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rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 20, 2011 - 08:59pm PT

Today a local guide had his pack stolen from in front of the Indian Cove market. He left it unadvisedly just outside the door while he went inside. The pack contained his entire rack, rope, plus his guide school harnesses and helmets (which were not his, they belong to the guide school).

If anyone hear's of any Ebay or other sales of gear, please post up!

Robert Fonda

climber

Cardiff by the sea

Feb 20, 2011 - 09:05pm PT

Sheesh :(

That bites. I'll keep an eye out

NigelSSI

Trad climber

Feb 20, 2011 - 09:05pm PT

Gear thieves have a special place in hell.

I'm thinking large 2 axle cams up the a*# with no trigger wires. Have fun, you heartless bastards!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2011 - 09:09pm PT

Some of us guides actually have two separate gear stashes, one for guiding, one for personal. I don't think he has this. Which means, he's f*#ked. His tools have been stolen to earn money.

MTucker

Ice climber

Arizona

Feb 20, 2011 - 09:24pm PT

That is a tough lesson to learn.

I don't trust too many people.

I certainly don't leave anything unlocked or just sitting on the sidewalk.

What is the list of gear that is missing?

Good thing that there is pro-deal and such.

Still sucks.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2011 - 09:27pm PT

I don't have an exact list of gear, but the extra harnesses and helmets should be a clue. Most guide schools out here use apline bod style harnesses.

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 20, 2011 - 09:58pm PT

This is a really unfortunate situation and I hope against odds that the perps are caught.

That said, one has to be especially careful anywhere along HWY 62 -Twentynine Palms Hwy.
This corridor offers a quick getaway to countless dirt roads and roadways for thieves and other shitheads that would take advantage of others.
Keep your valuables out of view in locked cars, park where you can see your vehicle while you shop/eat if possible and remember that most folks traveling this highway aren't part of a tight knit community.
Be aware of your surroundings and don't be an easy mark.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber

Will know soon

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:00pm PT

I feel very sorry for the Guide. But I feel sorrier for the thief. Not a good way to exist....taking someones livelihood. Must be hard living with the darkness inside instead of living in the light.

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:05pm PT

Lynne, You're a good lady.
People that commit these crimes choose thier path.
They get what's coming to them in many ways and deserve it all.
One thing they don't deserve is your sympathy.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2011 - 10:09pm PT

There is nothing to feel sorry for. People who do things like this don't live anywhere other than inside themselves. They feel nothing for the people they effect or hurt.

Which is why they should be taken somewhere quiet, remote, and their existence ended.

I learned not steal as a kid. I got caught, and punished. As an adult, there is no excuse for it.

If you steal as an adult, your scum in my book. PERIOD.

jstan

climber

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:15pm PT

Robert was not thinking, A.C.

Everyone reveals so much on ST.

Edit:

Bob, you'd be long dead if everyone followed your counsel.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2011 - 10:24pm PT

Not sure what you meant by that.

I was thinking very clearly. If you steal, your a bottom feeder. I could care less about climbing gear or anything else.

I had my house cleaned out while my wife was on chemo. I can assure you, I am thinking quite clearly.

corniss chopper

climber

breaking the speed of gravity

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:24pm PT

Did the guide ask the owner to review (and save) his security camera footage?

Seems that would help with the recovery. The people that exited the market
while he was inside would be 'persons of interest'

Anastasia

climber

hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:25pm PT

I wouldn't worry, over time people always end up paying full price for their deeds. I've seen this and... It's cool in a sad freaky way.

Seriously folks, living this life right is the only way to go.

Anastasia

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:26pm PT

I wouldn't worry about the thief(s) either; but it's the guide who has to go to his boss and pay the price right now.....

klk

Trad climber

cali

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:30pm PT

bummer dude.

frickin tweakers.

Anastasia

climber

hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.

Feb 20, 2011 - 10:31pm PT

As far as I am concerned, if those thieves get caught by rlf... I figure his justice was meant to be.
AFS

Decko

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:21pm PT

Never trust anyone...........

And everyone is lying..........

Vegasclimber

Trad climber

Las Vegas, NV.

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:40pm PT

Having seen the spun out meth addicts that stumble all over town in JT...I get nervous leaving my car alone let alone a pack.

Sorry to hear about this, I hope the gear gets recovered.
Chances are its sitting in some drug dealers closet.

corniss chopper

climber

breaking the speed of gravity

Feb 21, 2011 - 01:58am PT

Hand chopping. Who's really sure they want a court in America
giving this kind penalty? Not me.

http://www.muslimsdebate.com/story.php?story_id=1462

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 08:03am PT

I've got 3 bootied Kong cams I found on a route I never use. I'm thinking about leaving them at Nomad for him.

Store owners are not always thrilled about people bringing packs into their stores.

MTucker

Ice climber

Arizona

Feb 22, 2011 - 01:16am PT

Store owners are not always thrilled about people bringing packs into their stores.

They will be even less thrilled when people don't shop at there store.

What store doesn't let you put your pack/bag inside at the front door or at the checkout while you shop?

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 08:48am PT

Things have gotten dicier around here in the past 5 years or so. People have had gear stolen out of the back of their locked camper shells etc. I've done a fair amount of electrical and computer work for Sam's market and for their other store in Landers. You would not believe the amount of bullshit I've seen go down over the course of one day.

A couple of years back somebody parked their truck down behind Crossroads for a few days while they stayed in the park. He returned, truck was gone. I never leave gear or tools in the back of my truck.

Thanks Scott, I'll do some checking and find out what state he's in and let ya know.

Peter Haan

Trad climber

San Francisco, CA

Feb 22, 2011 - 09:51am PT

"May your children live in interesting times"--- the oft-quoted chinese curse.

This is as bad as stealing a carpenter's or contractor's tools or his truck. And very likely the thief was not even a climber so the stuff will just go to waste as well.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 10:06am PT

Yeah it is. There have been a number of packs stolen over the years from various campgrounds as well. Usually the thieves are looking for cameras, wallets etc. Stolen climbing gear doesn't get sold around often because climbers are the only ones who will buy it. We usually know when something is fishy. My guess is most of the time climbing gear ends up in the dumpster or the land fill.

This guide lost his tools to work.

Peter Haan

Trad climber

San Francisco, CA

Feb 22, 2011 - 10:13am PT

Maybe weirder, Robert, it gets taken to the recycler! Wouldn't that be funny--- cams and nuts being melted down for their aluminum at whatever the hell the rate is, like $.80???/lb. One of the worst aspects to this kind of crap is the way one feels for days after being victimized---- this gross and filthy, creepy insecurity. And of course tons of violent ideation about killing the perps.

I have never had climbing stuff stolen but many times I have had my equipment stolen. Maybe something like ten times in 50 years. Out of my house, out of my truck, while actually working in the public domain. And got furious every single time.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 10:30am PT

I know it first hand. While my wife and I were staying at my mom's in L.A. during my wifes Chemo, 3 meth addicts backed a small stake bed truck up to our house and cleaned it out. They also robbed 15 other homes in the immediate area over a months time. They even stole food. I drove around the "hood" for the next week knowing that some of our neighbors were questionable at best, and kept pretty shady company. Probably not the smartest thing to do, but I informed each and every one of them that if I found out they knew or had any involvement in the theft that they had better pray the cops find them first.

After they were arrested they confessed to it all. We got a few things back, but not much. They each received a 4 year sentence and a second strike. I WAS PISSED! They sold our and others belongings for dirt cheap at the swap meet and had a garage sale.

I lost all 5 of my computers I need for a large project I was working on. I lost several oscilloscopes etc. Not too mention all the other valuables as well. Insurance only covered a small percentage of the loss. That process took over 3 years to complete.

I have no sympathy for thieves.

F*#k'm

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 11:18am PT

Ok, I just got word that he pretty much got cleaned out. I'm going to donate 3 cams I bootied of a route a number of years ago, and make some super tape slings for him. If anybody else want's to kick in anything. Please do so. He's not only out his rack, he's also out guide school gear which he will probably have to pay for. That's not going to be easy when he can't work!

Put your BS aside and let's lend this guy a hand. Remember, we're supposed to be a community that looks out for one another, not just the famous names.

Thanks for any help. You can send me emails via the taco stand and I'll make sure he gets his gear.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Feb 22, 2011 - 01:29pm PT

I have a few pieces to donate - They were given to me by the guy who *bought* the seats from my van, and so they have good juju from that.

Rock Empire cam about the size of a BD Blue Camalot

2 Camp nuts, Speedy N.3 and N.4

a Chouinard biner

All in good condition. Would it be possible to drop at Nomads or something?

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Feb 22, 2011 - 01:30pm PT

Robert, check your email I have some stuff...

Kris

Johnny K.

climber

Southern,California

Feb 22, 2011 - 01:44pm PT

Of course if this was 20 years ago,it would be different story.But this is 2011.

First of all if he/she is a LEGIT guide,all the gear should be covered by insurance.

In this day and age people are lacking COMMON SENSE and respect.Yucca valley,29 palms,Jtree etc etc of all places is not a safe place to leave any valuables anywhere.Think before you leave hundreds of dollars of gear outside anywhere in the public.It doesnt have to be jtree,it can beverly hills or melrose for all that matters,there is always some shady person around trying to benefit on someone elses hard work.I feel sorry for the guide,but it could have been avoided,others should take heed.

jstan

climber

Feb 22, 2011 - 01:59pm PT

As to bringing packs into a store.

Ask the clerk if you can leave your pack behind their counter. Have yet to find a store that is not more than happy to accommodate in this way.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:33pm PT

If the "pack" contained a full rack, rope and multiple harnesses and helmets it was most likely full size haul bag?

That Indian Cove market is pretty crowded space wise, I can't see storing a pack that size behind the counter. Maybe just inside the door though.

Blame the guide if you want. I blame the thief.

Did the guide not have a vehicle? If he didn't want to leave his bag in the back of an open truck maybe he tried to bring it in the store but couldn't?

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:38pm PT

Sure are a lot of holes in this story.

As many said, what "local" would be dumb enough to leave ANYthing unattended in our lovely burg?

Why not leave the pack in the car, and if no car, wtf are you doing at IC market on foot with a pack full of gear in the first place? Not like you're walking home from Indian Cove, and if you actually lived in IC, why not drop the pack at home first?

If helmets and harnesses are the school's, why using personal rack and rope to guide?

Sorry for the dude, getting jacked sucks, but something doesn't add up here.

hulk

climber

curry

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:51pm PT

I wasn't sure if my posting would do anything but I had a triple rack, tent, sleeping bags, haul bags,harnesses,ipod, electrical tools, 4 years of writing everything I owned etc.. and my truck stolen in LA. got the truck back but no gear. any suggestions?

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:53pm PT

I don't care what undercover rock you crawled out from, there's a dress code for detectives in Robbery-Homicide. Section 3-605. 10. 20. 22. 24. 26. 50. 70. 80. It specifies: clean shirt, short hair, tie, pressed trousers, sports jacket or suit, and leather shoes, preferably with a high shine on them.

corniss chopper

climber

breaking the speed of gravity

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:57pm PT

rlf - could the guide post an image of the sales receipt for the items he
bought at the Indian Cove Market when the theft occured.

It'll show the time/date he was in the store and be a step to put a stop to the conspiracy theories.

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 22, 2011 - 03:10pm PT

Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.

steelmnkey

climber

Vision man...ya gotta have vision...

Feb 22, 2011 - 03:27pm PT

Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.

I recognize a corollary there from the first couple years I was climbing... we used to do that sort of thing with route topos from time to time and end up on the wrong route.

AndyG

climber

San Diego, CA

Feb 22, 2011 - 04:16pm PT

Robert,

I will probably come up to josh in 2 weeks. I've got a wide variety of older gear that I never use anymore. I'll bring it along. I'll get your phone # from Jean before we come up (or Jean might be with us).

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 06:21pm PT

Unbelievable, I'm starting regret I ever spent any time attempting to do anything for the climbing community at large over the years.

Here's the deal:

I show up for work on Sunday morning. I set up my area. I run into the guide in question. We chat for a few. I asked him where he was planning to take his group and how large it was. I told him where my group was and I was ready to go. At the end of the day, after I was finished I stopped by the Indian Cove Market.

I saw the guide and commented "Boy these full days with 10 people by yourself are a bitch. I'm tired."

He had an odd look on his face and he said "My pack just got stolen." I was kinda set back. I asked him what happened, and he told me the same story I told to all of you.

This all happened within a few minutes of when I arrived. He was VISIBLY shaken by it.

A few people have emailed me, thanks. I'll get back to you.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 06:25pm PT

Thanks Andy!

It doesn't need to be a ton of stuff, just some things to help him get back on his feet. He dropped by Nomad and said his boss is gonna lend him some gear.

You are always welcome to crash here at the ranch!

By the way, just to clear things up, this isn't some CLOSE FRIEND of mine. It's a local climber/guide who I know, but don't spend time with.

I'm just trying to do the right thing by helping out somebody in our community.

Whether the guide service he works for has insurance for gear or not, isn't my business. Some do, some don't.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 06:36pm PT

Because that's how it is. The school's here provide shoes, harness, and helmet. We as guide provide the rest.

Anybody who wants to chip in a thing or two can send it to Nomad. Do it under my name and they will make sure it gets to the guide.

Nomad's Shipping Address:
NOMAD VENTURES
c/o Robert Fonda
61795 Twentynine Palms Hwy.
Joshua Tree, CA 92252

I purposely have left out the guides name. He doesn't even know that I am doing this for him.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 08:28pm PT

I try...

Chinchen

climber

Way out there....

Feb 22, 2011 - 08:40pm PT

I had a pack stolen at a party once. Only it was full of mushrooms......My fault for leaving a nice Gregory pack full of desirables unattended. I feel for the guy but he should have took it with him!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 08:56pm PT

"Did the guide not have a vehicle? If he didn't want to leave his bag in the back of an open truck maybe he tried to bring it in the store but couldn't?"

No, he wasn't driving. I think he and his girlfriend have to share the car they have.

The saddest part was that the people who stole the pack were parked in front and he was going to ask them for a ride home. They were gone when he came out to ask, so was his pack.

His decision to leave his pack where he did was not exactly the best, but it still does not warrant this.

Somebody just left a few items at Nomad. I'm going to up my offer to some stoppers as well since I have SH#T LOADS of them.

The rest of you can question as you please, but I can assure you I would never make a request like this if I wasn't sure of what happened.

If you do not want to contribute, then don't.

The truth is, some of the people who are questioning this are typical of this site and will not post up their names to support their statements. I will.

Robert Fonda
Joshua Tree CA

P.S. Thanks to those who have helped and have offered too.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber

Will know soon

Feb 22, 2011 - 11:21pm PT

For sure Robert I will help. If we can help people like our friend Doug Nidever, who has a presence here on ST, we can also help someone that is also present but unfortunately not known by many of us.

Cheers to Stolen Pack Guide....But do live and learn.... :DD

Tan Slacks

climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 23, 2011 - 12:02am PT

sent you a message Robert

Sky Elise

climber

Joshuatree, ca

Feb 23, 2011 - 08:02pm PT

thanks robert for posting this.....
i'm the guide in question and thanks to everyone for replies...
i feel like crying and puking and screaming at the same time, but also have felt the love as local guides/climbers have been loaning or donating....
at first i was like i'm done, screwed, finished but then i decided to rise above the funk some tweeker tried to pull me in....i worked yesterday thanks to seth and sara from cliffhanger guides cause of their loan of gear....
the hardest part is that alot of my gear is not replaceable and the trust i have is deminished......
here is a list....
1 harness
1 cinch
1 guide atc
25 neutrinos
3 pear lockers
3 superfly lockers
2 cordellete
3 shoulder length skinny runners
3 double skinny runners
full set bd cams
full set offset aliens
2 offset wildcountry cams
full set offset hb stoppers
6 steel oval biners
1 9.5 rope
1 metolious gear shoulder harness
1 reverso
1 bd pack
2 water bottles
stuff that belonged to joshuatree guides...
4 harnesses
4 pairs of shoes
2 helmets
damn hard typing all that cause it still hurts.....
much love to everyone
namaste
sky

Sky Elise

climber

Joshuatree, ca

Feb 23, 2011 - 08:11pm PT

and to locker....of course i'm local (17 yrs so far, guiding 10 of that)
and thanks for your snide remark, we've known each other for that long.....my reasons were that i am open and loving and trusting....trying to get back to my same state after this....
lol i know where ya live locker dont make me come over ;) joking of course
namaste brother

WBraun

climber

Feb 23, 2011 - 08:17pm PT

6 steel oval biners

What do you use those for?

socalbolter

Sport climber

Silverado, CA

Feb 23, 2011 - 08:26pm PT

Sky -

I heading that way this weekend and will leave some stuff at Nomad for you (in Robert's name).

I've got some random climbing gear things from your list and some brand new Mad Rock water bottles. I'll see what else I can round up for you.

Keep your chin up and get back to it. The climbing community is a great big family and we've got your back.

I'm a big believer in Karma (or whatever you choose to call it). I've reaped the rewards of my good behavior and paid the price for my crappy deeds. Everyone involved here (including you) will get theirs in time.

Louie

tinker b

climber

the commonwealth

Feb 23, 2011 - 08:27pm PT

sky i am sorry your things were stolen.
interesting avatar. i think it is time you let that one go and just be sky.
peace,
jo-lynne

Fluoride

Trad climber

West Los Angeles, CA

Feb 23, 2011 - 08:40pm PT

Gotta beware of the creepers* out there. I'm there every weekend and am very mindful of them. Gotta keep stuff in a locked car or on your person. Too many creepers out there who will take things otherwise. Too many folks out there with drug problems and nothing better to do.

*
"creepers" locally there is termed by Fish. A term which is so true.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2011 - 09:35pm PT

Werner,

We use steel biners cause they last for ever when you have tons of top roping to do with large groups.

Sky, glad you're starting to get your gear. I've got some stuff that will be coming your way and others have emailed me and will offer some stuff up.

THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO IS CHIPPING IN.

socalbolter

Sport climber

Silverado, CA

Feb 24, 2011 - 01:13am PT

Robert and Sky -

I've got (4) brand new (tags still on them) double-length skinny slings and (2) brand new Mad Rock water bottles for you.

I'll put them in a bag and leave them at Nomad for you this coming weekend.

Louie

WBraun

climber

Feb 24, 2011 - 01:32am PT

"We use steel biners cause they last for ever when you have tons of top roping to do with large groups."

Thanks for the reply Robert.

Yes that makes sense, and didn't think of it at the time I saw the stolen gear list.

Steve Grossman

Trad climber

Seattle, WA

Feb 24, 2011 - 02:57am PT

Major Bummer!

Hit up Cosmic! He should be able to give you a deal on a couple of sets of whatever...LOL

Otherwise, I hope the MF's get caught...and buried...behind bars.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2011 - 05:48am PT

My wife and the rest of the folks at Nomad's are keeping track of what's coming in. I'll post updates.

Thanks for stepping up folks. My apologies if I wasn't clear enough in the beginning on the details of the theft. But as I said before, I would never post something like this unless I was sure of what happened.

Yup, got your email locker, thanks. Just haven't gotten a chance to email you back. Good suggestion.

rlf

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2011 - 12:46pm PT

Ok, here is the beginning of the list of gear donated so far via Nomad:

Date - Who - What
-----------------------

I'll keep posting updates as the list grows. A big thanks to Nomad Ventures JT for all their help with this.

locker, for the love of God do not part with your much coveted pumice butt plugs, that would just be asking to much...

socalbolter

Sport climber

Silverado, CA

Feb 24, 2011 - 01:21pm PT

2/22 -- Terri/Happiegirl
Chouniard straigth gate biner
Rock Empire Cam - Black
Camp Nuts - #3 & #4

2/23 -- Ryan Rothacker - Nomad's (He's such a nice a young man)
21' of 7mm cord NEW
Omega Biner Locking
BD Neutrino wire gate biner
#1 Camalot dual stem - older
BD ATC XP belay device
3 BD 60cm Nylong slings - lightly used

2/23 -- Robert Fonda/rlf
8 Nylon tied slings (62" each) 11/16 webbing

2/24 -- locker
8 Trango Flex Cams(almost NEW)

2/24 -- Louie Anderson
4 double-length skinny sewn slings - brand new
2 Mad Rock water bottles

It looks like Sky should be good on slings now. Post up his shoe size and harness size. Locker could probably set him up with shoes, but I may have a harness for him. Is he looking for a comfy (wall-type) harness or something more minimal?

Wish I had not just sold off a bunch of older cams, or I would have had something to offer there too...

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2011 - 01:41pm PT

Thanks again to everyone for posting up and donating. Let's make sure it all goes to Nomad's in JT:

Nomad Ventures
c/o Robert Fonda
61795 Twentynine Palms Hwy
Joshua Tree CA 92252

This way we have a single point for delivery and pick up. Also we have a tracking point.

Again, a big thanks to the folks at Nomad Ventures for helping out with this. I can assure you, these people work hard down there. There's a hell of a lot more to making a good climbing store than just sitting around talking to customers and taking cash.

Make sure to buy something the next time your in.

I'll have 3 trango cams delivered tomorrow.

Sky Elise

climber

Joshuatree, ca

Feb 24, 2011 - 01:44pm PT

oh wow.....thanks everyone for the replies and donations so far.....friggin shedding tears atm....i love all of ya and you guys have reaffirmed that i am right in being loving, trusting and open....lol i'm at a lose for words atm i'll repost later after i think on all this....
namaste
much love
sky

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2011 - 02:02pm PT

I know that I'm just an ignorant dirtbag from Joshua Tree, so I had to look up the definition of "namaste". This is what I found, now I understand:

scroll down please...

That's a hell of a lot of good will!!!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2011 - 02:06pm PT

FireIntheCity

Mountain climber

from t'Hate-haunted canyon of human despair

Feb 24, 2011 - 02:06pm PT

SHOE SIZEs?

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Feb 24, 2011 - 03:13pm PT

Yes, be loving, open and trusting, but don't be unrealistic! One can still be loving, open and trusting while being careful. If it helps, remember that many crimes are one of opportunity, and people are sometimes weak-willed. Don't make it easy for such people to fail in doing the right thing.

Sky Elise

climber

Joshuatree, ca

Feb 24, 2011 - 05:41pm PT

forgot a few things, if anyone has extras to donate or maybe i can buy....
metoliuos belay gloves
patagonia light pullover down sweater
patagonia superlight wind jacket
think thats about it
oh yea and about the question on the steel ovals....i use 3 at the master point on my toprope anchors because it creates a bigger bend that runs smoother and no aluminum wear onto the rope
namaste
sky

perswig

climber

Feb 24, 2011 - 05:46pm PT

Let me get home and check, but I've got a steel locker never used, and could pony up a pair of belay gloves (large) if they'll fit. Also, various lockers and non-lockers, slings. Will send tomorrow.

Dale

(edit: all boxed, going out tomorrow)

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 24, 2011 - 06:02pm PT

Was a police report ever filled out?

If so, and this thief's sins catch up to him/her sooner than later, you stand a chance at regaining some or all of your gear.

Hate to see this stuff recovered at a rock house and end up at a police auction or end up in the thief's personal belongings bag at a holding cell (or morgue) somewhere.

Slim chances are better than none at all.

justthemaid

climber

Jim Henson's Basement

Feb 24, 2011 - 06:14pm PT

Wow- what a bummer. I totally hate thieves with a passion. There's a special spot in my basement of despite for them.

As the donations roll in keep up a wish list of what you still need. I'll root around here and see what we have. What size are you Sky?

Robert- you are a good man.

xtrmecat

Big Wall climber

Kalispell, Montanagonia

Feb 24, 2011 - 06:35pm PT

Sky,

I have a steel locker for ya, if you want, it is yours. I do not know what else you need that I have, do you maybe need a few brass wires?(not offsets though) They have history, and I came easily upon them. I can put a trinket or two on the biner and get them coming if only I knew what pro/trinket would serve you best.

Burly Bob

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Feb 24, 2011 - 06:46pm PT

sorry to hear this, sky. remind me to "treat" you to something you need at nomad next time i'm out.

josh has always had a mixture of good and bad karma. i think sky balances out an awful lot of the bad, but don't forget that sign you see at the edge of town: this section of highway adopted by joshua tree drug court. lots of users, lots of motivation for petty and not-so-petty theft.

Peter Haan

Trad climber

San Francisco, CA

Feb 24, 2011 - 07:05pm PT

It is really kind of thrilling to see how much response this thread is producing. For those of us who would be violent, the french have two sayings that are just perfect for this situation:

"Revenge is best served cold"

and

"Your life is my revenge"

Sky Elise

climber

Joshuatree, ca

Feb 24, 2011 - 07:10pm PT

thanks tony hope to be working with ya again soon...always a pleasure to guide with ya
namaste
sky

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2011 - 08:12am PT

I'm going to split up the list into two categories, Donated, and Pledged. Donated means the gear has arrived, pledged means it's on it's way. This way we can keep everything neat and clean and nobody has to worry that their donations didn't get to where it was supposed to go.

So far:

Donated:
==

2/22 -- Terri/Happiegirl
Chouniard straigth gate biner
Rock Empire Cam - Black
Camp Nuts - #3 & #4

2/23 -- Ryan Rothacker - Nomad's (He's such a nice a young man)
21' of 7mm cord NEW
Omega Biner Locking
BD Neutrino wire gate biner
#1 Camalot dual stem - older
BD ATC XP belay device
3 BD 60cm Nylong slings - lightly used

2/23 -- Robert Fonda/rlf
8 Nylon tied slings (62" each) 11/16 webbing

Pledged:
==
2/24 -- locker
8 Trango Flex Cams(almost NEW)
3 Ovals biners

2/24 -- Louie Anderson
4 double-length skinny sewn slings - brand new
2 Mad Rock water bottles

2/24 Fattrad
Lowe Alpine pack

-----------------------------

I'll be heading down to Nomad periodically to help with the inventory of the items so the staff does not have to do it. They have enough to do already.

I will keep updating the list on this thread so everyone knows the score.

Also, if you do not see your Pledged items on the donated list, please speak up. I will do my best to ensure I keep the list updated in a timely fashion.

The goal here is for me to get Sky his gear as quickly as possible. This will likely mean daily trips to Nomad which is a bit of a drive, but very doable.

Thanks again for all the help folks!

ME Climb

Trad climber

Behind the Orange Curtain

Feb 25, 2011 - 02:52pm PT

Unfortunately I am still building my rack and don't have anything to donate. I think this is a good reminder to mark all of your gear. Because Zac's gear was distinctly marked with rack tags and nail polish I was able to get his gear back.

Sky,if you have not filed a report do so. Check the local pawn shops, ebay, and craigslist. Good luck.

I trully wish I had stuff to donate.

Eric

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2011 - 03:58pm PT

grover

climber

The Gar, BC.

Feb 25, 2011 - 08:08pm PT

You on community service or sumthin Robert?

forgot to add.....da bump!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2011 - 08:47pm PT

Yeah, I've been bad...

DonC

climber

Feb 25, 2011 - 10:01pm PT

"patagonia light pullover down sweater
patagonia superlight wind jacket"

I've got a Patagonia wind jacket (pullover) and REI fiberfill vest. Both size large, like new, blue. If you can use these, I'll send to Nomads.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2011 - 10:48pm PT

It's probably on it's way to Libya...

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Feb 26, 2011 - 11:51am PT

on a practical note, sky, there are great thrift stores in bishop and ventura that have an outdoorsy orientation and might help replenish some of the clothing. if you want to hit the ventura stores sometime, you can basecamp here.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 01:00pm PT

Donated:
==

2/22 -- Terri/Happiegirl
Chouniard straigth gate biner
Rock Empire Cam - Black
Camp Nuts - #3 & #4

2/23 -- Ryan Rothacker - Nomad's (He's such a nice a young man)
21' of 7mm cord NEW
Omega Biner Locking
BD Neutrino wire gate biner
#1 Camalot dual stem - older
BD ATC XP belay device
3 BD 60cm Nylong slings - lightly used

2/23 -- Robert Fonda/rlf
8 Nylon tied slings (62" each) 11/16 webbing

2/25 -- Robert Fonda/rlf
3 Kong Cams, #4, #5, #6

2/25 Unknown
10 Stoppers, mixed brands
2 Oval biners
1 Cordelette (light use)

2/26 -- Andy F./Nomand
1 BD RockLock, twist lock
2 Cypher Pear shaped screw gate biner
1 REI D-Locker screw gate
5 D locker
2 Wire gates
4 D Straight Gate biners
5 Bent gate biners
1 GriGri
1 Nut Tool
1 4ft sling
1 Rap Ring

Pledged:
==
2/24 -- locker
8 Trango Flex Cams(almost NEW)
3 Ovals biners

2/24 -- Louie Anderson
4 double-length skinny sewn slings - brand new
2 Mad Rock water bottles

2/24 Fattrad
Lowe Alpine pack

---------------------

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 01:32pm PT

I agree!

I'm pretty much just reporting what's coming in from the pledged list at this point. The Unknown person will probably have a name soon. My chief concern and why I post updates is that I want to make sure the donors know their gear arrived and is getting to it's target. Especially since this is all in my name!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 02:15pm PT

If you look at the list, somebody dropped of some gear and I don't know who it is. That's the "Uknown" person.

I'm pretty much shutting things down at this point, I just want to make sure what arrives is reported.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Feb 26, 2011 - 02:21pm PT

Let's hear it for RLF, for facilitating the help for Sky!

Hip, Hip, HooRAY!!!

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Feb 26, 2011 - 02:23pm PT

yes, cheers for that--a real friend in need.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 02:50pm PT

Thanks for that. I just did what I thought was the right thing to do.

Todd Gordon

Trad climber

Joshua Tree, Cal

Feb 26, 2011 - 03:19pm PT

I can help too....I'll talk to you Robert.........I have all sorts of stuff;......

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 04:57pm PT

I think we are in pretty good shape at this point. Thanks to all for the generous donations and coming to the aid of one of our own.

I just got word that Sky did indeed get SOME of his gear back. I have no details whatsoever. It sounds like his offset aliens are in his possession.

I left a message with him asking to post up the details here.

Here's what we have so far:

Donated:
==

2/22 -- Terri/Happiegirl
Chouniard straigth gate biner
Rock Empire Cam - Black
Camp Nuts - #3 & #4

2/23 -- Ryan Rothacker - Nomad's (He's such a nice a young man)
21' of 7mm cord NEW
Omega Biner Locking
BD Neutrino wire gate biner
#1 Camalot dual stem - older
BD ATC XP belay device
3 BD 60cm Nylong slings - lightly used

2/23 -- Robert Fonda/rlf
8 Nylon tied slings (62" each) 11/16 webbing

2/25 -- Robert Fonda/rlf
3 Kong Cams, #4, #5, #6

2/25 Unknown
10 Stoppers, mixed brands
2 Oval biners
1 Cordelette (light use)

2/26 -- Andy F./Nomand
1 BD RockLock, twist lock
2 Cypher Pear shaped screw gate biner
1 REI D-Locker screw gate
5 D locker
2 Wire gates
4 D Straight Gate biners
5 Bent gate biners
1 GriGri
1 Nut Tool
1 4ft sling
1 Rap Ring

2/26 - Louie Anderson/socalbolter
2 Mad Rock Water Bottles , new
4 Double length Dyneema Slings, new

Pledged:
==
2/24 -- locker
8 Trango Flex Cams(almost NEW)
3 Ovals biners

2/24 Fattrad
Lowe Alpine pack

---------------------

locker & fattrad's stuff is on the way!

I'll update as I know more.

Thanks again. I think we are good at this point.

grover

climber

The Gar, BC.

Feb 26, 2011 - 05:40pm PT

Forget it Gordon, yer gear is covered in spit-up and half-chewed crackers, and probably smells like used diapers.

LOL

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Feb 26, 2011 - 05:57pm PT

"I just got word that Sky did indeed get SOME of his gear back. I have no details whatsoever. It sounds like his offset aliens are in his possession."

Well, if THAT isn't proof there's a god, I don't know WHAT would be!

If he gets his gear back? Keep that which I donated; the dud is a guide and gear gets a lot of use. Besides, a gift is a gift, with no strings attached - he can do with it as he wishes.

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Feb 26, 2011 - 06:50pm PT

hey there say, just dropped in to see how this is going...

was hoping for a good outcome...

*oh, say, happiegrrl, very sweet post, as to gifts, etc...
:)

nice kindness, to, as to all the donations...
circles of life, overlapping to aid each other, are wonderful...

:)

and:
*oh my, i had some interesting "visions" and "pictures" of todd gordon's
gear now, after that one "lol" post, by grover... ;)

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Feb 26, 2011 - 07:02pm PT

hey there say... perhaps is too late to mention this, but this
part of a post (by peter haan???) reminded me of something:

Maybe weirder, Robert, it gets taken to the recycler!

many folks DO try to get, by asking, or worse by taking, any METAL that they can find...

folks around here take it to scrap metal places for whatever they can get for it...

i once called a few places looking for a sundial that a NEIGHBORing family that lived behind, took, :(

my mom had bought it for me, :(
so it was sentimental...

the folks behind me denied it, but,
the scrap metal truck of theirs was always "full" and their son
loved to "fill" it for them... :(

NOTE:
the scrap metal folks around here, were kind enough to say that they'd
keep a look out for it, and took my phone-number, but obviously could not promise as at times they are just too busy...

but i was told i could come in and take a look, too, on the grounds...

sure hope this helps folks find gear, too, in the future, by
checking these places out...

god bless...
:)

edit: oh, also, in the old days, many store clerks would take the stuff behind counter for you, til you were done shopping... not sure how it goes, now a days..

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 07:04pm PT

Let's just wait and see. He did not get it all back. There is still a bunch missing. I've asked him to post up. If need be, I'll get stuff back to people.

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 27, 2011 - 06:59pm PT

Was the gear recovered?

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2011 - 07:10pm PT

No, my understanding is he managed to get the Offset Aliens. Not sure how. But he did call Nomad and tell them that.

pud

climber

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia

Feb 27, 2011 - 07:51pm PT

hmmm

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Feb 27, 2011 - 09:35pm PT

Aw it was sky? :( he's such a nice young man!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2011 - 09:38pm PT

I'm calling a halt to the donations. There are a few things still coming in. He has enough gear now to get him going. I will contact the people who have sent gear and has not been received. I'll make sure it get's back to you on my dime for shipping.

The last gear received and distributed was from Louie Anderson.

Thanks again for all the help.

Sky Elise

climber

Joshuatree, ca

Feb 28, 2011 - 08:43pm PT

howdy folks....and yes i did get a few things back....a very weird interaction that was...lots of holes in the guys story and very strange...well some back and with the help from all (thanks so much) i am able to still work....still missing alot of stuff but oh well i'm still rollin with my chin up
as to any donations that have ended up seconds....i'm gonna pay it forward of course....i know a few beginning guides that would appreciate the gifts that i cant use
again thanks a bunch and lots of love
namaste
sky

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2011 - 08:46pm PT

Well, I do not have details, but I can recount the following story that happened to me. Sorry, but a little long winded:

After our house was robbed, several years after, Tucker and I were wiring a house in 29 palms. This one chap who was on the job site had been going on about how he was a recovered meth addict. Turns out he was facing 15+ years in prison for a number of charges including theft/burglary. We have something here in San Bernardino called Drug Court. Basically you get one last chance to clean up and walk on the straight and narrow. So he's telling me how courageous he is for cleaning up his act and that he only has a few months left and all the charges are dropped.

I told him my general thoughts on theft etc and he responded he understood why I have the attitude I did.

Of the many things we lost in the robbery, my Grandfathers 80 year old Transit was stolen. A real heart breaker. Gorgeous instrument. All brass, Leitz optics, beautiful wooden case, gone. I told him about it and he commented, "I SAW THAT AT A FRIENDS HOUSE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO!". When I asked if he could make an effort to get it back he gave me the old sure, sure, no problems.

What a surprise I never saw him again.

The point of this story is that you never know who you will run into out here that may be connected with the shitheads.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2012 - 06:46pm PT

No, the simple reality is that I'm the f*#king retard for ever getting involved with this and trying to help someone who clearly doesn't care about his own self preservation.

To all of you who donated gear, you have my sincere apologies.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Apr 27, 2012 - 06:48pm PT

No good deed goes unpunished...

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Apr 27, 2012 - 06:53pm PT

NOW is the time to donate the blue butt plug!

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2012 - 07:00pm PT

"No good deed goes unpunished..."

Not a mistake I ever intend to make again.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Apr 27, 2012 - 08:01pm PT

"Not a mistake I ever intend to make again."

Getting burned like that sucks. Makes you feel like a fool, and there's undoubtedly some person out there who really needs the help that might not get it because you've been burned in the past.

Just remember...this is a reflection on them, not you. Perhaps being a bit more scrutinizing in who you invest your time in may be in order, but try not to become so jaded that everyone becomes suspect. That's just not good for your psyche.

justthemaid

climber

Jim Henson's Basement

Apr 27, 2012 - 08:18pm PT

I gotta go with the ol standby on this one.

Robert- you aren't the idiot here.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2012 - 08:32pm PT

Thank you.

labrat

Trad climber

Nevada City, CA

Apr 27, 2012 - 09:12pm PT

Second and in total agreement on the:

"rlf, you did a noble deed, never anything wrong with that. "

SofCookay

climber

Apr 27, 2012 - 10:00pm PT

I heard about this about a month and a half ago from the person in question - funny, they said that they left their pack outside Coyote Corner for just a minute while they ran inside and when they came back out, the pack was gone. Your version of the story is significantly different which makes me question which version is actually correct (no offense to you, Dave).