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Albert
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The Valley
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 25, 2008 - 08:39pm PT
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500 laps on an OVAL??!!
that's 2000 of the SAME turns!!!
Cars that weren't originally even designed for racing??
How about shifting (barely)???
Crashing into each other instead of REALLY racing (in other words, instead of being a better driver)??!!
screw NASCAR!!!
I just had to rant about it....help end the age-old debate!!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 25, 2008 - 09:05pm PT
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57 shifts per lap at Monaco, zero shifts at Fontana.
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 25, 2008 - 09:16pm PT
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Arguing with a Nascar guy is like wrestling a pig in the mud.
Pretty soon you realize that the pig likes it.
haha.
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Albert
climber
The Valley
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2008 - 10:57pm PT
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looks pretty one-sided so far.
guess a lot of people agree...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 25, 2008 - 11:01pm PT
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"Cars that weren't originally even designed for racing??"
that's the kicker there. I'm not a fan but isn't that a true sport? Taking Chevy's and suping them up and going super fast??
I agree the oval track is lame though, they should do Nascar on varied tracks. Turns, hills, etc....
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climbrunride
Trad climber
Durango, CO
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Dec 25, 2008 - 11:16pm PT
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The only NASCAR races worth watching are the road courses: Sears Point and Watkins Glen. But the WrestleMania crowd seems to like the oval tracks.
But F1 is where its at. Go Ferrari!!!!
And while we're at it, don't forget the World Rally Championships. I think that's the wildest of them all. I wish they'd show it on TV in the US again.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 25, 2008 - 11:23pm PT
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About all you need to know is the Formula 1 guys date supermodels while Nascar drivers marry their sisters.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Dec 25, 2008 - 11:45pm PT
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"Why don't you people go down to Talledaga and change some fockin' Stock Car tires."
--Dennis Miller, on seeing a picture of the Confederate flag on a State building.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Dec 26, 2008 - 12:33am PT
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Formula ONE is the only one. Except get the hell rid of the little Nazi Eccelstoner. Vive Ferrari and the Scuderia!
Peace
Acopa has a shoe that is tied to F1....the Enzo! Climbs like a Ferrari drives and sticks to the rock like Ferrari sticks to the pavement.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 26, 2008 - 12:51am PT
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The Choiunard / Asolo Canyons were advertised as having F-1 rubber.
I bought a pair because they weren't EB's.
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rick d
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tucson, az
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Dec 26, 2008 - 12:58am PT
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while I appreciate rally,
there is only one style of road race.
isle of man TT.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 26, 2008 - 08:30am PT
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F1 racing reminds me of getting stuck behind some putz driving 10-15 mph under the speed limit on a two lane road. Every time you get a broken line there is oncoming traffic. Then it's back to the double line again. At least in NASCAR you can give that little old lady/accountant/driver who emigrated from some country where almost nobody drives, a bump in the tail.
Maybe F1 could learn from Indy or NASCAR. Having cars that can go fast but rarely reach top speed because of "road courses" is hardly racing. Open wheel racing just means that the drivers can't race tight together for fear of having to see how well they can stick the landing.
F1 turns are the double yellow line of traffic.
How many F1 races have been dropped for next season? F1 is more popular in countries that have real sports like bull-fighting, and cricket, where men play field hockey, and the whole country takes off a month for vacation.
How exciting is it to sit at a turn on an F1 course - waiting for what, a car that comes in too fast to make the turn and shoot down the emergency exit? F1 - a sport that without TV would be completely unwatchable.
Super-models may be fun to look at, but how are they on the track so to speak?
And that stock car comment - whoa! What decade is that from?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 26, 2008 - 11:57am PT
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Traddy has that one, Nascar rigs haven't been "stock" for a long long time. Entirely purpose built.
Richard Petty was cool tho, & he could road race too.
Nevertheless, I find closed course road racing much more entertaining than oval gigs.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Dec 26, 2008 - 12:08pm PT
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And the biggest reason Formula 1 is better......
You don't get this with Nascar!
Oh yeah, let's not forget something for the ladies -
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 26, 2008 - 12:14pm PT
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Riverside Raceway Southern California 1971/1972,
From a time when men where men and open wheeled cars had great big fat wings:
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Dec 26, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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Dang Roy we use to stop off the 60 there in the far turn to watch the end of races....coming home from Josh!!!! Was the best! Man that was a LONG timego.
Peace
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cupton
climber
Where the past and future meet
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Dec 26, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
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Which would you rather drive?
F1 cars have huge amounts of money (GDP of a small country) dumped into the absolute latest technology in the world to make them go well over 200 mph at 1900 rpm and pull insane g forces turning both left and right.
The amount of money that goes into the R&D for NASCAR is pathetic in comparison. The cars are no longer close to 'stock' with custom tubular frames and tuned up V8s. All that to only turn left... and when twice a season they have to turn right all hell breaks loose as the drivers dont know how to drive the courses and the teams have no idea how to set up the cars. Might as well go watch a snuff film.
Personally I think the business is closing city streets and letting a bunch of ace drivers in super fast cars go to town. That is entertainment.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 26, 2008 - 04:31pm PT
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"Dang Roy we use to stop off the 60 there in the far turn to watch the end of races"
That was probably Turn 6...
The cars in that picture are coming out of the S's and heading up in to Turn 6.
I spent a lot of time out at the track in those days; my dad was a turn worker and I just rode around on my Schwinn Stingray in the infield, over the Champion Bridge, around the grandstands outside the turns, sometimes in the paddock (I rarely landed a Pit Pass).
There was a series I believe called the Winston 500 BITD, which put NASCAR rigs on the road course at Riverside. One of the biggest liabilities was their weight; if a driver lost control and hit the Armco barrier, the resultant force (in comparison to a crash with a lighter car, never mind the extensive roll cages that the NASCAR rigs had) could really do damage to the driver's body.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 26, 2008 - 04:58pm PT
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”Personally I think the business is closing city streets and letting a bunch of ace drivers in super fast cars go to town. That is entertainment.”
Here are some snapshots I took at the Long Beach Grand Prix, (Formula One) circa maybe 1974 or so.
Probably a McLaren, as I think those were the cars which Marlboro cigarettes sponsored at that time:
A vintage Mercedes:
(note the driver is wearing a vintage leather helmet)
Probably a Brabham, BRM, or Lotus given the British Racing Green:
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Dec 29, 2008 - 02:15am PT
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I actually saw somebody pass somebody else in F1, once.
Bruce
ps- I like F1, but it is no coincidence that the teams with the most $$$$ are the most successful. Also, the F1 organizers keep passing all sorts of silly rules to limit technology and make the ability of the driver be the deciding factor, but that never seems to work.
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