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10b4me
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Hell A
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 21, 2007 - 12:42am PT
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Williamson Rock, CA Update
By Troy Mayr
The USFS is currently in the process of preparing a scoping letter. Once the scoping letter is released, this marks the start of the NEPA process for the Williamson Rock and vicinity.
The scoping letter prompts public comment and sets the parameters for what the USFS will consider. Positive and detailed comments from the climbing community are encouraged. Please visit www.williamsonrock.org and join our mailing list (if you haven't already).
When more details are made available to FoWR we will send out an e-mail to all of our mailing list members.
Thanks for your support!
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Apr 24, 2007 - 09:08am PT
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bump
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crazyazid
climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 24, 2007 - 12:30pm PT
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bump
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10b4me
Trad climber
Hell A
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2007 - 12:03am PT
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News Release
USDA Forest Service
Angeles National Forest
Date: May 10, 2007 701 N. Santa Anita Avenue
ANF-08-07 Arcadia, CA 91006
http://www.fs.fed.us/ r5/angeles
FOR RELEASE UPON RECEIPT
Contact:
Sherry Rollman
(626) 574-5208
Forest Service Proposes Williamson Rock Trail
ARCADIA, Calif. – The Forest Service is requesting public comments
on a proposal to construct a trail from the Angeles Crest Highway to
Williamson Rock, located in the upper reaches of Little Rock Creek
within the Angeles National Forest. The proposal would analyze
reopening the popular recreation site and rock climbing area to the
public, while protecting the mountain yellow-legged frog (MYLF) and
its critical habitat.
The Williamson Rock area has been temporarily closed since December
2005 to protect the frog, which is an endangered species listed
under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. Populations of the frog
are known to exist within the closure area. The U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service designated approximately 615 acres along Little
Rock Creek within the closure area as critical habitat for the MYLF
in October 2006.
Comments may be mailed to John F. Capell, District Ranger, Attn.
Jonathan Schwartz, Santa Clara/Mojave Rivers Ranger District, 30800
Bouquet Canyon Road, Saugus, CA 91390, no later than June 6, 2007.
For more information, call 661-296-9710. The proposal can be viewed
on the internet at http//www.fs. fed.us/r5/ angeles.
The Williamson Rock area is a well-known recreation site used
predominately for rock climbing. It has been used by climbers since
the 1960's and is widely regarded as a unique rock climbing resource
for the entire Southern California region.
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joeblow
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May 11, 2007 - 02:39pm PT
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bump, cause this is important.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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May 11, 2007 - 04:16pm PT
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Though the link G-Gnome posted fixes that problem, the USFS link to the actual Proposal (Scoping Letter) doesn't seem to work.
After you read the info on the link in G-Gnome's post, here is a direct link to the Scoping Letter so you will know what you are commenting upon:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/documents/final-williamson-rock-scoping-ltr.pdf
Write voicing your support for developing a trail (basically improving the existing "short" trail) to permit access to Williamson Rock that will also protect the Mountain Yellow Legged Frog Habitat (upstream).
A short comment is perfectly fine.
You may want to mention:
1. That the USFS's own scientific studies have shown no negative impacts from climber's activities prior to the area being closed.
2. There is no sutable frog habitat near the base of the Rock.
3. The frogs are found far enough upstream that climbers pose no threat to them or their habitat.
Williamson is THE summer sport climbing area for So. Cal. Lots of people have worked hard since 2005 to try to get the area re-opened. We know that a few individuals and groups will object to re-opening Williamson. This is all the more reason for everyone who support this proposal to let their voices be heard.
Public imput really does make a difference.
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L
climber
NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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May 11, 2007 - 05:01pm PT
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Oh-Please-Oh-Please-Oh-Please! WRITE A LETTER!
Life in LA used to be bearable. Sort of.
However, life in LA since Williamson closed has been the biggest SuckFest since Prohibition, the Black Plague, and/or the election of the Shrub.
Please help us poor slobs out, will ya???
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Knob Central
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May 11, 2007 - 05:32pm PT
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You just need to drive farther Laura, that's all. Explore your boundaries!
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L
climber
NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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May 11, 2007 - 06:09pm PT
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Sorry GG--There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home...
So I hear, Matthew. Sounds like better weather for sure...good move.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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May 12, 2007 - 11:20pm PT
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I sent my letter off today. I am hopeful that things will work out. It would be nice to have a dedicated trail down to the rock. Trashcans at the parking area would also be helpful to reduce trash in the area.
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L
climber
NoName City and It Don't Look Pretty
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May 12, 2007 - 11:22pm PT
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One word: Port-a-Potties
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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May 12, 2007 - 11:29pm PT
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The city where I live is spending a million dollars to build a skateboard park for the kids.
You would think the County Of Los Angeles or whoever could find $500 to put a trash can and an Andy Gump sh*tter in the Williamson Rock parking lot.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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May 14, 2007 - 03:40pm PT
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Bump, see Troy's thread as well.
This is something you can actually do about the closure.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 14, 2007 - 06:27pm PT
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Anyone talk to whomever the involved biologists are? You may want to consider a chat with San Diego Zoo biologist Jeff Lemm who is an expert on the frog and find out who is managing the on-the-ground biology at the site. Maybe a discussion with them over what climbers can do to help mitigate the impact of their use would be helpful. That way you could be writing letters with specific mitigation proposals.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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May 14, 2007 - 07:21pm PT
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Actually, the routing of all climber traffic to the short trail as proposed (and closing the "long trail" which runs near the Frog Habitat upstream) was the recomendation of the USGS Biologists who have been monitoring the frogs.
The other obvious measures would be to:
1. Provide for human waste disposal to prevent human waste from washing downstream into potential new frog habitat.
(Friends of Williamson has proposed/offered to fund a toilet at the parking area and WAG Bag dispenser and waste receptical(apparently LA County will not permit composting toilets -- which would be a logical choice to be installed at the crag -- one of FOWR's other proposals for mitigation.)
2. Restricting access to certain areas of the Crag when water is running along the base (Stream Wall & London Wall) in case frogs are "migrating" downstream.
There is no evidence that migration has/will occur, even with the area closed.
The main preditor to the frogs is fish who eat larve. A fish barrier was built well downstream and fish killed upstream, with little effect on frogs expanding their actual habitat.
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WBraun
climber
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May 14, 2007 - 07:33pm PT
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The main predator to the frogs is fish who eat larvae. A fish barrier was built well downstream and fish killed upstream, ....
Just see the hypocrisy.
Save frog and kill fish. They can't save anything.
We are billions in debt, and they are talking save.
They are good at killing .... in the name of saving.
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clustiere
Trad climber
Durango, CO
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May 31, 2007 - 07:02pm PT
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This place sounds fun eh..
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