rats and the catholic church for drone strikes, small bombs and school shootings.
If you ask me, this is a better time to be alive. We have the most human rights, the most science, the most medicine in the history of the world. Unfortunately, not everyone has access to those things - but odds are they haven't before, either.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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So what happened to the news conference that CNN said would happen at 1700 Eastern?
More disinformation?
The other sobering thing is the stress these 140 odd injuries placed on
the five major hospitals.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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Uhm, the world more evil now? Wow, not a chance.
An estimated 3 MILLION women were murdered during the inquisition for being witches when they were just healers. All in the name of Christianity. And that is just one, long, really evil period of history that I can recall right now.
Rumor (which I never take for fact)I heard is that Westboro is being looked at HARD. And already overwhelming evidence of a cover up. I would actually be surprised if this came from out of country.
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nah000
Mountain climber
canuckistan
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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"The daunting reality of our times is this....we live in a world that grows more and more evil by the day. "
the statement above has virtually no merit if the basis for judgement is objectively based.
decreasing number of casualties due to war:
a number of metrics from the millennium-project.com [an ngo born out of the smithsonian, un, and a few other organizations]:
and looking more deeply into history [albeit less comprehensively and more anecdotally] we are reminded that we've always been a violent ape:
now obviously everything isn't perfectly rosy:
and global terrorism as a strategy of war is on the rise. but within the context of total violence it is frankly a blip. to conclude from this singular metric that the world is becoming more and more evil and the prophets are right is incredibly myopic.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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facts are stupid things
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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and statistics can be manipulated to say anything.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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60% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
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I call them cartoons. They would be quite humorous if the manipulation behind them, on either side, were altruistic. The media should back off this Boston story a bit and let law enforcement do it's job.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
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When Khan's army finally took Bagdad he piled all the mens heads from the city outside the gate of the city in a giant pile. This happened a long time ago.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
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An estimated 3 MILLION women were murdered during the inquisition
Oh really?
The Catholics kept very good records, some of which the originals still exist.
Between 1540 and 1746 there were around 88,000 trials and the confirmed number of executions less than 1500.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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That was a really strange leap?
What does a mythical 3 million, (which would have been a huge proportion of the population of Europe at the time) have to do with WWII?
History is episodic and repetitive.
Night always follows day.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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the confirmed number of executions less than 1500.
Oh, okay, that's cool, then. lol.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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Just teasin' :)
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Gene
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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Can someone remind me what this thread is about?
Thanks,
g
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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it is an ever-evolving conversation.
If you came here for hard-hitting journalism...
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Gene
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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I know. I know. I was told upthread.
Supertopo: the number one name in internet news and random emotional speculation.
Carry on.
g
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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Great link, thanks TGT
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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Doesn't seem like an al Qaeda type of attack, unless they have changed their modus operandi
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
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When I saw the first video of the incident I kinda wondered where these guys came from so quickly and what they were doing there.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
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When I was a kid I had the Anarchists Cookbook. I think anyone motivated will always find a way to do something terrible.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
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I knew the bomber would be some f*#ked up white dude. Send em back where they came from, the extremist as#@&%es!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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I knew the bomber would be some f*#ked up white dude
good call
Ron Anderson is going with the Middle East terrorist thing
I thought I would just wait until they arrest someone to find out
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
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I thought I would just wait until they convict someone to find out
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Good idea Norton. Let's all take a deep breath and step back. Whoever it is, they are still terrorist dogs, regardless of source or ideology.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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They could well be Dr. But does it alter the fact that they performed a terrorist action? Should there source be considered at sentencing, or should they die whatever ideology or twisted reasoning?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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All the back channel intel community sites have been unusually quiet about the Boston event.
Normally they're all over about this stuff.
So it's more likely it's a home grown event ......???
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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We were lied to about Benghazi already.
and Iraq.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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TGT, dodgin' left and right.
edit - holy schitt this guy's bad ass!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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He looks a lot to me like my manager making it happen and stayin' alive. Lynnie
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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More evil or less these days? I don't know. The world, since recorded time, has been a place of challenge. The challenge, how does one live? Do I love or do I hate? Do I help another make a better place on this planet or do I do the best for my own self.
My best friend jesus challenged every person to love each person they encounter as much as they love themselves. If we all did this on our planet harmony would finally exist. lynnie
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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Yeah i hear you Brennan, i followed it with disgust and horror that Clinton didn't intervene. Here on this forum i only see left handed fingers pointing hatefully towards their own right hands.You know, it used to be known as the United States ,this side of your border.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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jghedge,
If you would take a couple of minutes and read what jesus said in Matthew 5,6 and 7 you would get a glimpse into what his philosophy is for living life. He cautions against greed, prejudice, judging each other and hatred. Never met a wingnut that lived out these words. Peace, lynnie
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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Jesus was a rad dude. If you followed his teachings, you wouldn't be blowing up your brothers and sisters.
The Obama administration has done plenty of terrible, terrible things (and will continue to do so). I'm not on any 'side' TGT, so if you want to complain about the government I'll ALWAYS be 'with' you :)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
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jghedge, so you see that the wingnuts don't know or practice the simple words of jesus, right? They are people that create their own lifeology...not theology.
If you base your beliefs on supposition, Dude, you need to get to the roots and dig, learn and then live. I challenge you to live each day without greed, hate, envy, judging others (in traffic) and selfishness. When have yo consistently lived putting others first? Just asking the questions I ask myself each morning when I wake up and thank God for this one day I have been given. Peace and Joy, L.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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So ...... ?
Anyone know "Who Dun IT" yet?
Joe thinks it's a wing nut?
Is it a metric wingnut or an S.A.E wingnut?
Me .... I already know who did it.
I know everything ..... :-)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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I for one am exceedingly happy to be alive at this time in history. I know I am fortunate to be born where I was in a country where I did not have to worry about a war in my town or most diseases or starving. Where I learned to read and had access to any information I wanted. I am very fortunate that I value such things and can understand them.
I see that around the world these blessings are becoming more common. That progress has been happening for centuries. I even suspect that in many places it is more common than here in America... which is still pretty damn good.
I grew up during the cold war. A time when you knew that civilization could end within the hour.
Nothing I see today scares me. It is minor compared to so many of histories atrocities. I see a world where people think this is a big deal simply because they have it so good that they have rarely considered what a really big deal would be like.
Be well be happy and do good.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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Thanks ClimbSki2 for providing some much needed perspective.You would think we are all sitting on a powder keg from reading some of these posts.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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You would think we are all sitting on a powder keg from reading some of these posts.
We are sitting on a powder keg.
I see the fuse .....
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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well then put it out..
jeeez
And while you are at it dump out the powder fill it with beer and stash it in the creek.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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Yeah, good point WB, but we don't need to light it ourselves.It would be an outcome that perps of this little terror would like to see.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
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[Persecuting Christians]Everybody's doing it these days.
Ya know the really funny part? The Israelis, the fundies bestest friends, may be the worst! George Habash, founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and foremost proponent of the use of terror, was a Christian! As are many Palestinian Arabs. All being persecuted by Israel.
You can't make this stuff up!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
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I see why wars are begun...I can't even keep up (and very seriously laughing) whilst I try to figure the last couple of posts.
I need to take out the (very real and smelly)trash. Back later Dudettes and Dudes. Cheers, (as the man, JB, would say.) lynnie
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
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Well Brennan, all i can say is that sometimes you are an unwilling participant but at the end of the day it's a damn sight better to be a Canadian than a 1990's Rwandan.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 17, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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jghedge, you make no sense. Dude, you can't live on both sides of the debate. Or, I guess you can. But life will tell out.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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Brennan can you bait us a "Bigfoot". I'll shoot and Ron will stuff. He will be the first taxidermist in these parts to have a bonafide Bigfoot mount. Wow that will look awesome on his "My Art of Death" thread.HeHEHe
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:29am PT
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jghedge, thinking you like to stir the pot......better to head out into the wilderness and find a new path, a new view. Cheers,:D
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nah000
Mountain climber
canuckistan
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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rubbing salt in the wounds:
initial reports are saying 60 dead and 100 injured in a fertilizer plant fire and explosion near waco, texas just a couple of hours ago. an eyewitness vid of the explosion:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
EDIT: keep your volume low if you play the video
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:34am PT
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jghedge writes:
"Like I said, no civil rights advance was ever made by tolerating intolerance."
What you see as "intolerance" is simply a differemce of opinion. Reasonable people can hold opposing opinions.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:43am PT
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Who's a racist?
Please advise.
I simply pointed out that reasonable people can hold opposing opinions. You seem to disagree.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:50am PT
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jghedge writes ( in response to the query "Who's a racist?" ) :
"Not talking about anyone in particular"
So, some nebulous *racist* you create in your own immagination, you refuse to tolerate. OK.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:07am PT
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Who's the racist? Anybody on here? Where, besides your own immagination, does it exist to the extent that it conjures up the worst in people - intolerance?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:08am PT
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This atrocity signals the beginning of the new war within our borders.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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OK. Who tolerates racism? Are you somehow special in your un-acceptance of racism - wherever it exists?
Or is un-acceptance of racism more of a universal trait among Americans?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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chaz, think jghedge is indeed a troll. Can't have a clear minded conversation with one imho. night, L.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:17am PT
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Who's the racist?
Please advise.
There's gotta be at least one person. Isn't there?
Or does all the racism exist only in your immagination?
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:19am PT
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We all see what we want to see or what we fear.
I'm standing on the sidelines, waiting for real evidence to some out. You didn't need to be hit by the shrapnel to be affected. The personal stories of family and friends is just being told.
Yes, we are very lucky in this country and perhaps the general human condition is improving. These situations can prompt us to examine again what our core beliefs and tactics are for living. Eye for an eye - data suggests that leads to constant misery. Head in the sand - that makes you an easy target. Finding the guilty and putting them away - may lead to fewer crimes but isn't free so choose wisely. Lots of publicity for perpetrators - exactly what they want. I'd rather focus on the acts of heroism and kindness. Pollyanna here would like to see people aspire to be that hero or kind stranger.
My mom ran a daycare center, and we learned a lot from that experience. If you want to eliminate noxious behavior, the fastest method is to ignore it. Even kids who are not well will stop a behavior if it isn't working for them. Attention - positive or negative - is a type of reward. The sick indidual(s) who did this are loving the publicity.
The sooner we get back to normal, the better. I have had enough of the images and fight to break the news first. I'm OK with asking the public for help and leads. After an arrest is made, we need to know that, and we need the fresh air of a publoic trial. But dwelling on this feeds the sickness.
I'm still hungry for the news of friends who are fighting for their lives and limbs.
BTW - national guard and police at the finish of the Boston Marathon is completely normal, predates 911 by decades. Anyone who has run through Wellesley and come down Bolyston Street has experienced the huge crowds which make Boston so special. The National Guard has kept order over the last half mile as long as I ran there, going back to the 80's The crowd is filled with little kids that want to slap your hand, give you an orange, hand you ice or water. All the familes want to see Dad, Daughter, Husband going over the finish line. Without the huge presence of the officials and the barriers, it would be impossible to negotiate that area unobstructed. Military in those pictures - completely normal and expected. You'll see that at all the major races. The Marine Corp Marathon, very popular, boasts 10,000 marines on the course to take care of you. The National Guard, and our military, has duties beyond fighting. I am grateful they were there.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:20am PT
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jghedge writes:
"Hahahahaha "Is bank robbery wrong?' "Who's the bank robber?"
Hell, I can name several bank robbers.
Name me a few racists. Or just one.
Or do they exist only in your immagination?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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So, where's this "racism" ? Can you name anyone responsible? Or does it exist only in your immagination?
I'm giving you a chance to OUT THESE PEOPLE ( if they exist outside your immagination ), and you are reluctant to take me up on it. Makes me wonder.
I don't like racists anymore than you do. And if there are any in our midst, I'd like to see them leave. Please tell me who they are. That is, if they exist outside your immagination.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 18, 2013 - 09:39am PT
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Name me a few racists. Or just one.
David Duke.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 18, 2013 - 09:54am PT
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"Sounds like they nabbed the guy who was sending the Ricin letters to our President."
"Turns out he's a middle-aged white guy from Mississippi...."
QITNL, I love how you conveniently left out the fact that he also sent one to a "white" Republican senator.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 18, 2013 - 10:06am PT
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Pheww, (Wiping sweat from brow) they're brown people.
If that's how your feeling you may me a racist.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 18, 2013 - 10:10am PT
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"His diatribes often revolved around conspiracy theories".
Sounds like a lot of regulars here.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 18, 2013 - 10:18am PT
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Idle speculation can harm real people. Lets not let the bomber(s) win by turning us against ourselves. Those two gentleman in TGTs post are likely innocent yet their lives are now in chaos. Two more victims of the real bomber(s).
---- FROM REDDIT
The two Males that the media have claimed the FBI are looking for are local guys and appear to be innocent. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE ON THEM, ESPECIALLY LINKS TO NEWS SITES THAT IDENTIFIES THEM. (self.findbostonbombers)
submitted 9 hours ago* by oops777[M]
This is what you call a witch hunt media, for god sake.
The two males we're talking about are the one in a black jumper/hoody with a white hat, and his friend in a blue track jacket. There are multiple news sites releasing their information and/or Facebook pages, this is disgusting and will not be tolerated here, no links to these stories are allowed.
Please report any posts regarding personal information on these two, they will be removed and the user will be permanently banned. All previous links to these two are being removed.
We are not waiting for them to be officially cleared, one of the men has contacted the police to try and clear his name. Please understand that the FBI now knows who they are, so our posts now have no purpose. If the situation changes then people can make new posts. It's not our job to keep their information out there, people are innocent until proven guilty - not the other way around.
[–]alxrymnd914 136 points 9 hours ago
Blue track suit guy's facebook info got out. I won't post it but this guy is not the bomber. His latest facebook post shows him freaking out that he is on tv as the bomber. He said he was going to court to say he didnt do it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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President Barack Obama just delivered an incredibly powerful speech at the memorial service in Boston.
Anyone who hasn't seen it, I challenge you to watch it. Watch it and be proud of the man we elected president of this great country. Watch it and believe that he is another in a long line of great Americans. Watch it and understand that he is carrying on great traditions of protecting and lifting up his fellow citizens. Watch it and see a man that the world looks up to.
Thank you Mr. President.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
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Posting a picture of a guy and saying he is the bomber is straight up libel- per se as they say.. I hope he files lawsuits and crushes the defendants.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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Go ahead joe, put your boxing gloves and pick a fight with Lynne. What a man you must be. I bet your father would be proud you stand up against widows that never harmed a soul.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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I'm not an Obama fan, but his remarks were very poignant.
This is a time to be careful and not compound injustices by leaping to conclusions based on our biases and not based on evidence.
58 still hospitalized. Many still have a long road ahead of them.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 18, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
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Remember everyone innocent until proven guilty... Information is good, accusations just a projection.
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sharperblue
Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
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Well I for one apologize for adding to the fire - and for posting the first link to the Reddit crowd sourcing images; sloppy and bad form. I admit to such a profound mistrust and disillusionment in our own legal system that I am always over eager to praise 'work-around' solutions to our lack of any sense of justice by the usual channels: The Ohio rape cases that the authorities chose to ignore for fear of damaging the home team and as checked by Anonymous, for example, not to mention the massive bundle of well-funded lies that led to Iraq. Anyway, enough with the excuses. carry on
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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Hedge
Mello out dude and quit picking on Lynn.
Otherwise me and Coz will be coming down to your place and kick your ass ....
Watch out man, we know some kung foo moves ..... :-)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 18, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Well, not quite true Gdavis. Your President is choosing who to drone strike/kill on a weekly basis with no due process.
The U.S. Government in the middle east has never been a shining example of my advice (all the more reason to GTFO of there).
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 18, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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No, the US President is not "deciding" who to drone kill
the CIA, who only vaguely reports to both Congress and the President decides who to kill
and the CIA does NOT give individual justification for each killing to ANYBODY
unless ordered to by a Congressional Oversite Committee
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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Check in later Ron.
I'll update all important new news from my crystal ball that knows everything ...... :-)
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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It's mostly because Hedge is a Dick. At least he's fair. He's a dick to everyone equally. He needs some Valiums.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 18, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
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Anyone who calls our President "Barry" (and isn't a close personal friend) is a racist, in my book. Bonus points if they are old, wrinkly and white.
But hey, free speech, man - call him "Barry" all you want.
Does that make those who called George W. Bush "Shrub" on this forum racist white-haters? You prove too much.
John
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Gene
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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If you are interested in ews about the bombing.........
Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Boston Field Office Richard DesLauriers, United States Attorney Carmen Ortiz, and FBI JTTF law enforcement partners will hold a press briefing today, April 18, regarding the Boston Marathon investigation, at 5:00 p.m. at The Sheraton Hotel, 39 Dalton Street, Third Floor, Commonwealth Ballroom, Boston.
Valid media credentials are required for admittance.
and....
Federal law enforcement sources told ABC News they are no longer seeking information about Barhoun [blue jacket guy] or the other man in the photo published in the Post.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/teen-boston-marathon-bomber/story?id=18990057#.UXBAY7WcdXa
g
EDIT: Blue Jacket Guy has a hell of a topic for his college admission essay, ya think?
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Gene
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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There have been two episodes of anti-Muslim attacks, one in Malden, and one in New York, according to the Council on American-Islamic Relations. In a statement, the council said a mother of Middle Eastern heritage wearing an Islamic headscarf, or hijab, was assaulted Wednesday morning in Malden by a white male shouting anti-Muslim slurs.
The woman told council officials the attack occurred when she was walking with another Muslim woman also wearing hijab, while both were pushing baby strollers. She said the alleged attacker shouted obscenities and "Muslims, you are terrorists," and struck her forcefully on the shoulder. The man, who appeared to be in his 30s, also reportedly made statements blaming Muslims for the Boston Marathon bombings, according to the council.
Local police were on the scene within minutes after the woman called 911 on her cell phone. "We thank the Malden Police Department for its swift and professional response to this incident and urge national law enforcement authorities to be aware of the potential for other such attacks," said Ibrahim Hooper, council national communications director. "American Muslims, along with all other Americans, are grieving the tragic deaths in Boston. Hate incidents are troubling, but have thankfully been isolated."
In a second incident after the bombings, a Bangladeshi man was beaten in New York by attackers who called him "a (obscenity) Arab," the council statement said. The victim was punched in the head and body, resulting in a dislocated shoulder. http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square
Stupid Americans.
g
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 18, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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This Barry thing has been going on for years
first time i hear him named barry.
i use the word "dick head" to describe obama.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 18, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
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If you disagree with the President's policies, this is a simple suggestion on how to build a better argument. I don't agree with many of his policies myself, but as far as moderate Republicans go, he's probably as good as we're gonna get.
If I were trying to make a cogent point regarding President Bush, the same rule applies, it would be a mistake to call him Shrub. I don't find anything racist in that term, but it's demeaning to plants. I'd ask the author of that argument "what do you have against plants?" Maybe a bad bushwhacking experience in their youth.
I completely agree, which is why I try to refrain from gratuitous insults generally. It's poor advocacy. I think we resort to the "racist" argument too easily, however, which prompted my response on a thread I otherwise wouldn't touch -- well, except to defend Lynne, except I think she doesn't need my defense.
Now as for unpleasant bushwhacking experiences, I wish they were confined to my youth. I silently cheered when the fire burned all that awful brush at the base of the southwest face of Half Dome.
John
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 18, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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the LL bashing is soo lame
I gotta think this guy hedge needs to be hacked by the medusa!
cozzy take care of that rabbid dog friend of yours.
LLLL lives life to her fullest.
i have lots of respect for lynn.
her husband was also quite the pyro from what i've been told :)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 18, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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The woman told council officials the attack occurred when she was walking with another Muslim woman also wearing hijab, while both were pushing baby strollers. She said the alleged attacker shouted obscenities and "Muslims, you are terrorists," and struck her forcefully on the shoulder. The man, who appeared to be in his 30s, also reportedly made statements blaming Muslims for the Boston Marathon bombings, according to the council.
You have to admire that. It takes a real man to punch a couple of women with baby strollers. Team America! F*#k yeah!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 18, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
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This Barry thing has been going on for years
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 18, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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regarding the Post plastering the picture of those guys on their front page:
how would you feel if you were one of them, and completely innocent
think they have any legal grounds for irresponsible liable journalism?
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Gene
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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think they have any legal grounds for irresponsible liable journalism?
No. Those as#@&%es at the NYP only said the Feds wanted to talk to those two. I’m sure that based on the photos we saw of them on that link posted earlier that someone in the Fed universe thought about giving them a call and so informed the NYP.
Irresponsible – absolutely. Despicable – you bet. Typical of Murdoch – without question.
Actionable by the men pictured? Nope. Sorry.
g
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 18, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
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think they have any legal grounds for irresponsible liable journalism?
I don't know, what's "liable journalism"?
If you mean "libel," hard to say, go through the elements that make up that tort, carefully consider 1st Amendment defenses, and let's hear your analysis.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 18, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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You look at those photos, there seems to be no effort to hide or conceal their faces, I don't get it. They have to know they will be photographed. Esp, the guy with the white hat. Like he wants the world to see his face.
The only scenario I can come up with, they thought they were suicide bombers. They never expected to get away. I'd first thought they had to have headed immediately to the airport like the Times Square bomber.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Apr 18, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
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The Thread Author is either out climbing or isn't sure about how to respond since the photos have been released. Somehow, I'll bet it would be different if those guys looked foreign. They don't look like Saudi's, or do they? I can't tell a person's race very well - all seem the same to me.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
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I read an article at some point over the last several days that really made me think. On Monday, I was at work when the bombs went off, and I continued to work because I need to earn my living. It was a frightening 45 minutes or so before I could confirm the muppet and my stepmom were safe, and only hours later that I was finally able to confirm friends and family were all safe. I felt so grateful. I drove out of the city to pick up the muppet, give her a giant bear hug and head home to spend some quality time together.
The article was about how regular, everyday people in Boston rose to the occasion, and gave of their hearts, their homes, their blood, their time, their shoulders, their food and water, their blankets, their extra beds and sofas, their arms in hugs, their last ounce of energy to help after running 26 miles...because that's what Bostonians do. It doesn't take a second thought.
As I read the article, I thought to myself, but what did I do? (Read: crickets.)
I felt ashamed of myself. I certainly hadn't risen to the occasion. I had primarily been concerned with my immediate circle. Some Bostonian I was.
The muppet's babysitter is an international student in her early 20s studying English here in Boston, and I knew that she had planned to be at the marathon with some friends from school and her teacher. I sent her a text soon after I heard about the bombs going off, and was very relieved that she was okay. It wasn't until she came over last night to spend some time playing with the muppet that I realized she had been horribly shaken up and really needed to talk. As it turns out, they had spent most of the day at the finish line, but about 10 minutes before the bombs went off, they decided that hunger was overtaking them and they started to walk to find something to eat. The bombs went off when they were at a food court about a block away. She was so scared, she said, people came running inside covered with blood, crying and trying to find places to hide. They were crawling under tables, packing into restrooms, desperately trying to find someplace safe.
I told her that I was so sorry that this was now the "experience" that she would remember above everything else about her time in the U.S. I tried to explain that these things are random, and that Boston is a very special city, especially in the way it responds to challenges. The people here are good and decent, and they have very big hearts. I understood what it was like to be so far from home faced with unexpected and challenging circumstances. All the while I was trying to find a way to help her to feel safe again, and maybe even start to heal, if only a little bit.
It finally dawned on me that here was something I could do. I researched the interfaith service President and Mrs. Obama were scheduled to attend in Boston this morning, and as luck would have it, it was open to the public. We studied the public transportation schedules, and it would take the perfect timing of 3 buses to get her to the service, but with only a half hour to spare before tickets would be handed out. That sounded like an awful ordeal to me, so the muppet and I got up at the crack of dawn this morning and drove her babysitter and her friends to the church. The service, I thought, as well as the once in a lifetime opportunity to hear the President speak, would be a spiritually healing experience, as well as a chance to see how Bostonians really come together.
When we saw them briefly this evening, all three girls were smiling. The experience was amazing, they said, and really beautiful. The fear that was so apparent in their eyes this morning was gone. And I was so happy that I had been able to help, in however small of a way. In the worst of circumstances, there are always opportunities to learn and grow...
I listened to President Obama's speech when I got home tonight. It was heartfelt, spiritually uplifting and strong. Well worth a listen.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 18, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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Thankyou for this share Lila.
I get teary eyed easy..sniff
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 18, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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The local paper had a report from a squamish runner in the paper this week.
Boston runners were warned: Squamish man
Heiliger, 'stunned' by explosions, was back at hotel when marathon blasts occurred. Runners getting set to take part in the Boston Marathon were warned beforehand that they were going to die, said a Squamish resident who took part in the race.
Three people were killed and more than 140 were injured when two bombs exploded near the finish line of the famed 42.2-kilometre running event on Monday (April 15).
Mike Heiliger, 59, said a woman holding several bags was telling runners who were picking up their pre-race packages in downtown Boston on Saturday (April 13) that they were going to die if they participated in the event.
“I was downtown on Saturday and you know, you see these people on the street and think it's just some nutbar,” he told The Chief from his Boston hotel on Monday. “It was a little creepy because you can identify who the runners are and I heard her say to this runner two feet away from me that, 'If you run tomorrow you're going to die.'”
At the time, Heiliger said he thought about telling the woman that the race was Monday, but decided not to correct her.
http://www.squamishchief.com/article/20130415/SQUAMISH0101/130419985/-1/squamish0101/boston-runners-were-warned-squamish-man&template=JQMArticle
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 18, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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I had primarily been concerned with my immediate circle.
That's as it should be.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 18, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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So ....
They had a controlled explosion opposite the library by bomb squad as a drill at the same time as the Marathon Bombing.
Weird ......
These guys don't look like anything to do with Boston Police?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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Yes.
Is Herr Braun actually St. Stephen?
As the attorneys love to say (almost as popular as "knew or should have known"):
Stephen prosper in his time
Well he may and he may decline
Did it matter? does it now?
Stephen would answer if he only knew how
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane ~:~
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:34am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
edit: OOPS, posted ^ this to the wrong thread. but, its a chill song (& this thread needs ta chill sum, imho) ... so, wudevah!!
LilaBiene - "...in however small a way." -- it's the little things that often make the most difference (make our lives richer and better). thnx!!
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:34am PT
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Lila - loved your post. The service was a great idea for them.It is disturbing to see total generalizations blasting Americans for awful acts against Muslims. Excuse me - I'm American, I'm more to the right of center, but I am not prejudging who the culprits are or harassing any person based on their religion or ethnicity. Save blame for the perpetrators of those acts. Here's some news for you - Muslims get haraassed by various groups. And some are intolerant of Muslims from different sects than their own. Nothing is gained by perpetuating discrimination and fanning the flames. Bigots are no more a homogeneous group than any other "kind" of person.
While I admire your ardent defense of people who didn't deserve the treatment they received, that good is undone by disparaging an entire nation as bigots.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:06am PT
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Also same day as Boston marathon bombings.
At least 55 people were killed in Iraq today in a string of coordinated bombings and other attacks. Dozens of others were wounded.
Explosions rang out from Baghdad and Fallujah to Kirkuk and Tikrit.
The force of the blasts reduced city blocks to rubble, caused chaos in the streets and left bystanders bewildered.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:34am PT
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What else is happening that the journalists aren't focusing on?
Late Thursday night, as we reported last week, the Senate gutted the disclosure requirements by approving S.716, an act amending the requirements of the 2011 law. The House followed suit the next day, and the president signed the bill minutes ago.
The bill doesn't just eliminate a controversial requirement that personal financial disclosures of tens of thousands of high level federal employees be made publicly accessible online. It also reverses two critical components of the original STOCK act: mandatory electronic filing of PFDs by the president, his cabinet and members of Congress, and the creation of a publicly accessible database.
The elements of the STOCK Act that were removed include:
Creation of searchable, sortable disclosure of the information contained in reports even for Congress, the president, vice president, the president’s cabinet and congressional candidates.
Required electronic filing for Congress, the president, vice president, the president’s cabinet and congressional candidates, as well as high-level executive and congressional branch employees. Even images of the staffers' filings will not be available for viewing on the web.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2013/04/action-alert-stock-act-reversal-signed.html
Who says nothing ever gets done in Washington? Swiftly and without fanfare, Congress and President Obama have made it easier for top federal employees to trade on inside information.
On Monday, Obama signed into a law a change in the Stop Trading On Congressional Knowledge, or STOCK Act, which was passed in 2012. The change, which was approved unanimously by Congress last week, means that top federal employees, including staffers on Capital Hill and in the White House, will not have to publicly disclose their financial holdings online. That requirement was part of the original STOCK Act, but its implementation had been delayed again and again by Congress. And now it's dead.
The STOCK Act change does not apply to the president, vice president, members of Congress or candidates for Congress. Obama and Congress loudly passed the original STOCK Act last year after reports in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere, along with academic studies, noted that lawmakers with access to market-moving information were suspiciously lucky in the timing of their stock trades. One widely-cited estimate suggests congressional portfolios outperform the broader market by 12 percent annually, though there are reasons to doubt that figure.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/04/17/stock-act-change-insider-trading_n_3100115.html?utm_hp_ref=business
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:30am PT
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While folks in California have been sleeping, dramatic events have unfolded in the East. One of the Boston Marathon bombers is dead in a police shootout, one policeman dead, one wounded, and one bomber running loose through neighborhoods.
Several unexploded IED's in the streets after a car chase. Cell phone coverage has been turned off to avoid detonating them.
The Boston transit has been shut down, people have been told not to go to work and everyone should go home and lock themselves in. News reports are saying the two guys are brothers from Chechnya. I know they hate the Russians but wasn't aware they hated us too? It's looking more like an Al Quaeda connection.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:50am PT
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my naive and uneducated analysis of this epic:
some crazy shite.
those peace officers have my respect.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:37am PT
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Jan, thank you for your post. I otherwise would have been on my way to work an hour ago, after dropping the muppet at preschool. Stay at home orders have been issued for Newton, Watertown & Waltham, and now the entire city of Boston. (I live in Newton, on the border with Watertown, where the events apparently unfolded last night.) Public transportation is not operating, and all flights have been suspended.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:47am PT
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Amazing what time differences and the internet can do. It's late Friday evening news over here. I think if I lived in Boston I would not only lock myself in, I would barricade the doors and windows. Stay safe, we're all hoping they get the guy soon!
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:12am PT
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It's a beautiful, sunny day. From where we are you can hear church bells, woodpeckers, tweeting birds...and periodic sirens and helicopters.
The various images in the footage from overnight shows places we go almost on a daily basis.
Thankful we are all okay.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:20am PT
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I'm currently in the MS.
Can't wait for the taco stand to wake and give their brilliant analysis.
Stay safe you Bostonians!
And wedge...nice.
Cheers
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:34am PT
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^^
I hope not.
First because it would be nice to hear what the motive was, and second because suicide sucks.
And prison for life seems appropriate.
Cheers
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:46am PT
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suicide in this instance = easy escape without accountability.
the low threshold of man's conduct (in reference to the accused bombers) never ceases to surprise me.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:16am PT
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what did those two have against runners?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:23am PT
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I disagree.
Determining a motive/ reason ( obviously terror is one) will help us understand more the nature of the beast.
And I agree with our Norwegian friend.
I'd rather us spend tax dollars to put these folks away for life than to spend them on so much other BS. We have a legal system for a reason.
Cheers
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:24am PT
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older brother was probably dumped by his girlfriend, an already simmering rage becomes full blown psychosis that culminates with an outrageous plan to get her attention, pulls younger, gullible brother into it, and the rest unspools into this sh#t.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:25am PT
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I love it when the good guys take care of bizness.
I prefer that lack of accountability over any more police or innocents harmed.
Death by bullet doesn't seem to be lack of accountability...
Feckin' wild west out there in Tombstone, MA.
Hang tough Boston.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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Well someone is pissed it was not a couple rednecks from Texas. I hope they take the second guy alive.
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neversummer
climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:31am PT
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Wolverines!!!
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane ~:~
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:36am PT
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LilaBiene - Please be safe! Prayers for you, the Muppet, and all Bostonian's protection, peace and healing!!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:40am PT
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It seems obvious now that we need to give more money to the dept of homeland security, maybe 2-3 agents per citizen.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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death by self-administered bullet
is a f*#king cowardly sidestep of accountability,
particularly in this instance.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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I have seen that reality show about the red necks from Chechnya. Seems they all get pregnant at 15. They also drink lot's of Natural light and bomb ( not shoot) stuff.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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Thanks goodness that crazy people so often turn out to be incompetent. Despite the huge attention, these bombs were relatively ineffective and images of people running towards the bomb sites have limited the emotional impact here and abroad.
On the other hand, the thought of what two competent terrorists could do remains a huge and genuine danger. I'm not in Werner's conspiracy camp, but every Mayor and Police Chief in the country who's been pushing for more CCTV is surely revising their powerpoint slides this morning. If I were looking for something out of this, I'd love to find those guns were bought without a background check at a gun show, even if those guys were most likely entitled to pass a background check anyway.
What surprises me is how despite all the claims for facial recognition software, the Feds weren't able to match those video stills with driving license or immigration photographs. I suppose they'd love everyone to think it works as well as in the movies.
TE
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Thanks goodness that crazy people so often turn out to be incompetent.
2nd that. How dumb do you have to be to leave a bomb in broad daylight without your face covered. I also worry about a smart terrorist and how easy it would be to cause mass mayhem and not get caught. But maybe a smart terrorist is an oxymoron.
It's great that cameras are everywhere now. They so often help they cause of justice. Whether it's police brutality caught on tape, terrorists, or just regular bad guys. It's good to have that impartial witness conveying the truth.
I figured the grainy video stills would lead to people who were there going through their photos and finding better, clear photos of the suspects. Then they'd be able to ID them. I wonder if that's what happened.
I'm pretty impressed with law enforcement catching these guys so quickly. But how did the younger brother get away? Weird.
Sounds like the older brother got run over before he got shot to death. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Finally, what the f*#k were they hoping to accomplish? Kill innocent people for no real reason. So strange and lame. Thanks radical bullshit ideology.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:00am PT
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Ron, just admit it, your an Islamic hater.
It's people like you that continue to divide rather than bring together.
You don't think most Muslims are sadden by the fact that it IS Muslims that did this?
Sick people are sick regardless of their religious beliefs.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:01am PT
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2nd that. How dumb do you have to be to leave a bomb in broad daylight without your face covered.
Maybe they didn't plan on getting away with it.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:03am PT
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It will be interesting to see what the girlfriend says. Regardless if they take the 2nd Muslim terrorist alive, they will get the goods from the girlfriend if in fact she exists and is in custody.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:11am PT
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This whole thing is Ron's fault...right. These guys were driven to this by Ron and his cronies. Let's hear it lol
Come on folks, we all know Islam is a religion of peace. Atheists for Islam is a fantastic group and cause. If you do not embrace Isalm, you are a bigot and racist. Forget religion, the real truth is......
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:12am PT
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Then say that Ron don't make me pull it out of you.
Cheers
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:16am PT
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I don't understand why everyone is against torture in clear cases like this. Pull all of his toe nails out, kick them in the balls, and make them drink Green Mountain coffee... but do it in private so as not to inadvertently spawn another stupid sect of judaism.
i HATE RADICAL ISLAM ,, YES i do. And IT is HATED everywhere it exits.
Do you hate radical christianity? Did you know christianity was just radical judaism? Pretty sure radical christians killed more muslims during the crusades than radical muslims have killed christians in the last 2 centuries.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:17am PT
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Cause some things are not worth our honor.
Be safe LilaB. This is all way to close to you.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:21am PT
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Cause some things are not worth our honor.
???
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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honor? hahahaaaaa. Nice!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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make them drink Green Mountain coffee..
Ha!!!
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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This arrived in our mailbox yesterday.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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I bet the good honest run-of-the-mill criminals in the rest of Boston are
happy that the heat is off of them today. Does it really take how many hundreds
of cops to take down one punk? I mean, now that everybody in America knows
his visage, he's already outgunned 200 million to one. And why do cops
parked three blocks away have their cars running and lights flashing?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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This is disgusting. I don't believe you guys. What happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? None of you know what really happened. Only what they say happened. All they had on these guys was that they put bags on the ground and then walked away slowly.
Ya it's fishy, but does that make them killers? You have all but convicted them already....
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:37am PT
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a trial is THE LAST thing on ones mind..jus sayin...
'Murika.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:38am PT
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Obviously if that's what happened. There has been a lot of inaccuracies in the media lately. If that is true then obviously he had something to hide.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Mike, That's how we roll.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Well one of them apparently shot a cop. You would think you would not shoot a cop trying to get away if you were innocent. Just sayin....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:42am PT
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This uncle on CNN interview right now is gold.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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I don't trust the uncle I think we should just take him out. better safe than sorry ya know.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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You guys are better than this. I know you are thanks to your compassion for me.
Think about it.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:45am PT
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It is Merkin... google it
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:48am PT
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Where are all of our left wing ST haters? Are they having difficulties spinning this into a right wing plot? I can see they could have some trouble since these young dudes were foreign born and from an area where terrorism is the way of life, but come on surely they can let loose with at least a hateful wimper.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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Mike, I'm chiming in because I live an hour from this insanity. I have countless friends and family in the lockdown area.
Should the event not be discussed? Or, are you referring to the frivolous attitude toward death that some are taking? If its the latter, I'm with you.
My family IS Cambridge FD. My uncle is the chief. We are all concerned.
Edit; Rick, STFU with partisan bullsh#t. You are nice and safe in Reno, my family is right in the thick of it, many are first responders.
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Starman
Trad climber
Sterling, MA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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Big Mike,
There is zero sarcasm in this post... Writing from eastern MA.
The events of today and the last night are staggering -- you may not be hearing what's going on real time; it appears that these 2 guys (and more are suspected) were the Boston Marathon perp's from what's happening.
They (I'm putting the brothers together here) held up a convenience store wearing IED, stole a car via kidnap, shot and killed a 26 YOA MIT Policeman, were trying to get rid of more bombs out of the car as chase was on, and more. One brother has been killed, the younger one holed up somewhere.
City is on total shutdown -- no "T"/subway, taxis shut down, everything. Hunts appear to be taking place in different N.E. states and NY state.
All subject to final verification, of course -- real time stuff is fuzzy. Craziness!!
Take care, man--
Steve
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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These guys were paid to do this and pose as radicals by......wait for it.........
George Bush, RON and the......
NRA
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Or, are you referring to the frivolous attitude toward death that some are taking?
Yes!
All subject to final verification, of course -- real time stuff is fuzzy. Craziness!!
Exactly. This is all i'm saying.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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You know who is pissed right now and not getting the attention he deserves
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Where are all of our left wing ST haters? Are they having difficulties spinning this into a right wing plot?
Get to work you f*#kin "SLACKER"
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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the suspects' uncle was just interviewed. He pretty much summed it up:
religion and politics had nothing to do with it, they were just a pair of losers
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Well Jessus, before i got on ST i considered myself middle of the road. But after expressing what i considered common sense ideas and being attacked by hateful rants i've come to expect this hate mongering primarily from those who consider themselves as enthusiastic progressives.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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Edit; Rick, STFU with partisan bullsh#t. You are nice and safe in Reno, my family is right in the thick of it, many are first responders. ^^^+1
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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i went all right ring
this morning on my cup of coffee.
it was just standing there,
but i attacked it like it was trying to get away.
im not talking sippy sips of coffee,
im talking aggressive gulps that probably
instilled terror in the ground-up scent
of the wee, innocent beans.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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I used to respect you My thoughts precisely. at least he still has Ron
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
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He escaped while surrounded by alert police force?! They must have let him go to see who he's associated with, hopefully...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Yeah i hear you Randisi,my questions could be misinterpreted as inflammatory if one group or another never considers themselves as being capable of being even the slightest bit wrong. This event seems to be something all americans can collectively mourn and come together in realizing that there are deep cultural problems in this country that can't be solved by pointing fingers in one direction or another. These young men seem to be loners, perhaps influenced by the culture of violence worship that pervades all mediums with exposure to our children from an early age.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Many members of my family have gone to Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, the same as the suspect.
This sh#t really hits home.
Edit; we posted at the same time. Thanks, Lila.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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Brandon, please express my family's gratitude, also centered in the Boston area and sprinkled all over NE, to those in your circle and their colleagues, for their bravery and for putting their lives on the line to protect those of us in this area.
This is an incredibly dangerous, ongoing situation...and very real to many of us.
I would ask that some of the folks throwing around hate and sweeping generalizations about ethinic, religious and other populations try to realize that this hate is squarely hitting some of their fellow climbers (and members of this forum) right in the chest.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
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Brandon and LilaB I posted a link to police radio scanning that may be of interest or not to you guys. It is deleted now but if you wish I will PM it to you. Brandon if you didnt get the PM let me know.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
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I would ask that some of the folks throwing around hate and sweeping generalizations about ethinic, religious and other populations try to realize that this hate is squarely hitting some of their fellow climbers (and members of this forum) right in the chest. ^^^ +1
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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+10 to what Lila says. Nothing productive in attacking entire cultures or individuals for that matter. As our president so eloquently said, lets finish the race. Events like this can either make us stronger our destroy us, it is or choice.
My sister in Somerville told me that their 3rd floor tenant heard the commotion last night when he went out on his balcony. They all stayed home today, crazy times there, hope all the first responders are okay, really sad that a cop was killed.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Can you PM me the link? I can't find it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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Where are all of our left wing ST haters? Are they having difficulties spinning this into a right wing plot? I can see they could have some trouble since these young dudes were foreign born and from an area where terrorism is the way of life, but come on surely they can let loose with at least a hateful wimper.
So nice that the rednecks from Wasilla, home of Sarah, where you can see Russia, could join us!
To bad.. We were right...
"Too" spelled incorrectly. Let's see, a couple of Muslim dudes, living in the USA, legally, for many years. Radical Islam is considered far right.
Radical Muslims legally in the states for many years makes it homegrown.
We were all right! Sheesh, give me a break.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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In times like these it helps to remember that people say things on message boards that are flippant and not thought out. A form of venting. Most of these folks are people you would enjoy knowing in real life.
Rick is a good guy. I'd expect that all of you currently squabbling at this moment would in other circumstance truly enjoy each others company.
Try not to let these bombers have another victory here on supertopo.
Lets be kind in each post from here out as we have friends here and now who themselves or their loved ones are in a possible line of fire.
Let us use this to learn how to be stronger and better. It's how we win.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
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Thanks for the info RON
In times like these it helps to remember that people say things on message boards that are flippant and not thought out. A form of venting. Most of these folks are people you would enjoy knowing in real life.
Rick is a good guy. I'd expect that all of you currently squabbling at this moment would in other circumstance truly enjoy each others company.
Try not to let these bombers have another victory here on supertopo.
Lets be kind in each post from here out as we have friends here and now who themselves or their loved ones are in a possible line of fire.
Let us use this to learn how to be stronger and better. It's how we win.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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my questions could be misinterpreted as inflammatory
Wow, how can someone be so self-deluded?
BTW, radical Muslims ARE far right. So are abortion Dr. killers. But you can't generalize their actions to all Muslims or Christians.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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So nice that the rednecks from Wasilla, home of Sarah, where you can see Russia, could join us!
Hey, I just got here! I was just talking to one of my old homies in Wasilla.
I asked her how the local League of Women Voters is doing. She said Sarah
has boosted their numbers! Woo-Hoo!
And, yes, you can see Russia from Wasilla...(Sarah's Crack House on the far left - LOL)
See? Climbing related!
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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If I was in Boston right now, I would totally nude up and streak the vacant streets wearing a climbing harness and not much else.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
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HAHA I would yell the words infidel and Allah.
I would make the news...quickly
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
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More dead people in the name of fanatical religious (Islam) beliefs...what a surprise. Can't get it, WHY in Boston? Their family immigrated to USA from Chechnya after the war Chechnya had with Russia...why sh#t in the country that has helped your family???
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
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OPINION ALERT: My guess is that they are huge losers that have decided to hide behind the veil of Islam. Life was not going the way they envisioned so might as well kill people. Sad stuff.
Jghedge....is leftist extremism OK? Just wondering?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
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Don't you want to look deeper?
His avatar is himself photoshopped on Mr. Potatohead.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
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Hedge, i believe they'll find these brothers as unconnected to terrorist organizations. They haven't fit the typical profile yet; they weren't suicide bombers, they seem to have no mechanism for escape,their was no claim of responsibility by any terrorist organization.These guys were among the disaffected, they felt themselves to be detached and unaccepted by the community around them. They resorted to making their mark, as so many other young people in recent times,in a fit of mayhem and murder. Their are deeper problems in this world than right or left or religious affiliation-it is the culture of violence worship and any time we point hateful fingers we reinforce it.So in a very real way this political discourse of recent times has fanned the flames and will continue to do so until those pointing look in the mirror and realize the finger points back at them. I am guilty myself, that i can see as well as Russians from my Wasilla windows.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
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This whole discussion saddens me. Here we have a tragedy that should engender outrage in all of us, followed by what appears to be law enforcement doing its job to apprehend the last living suspect. This should cause us to realize that what unites us exceeds, by far, what divides us. Instead, all we do is intensify our partisan insults.
Say it ain't so.
John
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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And you believe it?
The 'here' is not America. Jeebus.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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They don't seem to be jihadists, but a couple of kids from a war-torn, violent region on our planet who couldn't rise above their history.
fair observation
but there is some connection to Islamic faith
and we don't know how much
and the brothers were here in America some 13 years before they decided to kill
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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The 'here' is not America.
Wanna here it again?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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OK, I believe you really do think the family came to America to kill. Sad.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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The uncle of the two Boston Marathon bombing suspects told CBS that the men "do not deserve to live on this earth."
Ruslan Tsarni told the station that he'd lived with suspects Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev in Cambridge for about 10 years. In an emotional interview, he said he realized that his nephews may be responsible after reading a report on AOL.com. Tsarni was also shocked but "not sympathetic" to learn that 26-year-old Tamerlan had been killed.
"Unbelievable -- he absolutely deserved this," Tsarni said between heavy breaths. "I always told those two, Islam has always been there, just do your business. Work, go to school, be useful. Know why you came to America ... I am not sympathizing with them."
He also described Tamerlan as a “loser.”
Tsarni said his nephews immigrated to the United States around 2000 or 2001, living in Cambridge the whole time. He said Dzhokhar was attending college somewhere outside of Boston.
He said he hasn't been in touch with the brothers since about 2009, and believes their parents moved back to Russia.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/ruslan-tsarni-uncle-of-suspects-interview_n_3116075.html
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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Mono,, their world view is ISLAM, and the FBI has announced they came here just to kill people..do the math..
WTF. How does your age addled mind extrapolate facts from conjecture?
You need to learn to refrain from posting sometimes Ron.
You are speculating. Stop doing that.
You may be a nice human in person, but your words really piss me off.
Stop f*#king speculating and wait to see what happens. The people who know what they are doing are in charge of this situation.
Your callous disregard of other people is wearing thin.
You live in a bubble.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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but there is some connection to Islamic faith
Maybe they are just simple Muslims. The pattern for jihadists is to praise Ala and praise their acts in the name of Ala and condemn America. Apparently, the younger brother tweeted a few times after the bombing, but didn't tweet any religious slogans or condemnations like that. It makes me think that connections to formal terrorist organizations may be thin, but we have to be open-minded and wait for the facts to come in.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
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Mono,, their world view is ISLAM, and the FBI has announced they came here just to kill people..do the math..
OK, I'll do some math. They decided when they were six and thirteen years old to come to the U.S. to kill people? Truth is no one has any idea what they were thinking and probably never will.
Hopefully no one else is hurt or killed before this is resolved.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
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Trying to get someone so proud of their ignorance to disavow it?
Good luck.
This applies to the far left and the far right. Common sense is awesome. People should use it more often.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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Can we wait until their motives fully come to light or are you satisfied with jumping to possibly-wrong conclusions?
Personally, I,d like him caught alive, fully interrogated (so as to determine any other,s possible involvement), and then mysteriously dead.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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Literally the most Boston thing I've ever seen. Authorities ask Dunkin Donuts to remain open during lockdown. http://t.co/...
— @suttnutz via TweetDeck
Indeed, it's true:
"At the direction of authorities, select Dunkin' Donuts restaurants in the Boston area are open to take care of the needs of law enforcement and first responders."
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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Screw you Ron. What I wrote are my words. Not sure what you're referring to.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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Peter Krause, a political science professor and terrorism expert at Boston College, said that the few details about the mens' backgrounds could point to several possible motivations.
"They are from Chechnya, but you could be American, Japanese, whatever, and it doesn't mean what you do is based on your nationality. They could be committing this for personal reasons or political reasons," he said. "It could be that these individuals are not affiliated with any organization or trained by them. They could be upset about their homeland, they could have thought of this as part of a larger assault against the west or Christianity by Islam -- that is heard among Chechen terrorists sometimes. You've had Al Qaeda fighters train in Chechnya, and Al Qaeda has been looking for more European-looking individuals to blend into society."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
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and the jihadists ALL celebrated around the world over this,, dancing in the streets and handing out candy.
missed that one
link?
edit
found it
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
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Damn. We're a pretty twisted species sometimes.
Usually after someone to blame.
Usually preaching for others to take responsibility.
Usually not looking too closely in the mirror.....
My take, (so far) is that these were lost humans.
Not quite Chechyn.
Not quite Kyrgyz.
Not quite Muslim.
Not quite American.
Not quite whole..................
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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Domestic Terrorism.
One was a nationalized citizen, the other had a green card.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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Far Left - We ( Americans minus WBraun) made them do this. We drove them to do this through our intolerance and ignorance. Americans are to blame, not the killers. Islam > Christianity, Judiasm etc
Lets somehow make this about the 2nd Amendment.
Far right - Islam is evil. We should round them all up/ profile them daily. We should not allow Muslims to immigrate to our country. Lets somehow make this about the 2nd amendment. Assault rifles for all !
Both Left and right - Let's hurl insults at the other group because the are STUPID
Seriously..... pretty F* stupid.
Carry on taco standers
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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My take, (so far) is that these were lost humans.
Bingo!
John
Edit: Thanks, Snowmassguy, for your comments.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Leftist extremism is repealing the 2nd amendment and universal health care
Saving lives vs. taking them
You be the judge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism
You might want to expand your views a bit to include such groups as Earth First!, Animal Liberation Front, etc. Certainly we're currently in a left-extremist lull, but that has not been the historical norm: http://terrorism.about.com/od/originshistory/a/LeftWingTerror.htm
The problem is that there are people on all sides of the issues that feel they can't move their agenda forward without some collateral damage, even if those lives taken are children and other innocents.
Viewed through the lens of Malthusian Theory and it's fairly easy to conclude we're on the downhill slope due to extreme overcrowding and uneven distribution of resources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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go to Aljazeera news, Arabnews,, Arab world,, etc etc. I posted yesterday about it. Hezbollah et all,, dancing in the streets handing out candies was a direct quote.
So the f-_-k what Ron? They will celebrate anything at all that happens to us.
What exactly are you suggesting?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Yeah Ron, jihadists raging against the machine, i agree. IMHO though, they are not connected. In a way you could say that all the young perps from Columbine to Sandy Hook are also jihadists as it was after all terrorism.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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That however does not make them any less dangerous. They ACTED as jihadists do, and the jihadists ALL celebrated around the world over this,, dancing in the streets and handing out candy.
Didn't say (or think) they aren't dangerous. It's pretty evident that they are. Not sure that they acted like jihadists. They acted to kill lots of people, that is certainly true and in that way it is a jihadist act. But their actions now aren't clearly jihadist, at least as I understand it. Dancing jihadists are extraneous data. That doesn't confirm these two are jihadist. But again, we need to wait for the data to come in and try to be open-minded in the process.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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The Aunt just spoke.
She is a lawyer and called out the media just before she was cut off.
Ron; I don't understand how people accept your hate. Call it what you will, but it's hate. Pure and simple.
Let's show a little respect for the fallen.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
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But again, we need to wait for the data to come in and try to be open-minded in the process.
forget that
that is no fun
much better to speculate wildly and then say i told you so IF the facts later support it
and of course be quiet and refrain from posting for a short while IF proven wrong
either way you come out ok
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
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A respectful and heart felt "I told you so!"
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
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Huh? What happened? Did I miss something?
What's going on in Boston?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
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OK, I have decided. So many voices on this thread that have decided they are absolute so I will jump in now.
These "Russian Americans" were bullied at the American school while growing up. Likely by wealthy white kids. This has led to the events of this past week. Americans are to blame.
Now a politician(s) needs to save us from pressure cookers. Let's write some new feel good laws that will have ZERO practical impact and make our students take a tolerance course that covers the virtues of Islam.
Problem solved Merica style.
EDIT Bullied by Christian or Jewish rich white kids
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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Islamic terrorist on the loose in Boston killing Americans and jghedge feels
sorry for himself for being wrong.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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The older brother was a near Olypmic level boxer--perhaps he had suffered concussions and related brain problems? Hopefully his brain is intact and can be studied to see if that had anything to do with it.
Younger brother was probably emotionally vulnerable and fell under the spell of the older brother.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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Let's write some new feel good laws that will have ZERO practical impact and make our students take a tolerance course that covers the virtues of Islam.
Problem solved Merica style.
lol
pretty funny, Snowmassguy
easy to criticize America, eh?
care to take a shot at offering your own "solutions"?
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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he Boston Marathon is an American Iconic event. That is why V...
But WHY??? Why kill Americans. Their family ran to USA from war. Why f*#k up the country that helped you? I don't get it. Do they just have so much hate for EVERYONE who is not Muslim? Or what's the deal? Like freaking animals. You could expect to be eaten if you adopt a lion. You could expect to be blown up if you let....nevermind. Been this way for ages in Russia. These animals blew up trains, buses, took over schools and killed children without any remorse.
Pisses me off that it is always innocent people who get screwed. Both by actions of these sick f*#ks, and by hate from the bigots who don't understand that not EVERY Muslim is a sick f*#k. Majority of Muslims want piece like majority of normal people around the world. But guys like these really make it hard for the normal ones...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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Both by actions of these sick f*#ks, and by hate from the bigots who don't understand that not EVERY Muslim is a sick f*#k. Majority of Muslims want piece like majority of normal people around the world. But guys like these really make it hard for the norm
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
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Wonder why this should be posted here.
Thinking it might have something to do with something.
Anybody ever seen it? If you haven't, you're missing out.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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Do they just have so much hate for EVERYONE who is not Muslim?
In the eyes of a true believer.....
your not even a human being... in the eyes of a true believer.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
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and the jihadists ALL celebrated around the world over this,, dancing in the streets and handing out candy.
You obviously have never seen the pictures of the US, when we won WWII.
You obviously slept through the first Gulf War, right after the 100 hours.
What you describe, is what happens when ANYONE sees bad things happen to their enemies.
I like the concept of when you whoop with glee upon hearing about the death of a US enemy, that you are, in your own words, taking on the cloak of Islam.
Why do you hate America, Imam Rong?
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Im simply going with the evidence. Pressure cookers being a jihadist standard,, then the terrorists own words of Allah and islam, and the technique of hidden bombs in a a crowd. When someone claims faith to radical islam on tweets and face book, the goes out and commits mass murder- it certainly seems like a jihad maneuver.
That evidence seems mostly circumstantial to me. The pressure cooker is a jihadist method, but that method is also available to anyone. A cooking pot is readily available, and would seem to be a consideration for any bomber. Bombs in a crowd -- yes, jihadist, but also the same method used at the Atlanta Olympics, which was not jihad. Claiming faith to radical Islam -- haven seen that. Have seen tweets about eating hot dogs and hamburgers. Also, college friends say they party with him - not sure the jihadists are party animals? Anyway, you can argue it either way, but is it all relatively uninformed arguments at this point, I think. Lot's we don't know.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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Why fly planes into the Twin Towers, because it was yet another American Iconic site.
Really? The WORLD Trade Center is a Merkin iconic site? They were just tall buildings as far as most Merkins were concerned... not even the tallest... never were. They were after death toll and spectacle, not an iconic site. If they were after an iconic site they would have hit the statue of liberty... but as a brilliant reporter "reported" during the crisis... "at least Lady Liberty is still standing."
From Wiki:
The site for the World Trade Center was the location of Radio Row, home to hundreds of commercial and industrial tenants, property owners, small businesses, and approximately 100 residents, many of whom fiercely resisted forced relocation. A group of small businesses affected filed an injunction challenging the Port Authority's power of eminent domain. The case made its way through the court system to the United States Supreme Court; the Court refused to accept the case.
Actually, that DOES sound pretty Merkin when you think about it.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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You almost have to wonder if Chris Mac is paying Ron to troll and say the dumb ass sh#t that comes out of his keyboard on a daily basis just to increase hits/views.
Can anyone really be that dumb, racist, in-no-Rant and still be allow to post.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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a retired Mass trooper said the car the islamic terrorists jacked in Boston then abandoned during the overnight battle had many homemade grenades still in it.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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easy to criticize America, eh?
care to take a shot at offering your own "solutions"
More laws...yeah that will do it. Maybe forced tolerance/intolerance for religion? Blind faith in our "honest" politicians because they are a Dem or Repub is always a great solution. They are not power hungry narcissists that only care about advancing their own agendas. They have our best interests in mind at all times.
We the people should adhere to a party line and stick to it. That is how our country was founded. At the same time, we should make changes ( throw out the 2nd Amendment and maybe others ) and tax the hell out of the people because the government is always the poster child of efficiency and knows how to spend our money better than we do. Lastly, we should go on climbing sites and spew hate and intolerance for beliefs that are in opposition to our own because that is the modern Murican thing to do.
....OR maybe use COMMON SENSE and focus on being good human beings and stewards of our environment ? Naggh, let's stick to our proud ideologies. It will all work out.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
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Persons of interest near honda at 22 norseman Waterton. Immediate Apprehension is authorized. Norseman is off Mt Auburn.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
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i posted quotes from his tweets up thread. Praises of allah, and islam.
Only see a comment by brother that he has no American firends. Are there others?
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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FWIW: Here is something from Slate on the younger brother's twitter account (link at end). It shows some dark entries and two or three tweets related to Islam, but overall, mostly what you would expect from a college kid:
Gawker’s Adrian Chen has found what he believes to be 19-year-old Dzhokar Tsarnaev’s Twitter account, and BuzzFeed is reporting that the account indeed belongs to the at-large marathon bombing suspect.
The tweets are jarring for their ordinariness. The updates sketch a portrait of a somewhat bro-ish, quite assimilated young American. If his tweets are to be believed, Tsarnaev is a sports fan—“imagine how reckless their weekend is going to be in #Louisville,” he wrote in the wake of the team’s NCAA victory. He likes hip-hop, specifically Kendrick Lamar and Eminem. He has thoughts on the best strategy for when to buy the new Air Jordans. He seems to like women—he posted an NSFW image of a man and woman engaged in a sex act, rendered in ASCII characters—and doesn’t care for gays, if his homophobic retweets can be interpreted as endorsements. (On the other hand, he once tweeted a line from Rent.)
He eats Hot Pockets, though he doesn’t like them nearly as much as he likes Nutella, which has come up more than once in recent months. He’s familiar enough with American popular culture that he could note the recent absence of a once ubiquitous advertising avatar: “I haven't seen a silly rabbit trix are for kids commercial in a while, did he finally get some or what...”
These seem like the stray observations of an American male who would wear his baseball cap backward; he lives up to the image in the minds of those who spent yesterday “brofiling” him. And yet sprinkled throughout these anodyne, pop-culture-laden notes are musings that take on a darker hue after the bombings. On April 8, he wrote: “If you have the knowledge and the inspiration all that's left is to take action.” On March 10, he tweeted: “Never underestimate the rebel with a cause.” Chillingly, his quotation of Eminem’s verse from “Forgot About Dre” (“nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got somethin to say but nothin comes out when they move their lips; just a bunch of gibberish”) came after the bombings.
As recently as January, he dismissed people who link Islam with terror (“I don't argue with fools who say islam is terrorism it's not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot”). In March, he paraphrased Edmund Burke (“evil triumphs when good men do nothing”). Given what he seems to have done, he invests the maxim with malice—a malice made that much more scary by the banality of what surrounds it.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/04/19/dzhokar_tsarnaev_twitter_account_boston_marathon_bombing_suspect_loved_eminem.html
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
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LOL^^^
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
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police are busy lots of stuff being investigated. various suspicious situations. police tense. norseman st still staked out. difficult for police to have details on federal agents in area. often getting verification of units in various areas belonging to different agencies.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
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No reason except kidnapping and throwing bombs at police. Sadly some of their family does not have access to our information.
A tragedy on so many levels :(
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
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police tense
I don't envy their position. That's a tough job this week.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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CMAC needs to reactivate the accounts of folks that have been deactivated over the years so they can comment on this thread only. We need some Fatard and LEB and many more.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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Gee Ron, does it really bothers you that the facts seem to really make the younger brother seem like an American? Wait? He was an American, never mind.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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No American has won this week.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
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I spent the afternoon with Jennie and a lawyer at the Immigrant Council trying to sort out my situation, then I get home and go to the shops and Jen asks if there are people at the gates. "No", and I turn on the CCTV of the gates.
Back from the shops and a Garda (policeman) shows up. Asks me if there is trouble. I run into my office phone, and yes I saw the last call was 999, when I was gone for about ten minutes, she called the Gardai (it was really foxes squabbling in the front yard, they sound like Banshees).
The garda understood after talking with him. That Jen has Korsakoff's and confabulates.
Why tell this story?
Because Philo, that photo of the dog with snow on his face made me laugh, made my day. After all, snow is a dog's summer. Thanks Philo
Otherwise than this thread drift of mine, be civil, people. Okay it appears the perps were from Russia. If their uncle is correct, that they were just losers and not ideologically motivated... I don't know, do we ban losers, if so I am in the deep end.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
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just for argument's sake,
what would you do if you clawed your epic
way on to the 12" ledge atop pitch 29,
your water and food, long exhausted,
and you found an unopened container of nutella.
that stuff requires water, for edibility.
though you're starving.
you're also thirsty.
blood sugar, capput.
tears no longer flowing.
blood, thick.
desperation, high.
im thinking, i would shite the marble
that's been camping out in my lower cathedral,
and plunge face first into god's vagina.
just for argument's sake.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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The father of the two was just interviewed (CNN) and claims his sons were framed and that the cops shot his oldest son for no reason...
I don't think the opinions of an accused's parents are particularly probative at to guilt . . .
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
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John B,,Im an American. They were not
wrong
he IS an "American"
he actually wanted to be a US Citizen bad enough to go through all the rigorous entry and civic tests
something happened to him, in his mind, WHILE he was an American
we don't know what, but he was unemployed and had an older brother influencing him
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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This thread is full of idiocracy.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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"what would you do if you clawed your epic
way on to the 12" ledge atop pitch 29,
your water and food, long exhausted,
and you found an unopened container of nutella"
Its happened to me. I used contact lens solution to wash it down.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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see this Ron?
Dzhokar Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen on September 11, 2012, ...
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
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When people think of America, they think of morbidly obese people eating McDonalds, driving big trucks in dirt, and shooting everyone to death.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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"Ive never had any friends, i dont understand these people"..
I often feel the same way. Especially about "these people" who insist on being "A-Merkin" and forget what it means to be human. As if a fuking cross and a huge ass Merkin flag on your truck makes you a better person.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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BU' GOH'DAMIT ITS OUR RIGHT!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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When people think of America, they think of morbidly obese people eating McDonalds, driving big trucks in dirt, and shooting everyone to death.
That's NORTH America. South Americans aren't like that at all.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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Everyone wants to be a got-dammed Merkin
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
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Today in history
April 19 2013 -Massachusetts authorities fight Islamic terrorists in streets
April 19 1775 -Massachusetts Minutemen fight and defeat gun grabbing
British soldiers from the bridge at Lexington all the way into Boston.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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The Right is acting as if they just won the World Series so relieved it wasn't one of their own. You know, the next most likely suspects every time something like this happens.
Whew! I was relieved they weren't Armenian, since so many of us live in the Watertown area.
Judging by the comments on this thread, it seems that the damage done to America by the bombings will pale compared with the damage Americans want to do to each other. We may well have caught the perpetrators. Why aren't we pulling together and celebrating?
John
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
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April 19 1775 -Massachusetts Minutemen fight and defeat gun grabbing
British soldiers from the bridge at Lexington all the way into Boston.
April 20, 1775 - American conservatives condemn the radicals and re-pledge their loyalty to the English king.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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Gary - Signed under duress with British muskets pointed at them and the threat of imprisonment and confiscation of all their property.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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You right wingers just love to ignore your own history. What are you ashamed of? By all accounts, the Royal American Regiment fought bravely for the king against the patriots. You should be proud!
edit: I am ashamed of my part in this thread drift. Best wishes to all in Boston, and hopefully the perpetrators will all be in hand soon. Thaat we can all agree on.
Peace out.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 19, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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Ive been sent a pic of perp A - and i assure you hes quite dead
Does he look like he got run over by a car?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
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9000 against one 19 year old punk? That doesn't make me feel really
confident in the police. Or is it just symptomatic of the whole fear-mongering
thing so as to beef up budgets and bureaucracies while ignoring more mundane
crime like gangs, organized crime, white-collar crime, and stop sign rollers?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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It has already been pointed out, but these ARE right wingers. They want government to enforce their religious beliefs. THAT is right wing.
They just happen to follow a different religion... same god as those who bomb abortion clinics or burn crosses... different prophet... still right wing.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
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What was the most recent fire fight all about Ron? The "pressure cooker" you were talking about?
Wrong guy? Just a gun nut who decided to shoot it out with the cops because he thought they were coming for his guns or what?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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They are all dressed up like they are in Delta Force, driving around in armored vehicles and they let a 19 year old driving a stolen SUV drive right away from them?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Ontheedge, they even brought in a couple of Blackhawk helos! WTF?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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do you not watch the news?
If there was anyone reporting the NEWS, I would watch it. When I turn on the TV all I see are a bunch of idiots spewing sensationalized speculation they don't know anything about. Anything to get the sheeple to tune in.
You watch a lot of "news" Ron? I'm curious, seriously, what ads do they run between segments?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
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I bet you a drone will show up to monitor, if it's not up there already.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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why exactly would our intelligence community choose a drone when they can easily have a trained pilot?
isn't the purpose of drones to remove a human from harms way?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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Man, there's a bunch of drones on CNN.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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And why didn't all these people who are claiming to have known him turn him in after they saw his face in the Marathon videos?
The family is in for some serious questioning. someone had to know of their intentions but likely turned a blind eye.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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I bet you a drone will show up to monitor, if it's not up there already.
The drones are all tied up at Ron's looking for castor plants.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
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someone had to know of their intentions but likely turned a blind eye.
HAD TO? Why is that?
I didn't see images of the guys until today. What makes you think "all these people" who knew them intentionally didn't turn him in? Geez, talk about guilty until proven innocent.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
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gee, somehow I gotta believe all of us are watching the various news feeds
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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I know I am. I'm such a news whore.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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^^ including me. I have no idea what the Chechen issue has to do with the US. Maybe just that killing Americans is guaranteed to cause an unbelievable over-reaction.
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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A 19 year old kid, on foot, eludes 9000 professional cops for 15 hours, and counting. WTF?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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Or maybe they are losers with psychotic tendencies. A Merican 19 year old just shot a bunch of kids in an elementary school and no one was looking for a political connection.
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losbill2
climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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They are all dressed up like they are in Delta Force, driving around in armored vehicles and they let a 19 year old driving a stolen SUV drive right away from them?
Hey you ignorant POS. Get you're butt out here, strap up and you go find him. There is one young officer dead and one fighting for his life. Some townie cops and a transit officer put their lives on the line to try and protect their community in which my daughter lives to try and take down two maniacs with automatic weapons, improvised hand grenades and IEDs. FU
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Greg Barnes
climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
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A 19 year old kid, on foot, eludes 9000 professional cops for 15 hours, and counting. WTF? Should give a lot of comfort to anyone worrying about Big Brother and the police state...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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Study: Majority Of Americans Not Informed Enough To Stereotype Chechens
That fact supports Wes's contention: what television purports to be news is mere entertainment.
My own, cynical, theory of why attack here is that we're an easier target than Russia.
John
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
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I have nothing but respect for all those good folks putting their lives on the line looking for this kid. I'm just amazed they haven't found him yet.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
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Being a Russian Studies major I can say that there are a number of perjoratives
used in colloquial Russian that are applied to most peoples of the Caucasus.
I leave it to your imagination what those terms are and how that reflects
the attitude of many Russians towards their southern neighbors. Analogies
to the English vs Irish or our own relatively recent past would not be out
of place. It is not too difficult to understand how a young Chechen could
be radicalized against the country that has given his family a life they
would never have known back home - after all, we are still infidels.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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A 19 year old kid, on foot, eludes 9000 professional cops for 15 hours, and counting. WTF?
I've been thinking this, too. He is either damned lucky or pretty clever.
I have nothing but respect for all those good folks putting their lives on the line looking for this kid.
Me, too. Most are regular, ordinary people doing an extra ordinary job under a lot of stress. The individual cops and agents deserve credit and respect.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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One guy, a needle in a hay stack,, ESPECIALLY if someone else is hiding him.
True. I would guess there are hundreds--and probably thousands--of law enforcement personal of various stripes involved in this, plus the money and the computer processing, etc, etc. Given all that effort and resource put to one 19 year old kid ... we know they will find him, but it is pretty remarkable he has eluded them thus far. I wonder what the actual cost will be when it is finally over, and if we will ever know?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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Hey Tami I posted that earlier for Lila and Brendon as they are or have loved ones in the area. But the feed does occasionally give private information of id checks and such.. Also it's easily a target of stupid comments by folks not used to working with teams on radio.
Had mixed feelings making it more easily available.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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gee,
I have to say it never occurred to me to wonder how much this is costing
interesting comment
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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Should give a lot of comfort to anyone worrying about Big Brother and the police state...
Not to me, really. I am not an alarmist in this regard, but the amount of resource brought to bear so quickly is a bit jarring. He may elude capture for a short time, but in the end, I think odds are low he will escape. They also shut down a city and required people to stay in their homes. That may have been thought to be the best thing to do to protect citizens and to increase the chances for capture, but I don't feel particularly comfortable that government authorities can do that so easily and so unilaterally.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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but I don't feel particularly comfortable that government authorities can do that so easily and so unilaterally.
odd you don't
I sure do, and I suspect everyone is Boston is damn proud of their government right now
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Perhaps it is time to slow down on the push for an immigration bill. Old Harry and crew should take a good look at the process whereby we allow legal immigration to those we deem in need of political asylum.I presume that is why we have so many people from war torn regions like Chechnya ,etc. Some countries only allow immigrants that have expertise and commitment to assimilate into and advance their culture.The bill should be much more wide ranging and protective of U.S. citizens,
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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I have to say it never occurred to me to wonder how much this is costing
I'm from New England, so very frugal. We think about these things. It has to be done, but with all the personnel working around the clock, including many who aren't visible in labs, back offices and overseas, its got to be very expensive. And, in an event like this, no one is saying let's cut costs. In the end, the money has to come from somewhere, and you can probably guess where who's pocket that will be.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
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suspect possibly in a boat in a backyard.. police maneuvering personel as best they can regarding lines of fire.. bit of a mess not too bad normal stuff .. also trying to remove residents while making sure have eyes on boat. Strict orders not to fire weapons.
--- Planning to pull cover off boat with eyes on from a nearby third floor.
Quite possible nothing will be there.. or ..who knows
--- Movement in boat.. someone is in it for sure
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
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If he's as smart as they say he is, he won't corner himself in a boat.
Are you watching from a 3rd story? Or webcam?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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police scanner is source ... live
he (subject as being refered to by police) is alternating between lying down and sitting up.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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I suspect everyone is Boston is damn proud of their government right now
Yes, that's a very good point and I have to say that if I lived in Boston, I would honestly feel this way, too. Being distant from it, the perspective is different. Not sure if it is more objective or too cautious. In truth, I am ambivalent about it.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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freq?
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ec
climber
ca
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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If he's as smart as they say he is, he won't corner himself in a boat.
Uh...him and his bro robbed a 7-11 and car jacked a car; not so bright.
ec
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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I have mixed feelings about posting this but I'll err on the side of public information.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam
Currently they are getting ordinance in place if needed before floodlighting up boat... now reports of a flame on the boat.
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do not return fire (no fire yet)
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
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THanks Climbski! :D
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sharperblue
Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
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People, this is PATHETIC.
I mean, come ON; the 'HelpClimberzVisciouslyPinchedinPeru' thread had 1095 comments, and we're at a lousy 900; we can and must do BETTER! man up! Let the insults fly! Counter-attack those left wing p*ssies! B*tch-slap those right-wing goofs! going climbing; have at
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
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gee,
I wonder how much our taxes will be raised to pay for all this law enforcement activity
I mean, somebody has to pay for it, right?
christ
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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no more fire reported on the boat or lights
flashbanged.. no movement
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
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I wonder how much our taxes will be raised to pay for all this law enforcement activity
I mean, somebody has to pay for it, right?
And the victims will spend the rest of their lives paying for all their own care....
Susan
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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they are getting tight with radio comms... radio silence issued.
negative movement suspect on his back
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Apr 19, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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WTF is wrong with Chris Mathews? He just said he wished the police would give us some more info, but I guess they are busy, but it would be nice blah blah blah.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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send in the NOOB officer/soldiers,, thats what they did in Nam! Westmoreland was certainly no Noob
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
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The car they highjacked had an interesting bumper sticker.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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Not sure what point you are making?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
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And it smells that way to me.
This is moronic and really - in the end - absolutely on par with pap and bullshit fed to kids like this in order to radicalize them. It's entirely hyper-dramatic which would be simply sad if it weren't so corrosive. This type of bullshit directly foments exactly the kind of irrational anti-government sentiment which, when consumed by the unbalanced, causes deaths among our first responders.
There has not been a case of a 19-year old outwitting authorities or being assisted by anyone. If you follow they brother's tracks from MIT on it's been a complete debacle and that the 19-year old temporarily made it a short distance on foot to another structure means nothing other than being reflective of the chaotic nature of any such chain of events.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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So there is a suspect in a boat, a suspect in a backyard, and a suspect
in a rowhouse? Is this guy an amoeba replicating himself?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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some effort is being made to get a phone to the suspect.
the boat is in a backyard. see msnbc
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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some effort is being made to get a phone to the suspect.
Uh, duct tape the phone to a hand grenade?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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police are onto the fact that this is being broadcast.. and that thousands are listening to the feed.
exact location of the boat is
42deg 21' 59.40 N 71deg 10' 26.74 W
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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I'm surprised they allow the broadcast over the internet
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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Ron- Harry should lead a delegation of senators here to view the extensive art collection exhibited on just about every building prominent to busy streets in the Reno-Carson area. Maybe he could expand the 1% for the arts required in many federal funded contracts to put these budding artists to productive work. Certainly those aren't gang (or as Jay Leno said undocumented democrats) signs, are they?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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Just let the bastard bleed out, he's wounded.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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They carjacked a Mercedes SUV
You are correct for once.
That's the first car.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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Fascinating to listen to. Huge amount going on in multiple locations. Lots to process. Can see how decision-making in such circumstances would be pretty tough.
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Morgan
Trad climber
East Coast
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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Blood trail in driveway and on boat tarp? Death by asphyxiation from 12 bangers in a tarp covered boat?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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If there is a man in a boat shouldn't they call in Dr. Ruth?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
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exact location of the boat is
42deg 21' 59.40 N 71deg 10' 26.74 W
Franklin street goes around the corner it is the second house as road turns northeast.
radio discipline is trying to be enforced but not perfectly.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
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With an open mike, they could get sued for being human - can't blame them
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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So if that was Chris Dorner in that boat it would be all over by now.
Why the kid gloves? So they can spend $5 million on lawyers and $1 million
in providing him three hots and a cot?
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Why the kid gloves?
Because the whole world is watching. I would imagine they feel like they are in a fishbowl and they don't want to make any mistakes.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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Also the possibility of other conspirators and or ordinance.
Really want to get any info they can from the kid brother.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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CNN blog:
[Updated 8:13 p.m. ET] A person believed to be Dzhokar Tsarnaev, the suspect in this week's Boston Marathon bombings, is cornered on a boat in a yard in Watertown, Massachusetts, law enforcement officials said.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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The car they highjacked had an interesting bumper sticker.
Why interesting TGT; because anyone who sports a crescent moon must be part of a terrorist conspiracy, or because it's ironic that the hostage has a sticker that spells "coexist"?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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Why the kid gloves? So they can spend $5 million on lawyers and $1 million
in providing him three hots and a cot?
just maybe they want to interrogate him
think?
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Probably been in the boast a while, bleeding out.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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if you want to see the boat look up the coordinates I posted. Gotta go back a couple google earth historical sat images but it is there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Also the possibility of other conspirators and or ordinance.
Really want to get any info they can from the kid brother.
That's bull, these clowns were bush league.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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I suspect the older brother got some training or ideas elsewhere. It is definately enough of a question that it needs to be investigated as much as possible. Pure conjecture for sure.. but not conjecture that it needs to be investigated fully.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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It is pretty clear he got some training in Chechnya. The Russians don't
need our intel on what is going down there.
edit: Those bombs were bush league - no stronger than a hand grenade.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
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More form CNN on older brother. Supports Ron's assertion of jihadist connections:
[Updated 8:32 p.m. ET] FBI agents interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev - the 26-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect killed following a gunfight with authorities overnight - in 2011 at the request of foreign government, an FBI official said Friday. The other government - who the official would not name - suspected that Tsarnaev may have ties to extremist groups. The FBI investigated, including interviewing Tsarnaev, but the matter was closed after no derogatory information was found, according to the official.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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suspect in CUSTODY (police radio)
medic!
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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" There werent that many between Aurora AND Sandy Hook."
Neither of which involved manhunts.
Really, really dumb.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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Thank you, Jeebus. Bush, way bush, thankfully.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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Naw, they prepared for this for a long time. This wasn't just a "hey lets go do this today."
It was planned. Pretty well actually. Not everything went as planned though.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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There may be more to this.
From CNN:
[Updated 8:39 p.m. ET] The FBI took two males and a female into custody for questioning Friday evening at New Bedford, Massachusetts, residence believe to have been connected to Boston Marathon bombings suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, New Bedford Police Lt. Robert Richard said.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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The FBI investigated, including interviewing Tsarnaev, but the matter was closed after no derogatory information was found, according to the official.
well then, NO jihadist connection was found then
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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He's caught.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
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Identity verified
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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The suspect in custody is named after Dzokhar Dudayev, the ex-Soviet Air Force Major General, who was the first president of the breakaway Chechen republic. During Dudayev's youth his family, along with the population, was in turn forcefully deported to Kazakistan. This bombing has deep and complex roots far beyond our borders in an area with a very tough recent history leaving some disaffected refugees vulnerable to radicalization.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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I may well be wrong in my belief these were just disaffected loners. Lot of talk about the older ones trip to Russia and how he was under suspicion of radical connections by the Russians. One thing is for sure though-there should be calls for real comprehensive immigration review and reform from top to bottom.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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Goddamnit Ron.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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well then, NO jihadist connection was found then
Yes, no connection was found then. Assuming, however, that because they didn't find a connection does not mean that there was no connection. It just means they found no connection in those circumstances. Circumstances have changed. Given the past suspicion and the marathon bombings, there may be a connection.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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Brendon and LilaB I am glad you and your loved ones can relax and I for one am joyful that no one was further harmed.
Be well
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
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I'd like to bomb Portugal this time.
Why Portugal? They make nice port.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
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The language gives me a headache.
LOL. That's funny
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
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Well you would have to go back to 1632 Jebus.We did have one real radical- General Jethro Sumner who fought with Washington during the French Indian War and the Revolutionary war. Just about died at Valley Forge.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
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Got the bastard - let the water boarding begin!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
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So glad for Brendan and Lila and that no one else was killed.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
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One thing is for sure though-there should be calls for real comprehensive immigration review and reform from top to bottom.
and just on the other page there was a call to table and cool down all the "rushed" immigration talk
lets see, it has been 25 years now after Reagan gave amnesty to 15 million illegals
isn't 25 years ENOUGH god damn time to cool down the rush and "give it more thought"?
careful, something just might maybe get done, wouldn't want that to happen
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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FYI:
The FBI took two males and a female into custody for questioning Friday evening at New Bedford, Massachusetts, residence believe to have been connected to Boston Marathon bombings suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, New Bedford Police Lt. Robert Richard said.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Rick and i are probably related...
What a shocker that would be.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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We also had a number of scoundrels in the family tree. Some of them would have been better rounded up and deported to Alaska or some other far flung locale. Humor aside, a few weeks of debate about our whole immigration policy wouldn't hurt a thing-that is nothing compared to the 25 years we have put it off.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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ewwwwww jebus thats gross.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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Can not tell you how relieved we are...we can go outside again. What an incredibly strange feeling.
Hey, Brandon, please don't forget to pass along our heartfelt thanks to your friends and family for protecting and keeping us safe.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
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I think I saw d. boone at led zep aręte lookin for the missing bolts
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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Nah Kenny, that was Pocahantas trying to show the pilgrims the way.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
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Sorry
I want this to get some traction so...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
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I'm bumping
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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This
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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So regardless of our individual political/ideological beliefs I think we can all agree that the victims are the tragedy - especially those who lost limbs. I've been to Cambodia and seen the carnage caused by landmines. I also doubt that most of the peeps who are now amputees are rich with incredible health insurance.
Why don't we, as a site/community/campfire, start a fund for the guys and gals who lost limbs. Didn't Russ just do something like this recently for Blitzo or someone? Sh#t I'd happily join in with even evil rap bolters on this!
What sez everyone????
Let's help out!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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Rick and i are probably related...
you guys need the Incest App before you get too serious
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/accidental-incest-app-iceland_n_3114065.html
You meet someone, there's chemistry, and then come the introductory questions: What's your name? Come here often? Are you my cousin?
In Iceland, a country with a population of 320,000 where most everyone is distantly related, inadvertently kissing cousins is a real risk.
A new smartphone app is on hand to help Icelanders avoid accidental incest. The app lets users "bump" phones, and emits a warning alarm if they are closely related. "Bump the app before you bump in bed," says the catchy slogan.
Some are hailing it as a welcome solution to a very Icelandic form of social embarrassment.
"Everyone has heard the story of going to a family event and running into a girl you hooked up with some time ago," said Einar Magnusson, a graphic designer in Iceland's capital, Reykjavik.
"It's not a good feeling when you realize that girl is a second cousin. People may think it's funny, but (the app) is a necessity."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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so fuking what
don't you ever get tired of talking about yourself at every forced opportunity?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
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CAPTURED!!! The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won. Suspect in custody.
— @Boston_Police via web
In our time of rejoicing, let us not forget the families of Martin Richard, Lingzi Lu, Krystle Campbell and Officer Sean Collier.
— @Boston_Police via web
6:21 PM P
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
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well Ron
you MONON
I wasn't talking to or about YOU
grow up
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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So just so you might step out of your individual conversations for a minute,
I'll repeat
So regardless of our individual political/ideological beliefs I think we can all agree that the victims are the tragedy - especially those who lost limbs. I've been to Cambodia and seen the carnage caused by landmines. I also doubt that most of the peeps who are now amputees are rich with incredible health insurance.
Why don't we, as a site/community/campfire, start a fund for the guys and gals who lost limbs. Didn't Russ just do something like this recently for Blitzo or someone? Sh#t I'd happily join in with even evil rap bolters on this!
What sez everyone????
Let's help out!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
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Rick, it would be a short journey
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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what is a MONON?
A person who operates only on Mondays. I think it has to do with union rules or something like that.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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Now for the PLIERS AND A BLOWTORCH!
Yes, let's show the world what a shining example of democracy we are.
Yes they did unspeakable horror. Yes they deserve our derision and to be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law. Life in solitary with no outside communications and access only to books and videos of compassion and love would be my punishment of choice.
Torture only drags us down with the scum that breeds this kind of subhuman. We are more evolved.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Ron,
I prolly tend to lean more to your end of the spectrum on this - centainly more than the typical poster here, but come on, let's change this conversation and try to help out the amputee survivors!
kev
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
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suspect in custody and the Red socks suck again!
When I first saw the suspects' photos, I thought they were probably Yankee fans.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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Red SOX, for Pete's sakes.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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Red SOX, for Pete's sakes.
LOL. You're from Boston. You know what the Red Sox mean up there
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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Ron...Give Carl his cards back...Now..!!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
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All right another torcher subject...glad the Boston popo got the job done...
:-)
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
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Ron,
Let me preface this with the following: I love my country, support it strongly, and am neither a repub, dem, or lib. That said I really don't have a lot of faith in big government to deal with a compensation program for victims. Currently we're cutting travel for key personal on many programs which will indeed cost us more money in the future. We're great at creating overly bureaucratic entities that get lost in the weeds of the rules they create.
That said, this is your thread. Just like I would never want to put up an FA over an existing line I will respectfully (without prejudice) take my idea to it's own thread if you think that's where it should live. This just seems to be a place where the a fund to help out the amputees could gain some traction.
kev
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
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From CNN:
[Updated 9:49 p.m. ET] Suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev is in serious condition in the hospital, Boston police Commissioner Ed Davis said.
But how did law enforcement find suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev? A Watertown resident saw blood on a boat in his neighbor's backyard, Davis said.
"He opened the tarp and saw a man covered in blood," he said. The man retreated and alerted law enforcement.
Despite being bloody, the suspect exchanged gunfire with authorities from his hiding place, Davis said. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the suspect, did not have explosives on him at the time of capture, according to Davis.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Ron,
Yeah, I know - kinda daunting. I am all but too familiar with FAR which although very different, tells me this is tricky at best. But we've got a some lawyers on this site - hell I personally know two that post here. Not saying this would be easy. Just seems like something that might get some traction. Hell us climbers could use some good press too.
kev
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
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Can someone who speaks Ron please interpret his posts? Unfortunately, I only understand English.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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What's happened to the good old fashioned press confrence? You know, the one where actual INFORMATION was given to the press.
Now, all they do is slap each other on the back, and thank all the various government agencies over and over for twenty minutes.
How about this? We only thank the VOLUNTEERS. And we PAY the professionals. You pros, your thanks will be in your mailbox on the first of the month, in the form of a FIVE FIGURE check.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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What's happened to the good old fashioned press confrence?
I think it's the internet. Everything newsworthy is now put out as tweets and live blog posts. By the time they get to the press conference, there's not much left to report. So they use it to thank everyone.
Re: paying the pros - yes. Now that it's over, we can start to save a little money and keep taxes down.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
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Someone's always complaining. The new American way. Shut up and go climbing.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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Ron,
Cool! Just got off the phone - apparently the lawyer I wanted to talk to is in Moab this week. I'm going to poke around with some peeps and look in the logistics for this. I'm also going to talk with some others monday who might have some insight into this sort of thing. I should have more info then.
I think after I collect some data and formulate a viable plan I'll start another post but will cross post some.
Dover,
Cool thanks for the link
All,
Glad we got the bastard.
kev
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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Delhi Dog this morning and 400 posts ago in this shitshow -
Can't wait for the taco stand to wake and give their brilliant analysis.
Man knows this forum.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
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It was an inside job.
Inside America ......
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 19, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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From CNN:
[Updated 10:47 p.m. ET] Boston Marathon bombings suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev is at Boston's Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, hospital spokeswoman Kelly Lawman said.
Meanwhile, Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham congratulated law enforcement on the arrest of the Boston Marathon bombing suspect and noted that the incident should be prosecuted as a terror case. The "perpetrators of these acts were not common criminals attempting to profit from a criminal enterprise, but terrorist trying to injure, maim, and kill innocent Americans," the senators said.
"Under the Law of War we can hold this suspect as a potential enemy combatant not entitled to Miranda warnings or the appointment of counsel."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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I'm glad this is over, and I sincerely hope the political puppet show over this doesn't result in the death of more people.
Are you kidding? it's just starting here in the good 'ol USA. By the yr 2017 u'll see this a 100 times on TV.
All this circus brought on by a couple of teenagers and a rice cooker!
Who ever said " One voice can't be heard?"
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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I guess innocent until proven guilty in a court of law doesn't really matter in this case.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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If Tsarnaev dies in custody, I can see conspiracy theories for a long time. Think about it: a city in total lockdown (Marshall Law, essentially) by police over two unsuspecting Chechens with no ties to much of anything noteworthy, and both dead. Make up you own story that fits the occasion. As horrible as it was, a perfect exercise, of sorts.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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"Under the Law of War we can hold this suspect as a potential enemy combatant not entitled to Miranda warnings or the appointment of counsel."
Nope!
What she said!
Lindsey Graham Should Get A F*#king Grip
GOP SENATOR: Boston Suspect Should Be Held As 'Enemy Combatant' And Should Not Have Miranda Rights Read
This disregard for the US Constitution is far more frightening than anything a terrorist could do.
ANYONE who suggests that suspected terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should not be read his rights as enumerated under the Miranda Warning is an idiot.
Do I hope this guy doesn't "make it"? Of course I do. Do I hate him for what he has done? Of course.
But like it or not, Tsarnaev is an American citizen. He gets due process. That's it.
If we abridge the Constitutional rights of this piece of sh#t, we will be doing more harm than he or his brother could have hoped for.
Everyone is talking about "Boston Strong". If we sell the Constitution down the river out of petty vengence, what is there to be strong for?
Posted by BostonMaggie at 5:53:00 PM
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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Chechyna has been a violent place to live since before the Mongol hordes attacked it in the 13th century to when they fought the Russian army to a standstill in the 1990's. Seriously they did.
The regions leading economic activity is kidnapping for either ransom or selling young women as brides to men they have never met.
Kidnapping victims are rarely killed while government officials in Chechnya who try to stop it usually get a remote-controlled car bomb
for their efforts.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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I'll try, Jim.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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Lindsey Graham Should Get A F*#king Grip
GOP SENATOR: Boston Suspect Should Be Held As 'Enemy Combatant' And Should Not Have Miranda Rights Read
This disregard for the US Constitution is far more frightening than anything a terrorist could do.
ANYONE who suggests that suspected terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should not be read his rights as enumerated under the Miranda Warning is an idiot.
Do I hope this guy doesn't "make it"? Of course I do. Do I hate him for what he has done? Of course.
But like it or not, Tsarnaev is an American citizen. He gets due process. That's it.
If we abridge the Constitutional rights of this piece of sh#t, we will be doing more harm than he or his brother could have hoped for.
Everyone is talking about "Boston Strong". If we sell the Constitution down the river out of petty vengence, what is there to be strong for?
Posted by BostonMaggie at 5:53:00 PM
Ya Well, Jesus said "Love ur Enemies"
I can't help thinking about this 19 yro boy who's brain has been misguided. Body shot up,
Feeling pain, and loneliness and remorse. And all we want to do is kill him.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
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And all we want to do is kill him.
nope
we sure did NOT want to kill him
we could have riddled him with lead at any time when we knew he was hiding in the boat
we wanted him ALIVE
we want to interrogate him, to know everything he knows, who he has talked to, etc
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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^^^Hes a lonely little boy!
What are you going to learn from him you don't all ready know?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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you are joking now Blue
by the way, our intelligence people know exactly what information they want him to tell
because the more we know what he knows, the more likely we are to maybe prevent something like this horror (nice little boy) from happening again
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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you are joking now Blue
by the way, our intelligence people know exactly what information they want him to tell
because the more we know what he knows, the more likely we are to maybe prevent something like this horror (nice little boy) from happening again
Just kill him. I can deasrcibe the obvious later.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
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NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre, fresh off his controversial GOP-sponsored "F*#k The Newtown Families" tour, has weighed in on a brewing controversy surrounding the Boston Marathon bombing: What, if anything, a more heavily-armed citizenry could have done to prevent it.
His conclusion: That since people can personally carry pressure-cooker bombs, they constitute "arms," and are therefore protected under the 2nd Amendment. "The fact is that US and Massachusetts anti-pressure cooker bomb laws have merely disarmed the law-abiding citizenry," LaPierre told a press conference.
"When pressure-cooker bombs are criminalized, only criminals have pressure-cooker bombs."
LaPierre went on to suggest that if the Boston Marathon runners and spectators had each been issued a personal pressure-cooker bomb of their own, that they could have defended themselves against those of the Tsarnaev brothers.
"At least it would have given them a chance to fight back," LaPierre said, noting that a greater number of explosions would have increased the chances of getting the perpetrators. LaPierre also praised a new Texas law spearheaded by Republican Governor Rick Perry barring police from confiscating pressure-cooker bombs or gathering information about them.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
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Gitmo and calls for a separate 'military justice' (an oxymoron at it's finest) simply shows the world we have no faith in our own justice system. It's another sign OBL really has achieved his goal of us destroying our own Constitution and culture.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
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NO MIRANDA RIGHTS
WASHINGTON -- A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.
That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.
The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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no miranda rights
this is so disturbing. worse yet, a very small portion of the population will care.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:04am PT
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Kill him. Remember what he did to a little boy, his sis, and their Mom.
This fuxker put the bomb down that killed little Martin Richard, AND RIPPED THE LEG OFFF HIS F*#KING SISTER!!!.
When are we going to get real about Islamic terrorism? When it kills one of your's?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:04am PT
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Lest you all forget. The real issue here is that some 200 people were either killed or maimed. I doubt that the 19 year old was religious at all.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:09am PT
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because the more we know what he knows, the more likely we are to maybe prevent something like this horror (nice little boy) from happening again
No one can prevent this from happening! And it's going to HAPPEN more,and more!
Jesus said; "God put certain men in political seats and it is for us to follow abiding ly"
You and i are but sheep,and ours is not to question why. Ours is the question of Love Or Hate.
An eye for an eye; or to provide Grace.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:11am PT
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Lest you all forget. The real issue here is that some 200 people were either killed or maimed.
zBRO, I CONCUR!Everyone says ONLY 4 were killed an that's good. And it kinda is, but the "wounded" have lost limbs. They are f*#krd!May God bless them!
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ß Î Ř T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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It bodes well for the kid - he can blame it all on the dead brother.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:16am PT
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[quoteNO MIRANDA RIGHTS ][/quote]
Don't you agree with the way they proceeded?
How would you do it different?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:18am PT
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Bluering:Gimme an example of what you'd call my "lunacy".
see previous, nuff said
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:32am PT
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How would you do it different?
We have a legal system and a Bill of Rights. All Americans have certain inalienable rights. This guy, even if he is proven guilty, is protected by those rights. America is supposed to be different. We are not a mob, we are not a police state under martial law. If we can just throw civil liberties and the rule of law out the window when they are inconvenient, they really are not worth anything at all.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:39am PT
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^^^^ I didn't think libertys were thrown out the window!
I think they were repressed each time that kid through a bomb or bullet at them.
But as soon as he has a wrinkling of consciousness, he'll get stomped with a Miranda!
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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Give me a break. The public safety exeption makes perfect sense. I'm actually shocked that such a common sense law exists. We are all so relieved that he was captured alive. So proud of the way this was handled.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:41am PT
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Wow. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; I guess that doesn't apply here.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:46am PT
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^^^^Yes, Mimi.
Due process.
My entire region is breathing a collective sigh of relief tonight.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:47am PT
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Wow. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; I guess that doesn't apply here.
WTF! As with the Aunt, you'll be provided convincing evidence promptly.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:54am PT
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lol at miranda rights.
I long ago knew i had the right to remain silent. Anyone who dosn't know their rights is a moron. Like I need your idiot ass to read them to me?
Hell I have the right to try to cut out my tongue if I feel like it and you dont stop me.
WHAT THE F*#K IS WRONG WITH THESE SENATORS.
Shall we destroy all that America stands for because some idiots with a bombs killed a few people or will we honor the sacrifice of a MILLION of our fellow contrymen who gave their lives to protect the rights that make AMERICA even worth shedding a tear for???
Now begins the real battle against the forces of evil who will tell you that you need 24/7 camera surveillance and that the UNPATRIOT act is good and should be even better.
LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE
we shall see... last time... not so much.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:56am PT
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What? Please clarify your objections to how the perpetrator's capture was handled.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:59am PT
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So far from what I heard on the scanner live as it happenned.. I have no problem with the handeling of his capture they even called for medical attention immediately... I do have a problem with SENATORS suggesting that this captured unarmed wounded and completely subdued suspect does not have miranda rights. SENATORS!!!!!! who are sworn to uphold the constitution.. the second highest tier of representatives of the people.
And ron I have always cheered your very correct assessment of our current laws. Not often but always
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jstan
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:00am PT
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His wounds probably limited his ability to move more than did the city lock down. But emptying the streets made the manhunt much more effective. The two being sought apparently felt the manhunt was effective and so attempted to make a run.
The throwing of grenades and bombs during the car chase and the many other munitions found suggest to this observer they were not noobs to bomb making. The investigation needs to throw a wide net. I would be very surprised were there less than two uniformed personnel tasked with watching this suspect 24-7.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:04am PT
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Guaranteed he'll get a trial. He is an american citizen and to deny due process would be admission that we're losing to the forces of terrorism as we strip individual rights to battle the unseen enemy. It looks increasingly like the older brother was recruited and corrupted within the last 3 years. The people that have known the two seem to describe them as not anywhere near the kind to have done such an horrific thing.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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I am hopeful from what I have seen that those actually in charge of this persons arrest are much more honorable than the Senators who will be attacking freedom in a much more direct way than these bombers ever did...
The bombers are mere criminals and terrorists.
The Senators sound like TRAITORS. Not run of the mill traitors but TREASON of the highest order. Becuase they are sitting Senators.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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The people that have known the two seem to describe them as not anywhere near the kind to have done such an horrific thing.
A question. Based upon posts here, would the posters on ST all receive a commendation equal to that accorded the 19 year old? Or would we fare worse?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:18am PT
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The older brother had anger issues that surfaced as a recent domestic violence offense. And he was a fighter. A gold glove champ boxer. The younger brother was a wrestler and a friendly scholar. Misguided narcissistic jihad glory seeking resulted in this carnage.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:19am PT
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^^^^ Jstan that's the most spiritual thing IVE ever heard you say.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:19am PT
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A day in the life of the taco stand.
It's morning here and night there.
Brilliant analysis folks, thanks.
Cheers
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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It's being reported that the FBI investigated the older brother in 2011 for 'extremist ties.' What?! This screams PC BS or incompetence or a mental health analysis failure; not necessarily in this order.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:24am PT
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Jstan the commendations all come from interviews by the media of people who have known the two. Here on ST people often can't agree on anything. Climbers are almost universally highly opinionated and vocal, but when the belay is needed the the rancor vaporizes into the mist it is. That is the way it used to be anyway.
P.S. I was referring to what people that knew them from several years ago said
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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WTF are you saying?! You don't think this man is being treated fairly after what he did? You don't believe he'll get a fair trial? Seriously?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:37am PT
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No Mimi I think he will get a fair trial and all his rights preserved.
What I do abhor is that Lindsey Graham a SENATOR is calling for the opposite to even be considered.
This is just the beginning.
Last time we had a major media terrorist attack in the USA we immediately went into overdrive shooting ourselves in the foot as fast as we could and doing more damage to ourselves than even our biggest enemies could have dreamed of doing.
I see no reason to even give one inch of freedom in order to get one mile of security.
Infact I'd suggest we go apeshit the other way... Become truly brave and rescind the UNPATRIOT ACT and any remove the TSA from our airports...
just to say
WE AINT SKEERED
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:38am PT
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Miranda rights are not directly enshrined in the Constitution. They are rights created by case law, implied from the 5th and 6th Amendments. Just as courts have created this right, the courts have modified them.
The exception for public safety came about in a rape case where the accused had an empty holster. When arrested the officer asked the suspect where the gun was, the suspect told him where it was. The gun and the testimony was used against him. The exception is very narrow, and can only be used to glean information that relates directly to public safety.
In this case it is a moot point, there is already a mountain of evidence against the suspect, his testimony/admissions are not needed.
Years ago I had a neighbor who served a stint in prison, Arizona I think, with the infamous Ernesto Miranda. Ernesto successfully challenged his conviction, it was overturned and he was retried and convicted for domestic violence.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:40am PT
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Now that's a novel concept ClimbSki2. It would be great if it became reality.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:42am PT
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Never happen. The line has been crossed. More money that could be used more productively will be steered toward public safety and feel good measures. This recent act did more to counter recent anti-gun efforts than anything I can think of. What odd timing. We live in strange times to say the least.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:47am PT
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It was an inside job.
Inside America ......
Wow specifically vague meaningless statement.....
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:49am PT
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Wow, we even had a guest appearance by Daniel Boone and blue balls.
What a day what a day.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:55am PT
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DD, no kidding. Seeing the Boston locals celebrating this event like it's the World Series or Stanley Cup is perplexing. What are they so gleeful about? Do they have a clue about the gravity of the last few days? It's embarrassing IMO.
Moosedrool: Nothing like a few terrorists to make the national trigger finger itchy. Or don't you think so?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:01am PT
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I'm laughing Delhi even as your sqeezing too hard.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:13am PT
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Damn, I go to see Janis Joplin and you guys are still at it?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:14am PT
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Yea, the boat owner shouldhave pulled out his own assualt rifle and shot the kid for trespassing, and ended it right there.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:20am PT
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You may not know this but Metalica played last night here in the UAE, a Muslim country.
And I'm here watching softball.
I know, it has nothing to do with any of this, butt what the heck, I thought I'd throw that into the mix.
Cheers
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:21am PT
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The problem is not enough guns. Seriously, we need more guns, and we need concealed carry for everyone. Double the amount of guns to 600 million, mandated permitting for concealed carry. Everyone keeps firepower in the car, one on the nightstand, maybe another somewhere by the front door. If they are not loaded they are worthless, so a tax deduction for ammo purchases. Damn, I feel safer already.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:34am PT
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2 million
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:34am PT
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here
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:35am PT
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we come.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:35am PT
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Cheers
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:35am PT
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Kill him. Remember what he did to a little boy, his sis, and their Mom.
This fuxker put the bomb down that killed little Martin Richard, AND RIPPED THE LEG OFFF HIS F*#KING SISTER!!!.
When are we going to get real about Islamic terrorism? When it kills one of your's?
So your solution is to ADOPT extremist islamic law and practices? Because that is what you are advocating, rather than the American rule of law.
Which the islamic terrorists say is just a front for what we REALLY do.
Why do you want to become extremist islamic in our practices?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:40am PT
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Ken, Ken, Ken...consider the source.
That is exactly what blue balls is.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:17am PT
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No miranda rights?
Hey I have an idea, let's adopt Sharia Law!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:42am PT
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I'm happy as a pig in sh#t that they caught one alive.
We had the OKC bombing here, and while there were no tears shed over the execution of Tim McVeigh, with his death went a lot of unanswered questions. Looking back, I wish he was still alive and in a prison cell, like Supermax.
So maybe one day he would break and speak. Terry Nichols got life at the Supermax in Colorado, as did the Unabomber, and I've seen those cells on TV. That does not look like a place to live out a long life. Tiny little sterile cells.
So now that McVeigh has been executed, we will never be certain of the truth, which is mainly concerned with possible accomplices. Nichols was his main accomplice, but he was getting cold feet right before the bombing. It took a lot of work to just put that bomb together.
That bombing was so horrific. I saw the building from a couple of blocks away before it was destroyed, and it was unreal. And there was a day care/ nursery right there. He knew that it would flatten the building, killing hundreds. How can anyone do that? The only good thing was that there were many survivors. The whole city is one or two degrees of separation from one of the deaths or injuries. It injured over one thousand people.
McVeigh used to travel to gun shows and sell this sick book that McVeigh basically imitated. I won't even say the name of the book. If you are a sicko, you can figure it out.
I heard Limbaugh going off on Thursday, comparing this bombing to the old Weather Underground group, one of which is now a professor. Bill Ayers is his name. Limbaugh was trying to paint this as some sort of Obama crap. Limbaugh is a terrible person, but Beck is truly whacko. Fortunately, I rarely have time to listen to the radio.
So within a couple of days, Limbaugh managed to blame this bombing, at least in part, on Obama's acquaintance with Ayers, who ended up as a teacher at a college in Chicago.
Good job taking him alive.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:48am PT
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Dear nutjobs: 2 dudes went nuts. They figured out how to make bombs and get guns. Not hard to do . They caused mayhem. One's dead, the other's not going to see the light of day again. He'll get a fair trial so quit your whining about his frickin Miranda rights. Boston celebrated cuz they were all held hostage. Normal behavior.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:54am PT
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This has been touched on, but the general populace doesn't even care.
After 9-11, we had the Patriot Act, which eroded our 4th amendment rights. It wasn't patriotic at all, unless you think that living in a bubble is OK.
People have such short memories. J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI for ages. He spied on all sorts of people, and had enough files to intimidate others in government.
Now that we have all of this personal data, what will happen if we have another J. Edgar Hoover?
We have to maintain our rights after these attacks. Law Enforcement should not be a net to study every person. The 4th amendment is very clear.
If we weaken our civil liberties, they win. You can't let 2 guys change how we view our civil liberties.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:55am PT
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Crankster: Yep.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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I agree, Base104. The whole event seems insane. Madness on both sides.
edit: Lacey, Nevada? I thought you went to Oregon? Howdy, anyway.
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Lacey
Social climber
Nevada
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Apr 20, 2013 - 10:01am PT
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Exactly Crankster, WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Apr 20, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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no Miranda rights! typical Bush/Cheney behavior!
oh wait...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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So some thoughts from last night about the Police scanner.
I really did struggle with the idea of posting it. Early in the day I felt that Brenden and LilaB had a right to it since they or their loved ones were in the lockdown search area. If it had been me in their shoes I absolutely would have wanted it for any possible timely warning if something was happening on my street. That is also the reason I posted the exact location of the suspect in case LilaB or Brandon's family was anywhere near it. You guys were on my mind all day.
However with he suspect on the loose I did not think it best that I did anything that made it even easier for the suspect to gain information of police grid assignments and such. Also from time to time private SS# information from routine ID checks would be broadcast.
Later as it became clear the suspect was cornered and did not have access to anything except maybe a smartphone It did seem that there was less good reason to not post it. It had become widespread throughout the web and certainly ST would not have been a likely place for the suspect to get info.
I still think it in general is very irresponsible to broadcast these police frequencies for quite a few reasons. The main one being that it can put police at additional risk.
There are some compelling reasons to allow them if the public can make use of the information for their own safety and mental well being. Where that is the case then I think the public's good overrides the police security. Public good being the job they signed up for after all. However even then one must wonder if the public good is being harmed and to what degree by the hampering of the investigation.
I suppose it may be a moot point since this type of info is becoming more and more prevalent.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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I still think it in general is very irresponsible to broadcast these police frequencies for quite a few reasons.
Those scanners for an incident like this don't do sh!t to begin with.
The real communications are all encrypted with secure key loaders that no consumer scanner has access to.
What you are hearing in the clear won't help much at all.
All APCO 25 law enforcement systems have encryption capabilities for real time coms when secure needs arise.
There's other methods also used to remain secure, and I'm not going to into it because it really serves no purpose to the technically challenged here.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 11:38am PT
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I am aware of that Werner but in this case with all the numbers of folks and agencies involved quite a bit of detail was getting through the clear channels. I'm sure you have noticed during ops that protocol is not always perfectly followed by every member.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
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"I suspect the younger brother took his own life once he was cornered."...
I would have thought so also
I guess his will to live another 60 years alone in a prison cell was greater
although bleeding out and close to death he probably did not think about it as a choice
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
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This recent act did more to counter recent anti-gun efforts than anything I can think of.
Maybe. Maybe not. I still haven't seen an inventory of guns the Chechnyans had and how they obtained them. Since gun legislation got bounced at the Federal level, the action will move to the states.
Seems one of the mass shooters, IIRC the Theater guy, bought tens of thousands of rounds on the internet. Some of the legislation, moving through various statehouses would curtail that.
So, you can empty 10,000 rounds out to get the explosives for a bo#mb.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
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Mimi Wrote:
DD, no kidding. Seeing the Boston locals celebrating this event like it's the World Series or Stanley Cup is perplexing. What are they so gleeful about? Do they have a clue about the gravity of the last few days? It's embarrassing IMO.
Really? Let's see a suspect that less than 24 hours ago was throwing EXPLOSIVES and is known to have automatic weapons is loose IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Not the next city over or half way across the nation, we are talking there is a good chance this dude is in your backyard.
You think there might be a little relief and reason to celebrate when he is apprehended? Embarrassed of whom, them or yourself?
I hate to come across harsh, but your statement is the usual hypercritical analysis of a situation from the safety of your own home thousands of miles away kinda thing.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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Glen Beck has given Obama an ultimatum to come clean about the Boston Marathon bombing being an inside false flag op by Monday.
WooHoo and some wonder why the sentient folks think the FoXBaggers are batshit crazy! Go Beck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODZaaMTwfg
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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He is not guilty you should all know that by now.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 20, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
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I like the bombers' uncle - the one who called them "losers". We could use more guys like him here.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 20, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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The interview with the uncle was one of the most raw and honest things I've seen on the news lately.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 20, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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We should continue as we have as a strong nation offering freedom as a way of life because it's working 99.9% of the time, not talk like paranoid losers afraid of fulfilling our nation's creed.
I was thinking about this, earlier. The USA, is built on the premise of assimilating peoples. They become us. They are born here, they are us.
But radical Islam appears to threaten that. They're here, they talk like us, go to our schools, but they are not us. Think about the level of hate and rage it required to set that bomb next to an 8 year old boy, his small Sister and his Mom.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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Stunning copy and paste, I mean, insights.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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These sociopaths had about as much connection with Islam as the Westburough Baptists have to Christianity.
It's radically extreme fundamentalism of all shapes, creeds, colors and sexual orientations that is the disease and like cancer it exists within all humanity.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Think about the level of hate and rage it required to set that bomb next to an 8 year old boy, his small Sister and his Mom. Too bad we can't ask that question of Little Timmy Mcviegh.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 20, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Hey Jebus, nice!
You write good....
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 20, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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Radical anything threatens that is my contention.
Agreed. I'm 64 and as long as I can remember, bombs have been going off, in random places. I don't think anything we do will change that. Make it more difficult perhaps, but not eliminate it.
But Radical Islam is the Flavour of the Month right now. That's where most of them are coming from and more frequently than in any time in our history.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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April 19, 1995: A car bomb parked outside the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City kills 168 people and injures more than 500.
It is the deadliest U.S. bombing in 75 years. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are convicted. McVeigh is executed in 2001 and Nichols is sentenced to life in prison.
the most dangerous enemy to the US is it's own deranged wingnuts.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 20, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
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Like Sandy Hook wasn't an act of terror or the shooting at Virginia Tech?
What the f*#k is really with Ron and his hate towards Islam? He is one sick little scared man.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 20, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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You dumb sh#t...your hate is pretty obvious to everyone.
So you have a royal flush what do you call this hand whack job??
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Over 120,000 dead...but that is OK...a christian president did it...all is good!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Now that i think on it, the last time i actually thought a president to really be thinking was a brief moment when LBJ said in a speech,,"I shall NOT send good american boys thousands of miles from home to do what the south Vietnamese boys should be doin fer themselves"...
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yet that is exactly what Johnson did do, he dramatically escalated our "involvement"
and 50,000 American boys died in Vietnam
guess that President wasn't really "thinking" so good when his actions directly contradicted what he said he would NOT do
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
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Sept 11, 2001,, THE most dangerous day for America since Pearl Harbor. Islamic extremists(mostly saudi) flew planes into the twin towers killing nealry 3000.. Care to PROOVE it? And NO Popular Mechanics doesn't count.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
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Ron wrote: Nope Bob.. I was never for that "war". I too wondered why we were there.
Yes you were...you voted for Bush.
It was a radical christian war...Bush "was told" by God to INVADE Iraq.
It is amazing to see such a devout christian like Cragman encourage killing...just like Jesus would do.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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Uh Cragman, you do realize that he is an American Citizen right?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
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And Coz,, i would love to see hedge go as well. It wouldnt be the first site to boot him..
so what other site did Hedge get banned from?
and it's ok to name it Ron, there are no disclosure rules or laws in play here
so ?
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Gene
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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This one surviving terrorist will have a long list of supporters who feel he deserves his "Miranda Rights", and the right to due process.
As an enemy combatant guilty by his own admission of terrorist acts and capital murder, he deserves NONE of those rights.
Totally disagree with you on this, my brother.
He tried to damage our system, our way of life. He tried to make us tremble in our streets and homes. We can only prevail when we reject the idea that since he didn’t play by the rules, we don’t have to either. He deserves every freaking right available to him. Unlike his consideration for others. He will still go down hard without being sent to GitMo and water boarded.
We have to be bigger and better than these as#@&%es. He and his ilk want to destroy the Constitution. We have to defend it. Rule of law and such. Especially now.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
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Cragman wrote: They lose their rights when they have sided with our enemies, and blown up our children.
So what happens when we blown up other peoples kid? Drone attack...etc.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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Gene wrote: He and his ilk want to destroy the Constitution.
Americans are doing a great job of that. Remember the 2000 election.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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I think people can be wayyyy to much of a dick to Ron and TGT. Mostly Ron, who never says a mean thing to anyone... sure he can be wrong but yeesh, you gotta let a few slide guys. lol.
edit to add:
I genuinely don't feel any better knowing that obviously sick people get treated worse, or tortured, or any of that sh#t. Whatever is wrong with these kids, it isn't something that I will be sated by their pain. That does NOTHING for me. I want them to go away and I don't want to see them again or hear of them. In a dark room in some desert somewhere. Done.
Yes, he should have rights because sometimes, sometimes we get it wrong. Is this a case? No. But it's all or none, no court of public opinion overrides it. Sorry... if for some reason it makes you feel better that we take shortcuts, well I don't see how that changes anything.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
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You're wrong Joe.
We stand up for people who are constantly attacked by dicks.
And you are always dick head toward Ron.
If you were like that towards me all time like you are to him I would have creamed your ass.
You wouldn't know WTF hit you.
We've warned you before and you are now being again.
Tone it down towards Ron.
Make your fuking points but quit being a sh!thead about it ......
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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Banned from Redstate.com?
Ha
That is a badge of honor
They banned my wife after two posts when she
proved them wrong with 3 credible link sources
what a joke
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Gene
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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So where does the picking and choosing of who's eligible for constitutional rights end?
Rule of law and a fair trial is all anyone has. Especially if they're guilty.
I couldn't agree more! If we can selectively waive rights, then no one has rights? Right?
Who are we going to enable to determine if someone has rights or not?
Scary.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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Jim, I believe that as these types of attacks become more and more the norm, new legislation will be adopted to cover this area.....we're already overdue for such.
Just so I'm clear, you are saying that giving terrorists who are U.S. citizens the rights of a U.S. citizen and punishing them isn't deterring enough terrorist attacks? And that capital punishment/harsher sentancing/waterboarding will 'make terrorists think twice' about attacking us?
Four terror attacks on US soil that are as big or larger than the Boston Marathon (Boston, 9/11, Timothy McVeigh and the '93 WTC). Of those, everyone who did it is dead or rotting in prison. I think our justice system is adequate for getting criminals off the streets.
The only way this argument would hold water as I can see is if 9/11 happened because of the lawful treatment of the '93 bombers. Or, that 9/11 might not have happened if we had waterboarded/electrocuted/roughed up the '93 terrorists.
Sounds... plausible? Sort of?
: /
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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citizen-turned-terrorist does that with their alleged acts
tadaaaa
:)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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He does NOT have Miranda rights
got it?
there is a provision that denies him those rights and Obama ordered the justice department to DENY him any Miranda "rights"
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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Hmm what if somehow this guy once heard of the fifth amendment having recently become a citizen and simply shuts his piehole? No one would ever need to mirandize me if I were arrested. I know my rights. They would be stupid not to mirandize me as I would find it antagonistic and my natural predilection to assert my rights would simply go up about 5 more notches.
I really believe that it is better to let a terrorist free or suffer another bombing than put an innocent man in prison or commit torture. I believe this completely and deeply.
I am a risk-taker. Somehow I took the idea of give me liberty or give me death literally. It resonated in me the first time I heard it at an early age.
There is no chance this guy if guilty as it appears he is, will go free. With every miranda right and medical care and if the prosecutors wore pink suits and clown faces. while serving gin and tonics to the courtroom.
It really does matter that once you have captured a human being and they are at your mercy that you show the real strength of what is good by treating them as you would be treated. Give 3 squares and adequate clothing shelter and medical attention. Some physical mobility, and positive mental activity. it's not a lot but it is right and humane.
Given the best legal defense so that none will ever reasonably question the verdict.
This stuff seems so fundamental so much the core of what it means to be able to be proud of your self and your nation. It is more important for us than it is for the criminal.
Whithout these things there is no basis for pride in your country. There is nothing fundamentally good and decent about your nation. You are nothing special no better than a group of savage idiots lead by morons.
Anyways gott finsh packing.. am headed out for a few days to Lone Pine areas for some much anticipated spring climbing on the eastside.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
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Southside climbing in Woodfords canyon was stellar today!
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Gene
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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I guess rights can only be waived for the guilty - before trial.
Hmmmmmm.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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Norton, he does not have them presently, but he will get them. The question is, will we get the information we need before he gets those rights.
wrong
that issue has already been settled, as in the past, irreversible
The Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception, a U.S. Justice Department official says.
That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.
The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court.
The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/20/boston-marathon-miranda-rights.html protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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will we get the information we need before he gets those rights.
Depends on how many toenails he has left, etc.
I'm not pretending that in this day and age, regardless of legality, torture isn't going on.
But we have to 'pretend.'
So no, you shouldn't do that for information. But its going to happen anyway. So f*#k it. Tug on his 'lil piggies, just check their ID before you break out the pliers so we know which bearded brown dude is which.
edit - just after I type this see? They got him in a dark room with a special 'team.' Check the garbage bins for toes, this one'll never see the light of day.
Funny how things work out perfect sometimes.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 20, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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Boston is doing this in their own way, no doubt about that. I can't recall a major city being shut down for an entire day while they look for one guy.
Kind of ironic too. You think of Lib Capital, that's about where you'd put it. But they've got their blood up, they'll shut down the city, suspend his rights, whatever. Get these animals off the streets. There's hope for America yet.
If they get something out of him, that saves other lives, simply cuz they don't read him his rights, I am all for it. The London Marathon is tomorrow. What if his terror cell has something planned?
Though the TV says he can't communicate, so it's moot.
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Gene
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
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that any act of terrorism forfeits all rights. Terrorism defined as mass murder or mayhem, or attempted mass murder or mayhem.
Show me the jury's verdict FIRST!
Do you have any idea how wide you are opening the barn door on this one? Who decides if he's the perp? The prosecutor? Don't work for me.
Wanna waterboard blue jacket guy who was outed by the New York Post a few days ago?
Yeah. He did it!
Sheesh.
I have no sympathy for the 19 year old in custody. If he is responsible, may he rot in SuperMax. Then in hell.
I truly believe that we would be better served by an open trial with a jury of his peers than we would by sending him into the shadows.
My $0.02.
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Gene
climber
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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...sentence him to life reading ST.
Can't do that, Dean.
Blue Jacket Guy is a runner, not a climber.
Cruel & unusual and that sort of stuff.
Wouldn't be right.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
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Innocent until proven guilty, not tortured until the state has what they want.
Everyone is so willing to trust that the media and the Govt have this all correct. Remember the bombing during the Atlanta Olympics? Time showed that they were WAY off base there, but at the time "everyone" knew that Richard Jewell was guilty. In today's world, the government would have tortured him first and found the real perp later.
Is this guy guilty? Probably. But the last time I checked, "probably" did not mean you deserved to be tortured by the best interrogators the US has. I want the individuals who are guilty of this act punished. I just don't want start giving away more of our civil rights and due process in exchange for a possible short-term gain in public safety.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
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^Better yet, Gene...sentence him to life reading ST.
As you know Dean I am against torture...
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Locker, I am the LAST one who wants the guilty to get a f*#king mint on their pillow. I lost people on 9/11. These were people who meant something to me. Friends with numbers that were on my speed dial that will never be answered again. This isn't theoretical sh#t to me. I want the f*#kers who commit terrorism REMOVED!!
However, I do not want my kid growing up in a world where the government can selectively deny due process and civil rights. If that is the only way to be safe, it sounds to me like the cure is worse than the disease.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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No, Ron
the US CONGRESS, you know the ones WE all voted for?, including all the Repubs YOU vote for
those guys, NOT President Obama, voted and passed the Patriot Act
and they also voted yes to the Defense BIll
the President does not have the authority to vote on or pass laws
but you knew that
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
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Ron, McCain, Graham...sore loser extremist, all.
Let justice run its course. Take your pills and shut up.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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I think there is some confusion of what Miranda Rights are (I may be the one who is confused).
I've always understood the intent of Miranda is to ensure a defendant knows their rights, but it neither grants then nor removes them. It only informs them of their rights.
Like it or not that kid has the full protection of the constitution right now. The question is whether he knows his rights or not.
At least that is how I thought it worked, hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
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Thanks Ron, I'll have to dig into that in the future. Too much on my plate tonight.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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That are you fringe lunatics worried about? Suspect ain't going anywhere but to a cold cell forever, at the least.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
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Well Yes Norton, of course that is the way it is. But Obama does have executive powers in dealing with the NDAA 2013 he did not employ. So in a sense,, just like bush before him, owns the new legislation.
ok Ron
NAME these "executive powers" the President has in "dealing with the NDAA THAT HE DID NOT EMPLOY
be specific
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
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There are laws on the books federally in the NDAA 2013 which answers your question. In terrorist circumstances, habeus corpus is kaput..And in fact, he could face a trail by military tribunal too! He could be kept indefinitely with out any "rights" applied..
Ron - do you know if this suspension of rights applies to US Citizens?
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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Dover,,,Yes it does.
Thanks. I am sorry to say I hadn't paid attention to this when it was being deliberated. I will now, though. This is the 5th Amendment. People got so excited over the 2nd Amendment recently. This, to me, is much more serious. It is giving the state far more power than it has had for over 100 years.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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Lets all take a deep breath. Remember, it is 420 after all. I spent the day lounging in my pool. Tomorrow will be on the boat cruising the Delta ripping lips. And the day after? The sun will rise my friends...
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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Ron: The spring striper run is on with the females just starting to show up. I'll be doing some topwater / swimbaits early, then trolling the slack tide. It looks like it is going to be a little slice of heaven!
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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Pilgrims, there is plenty of time now. It will all get figured out, obviously. Due process is everyone's friend, not an adversary of the unlucky.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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The last time haebeus corpus was suspended was by Lincoln, I think, due to the Civil War. I don't think that this 'war on terror' comes even close to that conflict. I felt that the federal government was expanding their authority through the so-called Patriot Act and at the same time restricting our rights in a dangerous way. It really bothers me that this is continuing. Perhaps the Boston bombing case will develop into an opportunity for a fuller public discussion and debate about all this. Don't get me wrong, he should be punished, for sure. But his rights should not be taken away, in my judgement.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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Cragman: I mean no disrespect to what has happened, just trying to lighten the mood a tad. A lot personal attacks and finger pointing going on. I think we all can use a deep breath collectively as a nation.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 20, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
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Hey, if the dude survives in 30 or 40 years the "progressives" will make a college professor out of him..
http://m.nypost.com/;s=O4JROaOEWO0nKCxTqyy5D26;fitScript=0/f/mobile/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/tale_of_two_terrorists_3WtcmY2p7PwFkbO1NheqNL
orty-three years ago last month, Kathy Boudin, now a professor at Columbia but then a member of the Weather Underground, escaped an explosion at a bomb factory operated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village. The story is familiar to people of a certain age.
Three weeks earlier, Boudin’s Weathermen had firebombed a private home in Upper Manhattan with Molotov cocktails. Their target was my father, a New York state Supreme Court justice. The rest of the family, was presumably, an afterthought. I was 9 at the time, only a year older than the youngest victim in Boston.
One of Boudin’s colleagues, Cathy Wilkerson, related in her memoir that the Weathermen were disappointed with the minimal effects of the bombs at my home. They decided to use dynamite the next time and bought a large quantity along with fuses, metal pipes and, yes, nails. The group designated as its next target a dance at an Officer’s Club at Fort Dix, NJ.
Despite the misgivings of some, it is reported that Kathy Boudin urged the use of “anti-personnel bombs.” In other words, she wanted to kill people not just damage property. Before they could act, her fellows were killed in the townhouse explosion. The townhouse itself collapsed; Boudin fled.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Apr 20, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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These days, who are the "progressives?"
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 20, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
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The ones that get us where we want to go.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 21, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Hey, if the dude survives in 30 or 40 years the "progressives" will make a college professor out of him..
As opposed to a criminal like Reagan, Ollie North or Dick Cheney who conservatives revere.
And if we're going to name someone truly dangerous as an enemy combatant then my vote would be for the owner of the Texas fertilizer company.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 01:42am PT
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There's almost zero thought process here.
This thread proves it.
It reaks completely of lobotomized MSM media whores .......
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 21, 2013 - 01:57am PT
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Problem is, you can't prosecute people once the gov't has violated their rights - that's why there's still all those people in Gitmo - the courts would just free them, because their "confessions" were "given" under torture.
A lot of misinformation on Miranda being posted, the above an example.
The only thing that Miranda applies to, is the ADMISSIBILITY of evidence gained from an interrogation. Nothing else.
So, for example, with the GITMO guys, there IS no other evidence, creating a real problem.
With the Boston guy, there is PLENTY of evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt, WITHOUT anything he might say.
They ARE taking a chance on using the emergency exception, in that they have declared the emergency over----so which is it, an emergency, or not?
I think reasonable people would agree that the identification of cohorts justifies the interrogation without Maranda.
However, even if it were ruled that the exception did not apply, the information obtained would STILL be admissible against SOMEONE ELSE, and it might lead to other terrorists planning attacks.
Choosing to invoke the exception is NOT a denial of Constitutional Rights, as this exception is specifically anticipated and covered by the Miranda Rule.
It is no different than the right to free speech, which in not unlimited---such as shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.
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ß Î Ř T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:44am PT
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Look at all the police resources (unmarked cars etc) when it's time to capture the bad guy in front of the CNN cameras and applauding public. They should've used those high paid policemen at the actual (marathon) event in the first place.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:41am PT
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Ron Anderson wrote:
Jeebs,, Obama has increased the Patriot act to its current extreme. See NDAA 2013. And His office just approved the current goings on. No body here gave a rip back when i was complaining about it. Wasnt flattering to the left i guess, although it affects us all...
Bold by me.
You're full of sh#t.
Karl, myself, and plenty others have been railing against the Patriot Act when it was passed over a dozen years ago, where the f*#k were you?
Those same people (including me) also railed against Obama not too long after his inauguration in 2009 for not closing Gitmo, repealing the Patriot Act, etc., and then again bitched and moaned when the NDAA 2013 was passed.
Beyond the world of Supertopo, plenty on the left howled in both 2001 and 2013 and during the twelve years in between. You don't get to blame "the left" for this one since you decided to sit on the sidelines for 12 years with your head up your a*# and your dick in your mouth.
You write a lot of stupid, clearly uniformed posts in here, but hey it's the Internet, right? But the downright deceitfulness and just plain dishonesty in the above post in order to paint yourself as some righteous person and everyone on the left as evil and partisan, well you're just a much dumber, lock-step, piece of sh#t f*#king as#@&%e than I thought.
Trying to score points against the left is just more important to you than honesty, integrity, and facts, eh Ron?
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:50am PT
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Dover wrote:
This is the 5th Amendment. People got so excited over the 2nd Amendment recently. This, to me, is much more serious. It is giving the state far more power than it has had for over 100 years.
Ironic isn't it? Republicans, the NRA, and most on the right howl (with some Democrats on Capitol Hill complicit) when it comes to the second amendment, but are okay with trashing all other rights - 1st, 4th, 5th, etc. (read Patriot Act, Gitmo, etc.) - in the supposed name of security (turns out for all the trillions, it's just a false sense of security at that). All the high-brow talk about defending the constitution, but not one person on the right made a peep in 2001, 2005, and even in 2013 with regard to the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc., etc., etc.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 21, 2013 - 08:51am PT
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Ironic isn't it?
And, scary, too.
I am thinking that we made it through 30-plus years of the Cold War without any need to abridge our rights and liberties. Why now? To me, the potential threat of nuclear annihilation from Russia was far greater than the threat of a few bands of desert rats. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't get it.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 21, 2013 - 09:12am PT
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we made it through 30-plus years of the Cold War without any need to abridge our rights and liberties.
jk, amirite? If you'd been drafted during that period, I doubt you'd say that. Discriminated against due to your gender to start.
Kent State, 1968 DNC etc.
Seems obvious the authorities are concerned about the quality of the evidence. There will be an autopsy to determine the CoD for #1. Possibly, they intend to charge #2 in the death of his brother.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Apr 21, 2013 - 09:14am PT
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Maybe I am missing something, but I don't get it.
Yup. You are missing the fact that if you had an entirely surveiled society with passes to go anywhere and complete control, there is a small percentage of less chance that this would have happened. More importantly, people would feel safer because the government is 'taking care of them'.
I just spent the weekend in Chicago and was shocked (again) at how different life is in a city stacked on top of other people vs. where I live in the bush where I can't even see my neighbor's houses. I'm sure I'd have a different view of things if I lived there too!
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 21, 2013 - 10:50am PT
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:18am PT
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But I'm also seeing, he got kicked out of the Mosque, for trying to outradical the Imam.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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Ron, what size shirt do you and Cragman wear?
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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jk, amirite? If you'd been drafted during that period, I doubt you'd say that.
No, I was serious, but good point - thanks. I had forgotten about the draft, Kent State, and the other things going on at that time. More thinking to do.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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WB gets his info from the Lizard people living in the cave with him
chambers inside his cave lead to the inner earth
Sleestaks?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 21, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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Th answer Cranksters question, the Valley Denizen (or homo foragerus) has slightly more slumped shoulders and sloping forehead. Think half a step from homo sapien and cro magnon. This was an evolutionary development that allowed them to bury their heads in dumpsters to look for cans of unopened cat food.
While unable to use the self checkout at the new grocery stores and satellite TV, they can often be seen soloing grade IV's for breakfast while cubicle pukes like myself slave away 11.5 months a year to come visit their turf.
A strange breed, lad. Yes, quite.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 21, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
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Werner brings up an excellent point about thought process...what's to be gained/lost here and by whom, while, in the meantime, we focus on the latest media event? Bait...switch, divide, control...
edit: whether right/left/false flag/tea party/jihad/Mr Rogers, Allah or Jesus H. Christ is the alleged "perp." this will be/is being exploited for other purposes...but Ron and Joe can sort that stuff...there's a Lost in Space Marathon on cable TV.....
gdavis you obviously have not been paying attention.-see thought process...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 21, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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I am absolutely not paying attention. Should I be?
Much love!
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jstan
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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This thread has become all about us. Sad. We are not that important.
It happens a lot, I think, because we interpret everything in terms of our own past experience. Because we feel an officer once rousted us unfairly, LEO's all become demons. Since we are the only ones who have had our experience it is exactly as though we are speaking a language no one else understands. Each of us is in an endless reinforcing loop, without even realizing it.
We need to start realizing it.
Until we do, we can't make really good decisions.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 21, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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spooey bluey needs a shirt too.
Oh, and the Feds thinks there are up to 12 more in this cell.
of course.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 21, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
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Ah yes...America , the big melting pot or should we call it the big pressure cooker..?
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
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Can we have more info on this Sleestak cell? Should I be worried? I always knew something was amiss in C4.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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Jebus wrote: I can type in "lizard overlords from planet x" and get something. Whackos, dude.
I got someone named Werner.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
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I heard about the 3 people getting brought in, a few days ago. But I'd gotten the the impression they were bycatch. Like a Visa overstay or something, that got caught in the net and not related to this case. But the feds sure aren't talking.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
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I have a question for the TeaNut gallery. If, in your opinion, the alleged -(innocent until proven guilty)- perpetrators of the Boston Marathon bombing are terrorists deserving of the death penalty with out due process, then what are the owner/operators of the fertilizer plant in West Texas?
Job Creators???
And what is the color coordination for todays threat assessment? Are we at Orange or tangerine? I am planning my wardrobe and so hate to clash with the threat assessment hue d'jour.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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Philo...shit talkers...
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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Their advanced lizard weaponry has me changing my upcoming Valley plans. Curse you WB and your Sleestak cell, curse you!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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Michelle, they are well known for their belay skills
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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If you look into the history of that West Texas fertilizer plant and the Corporation that owns it you would clearly realize that it was not an accident, It was an inevitability. Since Corporations are people and people can be executed in Texas will they put it to death for mass murder from complicit criminal negligence?
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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Thanks Kenny, I bet they can be subdued like bees with certain kinds of smoke, thus rendering them harmless. Probably good at carrying loads.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
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It is a surreal and difficult-to-explain dynamic. Americans seemingly place an inordinate fear on violence that is random and unexplainable and can be blamed on "others" – jihadists, terrorists, evil-doers etc. But the lurking dangers all around us – the guns, our unhealthy diets, the workplaces that kill 14 Americans every single day – these are just accepted as part of life, the price of freedom, if you will. And so the violence goes, with more Americans dying preventable deaths. But hey, look on the bright side – we got those sons of bitches who blew up the marathon.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Would have offering my condolences afforded my statements a greater moral stance?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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The feds are talking. They messed up. What's really ironic is how so many people believe our civil rights are being violated and these are the exact guys that should've had a scope up their asses. We were warned and tipped off by the Russians for crying out loud! Have you read what their wonderful mom spewed?! I sincerely feel bad for the FBI on this one. What's really scary is how many others are out there just like these guys. How can law enforcement keep up in a free society like ours? Certainly not by treating proven enemies as friends and fellow citizens.
And some would declare these whackjob bombers be given polite and fair treatment when civility was the last thing on their minds. The 48-hr interrogation clock starts when the asswhipe can start talking. Then he can rot in a cell and have all of the amenities our working poor can't afford.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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Would have offering my condolences afforded my statements a greater moral stance?
It would have been the Christian thing to do Philo,...like like lynching the Evil-doers.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
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We wouldn't be in this mess if there were Jack Bauers around. Wasn't it great how his cell phone worked just about every time when he was in a bind.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
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Hatred for America? WTF? Where?
If a strong desire to hold the USA to a higher standard is hatred then call me a hater.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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How can law enforcement keep up in a free society like ours? Certainly not by treating proven enemies as friends and fellow citizens.
Yes, because police brutality worked so well with the Civil Rights and Anti-war crowd.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Now what sort of pansy-assed spineless twit could say such a thing?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
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Already, more than 30,000 Americans die in gun violence every year (compared to the 17 who died last year in terrorist attacks).
Count em, all of 17 deaths of Americans attributable to terrorism last year.
That is 3 less than the slaughter at the Elementary school in Newtown Conn and only 3 more than the current (to be rising) death toll in West Texas.
Last week, a fertiliser plant in West, Texas, which hasn't been inspected by federal regulators since 1985, exploded, killing 14 people and injuring countless others. Yet many Republicans want to cut further the funding for the agency (OSHA) that is responsible for such reviews.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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If I were working for the NSA and needed to plot behavioral trends in the US, I would hire psychiatrists expert in abnormal psychology and task them with mining the internet.
The internet is a gold mine.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
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Last week, a fertiliser plant in West, Texas, which hasn't been inspected by federal regulators since 1985, exploded, killing 14 people and injuring countless others. Yet many Republicans want to cut further the funding for the agency (OSHA) that is responsible for such reviews.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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So what should be done with and to the owners and operators of the West Texas pressure cooker bomb? Should they be read their Miranda rights? Or should we just go straight to pulling out finger nails, water boarding and electroshocking their genitalia. I mean they have to know something right?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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Locker, I'm so happy for you feeling normal down there. We've all had our chafing problems. If that's what you had that is....
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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they are dead.
As far as OSHA it wouldn't have made any difference.
They are the enforcers of paperwork, signs and placards.
Masters of the obvious.
Since around 1974 in the rare interactions with them, I've never seen one that had a clue what he was looking at.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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Well they sure as hell profited from deliberate negligence.
They also lied about and withheld critical information of what they hand in storage.
12 first responders died because of that negligence.
Where is your famed outrage over the killing of good Americans?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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philo, not so fast. There's no way the local first responders had no clue how much ammonia or any other PSM-regulated chemical quantity was on-site. Let's see what the investigation facts show before screaming criminal negligence. Something horrible happened here no doubt.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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Mimi this company has a dismal decades long track record to look at already.
They regularly lied about what and how much they had on site. They did it so they would not have to file for or comply with federal and state safety regulations. They are corporate terrorists.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
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From the aftermath photos I saw all the Ammonia tanks at the south end were still intact.
This was an ammonium nitrate fire and explosion and it sounds like the local fire department was inadequately trained on how to respond.
You DON'T put water on a pile of burning ammonium nitrate.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
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Ron you are the one who rears the ugly visage of partisanship
I am pointing out the absurdity of Americans responses to these events.
Read the above link.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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Locker, put down the bong and step away from the glue pot.
I've seen them do inspections and it's a joke.
We don't know if it was negligence, arson or someone started his 4:20 celebration a bit early and f*#ked up.
Probably never will know for sure either.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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It was an inevitable disaster and the management knew it, turned a blind eye to it and banked big bucks on it.
Kinetic terrorism.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
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philo, I saw one of the violation stories. I'll read more. You're assuming gross disregard. Didn't half the town work at the plant? Didn't these people socialize and bbq every now and then? You can't tell me that the locals, especially the first responders, had not a clue about the chemical inventory of that site. Poor VFD training speaks volumes. Training is everything in these situations. I'll go to the EPA PSM database and see what it shows for their ammonia inventory.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Comparing apples and lug nuts again? WTF?
Making a profit by knowingly endangering people and the environment is a far greater threat to America and the World than any terrorist cell anywhere. And yet we are expected to stand by in mute acceptance of the moral authority of the hallowed "job creators".
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Here is something I find interesting. How is it that the governor describes this in such detail, including saying he didn't react to the first explosion, then admit he hadn't seen the video?
WASHINGTON — Surveillance video from the Boston Marathon attack shows one suspect dropping his backpack and calmly walking away from it before the bomb inside exploded, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said Sunday.
The video clearly puts 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at the scene of the attack, Patrick said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
“It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion,” Patrick said. “It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly.”
Patrick said he hadn’t viewed the videotape but had been briefed by law enforcement officials about it.
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mass-governor-says-he-has-no-idea-what-motivated-boston-marathon-bombers/2013/04/21/bb41c8ce-aa82-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.html?tid=pm_pop&Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
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Locker, we used udder balm on the farm but this is another useful product for your little problem. I know you'll love it!
Great name for a chimney too!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
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Or we could exercise extraordinary rendition on them. Take them away to a dark hole, torture them till they admit to what we want them to then execute them as an example to others.
Or we could award them with the Chamber of Commerce medal of honor.
Or we could force them to listen to nothing but Justin Beiber.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
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Can we please stick to ointments.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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Yeah, bag balm. That's it. That'll salve the problem.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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We need federal standards for shoe de-lamination!
Stiff penalty's for shoe mfrs and resolers!
(won't matter if they left their shoes in the trunk in Phoenix for a week.
Can't prove that!)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
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Here is your smoking gun or should i say pressure cooker parts.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/04/west-fertilizer-violated-federal-anti-terror-regulations
West Fertilizer Violated Federal Anti-Terror Regulations
[ 42 ] April 21, 2013 | Erik Loomis
Does it go too far to call the West Fertilizer Corporation a terrorist corporation for its actions that led to the explosion that has killed at least 14 people so far, a number that could still go higher, and destroyed much of the town of West, Texas? Perhaps it goes too far to use such a term. On the other hand, the West Fertilizer Corporation actually violated federal anti-terrorism law:
The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
Yet a person familiar with DHS operations said the company that owns the plant, West Fertilizer, did not tell the agency about the potentially explosive fertilizer as it is required to do, leaving one of the principal regulators of ammonium nitrate – which can also be used in bomb making – unaware of any danger there.
Fertilizer plants and depots must report to the DHS when they hold 400 lb (180 kg) or more of the substance. Filings this year with the Texas Department of State Health Services, which weren’t shared with DHS, show the plant had 270 tons of it on hand last year.
A U.S. congressman and several safety experts called into question on Friday whether incomplete disclosure or regulatory gridlock may have contributed to the disaster.
“It seems this manufacturer was willfully off the grid,” Rep. Bennie Thompson, (D-MS), ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, said in a statement. “This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up.”
That’s a pretty incredible violation. It’s hardly the only problem with the plant. Last summer, it was fined $10,000 for safety violations, although that was reduced after the company ameliorated the problem. It last received an OSHA inspection in 1985, when it was fined $30. The town itself is devastated, not only because of the 14 dead but because of the destruction of its infrastructure.
So what punishment should the owners of the West Fertilizer Corporation receive? Should they be treated like other violators of anti-terrorism law? They killed far more people than the Tsarnaev brothers. Should they be charged with murder? Should they even serve prison time? It’s highly unlikely that even the latter will happen given the amount we excuse anti-social corporate behavior. Corporations now have free speech rights but they don’t have personal responsibility.
Of course, the real question is how many other ticking time bombs are in communities around the nation? There are few industries with the potential for massive disaster of fertilizer, but between petroleum, chemicals, and mining, there are all sorts of communities suffering from enormous environmental and workplace safety problems. Grain elevators with poor safety standards litter much of the nation. Then there’s industries most of us don’t even think about, like fertilizer. Without a far more vigorous regulatory structure with real consequences for corporations, workers and communities will continue to bear avoidable burdens. It might be a long time before we see a workplace disaster this bad again (although it will eventually happen in coal), but smaller disasters will kill 1, 2, 5 workers in various places, while the poor will contract cancer, black lung, and other diseases from their inability to escape exposure to industrialized nature and the consequences of corporate malfeasance.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
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Well by Rong standards all Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims are labeled terrorists.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
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philo, wait a minute. So what if the inventory didn't get to DHS? The amount filed with the state was around 540,000 lbs. DHS isn't responsible for first response, the states are under federal guidelines. Am I missing something here?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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I said radical islamists ARE terrorists. No matter where they be.
Hmmmm, there are lots of people of differing colors that "believe" in radical ideology. But don't you have to actually plan, participate in or carry out an "act" to be a terrorist?
Here's the good ol' Websters definition:
A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.
USES....
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
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Yes Mimi you missed the part about how the company regularly withheld information for profit. And how they even knowingly violated anti-terrorism laws.
Ron cut the crap. It is so very convenient for you to say "you never heard me say that". But that is a lie, a bald faced lie. You gloss through these condemnations of yours with thinly veiled euphemisms.
Without saying it you consider all of Islam to be a radical sect of hate filled terrorists.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
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So Mimi, are you suggesting an ointment in the event of a Sleestak attack?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
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philo, the point remains that the local responders had responsibility to be properly trained in dealing with this type of emergency. Sorry if I implied that the company is not an alleged bad actor. And the government had the responsibility to enforce the law if the company was violating the law.
Michelle, only if the Sleestacks overuse their horns. You'll have to consult with the all-too-trusians of which philo is one. Or is he?
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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ATTENTION! Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the islamic terrorist, is still dead.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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The hatred is mainstream.
You could come up with multiple daily examples, but here's just the first one I ran across today.
110 out of 150 Jordanian parliament members are calling for his release.
In the wake of the 1994 Israel-Jordan peace treaty, the confluence of the Jordan and Yarmouk rivers, (Naharayim – two rivers in Hebrew) was reserved as a tourist site and named optimistically “the Island of Peace.” It was under Jordanian sovereignty but developed and maintained by several Israeli kibbutzim. It was ironically there that a Jordanian corporal, Ahmed Daqamseh, opened fire on Israeli children from Beit Shemesh during their school outing.
He killed seven 13-year-old girls and wounded others.
Daqamseh was sentenced to seven life terms, which in the Jordanian context means 25 years in prison. Yet he is far from being disowned and condemned by his compatriots.
The reverse is true. There has been continued overt and vociferous agitation for his release and he is often out-rightly celebrated as a hero.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Outrage-in-Jordan-310503
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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Wow TGT. If only he'd used pressure cookers instead of bushmasters. Then he would have been recognized as the monster he really is.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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No it is Smartphonephatfingeritis.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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Thanks Mimi, I'll keep that in mind.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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But I can't be illiterate I have a smartphone.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
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Worse than 9/11? The whole town wasn't the number of souls lost on 9/11. Based on the 12-mile shock wave CNN showed, time of day didn't matter.
You guys are missing the point. The fact that the company didn't fill out a piece of paper showing what was on-site to DHS would not have saved these lost lives. The fact that OSHA didn't shut these guys down is the point. If they were so out of compliance, they should not have been operating. I guess you guys have the same attitude about gun violence.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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I think Michelle's onto something here.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
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TGT it's STILL fuking getting to me...
LOL!!!...
do you have an OSHA approved ventilation system?
(that wouldn't be any fun!)
A written HAZMAT cleanup procedure in a three ring binder, just in case you jiz in the floor and miss the shoe?
How about the correct NFPA placard on the side of the building?
A Written procedure for cleaning the blue butt plug?
:-)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
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The fact that the company didn't fill out a piece of paper showing what was on-site to DHS would not have saved these lost lives Possibly not. But what about the thousands of other similar sites around the country? Is it possibly a good idea to check and regulate them?
Mimi I think that you will find if the story is allowed to come out that this company is criminally complicit in those violations. They have had a lot of powerful friends in the government during the Bush administration that kept the regulators away.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
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One for TGT, Love Canal.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
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[Possibly not. But what about the thousands of other similar sites around the country? Is it possibly a good idea to check and regulate them?
Mimi I think that you will find if the story is allowed to come out that this company is criminally complicit in those violations. They have had a lot of powerful friends in the government during the Bush administration that kept the regulators away.]
Are you kidding me? philo, you are beyond help. Obozo has been in power for a few years now. EPA has been on the warpath. You're blaming W?! Our society is yoked by the regulators you're complaining about. If the government was doing its job, this type of thing wouldn't be happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that they were not lacking a BBP cleaning SOP is damning however.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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Uhh. That sounds assbackwards. But we are discussing the government.
We wouldn't have regulations if everyone always did the right thing.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
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Three NOPE!s and yer, out!
The federal pen for you.
(No need to bring the Butt plug with you, just don't drop the soap!)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
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Don't get your narrative in a twist Mimi. The Deregulation that enabled elimination of and the lax enforcement of regulations that led to this disaster occurred by design during Bush's two terms. This disaster is a crime of unfettered free enterprise. What West Texas could use is an Erin Brockovich. Nail these corporate scum to the wall and flog them dry.
Our society is yoked by the regulators you're complaining about. If the government was doing its job, this type of thing wouldn't be happening!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mimi reread this statement then analyze it for faulty logic. Oh and say hi to Steve.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
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Mimi: The fact that OSHA didn't shut these guys down is the point.
Total claptrap - conservatives have waged a thirty year war on 'the guberment' and 'guberment regulation'. In the course of that they have attempted to hamstring regulatory agencies in any and every way they could think of from withholding funding to blocking appointments to narrowing their scopes of authority.
Any effort to push to tightly regulate any Ag-related industry would be met with absolute howls from the right all but claiming a violation of the second amendment. The bottom line is conservative greed puts more American lives in danger in any given year than all the terrorists on the planet and that's without even getting into how many of those terrorists are generated by that same greed.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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^^^^ Exactly
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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philo, your position is not entirely accurate. I used to believe that the administration had control over enforcement. If you review EPA's enforcement history over the last many years, you'll see this is not the case. Are you saying that this podunk plant was able to skirt EPA Region 6 and OSHA because the facility is in TX so it's 'protected' by GWB? Until we read the final report, we can only speculate.
Joe, that's a really nice spout if I ever saw one.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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Not quite, Locker. I was trying to be nice considering the BS flying around.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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Didn't seem to me that Tim McVeigh was Muslim. . .
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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Where's Klimmer? Wasn't there an Iraqi Intelligence link to McVeigh that was covered up?
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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Why can't we all just get along?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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Total claptrap - conservatives have waged a thirty year war on 'the guberment' and 'guberment regulation'. In the course of that they have attempted to hamstring regulatory agencies in any and every way they could think of from withholding funding to blocking appointments to narrowing their scopes of authority.
Any effort to push to tightly regulate any Ag-related industry would be met with absolute howls from the right all but claiming a violation of the second amendment. The bottom line is conservative greed puts more American lives in danger in any given year than all the terrorists on the planet and that's without even getting into how many of those terrorists are generated by that same greed.
Yeah, more gov't regulation will keep us safe....
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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All you idiots made this govt.
And now you talk sh!t about it.
Americans are so stooopid .....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 21, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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I love Israeli's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S-VzAWJ1yK4
Also, for all you people who say WE are no better than muslim terrorists in killing the innocent, please check your fire. And when you insist WE have to feed starving African kids, can we shoot the as#@&%es starving them? How about the poor children who are deprived, can we shoot the mother-f*#kers blowing up their schools?
I'm so tired of this moral equivocation. We are better, and we try to help people who suffer from evil.
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salad
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
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i hate rye, but i also like it.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 21, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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Guys commit the crime on Monday and are dead/captured Friday. Yet you antigovernment extremist do nothing but complain. Nuts.
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
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Locker, I was joshing you. And trying to clarify mud.
Werner, ain't you an American? Or do you want no part of this illusory thought projection we're struggling with? LOL!
Had a great rye on Friday. Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 21, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
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Werner was an American but in his new life , a duck...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 21, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
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But ducks can fly.... that's pretty bad ass.
Some people climb for 10 years t be able to climb El Cap and a duck can fly up it just to have a prettier place to take a sh#t.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 21, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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Crankster wrote: Guys commit the crime on Monday and are dead/captured Friday. Yet you antigovernment extremist do nothing but complain. Nuts.
And Bid laden went 10 years before Obama got him...and the as#@&%es still complained.
They live in an ass-backwards world. Right is wrong, wrong is right.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 21, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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Guys commit the crime on Monday and are dead/captured Friday. Yet you antigovernment extremist do nothing but complain. Nuts.
You idiots will never understand the role of gov't. It worked well. It did it's true job. Protecting the innocent from those who would attack it.
Gov't did it's job, nice work FBI!!!
EDIT: only failure? The rat is still breathing....
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
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blue not to many critters more vicious than a cornered rat.
Boston police chief said (not in so many words) that the younger islamic terrorist brother may have intentionally
ran over his older terrorist brother to deny the police a live capture and any intel they might gain.
Tamerlan was handcuffed laying prone in the street, shot twice but still alive, while police had only seconds to jump out of the way of Dzhokhar
in the deadly SUV.
He then stopped just 200 more yards further then abandoned the SUV to run into backyards, which he could simply have done without running over his brother in the street. A rat indeed.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 21, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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blathering asked in another thread
Gimme an example of what you'd call my "lunacy".
look in the mirror you are truly the biggest "IDIOT" of them all
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 21, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
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You have your own murdering savages
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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just kids being kids
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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He then stopped just 200 more yards further then abandoned the SUV to run into backyards, which he could simply have done without running over his brother in the street. A rat indead.
Really, but then he'd be 200 yards closer to people with guns. Maybe he couldn't get there without driving thru the people. Maybe he didn't know his brother was there or couldn't avoid him or thought him dead. Maybe they had a pac about not letting the other get captured.
Making assumptions that someone has a chaotic, highly stressful, situation all mapped out is stupid.
They were already rats when they started their plan, no need to fantasize further.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Apr 21, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
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Sen. Feinstein: Calling bombing suspect enemy combatant is ‘unconstitutional’
http://www.examiner.com/article/sen-feinstein-calling-bombing-suspect-enemy-combatant-is-unconstitutional
\Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) stated on “Fox News Sunday” that she disagreed with some prominent Republicans in their labeling of Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as an enemy combatant.
"I do not believe under the military commission law that he is eligible for that. It would be unconstitutional to do that," said Sen. Feinstein. "It should likely be a death penalty case under federal law," she added and used underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab as an example of an earlier successful conviction.
"Let me say this...one of the great things about America is that we come together at times of trial," said Feinstein. "I very much regret the fact that there are those that want to precipitate a debate over whether he's an enemy combatant or whether he is a terrorist, a murderer, etc."
On Saturday, Senators Lindsey Graham (R-S.C), John McCain (R-Ariz.), Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said in a statement that Tsarnaev is “a good candidate for enemy combatant status.”
Feinstein, chairperson of the Senate Intelligence Committee, noted that law enforcement officials are busily building a strong case against Tsarnaev, and she expects him to be convicted in a civilian court. She pointed out that fingerprints, eyewitnesses and discussions the Tsarnaev brothers had with acquaintances would provide powerful evidence for a civilian case.
Feinstein said that she agreed with President Barack Obama’s decision to utilize a public safety exception to interrogate Tsarnaev instead of immediately reading him his Miranda rights.
"The Miranda rights can be read at a later time. He (Tsarnaev) has reportedly been shot through the throat. He's intubated. He can't talk now. So there is time to do the investigation, to make a clear assessment and to move from there," stated Feinstein. "I really regret all of this discussion, which is creating a conflict that need not be there. The administration is ready for this."
Tsarnaev remains sedated at a local Boston hospital awaiting various charges by federal and state authorities.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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Who here knows any details of the FBI raid on Snow Creek Cabin near Mt. Watkins on the Weathermen? About all I know is it supposedly happened.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:02am PT
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And people like Bob and Crankster live in a world where ripping legs off children is cool! Killing 8 year olds is acceptable.
You and your friends need to reevaluate.
That mother-f*#ker should be deader than his brother.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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They definitely were not Secular Progressive Liberals, right?
That is your answer to it all? Really? Do you know anything of history?
Stop. Think.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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I'm frustrated. You people are crazy.
I cannot use logic where it does not exist. Have a good night.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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Chief Davis won't speculate but he said the kid's injury is a bullet hole inside the mouth and exiting from the neck. Blue may be on target to play the role Ruby played.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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morans
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:18am PT
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Blue is just another right wing whack job with the brain of a grasshopper.
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burntheman
Trad climber
slt
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:20am PT
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not an enemy combatant??? go on....
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:20am PT
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I cannot use logic where it does not exist.
One can only assume you are referring to the void between your ears.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:23am PT
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Damn! Now we are going to get forty vitriolic posts defending grasshoppers.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:25am PT
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Poor coz doesn't understand...
There are good Americans and bad Americans...
Conservative Americans and Liberal Americans...
Christian Americans and Muslim Americans...
blurring and the rest of the morans simply interpret the constitution to protect the rights of certain Americans... the way the founding fathers intended.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:51am PT
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Would it be a safe bet that the fed agent who had a sit down interview
with Tamerlan in 2011 and did not make the connection is looking for a new job?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:56am PT
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Apr 21, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Poor coz doesn't understand...
There are good Americans and bad Americans...
Conservative Americans and Liberal Americans...
Christian Americans and Muslim Americans...
blurring and the rest of the morans simply interpret the constitution to protect the rights of certain Americans... the way the founding fathers intended.
Mecrisp: do u understand?
I don't think u even know what ur saying.
Do u really think blurring is a Christian because he says he is?
Forrest Gump said it best, stupI'd is as stupid does
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John M
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 02:21am PT
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I'm just amazed at the same old people making the same dam arguments day after day. Left this blah, blah blah, right that , blah , blah, blah...
The surviving brother is an American and should be treated as such.
If we throw away all that we stand for, in the name of protection, then we simply become the very thing we are fighting against.
Is it so hard for people to understand that fighting terror with terror is only creating more terror.
totally agree. I can barely read this thread with all the venom being tossed around so causally. . 3 people died, followed by a massive massive manhunt. Meanwhile in China 208 people died in an earthquake. And something I don't remember, they had an earthquake in 2008 where 70,000 people died. Thats hard to even fathom.
The disconnect in this world is just so strange. Minute by minute coverage with fulltime video versus one news story.
Every day 27 people die in America from drunk driving crashes. Many of them not the drunk driver. Every DAY..
I'm not taking anything away from how terrible this was, but some of you people need to get a grip.
Go climbing or something. Or better yet.. go volunteer somewhere. Do something productive rather than sit here bitching at each other. I mean really..
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 22, 2013 - 02:28am PT
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Now now, that may be going to far. Go climbing?! Haha! I want to hear about the self inflicted....... Must have been a ballistics test....power burns etc. That's an interesting new angle.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 22, 2013 - 05:59am PT
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After 911's botched follow-ups of warnings from foreign governments, an Iranian jailed in London, and our own FBI agents, it's more than a little disheartening that this time we still screwed the pooch after such explicit warnings from the Russians over what will no doubt be 'cultural differences, long agency histories, and our somewhat schizophrenic stance on all things Chechnya.
I mean, just how much more explicit does the beta have to get before you can get the job done? It's a classic case of bureaucratic snafus that totally gives lie to all the conspiracy theories which all seem to rest on a hyper-competent government. It's simply not the case.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:36am PT
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Coz has it right. You people are beyond pathetic. a bunch of complete wingnuts.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:45am PT
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Coz has it right. You people are beyond pathetic. a bunch of complete wingnuts.
that was a sweet insult, tradman.
you should copyright it.
man, the shame you just cast
upon my shoulders!
absolutely crushing.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:40am PT
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^^^
Heh.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:40am PT
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And people like Bob and Crankster live in a world where ripping legs off children is cool! Killing 8 year olds is acceptable.
What are you talking about, you idiot? I'm the one saying it only took authorities a few days to catch these creeps so everyone should chill out and be happy about that.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:47am PT
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That article was interesting. Nice to know there's more of them.
I'd like to know how many of these Chechnyans there are in the U.S. and how he paid for the bomb. Was he living off a Government check? Did that buy the Pressure Cooker? Dunno how you keep a job spending time Boxing and in Russia.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 21, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
And people like Bob and Crankster live in a world where ripping legs off children is cool! Killing 8 year olds is acceptable.
I am not exactly sure where you are coming from Bluering but it certainly isn't from a clear grasp of reality.
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ec
climber
ca
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:07am PT
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...morans... - mechrist
Ahem...
I'm with Coz.
ec
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:28am PT
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:33am PT
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I think that photo of the guy with a baseball cap on backwards, sunglasses, and what looks like a Middle Eastern goatee, and especially the t-shirt that says "Yer gonna die", that guy is shady. Waterboard him. He just might let out some secrets. ;-)
That mustache looks suspicious too.
As my old grand pappy said: "If you smell something funny, look to your mustache". Okay I think I stole that line from a Maverick episode.
Now that my thread drift is over, Miranda Rights, hmmm, needed but in this case?
Will the perp talk? My gut feeling is that his brother led him into this by the nose. Doesn't make him anymore innocent.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 22, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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Howdy Ron, you go on about your Choctaw heritage. Does that mean that you are 100% Choctaw?
Or is it a case of some European settler messing with a Choctaw woman. I admit, in my case the 1/16th Cherokee (documented, certified... like I am certifiable, just in another way, hah hah), most likely was a result of my ancestor messing with a Cherokee woman. The Sawyers came to America in 1640, plenty of time for screwing around, so to speak.
My point is, you do come across very, I don't like using the word racist, because we are all one race, homo sapiens, but very bigoted. Perhaps you are not a bigot. I don't know, but your discourse would make me think so.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 22, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Choctaws have been living in Oklahoma since the late 1800's when they were all shipped here. I live in the Chickasaw Nation, and growing up it was a big plus if you were Indian. Everyone thought it was cool.
There are very few pure blood Chickasaw's left, but there are a ton of people who have Chickasaw blood. In Oklahoma there is basically no racism towards Indians (my Pawnee attorney said they prefer the word Indian to Native American).
It is the same with all of the "five civilized tribes." That is what they are called. Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, Cherokee, and Creek. I had a great grandmother who was Creek.
One of my best friends is full blood half Otoe and half Pawnee. When he goes to the sundance and tells them he is Pawnee, all of the other tribes kind of give him the look.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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Leftie, Enviro-nazi terrorist.
On May 24, 2012, Kaczynski submitted his current information to the Harvard University alumni association. He listed his eight life sentences as achievements, his current occupation as prisoner, and his current address as No. 04475-046, US Penitentiary—Max, P.O. Box 8500, Florence, CO 81226-8500
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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A couple of samplings of funny rants from Boston.
Supertopo is has become so sterile, bland and full of stupid donkey dicks with no imagination.
Where is Russ W. ???
3 > 2 > 1 any minute now some moron here will lose it again over this.
It is amazing. The Pacific ocean is basically dieing off right now from unrelenting nuclear contamination. The amount of cancers, birth defects, and general f*#ked up sh#t that will be occurring over the next decade will be unheralded in the history of our failed species on this planet.
F*#k Einstein! and F*#k Oppenheimer! Those f*#king c#&%s f*#ked this planet up way more than any of these rag tag kids from some central Asian backwater.
Here's the thing, Einstein is supposedly "super intelligent." Well guess what? If you invent something that leads to your own species extinction? You're a f*#king a failed mutation. Clever? Sure. Wisdom & intelligence? Negative.
Time to re-write the history books. Einstein (and that little devil man Oppenheimer) were failures. Humanoids. They look and act like humans, but fail the test.
You want to know who was a hero? Who was a real human? Linus Pauling.
Linus Pauling was asked to participate in the Manhattan project, but he turned it down. He saw the writing on the wall and said "no thanks." (He also won two nobel prizes back when they meant something.)
On the plus side, Friday I cashed my ghetto pay check for fixing up Section 8 apartments while the fat, cig smoking, Pepsi guzzling, Iphoning slaturns occasionally lifted their dim orbs off Jerry Springer on the flat screen.
I went to Tiki Port, drank and ate $80, then later, after Chatham and Welfleet, hit the fatigue/booze wall at The Old Colony Tap, PTown. I couldn't understand the Irish tourists ..
..But the best? No cops. Nada. Not a cruiser. Like the old days.
(Bad part? I don't have the multi day drinking legs I used to.)
Anyway, is there a better pro victim, America sucks, unarmed fat pussies then Boston? ( Little Italy, Charlestown and half of S. Boston excepted. )
All Sheeple stay in your tax harvest pen.
"All Sheeple stay in your tax harvest pen." LOL
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
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BREAKING NEWS! Muslim Terrorists Are Still Responsible For Boston Bombings.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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poor werner.
a prick with no present,
only a spotty past upon which
he heavily leans.
im worse off for knowing him.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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Can we all show a little solidarity today and respect the moment of silence when it happens in just over an hour?
2:50 EST.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Don't worry Coz only fools fall for it.
And it took a few seconds .... LOL
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 22, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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How did this thread deteriorate in to name calling?
Shame on some of you. That said, I am no better than most.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 22, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
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DR F, yeah, I see your point, but sometimes it can get nasty. Uncalled for. Bantor is one thing, but vile is another.
DR F, should I delete my posts? Seriously. Should I? All I pointed out was... not much.
But civility. And I have posted some stupid things on threads in the past. Mea Culpa.
Now I am going bouldering in the Quarry. While the sunshine lasts (and no rain), though I do need to mow the lawn while it is dry. Decisions, decisions, decisions, when will I win the lottery?
But I will be thinking of those people whose lives were altered by some nut cases.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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Im sure hollyweird is chompin at the bit for a "movie of the week" though.
For a minute, Ron, you were sounding like a reasonable person. Then ya go all tea party.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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Funny that you don't realize YOU have already made it the movie of the week.
Thanks for watching...
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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Im sure hollyweird is chompin at the bit for a "movie of the week" though.
Probably, but the key is to not watch tv.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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So that issue is put to rest as he will be tried as a citizen in Fed Court. He has been assigned three Defense attorneys..In ways im happy and ways im not.
I'm glad to see this. In times like this, we are always best guided by our principles. Agree with you though on the drone attacks. That seems like we are bending principles for some political/private agenda.
If he is not charged as an enemy combatant, it suggests that he is not well-connected to the jihadist/al queada. I know his website has a few links, but otherwise, those connections seem thin. This formal charge would also suggest that?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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It's the right and the left thing, it's the one true God thing, the black and the white thing...
We are all climbers and we have lost a great one today.
The bomber will get a fair tr[ia]l, so maybe that's a start in the right directions.
Being American is about loving freedom, and accepting all peoples, perhaps we should try and act like Americans.
Well put, Coz. While we accept all peoples, we don't accept all actions. By concentrating on the surviving actor, we're finally treating this the way we should.
To me, condemning ethnic, racial or religious groups, rather than individuals or actions, really epitomizes being un-American. I resent trying to tar all Muslims with terrorism as much as I resent those who would tar me with the brush of Westboro Baptist Church, just because I'm a Christian.
John
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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In ways im happy and ways im not. We DRONED an american citizen elsewhere (whom hadnt comitted such acts),
Radical Islamists remember Ron? All terrorists, no matter where they are.
Your words.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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The federal courts have done a fine job prosecuting terrorists and will no doubt to do so in this case. The whole "enemy combatant" nonsense is totally unnecessary.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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Right wing, left wing, rants and name calling-another day in "as the taco turns". It's a good day for america though because the perp was charged in civilian court. Regardless of the lax and stupid immigration policy that basically invites in, few questions asked and with full public assistance, political asylum refugees from areas deemed strategically important in the ongoing geopolitical gamesmanship, we as americans gain by not having the right of fair trial stripped from us, at least in country.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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Radical Islamists must Die, no matter where they be, right Ron?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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You didn't say Al-Queda Ron. You said radical Islamists.
Another dirty Radical Islamist.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
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Im just left scratching my head at political games
Do you mean the political games in which you send a machine to remote part of the world to kill a person dedicated to destroying the US, rather than spend the time/money/life capturing the fukhead... but give a fair trial to someone they already have in custody in the US?
It just doesn't make sense!
Unless of course you think about it.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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It just doesn't make sense!
Unless of course you think about it.
LOL! I'm shamelessly adding that to my quiver, Wes. I also think it belongs on the ST Entertainment thread, so I added it.
John
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
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Breaking News!
Left wing extremists make the error of thinking that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.
Frightening that the Left actually is depressed that the Boston Bombers are exposed as Islamic Terrorists and not members of their enemy the Tea Party.
The only thing worse than terrorists are Lefty apologists for terrorists.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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Frightening that the Left actually is depressed that the Boston Bombers are exposed as Islamic Terrorists and not members of their enemy the Tea Party.
Sounds like some bs you heard Limbaugh spew. Try thinking for yourself.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
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Question: Have they released video footage of the two suspects showing them actually placing the bombs into the trash cans? I haven't seen that and wondering if I missed it.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Frightening that the Left actually is depressed that the Boston Bombers are exposed as Islamic Terrorists and not members of their enemy the Tea Party.
Do you really think that? Wow. What led you to that conclusion?
Please, do tell. Cite sources to keep it reputable, if you don't mind.
Thanks!
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
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It has been confirmed that he will NOT be treated as an 'enemy combatant,' due to his being a US citizen.
Don't matter. Kid's never going to get out of a small cell, unless he's executed. Only ones making a stink about this are righties like Lindsey Graham up for election against someone more nutty than them.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
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Sounds like some bs you heard Limbaugh spew.
Nah, just the keyboard musings of Dr.F
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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annnnd BACK to the Boston bomber and investigations~~~
Al Qaeda = run by CIA, spooks. and shadow tools.
Brought to from the basement of Denver airport.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 22, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
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They do not need thousands of soldiers like we have all they need is a few hundred and can drain our economy with the actions that happened last week. Two maybe three guys once a week/month that all it takes.
Imagine how much this thing cost in those that were injured and need legs, mental health issues PTSD just name a few, the funds of the whole city in loss of revenue since it was shut down, trains stopped, the cost of the manhunt and hours, hell the gas alone is probably half a million. Guess they will come out with a number: billions? So now copy cats, right wing, terrorists’ cells, radicals or two or any as#@&%e against the US government will jump on the opportunity to let it happen again and again even if it means death to them at the end of a rifle or air launch.
Economic Terrorism
But help is on its way hopefully by this next year they will provide the chip that citizens can install if they wish in the smart phones to detect explosives which they have tested and ready for use in secured areas and most likely now will be planted in areas just like the cameras that cities use; as for pressure cookers that might be another issue but companies working under contract with the DoD and some that will get R & D grants from the ideas and manufacturing of said instrumentation.
So now is a good time to invest in companies that provide the service. It is a cat and mouse game something we have to live with since we have the freedoms to do anything we want including giving the enemy our secrets or till they eventually figure them out then it starts all over with new game plans.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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Yeah, clearly a conspiracy. Two normal "brown" guys minding their own business... framed... who wouldn't drive over their brother and shoot themselves in the neck if the cops were after them?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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LOL
The Principal of Sandy Hook shot dead by Adam Lanza.
Reappears to give interview after the shootings then reappears at the Boston Marathon bombings.
First she's Dawn Hochsprung and now Donna photos supposedly from Fox News? LOL
Photo shopping ?????
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
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It says SOMETHING when NONE of these guys ever gets to talk. American citizens have Rights, right? Or DO THEY?
"They" can tool anyone they want to. Club you down like a baby seal.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 22, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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Werner, WTF?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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LOL
The Principal of Sandy Hook shot dead by Adam Lanza.
Reappears to give interview after the shootings then reappears at the Boston Marathon bombings.
LOL that anyone can be stupid enough to buy that shit
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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oh,
we got a dumb fuk right on this thread who believes in people coming back from the dead
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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Werner, you're either trolling hard or you consume volumes of the kind of bullshit which is fundamentally no different than what was dished up to radicalized those to kids.
And ActivistPost? A more corrosive vector of anonymous claptrap can't be found on the internet today. Again, fundamentally little different from from the mindlessly conspiratorial imaginings of radical islamic websites.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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we got a dumb fuk right on this thread who believes in people coming back from the dead Only one?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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Interesting that the Saudi kid in the hospital is here on a student visa for a school in Ohio that evidently he has never been anywhere near.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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A mosque in Cambridge, Mass., confirmed Saturday that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the Chechen-born brothers suspected in the Boston marathon attacks, infrequently attended services at the small center that was a 10-minute walk from their apartment.
"In their visits, they never exhibited any violent sentiments or behavior. Otherwise they would have been immediately reported to the FBI," said the statement from the Islamic Society of Boston. "After we learned of their identities, we encouraged anyone who knew them in our congregation to immediate report to law enforcement, which has taken place."
Anwar Kazmi, a member of the mosque's board of trustees, told a USA Today reporter that 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died early Friday morning after a shootout with police, was an infrequent attendee for about a year-and-a-half, while 19-year-old Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, who was captured hiding in a boat in Watertown on Friday night, attended only once.
The Los Angeles Times initially reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was kicked out of the mosque three months ago after he interrupted a Friday prayer service to argue with the imam. The imam leading the service had enraged Tsarnaev by praising Martin Luther King Jr. A congregant told the newspaper that Tsarnaev shouted, "You cannot mention this guy because he’s not a Muslim!” When Tamerlan Tsarnaev later returned to prayer services at the mosque, there were no additional incidents.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/boston-bombers-mosque-cambridge_n_3125192.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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Maybe it was a ME type after all, and not a US citizen involved? There's still hope, right TGT?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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Same kid is classified under this section of Immigaration law and is on the no fly list.
http://www.inadmissibility.com/20.html
Debka may have it right this time.
Another double agent ploy that backfired.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 22, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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The Sleestaks are photoshopping
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
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Werner is quite correct about "spooks" being involved in ALL manner of things going on that we dont know. The NDAA 2013 bill has i dont know how many sections dealing with "clandestine ops".
Well, that's why we call them "spooks". And, last time I checked the whole bloody point of 'spookery' is for no one to know. That said, and having been peripherally involved such that I saw all the same intelligence as the head of the pacific fleet, I can assure you all you conspiracy whackjobs have it all entirely wrong in almost every respect.
And worse, all your anti-government rhetoric and noise just feeds and incites more incidents like Boston and attacks on members of our first responders and justice system.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
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Hedge asked : "Credible link for the FBI denying ever having anything to do with them? " Credible can be discussed for some time. Is CNN credible hedge? Cause a former employee/reporter just came out with the shocking news that they can be bought off to both kill stories and insert made up ones. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/01/296014/cnn-lies-about-iran-syria-exreporter/ She said in part:
"Syria’s SANA news agency quoted Amber Lyon as saying that when she was working for the CNN, she received orders to send false news or exclude certain information which the US administration did not approve of with the aim of inciting public opinion in favor of launching an offensive on Iran and Syria."
So google "Ex-CNN reporter Amber Lyon" or even better, Google "Operation Mockingbird" and then tell me what is a "credible" news source Hedge. If you are reading the Wikipedia version, remember that currently you are paying the pentagon to hire over 29,000 people to exclusively monitor things like that and do PR releases. The gov't employees will go in and delete things that they find embarrassing. All day long. But as you can't go look it up I did it for you. I didn't find the same news story but how about CBS Joe? Credible enough? Found that one anyway, you can do more research if you choose. BUT HERE'S CBS NEWS - LINK: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/
CBS QUOTED:
"Although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers' mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today."
BTW, I hardly consider myself a kook or a conspiracy theorist. But there are certain truths that even a blind man can see if they have but to look. So go look. Google "Amber Lyon" or "Operation Mockingbird". Get back to me on what is the truth...we may never know the full version. Or we might and perhaps it's just as layed out. But we will never be sure.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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TGT - sources as to where you are pulling that information(about school, and no fly list)?
jeezes...these daysit is getting absurd, the level of outright bullSH#T being "reported" on internet "news" sources. And I don't mean one political party in particular.
My GOD, fellow citizens, stop believing everything we hear, stop repeating unverified garbage from sources with no credibility, and think for our selves. Doesn't everyone see that MUCH of the media crap that is being spewed is coming from "National Enquirer" level sources?????
As for someone who said it "didn't matter" that the suspect will be tried in civilian court(because he would spend the rest of his life behind bars) - While that is very likely to be true(behind bars), it certainly DOES matter that he be tried according to the laws of our land!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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BTW, I hardly consider myself a kook or a conspiracy theorist.
Perhaps you should reconsider.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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Why did the FBI say:
"These photos should be the only ones the public should view to assist us. Other photos should not be deemed credible. They unnecessarily divert the public's attention in the wrong direction, and create undue work for vital law enforcement resources."
Because the FBI knew these two were responsible.
The FBI said they have video evidence showing suspect #2 set down a backpack at the 2nd explosion and they had the statement from the guy who lost both legs that he looked one of them in the eyes as he dropped a backpack off.
They now need to identify them.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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what is the accepted theory on these guys?
accepted?
Just MY "opinion", but I see it very simply:
two brothers who felt like they did not "belong" in America, unemployed and not going anywhere who were looking for a purpose, a cause, and happened to buy into the anti-American "hate" speech so rampant in extreme Islam and acted on this hatred
no other conspiracy needed
seems to happen all the time, and it is damn near impossible to "stop" this conversion of bored directionless young Muslim men once they get of taste of extremism
America, very unfortunately, provided one hell of a lot of reasons to hate America,
particularly in the Middle East where our unbridled support of Israel whips up the hate
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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the throat wound to the younger perp to be self inflicted and i believe he also purposefully ran his brother over as well. I Think these were two Chechnya born guys that went radical islamist over reasons unknown and blew up a bunch of folks at the Marathon.
Objectively, that is all hearsay at this point. I am not saying he is innocent, but I have yet to see any evidence that they placed the bombs (all that video should have picked that up, if true), that he ran over his brother, or that they even killed the cop on the MIT campus. Ditto for the self-inflicted wound to the neck (they video-taped from the helicopter--surely easy to provide along with the video they already provided). It's all been the Fed's word so far. You guys who want auto guns and clips to defend against the aggressions of the state seem to accept all that they say without question? Just saying.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
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... and the older one handled all the website propaganda while the younger one hung back and didn't go to Russia just to keep everyone guessing.
The younger one, I would guess was manipulated, but he was nineteen afterall. He deserves the death penalty.
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Dover
Trad climber
New England
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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Why did the FBI say:
"These photos should be the only ones the public should view to assist us. Other photos should not be deemed credible. They unnecessarily divert the public's attention in the wrong direction, and create undue work for vital law enforcement resources."
This seems really strange, at best. At worst, I don't even want to think about
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
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"“Ok! Now I am going to hand the paper or poster to you and you write NOT GUILTY" got that.”
“Another than that we have a good case of getting you off, we will think of something like you were hearing voices from Pat Robertson, or Rush LImbaugh “. “No, No too far right’ how about we portray you as Patty Hearst; Yes, Yes that will work. We will use our defense as the Stockholm syndrome as in traumatic bonding.
"Nice suit and tie that we picked out for you" plus the hair cut; the jury will think you are a clean cut kid"
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
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But the FBI fibbed and got caught - to that there is little doubt.
Ron was sounding reasonable, then started hearing voices again.
Why the need to always drum up a conspiracy?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
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oh sh#t, I was eating dinner and recovering from my spine surgery
what is IT now?
somebody claim the FBI is LYING about something?
Hedge, can you brief me?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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But the FBI fibbed and got caught - to that there is little doubt.
never mind briefing me
I see Ron now says our FBI is lying about something
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
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I'm sure if you watch Fox they'll straighten it all out.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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what now are they going to try and take are bombs away?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 22, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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What a horrible event. Even that it produced this delicious thread doesn't make up for all the harm it caused.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
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Yeah, like what Fox News has to say about other media is important to anyone but a wingnut.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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"That's Liberal Bullsh#t, right there"
"We aren't in *history*, we're in 2013"
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
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you can tell when the wing nuts have lost... everything turns into a conspiracy and/or unrelated stories come up as if relevant.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Since Dr Fraud is on a post deleting binge again, let's keep him at it.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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having been a low level fed...
with the FS, right?
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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Because nobody recognized them, you idiot!!!!!!!!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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Can you imagine what the response would have been if the Texas incident was caused by Boston Marathon Muslims?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Since Dr Fraud is on a post deleting binge again, let's keep him at it.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
even Maher finally gets it.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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apogee, is that REALLY fair?
I mean, the Muslims did what they did intentionally...
whereas the fertilizer plant explosion (and coal mine deaths and BP explosion and, and, and) were accidents caused by cutting corners to maximize profits... obviously not intentional... just, "oops! we made A TON money, sorry so many had to die accidentally in the process. we pretend to care, but it will happen again in the near future."
Totally different.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
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Ron said:
Just DO THE MATH Norton, the FBI broadcast pictures wanting info as to the identity's while having a file on them already..
ok, I WILL do the math, as you suggest
and while doing it, I am not coming to the conclusion that the FBI "lied"
there is not difference between a fib and a LIE in my book, both mean intentionally saying something that one knows for a fact is NOT TRUE
ok, so here goes Ron
1) Ok, so the FBI did "know" the brothers' identity from interviewing the older brother a couple of years ago and NOT finding, at that time, ANY reason to "suspect" him of anything, done, and he goes in the huge "file" of people interviewed but not actively tracked
2) the brothers commit their horror in Boston, and the "authorities" including local and national law enforcement ask the public for any pictures or videos of people carrying bags and maybe "leaving" the bags as in walking away
At that point, NO ONE has ANY "information", and it is NOT until the PUBLIC swamps the investigators with POSSIBLE pictures and videos do they notice the brothers WITHOUT the same bags they were photographed by the PUBLIC earlier
now they have some legitimate SUSPECTS
3) At that is point they again ask the public does anyone know WHO these people are who no longer have the bag, bearing in mind Ron that the "FBI" is as clueless as anyone else as to WHO the suspects are, all they know is some guys no longer have a bag
In fact, at that point the authorities still did not know the identities of the boys
So, NO, Ron, I did the "math" and I absolutely cannot conclude that the FBI "LIED" to the American people as you claim
I will simply suggest that your widespread and constant "suspicions" of our own "government" lead YOU to LOOK for and MAKE UP your own little conspiracy LIE
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
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Not ONE conservative i know has ever blown anyone else up ,, illegally anyhow
ever heard of Timothy McVeigh, the hard core "conservative" who "blown" up the Federal building in Oklahoma?
The WORST act of Domestic terrorism in this country?
McVeigh hated "big government" and he hated "liberals"
but that's just ONE instance:
How about the hard core "conservative" who shot Gabriella Giffords in the head and killed six other people in Arizona?
He was stoked on "conservative" hate for "Democrats" and he went to Gifford's political rally to kill her because she "voted" against "conservative" legislation
I could go on and on proving you WRONG, but I have made my point
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 22, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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TGT...Very interesting... But STUPID.....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
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Dr. F is not the progressive type characterized in the video of TGT. He's just a character that loves to get the other side going and arguing and then bring in the minions for the screech and destroy mission. All in good fun. On the other hand that video was the clearest most articulate description i've yet heard of the progressive's tactics and goals.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
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Couch, what amazes me is everyone positively leaps to conspiracy rather than obvious incompetence. You can bet your ass the senior ranks FBI were playing an extended edition of "who's on first" once the bombs went off with everyone scrambling to see if someone - anyone - had any of the bases covered.
And therein lies the persistent problem with all of our investigative and intelligence services: heavy stratification, explicit and implicit fire-walling, rampant compartmentalization, ownership issues, and suspicion of other offices and agencies. Hell, they didn't track the older brother's Russia trip due to a frigging spelling error (and the fact they would have used exact name matching versus something like Levenshtein distance string approximation is downright scary in its own right). So, rather than a conspiracy, you can bet your ass it's nothing more than the symptoms of an agency Keystone Cops routine playing out in the light of day.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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Yes of course, like minded independents all talking off a remarkably similar script. You guys are down right agreeable today as compared to previous rant fests. Are we getting sentimental in our old age? Must be the common bond of mourning of the passing of one of our most revered pioneers.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 22, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
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No question Jh that it could merely, and most likely is, a case of bureaucratic quicksand and task shifting with hints of bureaucratic lazyness or just making a conclusion which was not later supported. Maybe it was the 2000th time they'd made the call and finally they missed this one. It certainly could be the case. They do the check, quick investigation and close the case out, leaving the info in the database while they move onto other work.
It seems rare that questions of such substance get raised so quickly, however, that might only be the internet at work. I wanted to put them on the thread as they had not be3en discussed or noted. At the end of the day, one still has to ask: "what if.....?"
We only learn of shocking things like Operation Mockingird a long time after the fact.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 22, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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I'm really surprised no one on the Taco has made this connection yet.
Had to have dinner and talk gardening, but he was a pussy compared to his namesake.
Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population
All in the name of the "religion of peas"
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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You guys are down right agreeable today as compared to previous rant fests.
OH ???
I'll be back later when I'm done finished watching my FBI covert shill training movie.
Double agent stuff.
Work both sides of the fence all wile working the third and fourth angles.
Like a the Russian doll within dolls inside more dolls.
Good stuff, I know ya all will be holding yer breaths for it.
Don't turn blue ......
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 22, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Today: The F.B.I. responded by checking government databases for any criminal records or immigration violations as well as activity on Web sites that promote extremist views and activities. The investigators found no derogatory information, officials said.
In other words, the Russian FSB and SVR (KGB successors) did a better job tracking a US citizen who was a threat than did the FBI.
And, just guessing, but in a Post-9/11 world the amount of data to sift for threats has led to FBI senior management pressure to close leads as quickly as possible and move on to the next. I also see on just now checking, the FBI IT project to get off paper, which was stalled in 2006 is, like the FAA and IRS projects, still a complete disaster this many years later. So agents don't have a significant technical threat assessment or tracking capability, bummer.
Agents probably just get on google most of the time and see what pops up - not particularly sophisticated. Hell, if they just switched to Salesforce.com and tracked suspects like sales leads they'd probably be miles ahead of where they are now.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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this thread is the stinkiest thwart 3v4r
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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I'd like to give a shout-out to the Cannuck's today. Nice job, RMCP!
Despite all my Canadian trash-talking, they are our brother-in-arms. Thank You!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:46am PT
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Whatever, Ron, at least they are on top of sh#t. The Canadian as#@&%es need to be seperated from the Canadian LEO doing their jobs, as well as the awesome Canadian troopers taking incoming rounds in Asscrapistan.
I differentiate the 2. I salute our Cannuck brothers that have always helped us, along with the f*#king Brits. Solid brothers!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:10am PT
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Nevadastan? Even us part timers are proud of at least the northern Nevadastan territory. WTF.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:18am PT
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I've had a few days to process the events of last week which culminated in the muppet and me being subject to stay home orders. Strange days. Friday stunk because it felt like the suspect was winning, the entire city of Boston was empty and three neighboring towns were effectively on lock-down. Not to mention locking down an entire city effectively provided a blueprint for future terrorists...don't go out in a ball of glory, why, stick around and hold an entire city captive, interrupt commerce and people's daily lives. Frighten children.
After being stuck inside on Friday, I was actually loathe to go out until this morning when I had to go back to work. Everyone was still shell shocked at work, off balance and irritable. I haven't really slept in days. As Friday night approached, I settled in my mind that I would not go to sleep, lest I be caught off guard protecting the muppet. I figured I could do some damage if necessary with the Dolt piton/non-piton the MadBolter gave to me last fall, worst case scenario. Thankfully, that didn't become necessary.
Why the strong reaction? Your guess is as good as mine. This morning I checked mapquest, and the house by house searches were being conducted just 2 short miles from our apartment. Two miles. Two...miles.
Thanks to everyone that kept me up to speed so that I could limit the news coverage with the muppet at home.
I don't feel embarrassed for a second that people were cheering, thanking law enforcement and first responders and singing the National Anthem in the streets. If a crazed, violent, desperate suspect with bomb materials and gun(s) and a complete disregard for human life was on the loose within a range of two short miles of your home, I suspect you might feel a similarly huge wave of relief and gratitude for those who kept you out of harm's way.
We have a stack of pictures the muppet drew during our confinement that we are going to send to the local police, fire and other organizations whose members put their lives on the line to protect our way of life.
Our thoughts and prayers are still with those whose lives will never be the same.
Carry on.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:25am PT
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Hey. I'm from Arkansas...AND I live in North Nevadastan. We call it Southern Idahostan. Yer upsetting my fung shui, maaaaan.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:28am PT
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Ah yes, the Wasilla-billies on towns farther fringe are well versed in such interrogation techniques and they don't have to look to see Russia since they are Russians, Ukranians, chechnyans etc.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:42am PT
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Not ONE conservative i know has ever blown anyone else up ,, illegally anyhow.
I can think of a couple....
Ever heard of Eric Rudolph?
By the way, most radical Muslims are considered "conservative" as well.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:33am PT
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Indisputable Photo Evidence That the Boston Marathon Bombing Was Staged?
How long before it gets scrubbed off the net?
Or is it bullsh!t?
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bostonbombingdidyouthink20apr13.shtml
Never in the course of human history has genuine human blood EVER looked like the fire engine red paint-like liquid seen spilled on these bricks.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 23, 2013 - 04:39am PT
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Or is it bullsh!t?
Yes.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 23, 2013 - 05:14am PT
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Never in the course of human history has genuine human blood EVER looked like the fire engine red paint-like liquid seen spilled on these bricks.
I'm an emergency physician.
Looks just like fresh arterial blood to me.
That "educate yourself" article is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 23, 2013 - 08:04am PT
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SLR,you are correct sir.
I suppose that explains a friends 2 exit wounds and a broken eardrum.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:45am PT
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More newz, the older brother may have killed 3 people quite some time back:
http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bomb-suspect-eyed-connection-2011-triple-murder-164354976--abc-news-topstories.html
"Tsarnaev, the alleged bombing mastermind who died in a fierce gun battle with police early Friday morning, had been training with one of the 2011 murder victims in an attempt to transition from boxing into a possible career in the brutal sport of mixed-martial arts.
The victims were found in a Waltham, Massachusetts apartment. They had their throat slashed, their heads nearly decapitated. Their mutilated bodies were left covered with marijuana. It was a gruesome scene – but also perplexing to law enforcement. While drugs appeared to factor into the motive, the murderer left both the marijuana and thousands of dollars in cash behind in the Waltham apartment. While the investigation has been active for more than a year, authorities acknowledged they have had few leads."
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 23, 2013 - 10:56am PT
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I salute our Cannuck brothers that have always helped us, along with the f*#king Brits. Solid brothers!
Bluering, I eagerly await your salute to the French troops as well.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber, blurring shows up.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:42am PT
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I ran over my cousin with my bike when I was a kid
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Ron, Do you remember when the guy got ran over in stateline and drug up to heavenly valley under the car? that was knarly sh#t
Somebody landed on the moon?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
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Drag racing
It was really bad a trail two feet wide. it was like twenty years ago
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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I know a guy who ran himself over with his own Dodge Power Wagon. He was trying to stop it from rolling into my wife's Saab. His nick name was Tiny but he was a BIG dude so don't worry it didn't hurt the truck too badly. True story.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Lila,
Your remarks were appreciated as good insight into what life was like during that seige. It could happen anywhere. We build beautiful, safe lives for our families, then something else intrudes. It did in Boston, Sandy Hook, Manhatten too many places. It can be a random individual, group, or a force of nature. Life is fragile.
Glad to hear that you are OK. Glad that my firends and relatives are OK, at least as far as I can determine.
I think for a week or two, all my old Boston Marathon t-shirts will be at the top of the t-shirt rotation pile. I was never able to throw any of them out for sentimental reasons. Of course, they will be transported in my NY Yankee duffle bag. It makes perfect sense when you factor in that the carjack victim heard Manhatten come up in discussion with the brothers.
Maybe it is the New Englander in me - that spirit of determination and individuality. I will not allow this incident to keep me away from the sport I love or from frequenting the places honored in our shared history.
New objectives for this quarter - give blood, and send a check to the victims.
In this country, we value freedom. That means we have to put up with nutjobs speaking their minds. Not real blood - you've got to be kidding.....We don't have to believe them or agree with them. I know that in Boston and all of New England, we might go a little beyond not agreeing...we do like to be sure that our differing viewpoint has been expressed. No suffering in silence here.
I hope Muppet is not too frightened and can play outside happily.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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Somewhere between Las Cruces and Tuscon we got stuck in a huge traffic jam, for no apparent reason. Caught a newscast at the laundromat that night. Turns out a semi "picked up" a hobo around 5am near El Paso and had no idea. When he hit a bump, or slowed down, or something, parts of the hobo started falling off the grill and landing on the cars behind. They shut the highway down while they collected body parts and tried to "piece" together what happened. The truck driver was long gone... still having no idea.
Turns out that was just the cover story. It was really a huge conspiracy involving the Mexican drug cartels, Homeland Security, Muslims, Communists, and of course Obama.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
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How about throwing out the First Amendment?
(note: clearly the Constitution was intended to be a living document and sh#t like terrorist websites that disseminate information designed to hurt or kill everyone else were NOT what was intended to be protected by the 1st Amendment... just like the 2nd was not intended to guarantee any nut job can buy any gun they want at any time, regardless of sanity or competence.)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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has to do with free speech and shit
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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im stuck wondering why
Only because you don't read the posts you intend to argue.
"clearly the Constitution was intended to be a living document and sh#t like terrorist websites that disseminate information designed to hurt or kill everyone else were NOT what was intended to be protected by the 1st Amendment..."
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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go Pershing
I think Ron is refering to Gen Pershing's solution, when fighting Musslems.
The dead get wrapped up in a pig skin coffin......
no way Alaha, comes and rescues that soul.
+1
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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Mass murder/mayhem is a citizenship revocable offense.
Only AFTER it is committed. Just like a future felon (or their friend or cousin) is only prohibited from buying a gun AFTER they have committed their crime.
But really... you get your citizen ship revoked for mass murder/mayhem?
Sh#t, I forgot how stupid these discussions get! Thanks for the reminder.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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The two suspects in the Boston bombing that killed three and injured more than 260 were motivated by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, officials told the Washington Post.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, "the 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, has told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack," the Post writes, citing "U.S. officials familiar with the interviews."
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Norton, I'm not sure of the point of your post. Timothy McVeigh was motivated by the expanding reach of the government. Does that make the reach wrong?
And therein lies the persistent problem with all of our investigative and intelligence services: heavy stratification, explicit and implicit fire-walling, rampant compartmentalization, ownership issues, and suspicion of other offices and agencies.
Right you are, Joe. In the 1970's we reacted to abuses in intelligence gathering and ended up hobbling our ability. I would have thought that 9/11 would have cased us to change, but apparently we've become so ossified and compartmentalized that all of the issues you raised -- all of which we identified after 9/11 -- still persist.
Perhaps if we had better, more reliable, and less political intelligence, our stupidity in foreign affairs (e.g. the Iraq war) would lessen. Let's hope that this administration, which seems to have some competence in bureaucratic matters, can straighten it out. The previous one couldn't.
John
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
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Norton, I'm not sure of the point of your post. Timothy McVeigh was motivated by the expanding reach of the government. Does that make the reach wrong?
well john, my post was in response to Ron who stated that "conservatives" had NEVER been involved in any terrorist bombing in the United States
the list of domestic terrorists with very "conservative" ideologies is very long
including McVeigh
as you might remember, one of the core tenants of conservatism is opposition to "government", and especially what they personally choose as "expanding" government
certainly you yourself, John, fit nicely with that exact ideology, and thankfully you do not choose to pursue violence when that kind of stuff pisses you off
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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Perhaps if we had better, more reliable, and less political intelligent, our stupidity in foreign affairs (e.g. the Iraq war) would lessen. Let's hope that this administration, which seems to have some competence in bureaucratic matters, can straighten it out. The previous one couldn't.
good point, especially considering the brothers were radicalized by the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as intelligence is now proving from his interviews
pretty safe to say our actions actually created many, many radical muslims including the brothers
I believe that is a fact, regardless if one agrees with our actions or not
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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well ROn,
you are very narrowly correct
only in the sense that when says he "knows" he means personally
and it is also very fair to assume "know" means COMMON KNOWLEDGE
and that is how damn near anybody "takes" something someone says to be true
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
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as you might remember, one of the core tenants [sic] of conservatism is opposition to "government", and especially what they personally choose as "expanding" government
certainly you yourself, John, fit nicely with that exact ideology, and thankfully you do not choose to pursue violence when that kind of stuff pisses you off
Norton,
I think the highlighted section is more a definition of an anarchist. My "conservatism" wants a government that protects freedom. As I've said before, the differences between "conservative" and "liberal" are at the margins. Both sides support a certain core of government. I certainly think that only the government can provide for the common defense, or equitably take care of the less fortunate, as just two examples. We differ on where those roles end, and where the government's competence exceeds that of private firms.
During the days of the late, unlamented, Soviet Union, it always amused me that a "conservative" leader of the United States and a "liberal" leader of the Soviet Union were closer ideologically than a "liberal" leader of the United States and a "conservative" leader of the Soviet Union.
John
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
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Regardless of their "liberal" or "conservative" status, it is remarkable hoe many of these "domestic terrorists" have had prior contact with the FBI. Seems like they (the FBI) are really dropping the ball . . .
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
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fair enough, John
and now off to a doctor appointment
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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Good lord, Ron. You are coming off as a guy with one hand on the keyboard, furiously typing away and the other on a massive ...., furiously at work with that as well. It really does seem you are getting off on this.
Yuck.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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"Regardless of their "liberal" or "conservative" status, it is remarkable hoe many of these "domestic terrorists" have had prior contact with the FBI. Seems like they (the FBI) are really dropping the ball . . ."
Yes, your right IMO, this makes no sense. Are we to believe the FBI is this useless? Starting to hear all kinds of crazy sh#t about how things went down when they had the whole city on lockdown. Scary how easy we will give up freedoms to feel safe. And if you think about it, the media is the one who convinced us we needed this and we just followed suite since we saw such horrible sh#t on TV, Don't know what to think about this. I am personally ashamed I was all for catching these guys without even thinking of what they were doing to catch them, all or nothing.
Not sure if this has been posted, but I here they got caught at 7/11, not because they were robbing the place, but because they stopped there to get gas and the place got robbed right at that moment, right when they were there. They might still be running around if it wasn't for that. Has anyone else heard about this, perhaps it got posted already, wasn't about to go through this whole thread.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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Or is it bullsht?
It's bullsh#t. Just imagine how complicated it would be to get all those hundreds of people to agree to fake this. That's the problem with most conspiracy theories, that they would just be too complicated. Geez, even getting one person to keep a secret is nearly impossible.
A few errata. To my knowledge no one has ever lost their US citizenship, or citizenship in any country, as a punishment for committing a crime. AG Levy's guidelines promulgated in the 1970s after cointelpro scandals didn't place an unreasonable burden on DOJ unless you think judge-issued warrants are unreasonable. Now no warrant is needed and there is no need for courts at all, just lock up whoever you want.
Last week I entered the US again, and again, my laptop, USB and cell phone were all copied. I have no criminal record at all and would lose my law license in no time if I did. They search my computer to get intel on my clients, one of whom was convicted of terrorism (supposedly al Qaeda although my client had never heard of them at the time) and the other blamed for a murder that an FBI informant probably committed. There's no rules anymore and no one in the US has any rights, once the terrorism word is mentioned. Luckily this phenomena hasn't spread from the US to other places.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 23, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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the Constitution was meant for citizens.
That is incorrect. The constitution applies to the government. It states what government can and cannot do.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 23, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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It's people, Ron!
Now what I SAID was: No conservative I KNOW has ever ~~~etcetc..
Interesting. No Muslim I KNOW has ever... etcetc...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 23, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
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Wow, I am still not finished reading this thread.
But I confess.
I am the doppelgänger. I was the one in the theatre when Lincoln took it, but I am clever. I was able to point the finger to another.
And I was the one on the grassy knoll.
But I will not take the blame for the McKinley hit. That was an underling.
Otherwise, we are all stupid Americans, according to... an immigrant who has proven his worth.
The vile, the anger, the finger pointing on this thread.
Okay, I have done several scriptwriting courses and have several unproduced scripts under my belt.
So as a collective, perhaps we can turn this thread into a TV series of some sort.
But it should be dedicated to the victims of the bombings.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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The problem with catching these guys before they act is that that there are not any clear signs because their behavior is irrational and their motives are nonsensical.
In addition, we can be virtually certain that anyone taking preemptive action will face criticism for acting unnecessarily. I guess that's the nature of the beast -- those without foresight feel free to criticize with perfect hindsight.
John
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 23, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Perhaps if we had better, more reliable, and less political intelligence, our stupidity in foreign affairs (e.g. the Iraq war) would lessen
How do you figure? It wasn't the quality of the intel that got us into the stupidity that was invading Iraq, it was Cheney and Co. cooking the intel files to justify an invasion that was never justifiable.
Do you really not remember the Nigerian yellowcake "documents" that were so ridiculously forged a grade schooler would catch it, Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson, and the hubub around Louis Freeh and the "five words" of the SOTU?
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 23, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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I know you guys think this is bullsh#t, but I'm telling you, get this book.
It clearly explains how this country has f*#ked up dealing with International affairs. Was written in the 50s/60s. But this guy knew what he was talking about. You read it and realize all the things he said back than have come true. "Nation Of Sheep".
Why do we not keep tabs on our government, what makes us think they are more than human and don't need to be supervised? It is our government, it's up to us to make sure it is running smoothly and get rid of the riff raff.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 23, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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Ron: “No conservative I KNOW has ever”
You want me to tell you about Reagan and Latin America the murders done by our Government.
But on this subject:
U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes
Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References
By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS
Jan. 18, 2010 —
Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.
The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.
U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.
One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."
Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
'Firearms of Jesus Christ'
This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."
Eventually changed or bye,bye. so long, take it easy..
And what about:
Remember Erik Prince [now uses codename 'Kingfish'] who once created Blackwater you know the guys that protect, sometimes get drunk and shoot innocent people from time to time got in big trouble and then he changes names or creates Xe Services LLC which changes to Greystone Limited ; then flees the US to Abu Dhabi to create Reflex Responses or now known as R2.
He had been facing mounting legal and political pressure in the U.S. as a result of Blackwater's controversial roles in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He gets contract to go overseas at the beginning of the war with KBR.
KBR, then a subsidiary of Halliburton, was awarded the opportunity in 2001 to perform the Army's war-zone logistics work "following a competitive bidding process." The value of that work was more than $31 billion. "In no way condones or tolerates illegal or unethical behavior. Another reason for going to war and Blackwater in tune. What was his name “Cheney”, President Cheney or something like that? Opps! he quits the year before to add to Bush's legacy.
Prince says he moved to Abu Dhabi because of its "great proximity to potential opportunities across the entire Middle East, and great logistics," adding that it has "a friendly business climate, low to no taxes, free trade and no out of control trial lawyers or labor unions. It's pro-business and opportunity." It also has no extradition treaty with the United States.
He is a heavy Christian: Prince serves as vice president of the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation, which his family founded, donates heavily to Christian causes as in major funder of the religious right, loves “Family Research Council” and “Focus on the Family," headed by James Dobson just to name a few. You know hates everything unless you are a super conservative. Also has webs of companies he’s on especially Total Intelligence Solutions and the Terrorism Research Center [TRC].
Quote:
And you say no proof of Right Wing extremists excuse me “No conservative I KNOW has ever”
The CIA contracts him to do the dirty work; this way our Government, especially the CIA has no fingerprints to leave/show.
Sorry guys no conspiracies’ for last week’s bombing. Maybe a stupid G man here and there but it happens all the time.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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The whole point of the Jesus Code is lost if you keep it a secret.
Who the hell is supposed to know it's a bible passage, when it's disguised as a serial number?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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Who the hell is supposed to know it's a bible passage, when it's disguised as a serial number?
who?
well that would be guys being given those specially ordered sights
and not "disguised" very well considering damn near everyone knows the abbreviation for bible coded, first giving the author (Corinthians) and then the exact chapter and verse
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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The whole point of the Jesus Code is lost if you keep it a secret.
Who the hell is supposed to know it's a bible passage, when it's disguised as a serial number?
When the enemy found out about it riots and hatred for the US climbs and say that the US is here to stay, as in "The Crusades" a series of holy wars waged by Western Christians against Muslims in the Near East from 1095 to 1291 by the pooopy.
What do they call this or give me the name for their Holy War: the year is 1977.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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Jesus wept.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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"Should he be somehow condemned to death for being the devil"
Say that to the men and women who sacrificed for the same when we lost in Viet Nam.
Nothing gained, nothing ventured just a lot of money down the drain.
His Dad provided all the bullets.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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who gives a rip about the SSN
well, nobody cares about the SSN
THAT was not the point of lostinshanghi's post though was it?
maybe go back and reread it to find out what the "rip" was really all about, Ron
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
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A nondenominational PSA
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 23, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
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The absence to date of orderly, critical analysis of where our country went wrong has been striking.
#1 In 1977 if the US and the Feds did the right thing by not ignoring it and addressing the issue but had no clue and were given warnings what was ahead we probably would not of had the incident last week. As for the funds that kept our country broke well that's another issue.
But you can't go back.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 23, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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I'd like to know what in the H%ll happened to North Korea; did they ever launch that rocket.
Edit: never mind just found out: "Korean tensions scare off U.S. golfers"
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 23, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Appearing on Fox News Republican talk show “Hannity” Monday night, right-wing columnist Ann Coulter said she’s sad that not only does she think the Boston bombing should shut down the nation’s immigration reform debate, she would like to see the alleged bomber’s widow in jail too, not for committing a crime but for “wearing a hijab.”
“I don’t care if she knew about this,” Coulter said. “She ought to be in prison for wearing a hijab. This immigration policy of us, you know, assimilating immigrants into our culture isn’t really working. They’re assimilating us into their culture. Did she get a clitorectomy too?”
Hannity seemed momentarily puzzled at the sudden citation of female genital mutilation, stammering his reply. “I, uh, I don’t know the answer to that,” he said before confidently adding: “But your point is well taken.”
So let's see: all them damn furriners, wearing their damned ethnic, non-American clothes.......like
yarmulkes
Green Clothing on Irish
Lederhosen
Clogs
.......
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Gene
climber
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Apr 23, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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^^^ Are you sure that's not from The Onion?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
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Ken, you have to add suicide vests, crock pots, and assault weapons to the jihadist attire here in country and maybe ricin cakes- who knows?
Edit: Coulters good at dodging pies on stage.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
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Come on Hedge surely you can rattle off a much longer list. Exactly what segment of american society do you deem acceptable?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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no...
you cant make me...
well, no Ron, I can't make you go back and read a post to find out what everyone else knows was being presented and you obviously flat missed
it was just a suggestion, you don't have the time or interest in getting anything "right" prior to blurting out another embarrassing "opinion"
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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And in this new order, this new utopia, what will the populace's function be other than being obedient consumers and taxpayers, what freedoms will we still be allowed ? How will things be better?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
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And don't forget the KKK robes,and Confederate uniforms, while you're at it.
those were all worn by Democrats.
The Republican (back then) Negroes wore the nooses
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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No wonder people climb the walls of Yosemite...
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 23, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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Bluering, I eagerly await your salute to the French troops as well.
I do salute the Frenchie's help BITD when the Brits were being dicks (independance war), but the Frenchies could have prevented a lot of bloodshed in WWII if they showed some sack. They had the Germans outgunned, outmanned, and yet they didn't want to be "mean".
Where I will salute the Frenchie's is in Mali right now. Pretty bold ops! Oh and they just had an embassy in Libya blow up 2 days ago.
France is target now by Islamists. What will they do?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
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^^^^^^Time to ban pressure cookers and fireworks. Maybe nails, BB's and large backpacks.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
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Where I will salute the Frenchie's is in Mali right now
What about the 88 French troopers killed in Afghanistan? Did El Rushbo forget to mention them on one of his anti-France rants?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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I think the French support in Asscrapistan goes without saying, until they just recently decided to ditch us there.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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Not to mention all the missions they flew in the Gulf War
But the ignorant will always find some idiotic reason to justify their ignorance.
Links to these "missions" would be helpful in supporting your point. Actual ordinance being dropped.
The Frenchies had the "easy" patrol in Asscrapistan. The Brits, Canadiaens, Americans, ans Lithuanians did all the dangerous sh#t. Aussies too.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 23, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
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As if you ever provided a single link to anything you ever posted in your entire life , or ever will.
You know that's bullsh#t. I always post links. You dismiss it as war-mongering or war-porn.
I can pull it up for ya though, ya wanna go there?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:01am PT
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And what were you doing while these guys were out on the "easy" patrols --sitting in your living room, reading Tom Clancy?
Alright ... don't be a wise guy.
Bluey was busy raising kids for the next war ......
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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he will pass out soon enough.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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That conversation didn't just drive me up a wall - it drove me to research links to donate to the true victims of this mess. And I may have picked a special name to sign to that donation.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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And what were you doing while these guys were out on the "easy" patrols --sitting in your living room, reading Tom Clancy?
I was living life and climbing and sh#t. I work in manufacturing, and somebody has to do that while the boys are defending our country.
I support them, and I support the homeland. We all have roles to play. We all cannot jump into war.
EDIT: The only reason France is in Mali is it effects their oil sources. Make no mistake! So now the Frenchies are fighting for oil. Also see Libya, Algeria for more on this.
They are hypocrites! as are leftists who condone this. We have little business in North Africa, let the Southern Euros deal with this crap!
Islamist shitstorm that is Europes's business.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:54am PT
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bluering wrote:
I was living life and climbing and sh#t. I work in manufacturing, and somebody has to do that while the boys are defending our country.
There are also female soldiers throughout the US Armed forces as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan, not just "boys".
bluering wrote:
I support them, and I support the homeland. We all have roles to play. We all cannot jump into war.
Bold by me.
Supporting the troops isn't just saying so on the Internet combined with ad hominem attacks on those who are left of center and/or against invading Iraq.
What have you actually done to support the troops? Monetary donations? Care packages? Support groups? All three?
I know that writing those words makes you feel good, but unless you've actually ACTED, as in done something (instead of living the life and climbing and posting on the Internet), you've no more supported the troops than those you insult (who you believe have not done anything, but what do you know?).
You can put a yes down for all two of the questions I asked, plus some VA stuff in 2002-2004, plus a couple of other little things. But since I was completely against the both invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, I've been told online by the likes of you, Jody, fattrad, etc., etc., how unpatriotic and un-American I am.
So, neverservednik, the question should be again, what have you actually done (as in action) to support the troops?
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:58am PT
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bluering wrote:
EDIT: The only reason France is in Mali is it effects their oil sources. Make no mistake! So now the Frenchies are fighting for oil. Also see Libya, Algeria for more on this.
Actually, the French are in Mali for uranium. There's a huge Areva mining plant (more like city) down there. The official statement is that the French military action was in response to a kidnapping (but of course directly or indirectly related to protecting access to a valuable resource).
In case you did not know (and based on your post, you clearly didn't) most of France's electricity, almost 80%, comes from nuclear power plants.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 24, 2013 - 09:17am PT
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Right on Degaine. Degaine posted to Bluering: "Supporting the troops isn't just saying so on the Internet combined with ad hominem attacks on those who are left of center and/or against invading Iraq.
What have you actually done to support the troops? Monetary donations? Care packages? Support groups? All three?
I know that writing those words makes you feel good, but unless you've actually ACTED, as in done something (instead of living the life and climbing and posting on the Internet), you've no more supported the troops than those you insult (who you believe have not done anything, but what do you know?).
You can put a yes down for all two of the questions I asked, plus some VA stuff in 2002-2004, plus a couple of other little things. But since I was completely against the both invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, I've been told online by the likes of you, Jody, fattrad, etc., etc., how unpatriotic and un-American I am."
Patriots don't necessarily go along, if there had been more critical critisim in advance of the idiocy that was the Bush/Chaney steamroller to get us into Iraq, and it was real obvious that they wanted to push the thing, our country would be so much further ahead now instead of ass deep in debt and borrowing 40percent of the scratch needed to fund the military and ongoing ops.
For myself: 1) Served/Army. 2. Volunteered for years at the VA hospital. 3. Haven't sent sh#t to the guys over there now.......not a card or a chocolate chip cookie....have not even thought of it, but I see now I am remiss in that:-)
Continue critizing and being involved, it's what causes best outcomes to occur. Our current commander in chief has lined himself up to kill Americans without due process. He has approved the murder of at least 4 Americans so far, the youngest being 16 years old. If it was Bush doing that kind of bs the libs would be lined up 4 deep to protest, but they don't say a word now. Anyway, very good point, but a bit off topic.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:47am PT
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Please, Ron, please try to post and bump your thread a bit less often.
EDIT:
1. Posted this comment while this thread was right up on top of first page, again.
2. Nothing personal, sorry. You post some really cool stuff sometimes. My comment was aimed at all those who post snarky comments. But yeah, by posting this I'm suppose I'm adding to the number of snarky comments. I'm just as weak.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 24, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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Hey Ron maybe you could claim him. Then you could stuff and mount him to your hearts content.
You could charge admittance to the display. Probably rake in the coin with all the arm chair warriors wanting to get their picture taking next to the evil doin' turrerist.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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The guy with the fish? Oops!!! wrong thread :-)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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They took up a collection to buy a new boat for the guy whose boat was shot to hell.
He said the money should be given to the bombing victims instead. He said he'd replace the boat himself.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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That was a very noble gesture by the boat owner. Good man.
-Next subject-
The US news notes that the US had reopened an unsolved triple murder case where there was maryjane and cash left behind. They do no breath a word about the religion of the 3.
Snippet from Debka File: ...."The Boston police consequently reopened the case this week and are looking at Tamerlan for the murder of three young Jews found with slashed throats in a Waltham, Massachusetts apartment on Sept. 11, 2011. Brendan Mess was Tamerlan’s close friend, Erik Weissman, a Brandeis University graduate and Raphael Teken a devout Jew."
http://www.debka.com/article/22922/Boston-Bombers-Had-Links-to-al-Qaeda-Terrorist-Cells
Is there something wrong with saying the words Jew or saying the words Islam these days? Are these now things to be whispered or not spoken of in public? What are we all walking on such eggshells for?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
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Is there something wrong with saying the words Jew or saying the words Islam these days?
hell no!
in fact your article is very relevant, "almost" all Muslims have a real dislike, hate, for "Jews",
and have for a couple of thousand years
radical Islam especially wants them wiped off the face of the earth
so MAYBE there IS a link between the Boston younger bomber and three "Jews" deaths
or maybe even his older brother or both of them did the murders
maybe our guys can get the kid to tell the truth on that, one way or the other
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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His parents are coming to the states later this week and intend to claim the body of their son to bring back home.
Our children are not perfect. I am not perfect. Most parents will bury their children no matter the tragic circumstances of their lives and demise. That is human nature. You don't want to believe the bad reports, though you may be foreced to come to grips with the truth about your and your children's faults. WHile the webpage claiming this was all a hoax infuriated me, I do have some compassion for parents who have trouble facing the reality about their kids, even if their behavior may have planted seeds for their children's destruction. Foresight is never 20/20. We may not be able to see with 20/20 hindsight either if the reality is too ugly.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 24, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
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in fact your article is very relevant, "almost" all Muslims have a real dislike, hate, for "Jews",
and have for a couple of thousand years
I don't think there have been Muslims on the face of the Earth for "a couple thousand years."
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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The death of the older brother.
The story, makes no sense at all.
The police chief of Watertown was not there, and has it as:
"The officers were handcuffing Tamerlan in the middle of the street and did not see Dzhokhar speeding towards them,
but at the last minute they turned away and both jumped out of the way leaving Tamerlan to be hit by the vehicle driven by his brother."
Yet a neighbor insists that the police ran Tamerlan over and shot him afterwards.
Who will you side with?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
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I don't think there have been Muslims on the face of the Earth for "a couple thousand years."
yes, blah blah
"followers of Islam" would be more accurate
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 24, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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maybe our guys can get the kid to tell the truth on that, one way or the other
Our guys can get the kid to tell any truth they want to hear.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 24, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
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Our guys can get the kid to tell any truth they want to hear.
General Jack D. Ripper: No, I mean when they tortured you. Did you talk?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Ah, oh, no... well, I don't think they wanted me to talk really. I don't think they wanted me to say anything. It was just their way of having a bit of fun, the swines. Strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 24, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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TGT, I think you too need a shirt!
we should borrow some money from China and wipeout all brown people!
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
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Feeling so safe.
Not to anger the WH last week our politically correct LE to busy looking at tea party family pictures rather then mug shots of Chechen Islamic terrorists living in Boston.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
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What have you actually done to support the troops? Monetary donations? Care packages? Support groups? All three?
I know that writing those words makes you feel good, but unless you've actually ACTED, as in done something (instead of living the life and climbing and posting on the Internet), you've no more supported the troops than those you insult (who you believe have not done anything, but what do you know?).
You can put a yes down for all two of the questions I asked, plus some VA stuff in 2002-2004, plus a couple of other little things. But since I was completely against the both invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, I've been told online by the likes of you, Jody, fattrad, etc., etc., how unpatriotic and un-American I am.
So, neverservednik, the question should be again, what have you actually done (as in action) to support the troops?
I have given quite a bit to the Fisher House Foundation, that cares for wounded soldiers. They are the most efficient at giving the most donations to their cause.
Check them out; http://www.fisherhouse.org/
Wounded Warriors is another.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 24, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
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TGT...The only thing i heard was the sound of tongues wailing , teeth nashing , and banjo picken...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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What still is fascinating to me is that you people still endorse Obama policies. He's a statistical loser. A failure. And the policies he has promoted have proven to be bad, yet we push for more of it?
It's illogical to me how you can endorse it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
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What about Obamacare that even Dems are now opposing because they didn't read it? And now we want unread immigration reform? No!
Obstruction sometimes is patriotic duty to the rule of law!
Obstruction is required and duty sometimes!!!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
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wrong thread fer that crap..
exactly, thank you Ron
we have political thread for that stuff already
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
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Now move on good Dr., police yourself.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
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So now we find out that the elder brother was on the Terrorist Watch List, but because of the superb thinking of Blue and Rong, he was still eligible to purchase as many weapons as he wanted. Legally.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
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Ken, they were purchased illegally, w/o proper Mass. permits. Do some research. Check back in.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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"Get some facts on gun purchasing at gun shows, and get back to us. "
It's illegal for any prohibited person to buy a gun at a gun show, or anywhere else for that matter. In California ( and for all I know, everywhere else too ), it's illegal for a prohibited person to even attend a gun show.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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One wasn't even old enough. The other had a domestic violence record.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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Honestly I do not see how guns are the issue here.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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Are you o.k. Doc? You have posted on the wrong threads two times in about as many minutes. Have you blown a gasket, do you need an ambulance?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
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So this means you've taken your pugilistic career on the road, so to speak?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
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One was 19, the other 27. Neither had a criminal record. The older one's domestic violence case was dismissed - no domestic violence record.
Neither was prohibited from buying guns.
Try again?
and back to you.....
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 24, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
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I saw something today in an interview with one of the persons who lost both thier legs below the knee ,she said "I used to get shin splints really bad, but I don't have to worry about that any more"
I bet some of these people run next year,,
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:00am PT
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Apparently Tsarnaev was on welfare.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:03am PT
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relevance?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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every god damn one of them
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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There are literally many thousands of wannabe terrorists here Snow. They are fast tracked in by lawyers and all immediately eligible for full public assistance. We are paying for the privilege of our own destruction. Immigration policy has to be reformed top to bottom.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:08am PT
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Relevance is that our government that is here to "protect" us is actually funding the scum bag brothers while they plot to dismember innocent folks . Seems like a disconnect to me. If the dude is on a terror list why does he get funding fromt the state of Mass. Just sayin'
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:11am PT
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They are usually brought in as political refugees from countries that are pawns in geopolitical games between the world powers.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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^^^ Dude you should run for office lol
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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You'd fit right in as a Wasilla-billy Hedge, of course you would be relegated to a life amongst the fringe beyond the edge of town.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:27am PT
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Jebus you could triple or even quadruple that fringe to be more accurate.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:44am PT
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And Burkhas Jebus.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 25, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
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All of our former enemies are laughing their asses off at our stupidity in participating in our own self destruction.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Apr 25, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
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Ron, when did you change your avitar photo? that cracks me up! no one can say that you take yourself too seriously
keep on rollin'
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 25, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
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ha ha, just noticed that too Ron. That is funny.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 25, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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Sadly, Ron, i'm afraid she still welcomes the tired huddled masses of terrorists in training. We've got to quit playing politics with immigration and welcome only those that will advance the country. It's a war out there and we have to act like it.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 25, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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No doubt many will find sympathy for the younger brother when it comes time for trial. Of course, he is not responsible for his actions.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 25, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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Attn Gen Eric Holder working practically at the speed of light ordered
66yr old Marianne B. Bowler, Federal Magistrate Judge for the
District of Massachusetts to the hospital room of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
to read him his Miranda rights and telling him to shut the f#ck up
if he knew what was good for himself and stop answering the FBI questions about the Boston bombings. Dzhokhar shut up.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
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BREAKING NEWS!
10 days after the Boston bombings and islamic terrorists are still
responsible for the murder of innocent people.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
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jghedge - your new islamic love interest Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will try to plead to avoid the fed death penalty. Doubt he'll get it.
They already have all the evidence needed convict and inject him without any statement from him.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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followup on Ron's above post:
The brothers who allegedly detonated pressure cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon had rudimentary plans of traveling to New York for an attack on Times Square, according to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, told interrogators that he and his older brother, Tamerlan, intended to set off explosives in Manhattan, according to unnamed law enforcement officials who spoke to Reuters and NBC News.
"Last night we were informed by the FBI that the surviving attacker revealed that New York City was next on their list of targets," said Bloomberg at a quickly organized press conference this afternoon. "We don't know if we'd been able to [stop an attack] if the terrorists had arrived from Boston.
"Thank God we didn't have to do that," Bloomberg said in City Hall. "The fact is New York City remains a prime target for those who hate America and want to kill Americans."
The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force shared information with New York officials that the Tsarnaev brothers had six bombs, including one pressure cooker explosive like the bombs that killed three and wounded more than 280 at the marathon, and five pipe bombs.
The brothers allegedly made a spontaneous decision to head to New York in a stolen Mercedes SUV last Thursday after the fatal shooting of an MIT campus police officer, Kelly said. The victim of the carjacking heard them brainstor
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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Do you have the strength not to be radicalized and do sh1t on April 15?
On April 15, 1974, Patty Hearst was photographed wielding an M1 carbine while robbing the Sunset District branch of the Hibernia Bank at 1450 Noriega Street in San Francisco. She had been radicalized by her SLA kidnappers and joined them in their terrorist acts.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
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why so defensive Ron?
edit:joking
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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Thus they are terrorists that deserve not a minute worth of due process
Due process exists to make sure that innocent people don't go to jail and that police, etc., follow the law when doing their duty. The actual crime that took place doesn't change the need for those things.
Or do we just go ahead and act just like the terrorists and bypass legal processes and just kill off people that we are pretty sure, because the news media or government tells us so, that a person is guilty even before the evidence has been reviewed?
Really, no criminal deserves due process. They only deserve punishment. It is the innocent people that sometimes end up in a courtroom that deserve due process. But we cannot be sure who is who until that process is completed.
Dave
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 25, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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Sucks there has to be a big tax-payer money-wasting trial etc. Just take the f*#k off life support and put a bullet in his head ASAP. Than pay for his cremation with whatever money he has on his/his brother's account.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 25, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
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yeah, sucks that WE would NOT have been able to get the intelligence out of him including the plans to bomb New York IF our guys had been dumb enough to take your advice and just put a bullet in him
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 25, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
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No matter what anyone on supertopo would like to happen, the guy has been charged, had an attorney appointed and will have a trial, unless he wants and gets a plea deal.
If'n you don't like that process move to Sudan or somewhere.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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I agree. We should only have trials for the accused criminals that are innocent, and skip the trials for those who are guilty.
Brilliant!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
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I personally consider the John Birch Society to be far and away fundamentally more of a danger to the United States than Hezbollah or any other foreign terrorist group.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Is not due process a constitutional right?
Where are all you defenders of the constitution?
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
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I agree. We should only have trials for the accused criminals that are innocent, and skip the trials for those who are guilty.
If you are resisting arrest, shooting at, and kill a police officer, I would consider it pretty guilty. And than admit setting up the bombs in written form.
I do understand WHY we have a trial for EVERYONE who is caught, but was expressing general disgust that this piece of sh#t will have his medical bills and jail stay paid for by taxpayers. Maybe for the rest of his life. Don't get your panties up in a bunch ladies.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
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“Sucks there has to be a big tax-payer money-wasting trial etc. Just take the f*#k off life support and put a bullet in his head ASAP”
[1] Waiting 2 years for the trial to begin,
[2] Pleads guilty since this should save him from the death penalty.
[3] Federal Judge will not accept the plea.
[4] Conflict attorneys meaning Federal Government will have to pay attorneys since there is a conflict of interest; they will try to get as much money as they can from the US Government: employing investigators, social workers, and forensic experts, psychologists and so on; so let’s say 6-12 months max.
[3] Jury selection: that will be fun, supposed to be jury of his peers but doubt that since the government would have to bring in terrorists and they would not come because of an arrest by getting on a plane. Maybe local ones in the South but they will stay away since after the trail will be arrested. So it will mostly of old ladies hard of hearing, middle aged men falling asleep.
* would be nice that the people he injured was the jury but again that is conflict of interest.
[5] Jury goes into their room for decision just to have a cup of coffee and returns with the verdict.
[6] Guilty but no death penalty and no parole; lives till 70 so $2 million just to keep him incarcerated.
[7] Guilty with the death penalty: 20 years before they do it.
[8] He will get good health benefits out of it better than you or me, plus all 300 TV channels to look at, access to the internet but most likely they will be monitoring what he’s looking at.
[9] Best chance for him to live and get out after 50 years is he converts to Christianity by carrying a bible everywhere he goes.
But think about it Vitaliy he already has 30-40 girls that love him, 5-6 that want to marry him already where is your compassion for these sic ladies?
Hell! They should shoot the lawyers or at least put them in prison as well that plan to defend him.
Norton: they got the wrong kid if they saved his brother who knows or had the info then the situation would be different. The kid knows nothing except what his brother said to him which would have very little.
And healyje: no arguments “their”
As for these stupid sic ladies I would want them montered as well.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
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BTW: How did you know that I was wearing panties?
Guys that look tough in their profile shots almost always do ;) (jk)
Lostinshnghai, that was a lot of funny stuff. I wonder if people actually really believe there are virgins waiting for them in heaven (as a reward for blowing up other humans)....but than again, majority of people believe there is heaven in the first place (LOL).
I saw god yesterday, and he showed me his book. I know all the answers to what is out there after you die. Who wants to sign up for my church? I will take 20% of your yearly income and if you have a pretty daughter, I will take her too. Starting own Church will enable me to climb more and write more TRs...(joking...unless you want to give me 20% of your yearly income)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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lost,
jury by one's peers has been legally established decades ago as NOT what you think
a rapist does not get a jury of rapists, surely you understand the legal wordings of "peers"
when one is incarcerated one does NOT get internet and 300 channels
in most incarcerations inmates get at most only five channels all through the prison cable
and these are things like Discovery and CNN in addition to prison education classes like those wanting to get a GED, and THAT is only with "earned good behavior" and NOT guaranteed or any kind of an inmage "right", I know this because I have a individual serving 15 years that I keep in close touch with
this kid will get the death penalty, and that IS one of the big reasons President Obama instructed our Justice Department to try him as "domestic terrorist" instead of a trial in Massachusetts as an ordinary criminal trial because that state does not allow the death penalty
the only reason he got read his Miranda rights even as a "domestic terrorist" is because he IS a US citizen, largely irrelevant
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
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[8] He will get good health benefits out of it better than you or me, plus all 300 TV channels to look at, access to the internet but most likely they will be monitoring what he’s looking at.
[9] Best chance for him to live and get out after 50 years is he converts to Christianity by carrying a bible everywhere he goes.
[8] Uh, yeah. Been to prison lately? I have (as a PT). No cable, definitely no internet (unless you buy a black market smart phone from one of the guards who'll let you use it for a week, then get one of his buddies to confiscate it, then he'll sell you a new one; repeat as necessary) No they do not have the ability to monitor or block cellular signals in regular prison. Healthcare is laughable. For a prisoner to get to see me, it took 6 months to a year, so most of them let it slide and those that showed up I couldn't do much about because the problem was beyond chronic. Surgery etc is done by uncaring, bitter first year residents because mistakes aren't such a big deal. I saw some horrible hack jobs. Hell, prison ages a person at about 2x the rate, especially if you come in young. He won't live 50 years. Best punishment is to be sent to a supermax 180 configuration (can't see neighbors), get one hour of "rec" time every couple of days (if the guards haven't declared a lock down or they're in a bad mood.), force him to listen to Barry Manilow, Kenny G, and Barney songs nonstop...
Bible thumping will keep you safe, but only if you really live it. They catch you faking it, and you'll be a bloody pulp PDQ. He won't get out by any stretch of the imagination.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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Norton:
Some of it is in jest but no matter how you look at it this will be a circus and Millions of dollars added to our debt.
He will better off in a Federal Prison more easy than a state prison.
Myself I would send him off as well as a few other criminals to the “Bangkok Hilton” [Bangkwang] that way the cost would be in the hundreds rather than millions plus no TV.
As for gang bangers here in CA have our police supply guns, ammo, food, no water, no cell phones and transported to one of the uninhabited island off our coast [not the one we use for missile firing and strange things]; put them on the island and then go back in 3 days and the ones that are left incarcerate.
But I guess that would be too cruel.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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Skeptimistic:
“force him to listen to Barry Manilow, Kenny G, and Barney songs nonstop...”
Lawrence Welk would be a better choice
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 25, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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Our Guys Got it Right Before It Could Happen
Let's give the boys a hand!
A Jersey City man was arrested at a Hoboken train station while carrying two homemade bombs, The Jersey Journal reports, eight days before two bombs exploded at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
27-year-old Mykyta Panasenko was arrested on April 7th aboard a NJ Transit train bound for Suffern, New York. He was carrying two improvised explosive devices, according to police.
Jersey City Police Deputy Chief Peter Nalbach said Thursday that authorities also found material at Panasenko's home "that may have been used to make an explosive device."
Panasenko is also charged with "recklessly creating widespread risk of injury or damage to a building which normally contains 25 or more persons by constructing the explosive devices," the Journal reports.
According to Panasenko's Facebook page, he lived in Jersey City but is originally from Kiev, Ukraine.
And according to his Linkedin page, Panasenko attended Rutgers University in New Brunswick and worked as a mathematician at a company that makes casino games, called High 5 Games.
Police did not publicly report Panasenko's arrest. The Journal learned of his arreste Wednsday in court when he appeared to hear charges.
News of the arrest Thursday comes after revelations that the Tsarnaev brothers, the two suspects in the Boston bombings, had plans set off bombs in Manhattan.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 25, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
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Stooopid fools.
"Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money.
Stooopid Americans ......
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 25, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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Rong.. question
The boys didn't speak Arabic, so they couldn't be Al Qaeda, since they couldn't understand a word of it. right?
So tell us how they could have been more al qaeda than osama butt-waden?
We are waiting for you explanation..
Here's a map of terrorist-related activity in the area. Yellow thumbnails are attacks, blue thumbnails are Russkies catching them before they act;
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217892262123461097139.00047c95413686a85e550&msa=0&ll=43.325178,43.945313&spn=15.942172,28.256836
Someone claiming to be 'healyje' said I never post links....Here you f*#king go! Each thumbnail may have multiple attacks. Read up! That area is rife with this kind of bombing!!!!
Keep in mind the "wounded" usually have severe amputations.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 25, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
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Warner
You missed one heroin, other than that you are correct.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 25, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
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Yeah drugs.
The media whores here are unreal.
The intelligent agencies are not as stupid as people think they are.
They reveal very little to the media and public.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 26, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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The problem with right wingers is that they are too weak and scared to be Real Americans. Sure, they give lip service to the Constitution, but when the rubber hits the road, as this thread proves, they want to throw it out. They aren't strong enough for this document.
They should leave America to the Real Americans.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 26, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Ron your duplicity is showing.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 26, 2013 - 11:56am PT
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I don't know how to break this to you, Ron, but Obama is right of center. And it hasn't been Obama posting on this thread about getting rid of due process. And it is GOP senators that have been calling for military trial.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 26, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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i think, since we have already had a precedence set by the droning of an "enemy combatant" (16 yrs old)
That was a sad day for America and the Constitution.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 26, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
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What exactly is the "confusion"?
Our President ordered the Justice department to try him as a domestic terrorist so that he can face the death penalty.
Today he was transported from the hospital to a prison cell.
Everything is going according to plan
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 26, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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I like to know the rules Jeebs.. And for the life of me,, there is no clarity currently.
And if nothing else, you're known for clarity Ron...... heh.....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 26, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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The biggest problem facing America is gay marriage, not terrorism.
Michelle Bachman
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 26, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbqVqI1cWXc
Same woman at both events?
She’ll be testifying at Truther hearings in FEMA camps “Yes, they did say that. Yes, I saw them do that.” then the front of her face falls off to reveal clock gears and snarled wires and a rats nest embedded in the rusty machinery…”Oooops, next witness your honor…seems this one’s lost face in the eyes of some people…”
LOL ....
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 26, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
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As for gang bangers here in CA have our police supply guns, ammo, food, no water, no cell phones and transported to one of the uninhabited island off our coast [not the one we use for missile firing and strange things]; put them on the island and then go back in 3 days and the ones that are left incarcerate.
Install cameras on that island and make it into the most popular reality TV show there ever was. Make lots of money to cover own budget, get rid of gang bangers. Winning. : )
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 26, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Apr 26, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 26, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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yes, welfare
is there a point?
should we end all "welfare" to make sure that no future terrorist is not on it?
that way we won't feel indigent?
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 26, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
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I for one think it odd that we let those in here claiming to be a refugee, and they get better benefits than those born here.. I find it repulsive to think my tax money went to the pockets of those that went out and bought nails and ball bearings to use against the very people that were helping them..
WHAAAAAAT? That is not normal, Ron. People that come here from other countries deserve a lot more benefits than those who worked their ass off paying taxes and living here all their life. (sarcasm)
I work in a day care center for seniors. For some reason people that are born/raised in US have to pay out of own pocket to attend centers like this one. Those who weren't get to attend for free. Does not make sense to me since those who were not raised here, did not pay taxes here. Would make more sense to have people who did pay taxes here all their life attending for free...at least to me it makes sense.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 26, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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Moose, you're seeming extremely lucid.
If you don't mind my asking, when did you emigrate to the states? At what age?
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 26, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
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If you don't mind my asking, when did you emigrate to the states? At what age?
13
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Apr 26, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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Apparently the feds have detained a couple of the bombers friends in Boston. Why do I find a bit of humor in their customized licence plate?
"Kadyrbayev's father, Murat Kadyrbayev, told Kazak news website Tengri News that Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov were in Tsarnaev's social circle but nothing more. The father also said a "TERRORISTA #1" vanity plate on a BMW jointly owned by the two young men was just a joke."
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 26, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
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Vitaliy: Prefect great idea
True Australia was created this way but this island is small and with so many of them they pretty much have a two square feet standing zone between them. Just enough to take a Dum% or #2. But no paper.
First you get the producer to bury all kinds of drugs on one side of the island: hide and bury beer and hard liquor: whiskey, tequila in another area; next would be the guns most likely on the other side, some easy to find but some harder to find and some with the pins taken out, some ammo 1 mm larger than the arms to match that they find so they would jam.
Have the weather predict when it is going to be a hot spell for a least ten day period, they might be lucky and get breezes coming off one side of the island. No trees just brushes, maybe a few rocks to get under to find shelter from the heat of the sun.
Put out buoys around the island with the sign saying; WARNING Area within these buoys have pens/cages that contains hundreds of sharks that automatically open when any movement within 50 yards. You have Hollywood make up 50 to 60 fake ones to make roam around the island making it look real.
The producer hands out each Banger a card [one side in English the other side in Spanish] with map of the island, trails, beach areas. Diagram and instructions showing how to get water from the sea to use with the rations that are dehydrated and for drinking. The ones in the photo do not need water for the food, if you want to make the electrolyte drinks or coffee then you will need a source of water. The chewing gum that these packs come in is pretty bad but helps in keeping moisture into the mouth.
To make it more exciting the producer tells them some of the rations might be booby trapped with explosives underneath if you try to touch them.
But Hollywood executives might argue they like the idea but since advertising is what we rely on for profits there would probably two, maybe three shows. Now if you get them to change their minds and make it a 24, 36 hours with ads going for five minutes then back to the island for 2 minutes or three showing what’s going on I think they will do it. Tons of money it.
Plus all the betting in Vegas: How many left, the timing when it is all over, who finds what first, who gets shot at the closest time the bets says.
State wins, Military not involved, cities save on less crime; police are happy and just go back to arresting young kids going for joy rides. The prisons guards: State since they are union and private sector will protest will be the big challenge. But there will be a 2014 show that will have more and exciting things added.
Good idea I like that. Just need a name for this reality show.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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How,, does a TRUE muslim assimilate into american culture be it work place or public? Their beliefs are NOTHING like advanced societys. Womans rights? The only right a woman has is to be beaten for anything and everything. Gay rights??
What horse sh#t.
I have known several people over the years who are Muslim and are completely assimilated with beliefs which are "as american as apple pie.". One whose father worked at NASA in a high level position. You seem to be referring to a sect of radicalized people, referring to stereotypes, and dumping every Muslim into that group! Absurd, and frankly, disgusting.
I wonder if you realize that in some conservative Jewish sects, here in the USA, a woman needs her husband's acceptance in order to become divorced? He can "be compelled" to accept, is she can present a case to the rabbi, but if he is just a standard everyday jerk, and doesn't care to be divorced? He can refuse, and the woman will not be able to be remarried in a traditional marriage.
And you have the audactity to use gay rights as support to your gibberish, when gay rights was (incredibly) an actual point of contention in THIS country during the recent presidential election. Where, in this country, you have supposed Christians carrying signs of protest that say "God hates Fags."
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 26, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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If I may ask - how does this easily available web page answering the question "How to Define a True Muslim" defer from your verison?
http://voices.yahoo.com/how-define-true-muslim-3525671.html?cat=34
A true Muslim is God-fearing. He fears none but Almighty Allah. The fear of God guides him and helps him stay away from evils and empowers him to resist satanic temptations. He holds the commandments of his Lord most dear to him and obediently fulfills them with great pleasure. He performs five times prayers regularly and punctually with immense pleasure and proper concentration.
A true Muslim loves Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him), the last prophet of Islam, more than his own dear life, for he believes that his faith remains incomplete unless he loves his prophet above all else. Having unshakable belief in the Holy Quran revealed on the prophet of Islam, he also has firm belief in the saying of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him). He never doubts in the veracity of Hadiths (the sayings of the prophet). The pleasure of Allah and his Apostle Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is his ultimate goal.
With fulfillment of the rights of God, a true Muslim takes every care not to neglect the rights of people. The rights of people are equally important for him. He tries his best not to hurt anyone and do full justice with everyone who comes into his contact. He is polite, courteous, kind, generous, forgiving and honest in his attitude towards the people he meets in his day-to-day life. Once he promises, he never breaks it or back out of it. He takes utmost care to fulfill all his commitments with people. A true Muslim is indeed a man of words.
Islam connotes Peace. It is indeed a religion of peace. Its true followers are all peace-loving people. A true Muslims hates violence and extremism. Ironically and regrettably, Muslims are being maligned and labeled as terrorists these days because of some gross misconceptions among western media, which needs to understand the true picture or reality before it goes ahead to say something about Islam and its followers. Just because of a few misguided Muslims, one cannot blame the all the Muslims in the world. A good car cannot be blamed because of its careless or inexperienced driver.
A heart of a good and true Muslim is free from hatred, bias, prejudice, rancor, grudge and ill-will. He loves all irrespective of his caste, color, creed or religion. He is not narrow-minded. He wants love and peace to rule supreme in the entire world. He believes in equality, brotherhood, unity and love for all.
To conclude, a good Muslim always seeks salvation from His God. The worldly failures or success is immaterial for him. He aims at ultimate success--- to win the pleasure of Allah and his apostle to be successful Herein and the Hereafter.
As well, when you feel a need to abuse a person by making fun of their name, as you have done to me, it does not speak well of your character.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 26, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
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And all of this because two FBI agents did not do the proper procedures and here we are back to trying to get it right the next time and hopefully keeping what little rights when it comes down to just expressing a feeling or thought and put on a Government list just like it was back in the late 60's, 70's.
Sad
'As well, when you feel a need to abuse a person by making fun of their name, as you have done to me, it does not speak well of your character.'
Well said
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 26, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
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Ron....please point out the abuses I have inflicted on you.
As for your dismissal of my point with "Read the Quaran, and then get back to me," that is all you have done -sidestepped answering a question. I am sure you are aware there are many passages in the Christian bible which would have some wackos believing all sorts of strange things and behaving in ways which would end them in jail, in this society. Yet for some reason, that is easy enough to ignore for your purposes.
Listen - I think that if those guys who did the bombing are guilty, then they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. But I also think it is doing a real injustice to many people of this country and this world to flock to the stereotypes you seem to be relying on.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 26, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
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So tell me where these supposed evil christians are killing innocents just in the name of the Lord?
Would you consider the bombing of abortion centers to be killing others in the name of the Lord an example?
Our army isnt comprised of christians, but all nationalities religions and creeds.. Our govt isnt made of just Christians either.
What country has an army which is comprised solely of radicalized Muslims? What country has a government made of solely of one sect of Muslims?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 26, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
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Our army isnt comprised of christians...
Do a google search on 'fundamentalism "service academies"' - Fundamentalist evangelical christians have swept through the military since 2001 and are now openly and actively proselytizing in the academies and in the field. It has become significant enough of a problem for people to have begun resigning their commission over what they see as a growing unconstitutional religious influence within our military.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 26, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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Happiegrrrl
That’s America’s biggest problem being naďve, uneducated, do not read or listen/learn but more interested who is wearing what, who is dated who, who is getting a divorce and what is the next movie going or TV show.
Then you have the people that travel and learn different cultures that get the education and meet real people that are no difference but for some that love hate because they do not understand and never will.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 26, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
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Ron
I can see now why you say you were once LEO or maybe a Fed. Bureau never went after abortion bombing in the 70’s and 80’s, looked the other way it was the Christian thing to do. Never knew what terrorism was till they finally defined it after 2000, but seems they still do not get it since the two FBI guys that went over to see if these terrorists were anything to worry about and even the Russians said there is concern these two FBI agents now have burden to live with it the rest of their lives of the killing and injuries they let happen because they were stupid.
Sound familiar?
It will come up in the trail. But you will have to wait a couple of years.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 26, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
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I don't see what the FBI should have done. They can't just follow hundreds of thousands of people around- I'm guessing the various potential terrorist lists are huge.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 26, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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Ron is by far the craftiest of the lot on this thread. He has put himself in front of Dr. F and the minions for years now at why are republicans wrong about everything.. Without him that thread of yours would have no legs and would have squirmed to a halt long ago. So guys, next time you indulge in your inevitable hateful monotone rants look at who you have to thank-Ron. You guys really need to see psychiatrists but until your ACA psych benefits kick in you have Dr. Ron to keep you from going publically postal.Good day ladies and gentlemen.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 26, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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You really should be thanking Ron, Joe, nobody else would indulge you for so long. And yes, every once in awhile the absurdity of it all is quite humorous, a la Colbert.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 26, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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2000+ posts basically speculating with nearly no hard information...
...carry on
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Apr 26, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
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Ron
Ever hear of the Council for National Policy (CNP)
First take a look of the usual suspects and how they play in our government. A couple of them are dead.
Their first meeting in ‘81, I was living in Canada at the time and something was slipped under my door, “Strange why me?” Better question by who? Never opened the door since I was preoccupied and did not notice. When seeing the letter at first notice I did but no one there. Lived on top floor only four condos and knew the other three for sure not them so will never know.
“Members are instructed not to refer to the organization by name, to protect against leaks.”
Hell! It was their first meeting people make mistakes but see they changed things I think it had to do to a young Muslim and me.
Need to leave right now Friday you know but will get back to you about what’s to come in the future with these wonderful people and by the way hit the name Erik Prince where it says mother of Erik Prince. Ah! Notice Oly baby can’t miss it. Think I posted Prince’s name a couple days ago.
After dinner sat alone at the hotel bar General Singlaub sees me sits down with his aid the discussion was quite interesting. I will try not to make it too long.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 06:50am PT
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coz wrote:
The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
The hijackers were Saudi and Egyptian.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 06:54am PT
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ron anderson wrote:
The main difference is ,, that from what i see,, christians arent engaged in world wide mayhem..
GW Bush pretty much declared the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions as Christianity against Islam.
ron anderson wrote:
And if you mean i stereo type radical islam,, well yeah,, there is only ONE radical islam.
Actually, it isn't. Hizbollah, the PLO, Hamas, etc., are not extremists for the same reasons. Islam is cover for the underlying geo-political tension/conflict.
F'ckinA, Ron, pick up a book or a newspaper once in a while.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 10:48am PT
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Hezbollah is Shiite and Hamas is Sunni.
But if I get the gist of what you're saying is that the protestant terrorism of the Ku Klux Klan in the USA and the Catholic terrorism of the IRA in Great Britain is all just the same "radical Christianity"?
What about the genocide in the Sudan? Two groups of Muslim faith involved. You'd have to know about the history of the area to understand that Islam had nothing to do with that conflict.
You just don't try to dig or think about things any deeper than scratching the Fox News surface, do you?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 27, 2013 - 11:07am PT
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The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11
I thought that was just their bullshit excuse.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 11:30am PT
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ron anderson wrote:
Not talking about the Sudan conflicts. Im not talking about the Buddhists and muslim conflict either. Im talking about two Chechens who "defended islam" or 19 plane-jackers, or a Ft Hood person that killed for "allah".
So what you're writing in the above is that they're not all the same, right?
In other words we can't just make the sweeping "all attacks and conflicts are radical Islam" generalization, right? Each has its own geopolitical specifics, so it would be stupid (and unsafe) to approach everything with the same strategy and through the same lens, wouldn't it?
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 11:33am PT
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ron anderson wrote:
Now,, as for your Yahoo.com answer to true muslim, all i will suggest is READING the Qua-ran.. Then get back to me.
So you've read the Koran in it's original Arabic, right? And you have a strong grasp of 7th century Arabic, I assume (you know, as to not misinterpret expressions and all).
I probably shouldn't assume, it makes an ass out of you and me.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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...picking up book or newspaper narrowly averted!!!!
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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Ron,
You're asking people to read the Koran, but have you actually read the book or haven't you?
It's like Christians quoting the Old Testament as the literal truth, but have only actually read the thing in modern English instead of the original Hebrew (which is really an Aramaic dialect) and putting the expressions in the original Hebrew into their context. A simple example would be the number 40 coming up a lot, which was a number used to basically indicate "a long time". (40-day flood, 40 years in the desert, ...).
I'm not trying to refute that certain Muslim communities don't overreact to political cartoons depicting the prophet Mohamed in an unflattering way.
However, you seem to easily dismiss the violent parts of the Old Testament - stoning, animal sacrifice, et al, - as no longer applicable, as do many of the proclaimed religious in here do, and no one (other than one or two anti-semites on supertopo) attributes the violent Israeli policy in the occupied Palestine to violence in the Torah.
Yet for some illogical reason you attribute episodes of violence committed by a few Muslims to a small portion of the translated texts of a book written centuries ago (a book that you have not even read), and then generalize about not only the 1.5 billion Muslims across the planet (who most live in India, China, and Indonesia) as well as the extremist groups committing their violence in the name of Islam.
This radical ignorance on your part is just fine with guys like GW Bush and Cheney, because it allows them to (wrongly) invade countries in the Middle East like Iraq with your full and unquestioning support.
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Degaine
climber
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Apr 27, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
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ricky wrote:
Coz climbs 5.14. I know this because he told me. Several times.
Not sure why you wrote this. Coz clearly is an experienced climber, guide, and rigger.
He has my respect and my ear when it comes to climbing( and climbing equipment).
But he doesn't know jack sh#t about the Middle East, and I would say he almost as dangerously ignorant as ron anderson.
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Tready
Trad climber
Quito
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Apr 27, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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The Mideast has a pretty craptacular track record with women's rights; I don't think you'd find anyone who would argue that. There is progress being made on that front though, and it should be applauded, just like women/minorities continuing to get rights in the US.
I lived in Syria for just under two years, and my experiences appear to be the opposite of yours. Weird. Particularly the bit about women on the street always cowering. Didn't see it in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Egypt, though when I did travel I tended to be in the more urban areas (with the exception of Jordan). That could be a reason - those backwards places tend to be bastions for narrow mindedness and stupidity.
No one is saying those people in Boston deserved to be murdered, but you can't look at the US's foreign policy over the past decade and be shocked when some nutjob blows himself up in the name of Allah. Bush's invasions and Obama's drone attacks have been a better recruiting tool for those extremist groups than anything.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 27, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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The trend seems to be going backwards in terms of women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa, or Islamic culture. Sharia is becoming 'cool' again there.
Algeria and Tunisia appear to be fighting to be the exceptions. But, they're fighting it. Egypt, after Mubarak's fall, has gotten worse. People were supposed to be more "free" once the "brutal dicatator" was overthrown. Go ask women and Coptic Christians how that is going.
Afghanistan in the 70's was like Turkey of today. Chicks in skirts, and a general secular culture.
Islam is not the problem, per se. It just my need a reformation from within. Anybody, trust me I know this, can twist words and bend interpretations. As the Catholic Church did, Islam needs a reformation.
But, as I said, it seems to be getting worse, not more moderate. Pay attention to North Africa, Southern Thailand, and Southeastern India. Intolerance is spreading.
Radical Islam is on the march again. Let's hope it doesn't take another Crusade to stop it. Maybe it can be stopped from within.
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Tready
Trad climber
Quito
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Apr 27, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
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Ron, what do you mean by “we don’t act like the Taliban here for the vast majority?” I don’t understand what you’re getting at with the other stuff about attacks against Muslims in the US either, or the rest of that paragraph, to be quite honest.
I will say, though that the whole “Tsarnaev doesn’t deserve any rights or a trial. We should just execute him” sounded very Taliban-esque to me.
Coz,
“HARD-WON PROGRESS AND A LONG ROAD AHEAD: WOMEN’S RIGHTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA” – Sanja Kelly
http://www.freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/270.pdf
The study, of which I skimmed the first 12ish pages, indicates that the Mideast/North Africa region is the worst in the world in terms of women’s rights, but to say there is no progress being made is wrong.
“Although the study indicates that a substantial deficit in women’s rights persists in every country in the MENA region, the findings also include notable progress, particularly in terms of economic opportunities, educational attainment, and political participation” (1).
“The most significant achievement occurred in Kuwait, where women received the same political rights as men in 2005, enabling them to vote and run for office, and paving the way for the election of the country’s first female members of parliament in 2009. In Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the first women judges were appointed in 2006 and 2008, respectively”(2).
“In the UAE, eight women were appointed and one secured election to the 40-member Federal National Council (FNC), an advisory body to the hereditary rulers of the seven emirates. Previously, no women had served on the FNC, which until 2006 was fully appointed by the seven rulers. In other countries, such as Oman and Bahrain, the government has appointed an increasing number of women to unelected positions, including cabinet and diplomatic posts” (11).
Also, Saudi Arabia gave women voting rights in 2011.
Edit: Yeah, the whole Arab Spring really changed the landscape, and It'll be real interesting to see what that report says, should they do another edition in 2015.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 28, 2013 - 12:48am PT
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Ron,
You're asking people to read the Koran, but have you actually read the book or haven't you?
This is the mistake. I do not need to understand Islamic faith or read a f*#king book. THEY need to bring their culture into the 21st century!
That does not mean they to have welcome degeneracy or immorality, but they need a reformation.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Apr 28, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
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Bluering, the "read the Quaran" remark was made to Ron, in direct response to his posting the following:
Now,, as for your Yahoo.com answer to true muslim, all i will suggest is READING the Qua-ran.. Then get back to me.
He told ME to read the book, and someone asked him if HE had.
But as for "them needing" to do anything - who says? It is major horse crap to suggest that all the upset over middle eastern policy is due to their human rights issues, because of the way they treat women. This country doesn't give a rat's ass about how women in other countries are treated. The problem is - we want their resources, and we want them at bargain rates. And they don't want to make a deal.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 12:18am PT
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The problem is - we want their resources, and we want them at bargain rates. And they don't want to make a deal.
I gotta call BS here. We did NOt get their resources, we sat back and let the Chinese get all the f*#king contracts!
And why did we help overthrow Mubarak in Egypt, or Ghaddafi in Libya?
Oil? Resources? Crock of f*#king shit! Islam is a poison. And it's spreading.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 12:27am PT
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What is eternally fascinating to me is "enightened, feminists" defending Islam. And even converting!
They bash Western culture, saying men are sexist, misoginyst, but they embrace women's slavery in a veil.
What's also disappointing is that more women here don't CONDEMN sharia law and that treatment of women.
You silence is deafeneing!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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Edit: Yeah, the whole Arab Spring really changed the landscape, and It'll be real interesting to see what that report says, should they do another edition in 2015.
Ah yes, another f*#king "intellectual" who supposes we should sit and wait and see how many chix get raped or forced into clitorectomies. Let's wait and evaluate that. Real f*#king smart!
What is needed is us telling them to f*#k off entirely, get out. Or do some real intervention.
I say get out. Let them kill each other and rape the women. Then you liberals will want a war.
Sorry, that's the way it will be. Ever seen what they do to girls? Not pretty.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 12:52am PT
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I was talking to my climbing bro today and evidenced my "I Hate People" thread.
People are stupid. I cannot tolerate this sh#t. We ran into 1 group that was cool. Nice people. 2 other groups were f*#king lame, almost had to tell a c#&% to go f*#k herself.
She was priceless! I was this......close!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 12:59am PT
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JGhedge, this chick was a bitch! Me and my bro were delivering beta up to flaiging climbers, and she snivelled, "That's not proper etiquette"
We were trying to help them out! And nobody said we don't want beta.
You had to be there. Class-A Bitch!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 29, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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Seek help.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 01:09am PT
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Seek help.
You guys really think you're clever and sh#t. But you're weird...
Seek help? Maybe you should? You guys are weird.
Ever post any climbing sh#t, Kenny?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 01:26am PT
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Do you guys have beta foe getting out of the bathtub?
Try not to be a leg-humping troll so much, as#@&%e! Huh-huh, you think you're really f*#king smart?
F*#k off, bro.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 29, 2013 - 01:34am PT
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What is eternally fascinating to me is "enightened, feminists" defending Islam. And even converting!
They bash Western culture, saying men are sexist, misoginyst, but they embrace women's slavery in a veil.
What's also disappointing is that more women here don't CONDEMN sharia law and that treatment of women.
You silence is deafeneing!
Too awesome to not repeat.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 29, 2013 - 01:56am PT
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Has blue passed out yet?
Bubbles in a bathtub.
Shoulda got the beta.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 02:16am PT
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I'm here. When they come for you, you're own your own.
And quit leg-humping Jeebus~! Fag!
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 29, 2013 - 10:30am PT
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Myopic stupidity is a poison. And it's spreading.
There ya go. All fixed. Let us know when you finish the bottle.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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3 more arrested in the Boston bombings.. GLAD they were able to get SOME info before he was given rights undeserved.
from CNN.com...
The Kazakh students face charges of making false statements to investigators and conspiracy to obstruct justice, according to a federal law enforcement source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.
Suspects disposed of backpacks, fireworks from dorm room, source says.
This is just a precursor. These dopes will be spending 20+ in the big house for obstruction of a terrorism investigation. Glad they will never get laid by choice.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Central Park Five... all coerced into confessing... all young minorities... all convicted and incarcerated... all innocent of the crime in question...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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As stated earlier, right wingers are too scared and fearful to be Real Americans. They are ready to jettison the Constitution at the drop of a hat.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Have we given "trails" to all the other GITMO residents?? Noooo..
of course not, they were arrested on foreign soil and they are not US citizens
by your question, I take it Ron that you believe they should all be given trials now?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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My advice for you (and plenty of others) is to stop reading the paper and newswires, and don't watch the evening news on the telly - ever. You will be far happier and much less fearful when you go to Scolaris.
DMT +1
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Ron, I agree that the 16 year old in Yemen shouldn't have been killed.
I also agree that Tsarnayev, an American citizen arrested in the USA deserves a trial.
McVeigh got one. Terry Nichols got one. Kaczyinski got one. Eric Rudolph got one. Robert Chambliss got one. Richard Reid got one. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab got one. David Harlow got one. Chevie Kehoe and Danny Lee got one. Sirhan Sirhan got one. James Earl Ray got one. Omar Abdel Rahman got one.
Should I continue?
On Friday morning in downtown Manhattan, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law appeared in a federal courtroom to be charged with conspiring to kill Americans. In a sober, orderly proceeding that lasted a total of 17 minutes, Judge Lewis Kaplan explained to Suleiman Abu Ghaith his rights, appointed his defense lawyers, read the charges against him, recorded his plea of “not guilty,” ordered the prisoner’s continued detention and announced that he would set a trial date for the case in 30 days.
Prosecutors have already turned over the bulk of their unclassified evidence against the defendant. Abu Ghaith, who was transferred to New York from Jordan on March 3, is reportedly cooperating with federal authorities and providing important information about al Qaeda.
It was, in others words, an ordinary, orderly federal court arraignment in an international terrorism case. Almost 500 such defendants have been convicted in U.S. federal courts on U.S. soil since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Ron,
If someone is allowed to pick and choose who gets due process and who gets minimal process, the system becomes open (or more open) to corruption and eventually you and I will end up with that same minimal process. Everyone musty get it as a matter of policy or the protections afforded us by that process are gone.
Plus, I was not at any of the incidents mentioned where there was 100% sureness that the perpetrator was known. I can either rely on the system to make sure that the wrong person is not just thrown in a hole or I can rely on people to ensure that. Again, people are corrupt and cannot be trusted so the system is in place to try to avoid that corruption. At least corruption is harder with a system that treats everyone equally, or tries to.
There are too many extremists who say that they are on the side of law and order but would jump at the chance to bypass the law and just lynch someone accused of a heinous crime. As soon as they get emotional about it, the idea of a trial and even Miranda rights will get thrown out the window. Why read a guy his rights if he is obviously the criminal? Why not just kill the guy on site? Arrests are a waste of my money, right?
A system where there is a way to expedite a trial and give less defense to some than to others is a system that will fail more miserably than anything we have now. We are a people, no a species, of prejudice and that prejudice will take over if we have a system that caters to people who want to expedite things just because they are a bit more pissed of than normal.
Really, I would agree with the idea of expediting justice but I just can't put my trust in anyone to make the right decision when the time comes to actually decide a case.
Dave
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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They just might be that nice muslim neighbor youve known for ten years, that shocks you completely because of his nice warm nature.
What should we do to our nice warm Muslim neighbors, just sit around and WAIT for them to attack us?!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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There seems to be confusion over the death of a 16 year old who was born in Denver.
All reports state that the boy was NOT the "target" of the drone attack which killed numerous known al-kay-duh terrorists.
The boy HAPPENED to be with the group.
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki
Anwar Al-Awlaki and Egyptian-born Gihan Mohsen Baker had an American son, born on September 13, 1995, in Denver, named Abdulrahman Anwar Al-Awlaki.[246] Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed at the age of 16 in an American drone strike on Friday, October 14, 2011, in Yemen, along with alleged al-Qaeda members.[247] Nine other people were killed in the same CIA-led attack. Among the dead was a 17-year-old cousin of Abdulrahman.[
so Ron, HOW exactly is his death somehow a "failure" of the drone program any more than the unintended deaths of MANY civilians who were are continue to be killed in US drone attacks on al-kay-duhs?
so fuking what if he was "born" in Denver, his al-kay-duh father got him out of the USA as a young child and raised him in Yemen
why is his death SUCH a huge big ass deal to you?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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edit: Norton,, ive answered that THOROUGHLY here. scroll doood..
no, what you have done is constantly criticize your own governments Defense Authorization Act and your big criticism seems to be your personal horror and indignation over the is 16 year old killed in a drone attack.
This ONE aspect of the NDAA is sure a big deal to you, Ron
you keep bringing it up
yet, you never laid out why this particular 16 year old is so special to you, especially so because he was not the target of the drone attack, just happened to be with the group
I am guessing that your "outrage" over this incident is what? ...because you personally think that our intelligence people should NOT have requested that the NDAA contain the authorization that yes we can and will kill anyone, US citizen or not, on US soil or not, IF we have damn good reason to believe that they are participating or planning attacks against America
you damn right that should be in the NDAA, because it does not matter a bit, not even a little, if someone is born in the USA or not, or if is carrying out his terrorist crap IN the USA or not,
ALL Americans, including YOU, ought to support our people when they want every possible authorization to kill the same radical Islamists you rail against
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Well Norton, the way President Obama and the administration have been able to get the number of innocents lower is to change the way that they classify folks. They now call any 16-80 year old male killed in a drone strike an insurgent.
That the President can and is killing Americans, and in a couple of cases unarmed ones, for just sh#t talking, should shock anyone who believes that the constitutional form of government is good and to be followed. Without the rule of law, what do you wind up with?
This lack of due process in violation of the law via announced legal sophistry, and avoidance of due process, is very very disturbing.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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They now call any 16-80 year old male killed in a drone strike an insurgent.
The oldest trick in the book. When the Palestinians blow up a bus load of Israeli kids, the Palestinians are called terrorists. When Israelis blow up a bus load of Palestinian kids, the Israelis are called commandos.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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As a native-born Irishman, I have to point out the terrible irony of everybody in Boston trying to figure out where in Russia these two went for training, when generations of Irish terrorists flew into Logan airport to openly train on AR's and AK's at New England shooting camps.
Or the millions of dollars raised in Boston to buy semtex from Ghadaffi, or the seven tons of guns and ammo that sailed out of Boston harbor on the fishing boat Valhalla, or the boatloads more that were never intercepted?
TE
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Their principal benefactor.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Werner noted: "Couchmaster don't pay any attention to this stupid fool."
LOL, Werner, but then you replied to him, thus giving him the attention he is seeking. There's a difficult conundrum brother:-)
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/01/man-angry-over-boston-bombings-breaks-jaw-of-fcking-muslim-iraq-war-veteran/
Man angry over Boston bombings breaks jaw of ‘f*cking Muslim’ Iraq war veteran
By David Edwards
Wednesday, May 1, 2013 15:35 EDT
Topics: Dahlberg ♦ Emerald Aviation President Ed Dahlberg ♦ Mohamed A. Salim
A 39-year-old Muslim cab driver who served in the Iraq war says that an executive from an aviation company accused him of being a jihadist and broke his jaw in what activists are calling a hate crime.
Mohamed A. Salim told The Washington Post that Emerald Aviation President Ed Dahlberg attacked him after he picked him up at Country Club of Fairfax in Northern Virginia at around 2 a.m. on Friday. Dahlberg had been drinking and was told that he would have to finish his open beer before getting into the cab.
Salim recorded audio of the encounter on his cell phone.
Dahlberg can be heard asking Salim, who emigrated from Somalia, to define “jihad” and then lumping him in with “radical f*#king Muslims blowing people up all over the world.”
“Denounce those motherf*#kers now!” Dahlberg demands. “If you’re a f*#king Muslim flying jets into the f*#king World Trade Center then f*#k you. I will slice your f*#king throat right now.”
After Salim threatens to call 911, Dahlberg can be seen grabbing for the cell phone.
Salim said that Dahlberg left the cab, but then returned and broke his jaw before running into the woods.
Dahlberg was charged with misdemeanor assault and police are determining if charges should be elevated to a felony hate crime. The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) on Monday said that medical records and the 11-minute cell phone recording were being used as evidence in the case.
In a statement, Dahlberg’s attorney, Demetry Pikrallidas, admitted that his client “became rather emotional as the discussion turned to jihad and 9/11, and especially heated on the subject of jihadists who want to harm America.”
Pikrallidas insisted that Dahlberg did not assault Salim.
The website for Dahlberg’s company, Emerald Aviation, was offline for four days of “scheduled maintenance” as of Wednesday afternoon. A cached copy of the website listed him as the president and said he had “20 years experience in the field of business and commercial aviation” and was known for “transparent business transactions and always effectively representing the best interests of his clients.”
Salim is a naturalized U.S. citizen and is an Army Reserve sergeant who has worked in intelligence and as a linguist. He served in Iraq and at the Guantanamo Bay detention center.
“I sacrificed for this country,” Salim told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday. “And I myself was fighting the terrorists and I’m against acts of violence. I’m not a terrorist. I’m not a jihadist. I’m American like you.”
“Whether he’s guilty of assault or not is up to a jury to decide, but the video makes it clear that the guy is a bigoted as#@&%e,” Jalopnik’s Patrick George observed on Wednesday. “There’s no excuse for treating someone else this way.”
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So how about cremating him and scattering his ashes at sea? Cheap and easy.
Oh, wait, we don't want to offend any religious sensibilities now, do we?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Just throw the body into the ocean before there can be identification or an autopsy. lol. That's how we Mericans deal with dead Muslims "to respect there cultural values". That's actually what they said. sh#t...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I dont blame them a bit for not wanting some POS islamic radical buried in their dirt. Not even the local land fills should be abused in that way.
Gdamn Ron, he's dead, it just doesn't f*#king matter. Nevada is typically the home of toxic waste burial, I think he should go there.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Now the boundaries delineated by crackers who had been there less than 3 generations before arbitrarily defining the geography of the state are somehow sacred?
What about all the witches that are buried there... from the infamous Witch Hunts?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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May 10, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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While we are made to suffer over our own crazies, it seems that tolerance level has been squashed a bit for every one elses crazies.
i thought he had US citizenship which means he was one of us....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 10, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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According to today's WSJ Tsarnaev's homies in Dagestan didn't think he was
one of them, either, and basically sent him packing. They thought he was
a poser. I guess he showed them.
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Alan Rubin
climber
Amherst,MA.
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May 10, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
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News reports today are claiming that the police have developed evidence linking both Tsarnaev brothers to a 2011 triple murder (my memory from earlier reports is that the murder occured on Sept. 11)in Waltham,MA, a Boston suburb close to Cambridge and Watertown. It had been known that one of the victims was an individual that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had claimed at the time was his best friend, but now the police are reporting forensic (likely DNA) and cell phone records for both brothers placing them either at or near the crime scene.
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Gene
climber
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Apr 15, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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Bump
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
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Apr 15, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
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^If I can cut a deal for the body, would you stuff him?
In my not very humble opinion he should be put to work in the penal colony to pay for his food and left alone to think about it for the rest of his life however long that may be.
“It would have been so pointless to kill himself that, even if he had wanted to, the pointlessness would have made him unable.”
― Franz Kafka
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 15, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
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Wow...that's amazing. Public opinion in Boston was pretty strongly against the death penalty for this guy, much to my surprise.
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couchmaster
climber
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May 15, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
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Death penalty? Should rename it as justice delayed is justice denied.
History lesson. Feb 15th 1933, guy takes a shot at FDR, woman next to him accidentally bumps him and he hits a mayor right next to the President instead. He was sentenced to 80 years in jail. Later, the mayor died, so they revised the sentence. March 5th, 1933 the man was executed for the death of the mayor. Justice served. End of story. Anyone want to do that math? From the shooting to the sentence being carried out, less than 3 weeks.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-escapes-assassination-in-miami
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 15, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
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I am not proud that we are the only first world country with the death penalty.....good ole American exceptionalism at it again.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 15, 2015 - 04:56pm PT
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Some portion of the directly impacted families prefer that the killer had been given a life sentence. The appeals process for them is a further emotional burden that they would rather not shoulder.
"The trial was bad enough, but this is ten times worse"
-Bob Dylan
A lot of death penalty (killing) advocates appear to be more concerned with themselves than the victims and their families.
Terminating the killer also terminates his suffering. I'm all for letting him suffer. He's gonna be looking over his shoulder no matter where he is and how long he lives.
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crankster
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 05:09pm PT
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Not everyone shares your glee...
Bill and Denise Richards, parents of the bombing's littlest victim, 8-year-old Martin, looked on stoically from the second row. They were against the death penalty.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 15, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
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Many of the jurors (who served the sentence) apparently broke down in tears after it was announced by the judge. That decision would be an unenviable task for anyone, except for some ST armchair QB'er 'hardliners'.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 15, 2015 - 06:42pm PT
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Like they been sayin' for years now, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
The killer wasn't mentally impaired in anyway, he made his choices. Now he should live with them. This wasn't a "crime of passion". It was a thought out (malice aforethought), planned slaughter and maiming of innocent people.
Save your pity for the animals, who don't make these kind of choices.
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crankster
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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Don't disagree with the penalty or have pity on him.
Just agree with this statement by the prosecutor...
“It is not a day for political or moral debate. It is a day for reflection and healing.”
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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May 16, 2015 - 10:38am PT
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I'd rather be put to death than spend a life in a super max prison. So my opinion he got the better deal!
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