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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 1, 2012 - 12:23am PT
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http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_21203476/bill-making-pinnacles-national-park-passes-house
Legislation to upgrade the Pinnacles National Monument to a national park passed the House of Representatives on a voice vote Tuesday.
The Pinnacles National Park Act, H.R. 3641, was introduced by Rep. Sam Farr, D-Carmel, last year and co-sponsored by Rep. Jeff Denham, R-Atw#ter.
The bill now moves to the U.S. Senate.
Farr said the Pinnacles' 26,000 acres is "a rare California gem" with unique geology, cultural history, recreational opportunities and wildlife.
The Pinnacles, named a national monument in 1908 by President Theodore Roosevelt, would be the nation's 59th national park.
To attract Republican support, part of the bill to expand wilderness in the Pinnacles by 3,000 acres was dropped.
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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I remember when the John Muir Wilderness expanded under a republican president. I'm going to have to go back and look at the makeup of congress at the time.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 12:38am PT
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Yeah, I don't mind expanded wilderness at Pinns, but Parks only bring loop roads, less parking, less camping, "projects" that don't necessarily support wildlife, habitat, or recreational activities.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 12:40am PT
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oops, didn't check for prior thread...
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1892515/The-destruction-of-the-Pinnacles
apologies for thread jumpin
This just chaps my hide. Carmel rep is just jonesing for a Park so he can sell his little seaside town as the place to stay and go drive to the West Side, where there will be incremental changes over time that ruin the "wild" flavor that often can be felt on that side of the MONUMENT!
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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I'll forgive you for jumpin my thread this time...next time you will be mocked!
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Would hate to see that. West side Pinns is truly an adventure. Somewhat off topic but is the 70's looking "It's happening in Soledad!" sign still up? It lent a lost in time vibe to the west side approach passing it in the late 90's / early aughts...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 12:46am PT
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Exactly Jody!!
Gracias for your forbearance srb! :) [bonus points for who said it first?]
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Okay folks. How do we gracefully merge threads? Just a thought.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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That place would be a lot prettier if they got rid of those giant turkey vultures
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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OK I just "gracefully merged" the threads.
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Solid of you Srbphoto. I know you posted up first on this. The lack of tools for organization on this forum is annoying sometimes.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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I'm curious where the funding is going to come from.
Bullfrog: thanks, it was a tough decision to remove writing as eloquent and masterful from the internet forever.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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To upgrade this website?
Not happening. Apparently.
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Yeah. As far as upgrading the forum, no incentive there. Make the best of what you've got or band together and start something else.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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OK I just "gracefully merged" the threads.
Sorry, OT, but how did you delete your thread?
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Friends of Pinnacles(www.pinnacles.org) is trying to get some information from Park staff on just what this might mean in the long term.
For those of you who haven't been to the west side of the Pinnacles recently, the new visitor center, located in a much less ecologically-sensitive area, is now open. All the buildings located at the old parking area have been removed. This is a good trend that hopefully continues.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Crab: if you begin a thread you can hit edit on the original post. There is a delete this post check box. When you delete the OP the whole thread goes away
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 03:07am PT
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Thx Bruce for kicking off an inquiry.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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you got a lot to live
and pespi's got a lot to give
just quit rolling boulders on people
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Bad Climber
climber
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I don't get it. Why this zeal to make everything a national parking lot? I don't see that it would improve the place one iota. What it will do is swell the budget and give some fat bureaucrats more money. I think will lead to a degradation of pinnacles. Had many a good time there. Shame.
BAd
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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What it will do is swell the budget and give some fat bureaucrats more money
bigger fiefdom
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Too bad about the Pinnacles. JTree used to be nice too.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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maybe they can lease the visitor center to Clint Eastwood so he can create a film "campus" like Lucas Arts in the Presidio
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Greg Barnes
climber
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I don't get it. Why this zeal to make everything a national parking lot?
an upgrade of Pinnacles to park status has enthusiastic support from local elected officials and businesses who hope that the national park cachet will draw tourists, especially the foreign kind, who now pass by unaware of the rock formations along U.S. Highway 101.
Europeans often plan vacations around national parks, but many have no idea what a national monument is.
"People come down there and say, 'Where's the statue?' "
from http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Pinnacles-monument-closer-to-park-status-3751450.php
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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It's job security for federal workers. They'll need to do development plans and "environmental impact" statements and studies. At least there will finally be places to eat pizza, buy groceries, picnic by the car and do laundry. Then you'll finally have climbing rangers too to help with the bolting issues that they will have to get everyone fired up over so they can deal with it.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
los gatos. ca
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LAME! Hopefully people won't appreciate the place and stay away..
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Soledad could use a bump in eco-tourism, not that I really want to see it. I am amazed how little visited that park is, shame it would change.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I'm curious how there could be less camping than there is already. Also, since the NPS already manages the Monument, I, for one, don't see why we need this, but I also don't see how this really changes anything.
John
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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I'm pretty sure that JT would still be overcrowded even if it remained a National Monument.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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My primary point J...
"don't see how this really changes anything"
So why fool around with a good thing... except to lay the ground work for later development years down the line when user days go up and the need for greater regulation becomes necessary.
Keep Pinnacles Sleepy
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msiddens
Trad climber
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Bah I love that park but fear "change" from it.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Thanks for the clarification, Munge. I agree with that reasoning. It continues to amaze me how uncrowded the High Peaks remain during what, to me, is prime season (late fall through early spring).
Oops! I guess I'd better keep my mouth shut.
John
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
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lol, no doubt. First rule of Pinnacles Club... No one talks about Pinnacles Club!
Second rule of Pinnacles Club...
lol
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Forest
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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You guys must be kidding on the "quiet and not crowded" thing. Last time I tried to climb in pinnacles, it was a total zoo.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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The Soledad sign when coming into town says
"Feel the Momentum"
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msiddens
Trad climber
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Forest- it can be crowded as hell. You gotta hike to get away from the hordes....
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