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TopRopeGun
Trad climber
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Mar 13, 2007 - 11:30am PT
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Nice score on the big wally....you beat me for it!
I had one that got stolen years ago...loved that thing...GREAT design.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2007 - 01:11pm PT
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topropegun - I'm going to go over my old one and see about having it rework or refurbished. Everything is perfect on it except the bag is getting a bit thin in places. I can turn you on to one or the other once I do...
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jbur
Trad climber
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Mar 13, 2007 - 04:57pm PT
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Great pack, I've got one like Healyje just bought. A friend of mine has one that is more like haulbag material. Mine still has alot of life left, but I probably need to get on the hunt for another before there to hard to find. Great design by the way.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 13, 2007 - 05:24pm PT
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I felt there were two little problems with using the Shelterite haul-bag type material on that pattern.
The bottom wrap will put tiny puckers in that type of material and it will wear prematurely right along the seam on the sides of the bottom. Your friends may have pin-holes there already.
I anticipated an eventual material change and fixed this on the Grade VI model. It was made of a material with "special attributes" but not a non-woven (haul bag type) material.
Also, tests revealed that the Ballistics padded back-panel was very reluctant to show any wear under any circumstances. The ballistics is much better as a back-panel material, the texture helps it transfer weight better and of course next to the skin there's no comparison.
I sent Wallys and Black Crags to Kurt Smith who used them for hauling bolting gear on his Mexico projects. The sharp rock destroyed the pack bags but the back-panels looked fine.
Also a light silver gray color is the best technical and aesthetic choice for a product of this nature I believe.
Enjoy your pack!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2007 - 12:08pm PT
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Ray, if I refurbish the old one I have, is that fabric still available or any suggestions on what I should use? Like I said, the bag is the only worn part, the rest of it is as good as the day I bought it.
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IndianClimber, what's with that link? I'm guessing no one really has these for sale, so how did it end up on that site????
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ChrisW
Trad climber
boulder, co
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:05pm PT
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I had a Big Wally. Got at the old Boulder Mountaineering shop up on the Hill. Someone Ripped it off a long time ago. It was a pretty nice pack.
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Indianclimber
climber
Las Vegas
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Mar 14, 2007 - 02:38pm PT
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healyje
Googled Big wally,and that popped up ,maybe old list pricing for a new one when they were being sold?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 14, 2007 - 05:38pm PT
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healyje,
check it out - the best way to patch an item like that, the best way I know of is to get some black tool dip (Plasti-Dip).
Also some small swatches of any lighweight coated nylon big enough to cover the holes w/ a good margin, a 2" margin is not too much.
Ok, Fish is reading so I gotta get this right...
W/ Keyston or 3M spray adhesive glue the lightweight nylon patches to the inside of the pack - you can turn it inside out and prep w/ damp paper towel, clean surface.
Let it dry, turn pack right side out and stuff the pack w/ like an old blanket or whatever. Stuff it good.
Now, in a well ventilated area, w/ an aspirator if you've got one - dude put gloves on too - "paint" the plasti-dip on w/ a paint scraper, press it into the fiber good, coat it, paint it and when it dries it's bomber.
If wear is not so bad (abrasions) the inner patches won't be needed.
Enjoy.
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Indianclimber
climber
Las Vegas
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Mar 14, 2007 - 06:08pm PT
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Raydog resurrects a Big Wally ..Nice
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Mar 14, 2007 - 06:26pm PT
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I'll add 'cause Ray is reading this.....
The thing with the dip is it will not adhere well to anything that is super smooth.... so lightly sand the area around your wound (ballistic cloth right?) to expose some fibers. The dip will take to this roughed up surface much better. If you are a thrillseeker, I've had some success on unsanded fabric by cutting the Dip with white gas to thin it.. on the can it has some other stuff you can use too (paint thinner?) to thin the product and get better absorption (is that a word?)
Another trick for holes that are small is to get shoe-goo or whatever and then honk a big blob into the hole... then use wax paper on the back side and wax paper on the front side to press it all flat and then let it dry like this... it will form a mushroom style "plug" in the hole.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 14, 2007 - 06:28pm PT
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There ya have it.
Thanks Russ!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2007 - 06:42pm PT
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Ray and Russ, thanks for those tips. I was thinking more along the lines of replacing either the front panel of the 'bag' part or the entire 'bag' itself and was curious what the material was or a substitute.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 14, 2007 - 06:59pm PT
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something like, 18oz "senior" ballistics cloth.
Source?
Gregory customer service might be able to help.
Often - if there's no other alternative, a shoe shop or similar can do the sewing.
The dip method as described above can in fact fix massive holes,
plus the dip is renewable.
I used to make canvas haul bags and painted the whole things w/ dip, yes I was that stupid - but it gives you an idea what can be dome w/ the methods described.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2007 - 11:46pm PT
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Thanks again, I'll check out the bag closer and see if the dip business might work for it. We do have a good shoe outfit here so I'll check in with them as well.
Great work though - what are you doing these days...?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 14, 2007 - 11:52pm PT
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Ya Ray,
Yer stuff always bore the mark of superior ergonomics, sleek no nonsense accoutrement, and pleasingly burly fit & finish.
Rock on Dude.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 15, 2007 - 12:22am PT
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Thanks a lot Roy.
Have a fun and safe trip!
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 11, 2007 - 10:21pm PT
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I read this thread (and having great respect for HealyJes opinion) I started looking for one for myself.
$25 I got a used one.
Holy sh*t Ray, I had no idea that this pack was so damn good. I can only describe it as Masterful.
You should be proud dude.
Now, if you could get Metolius or Fish to start making it again.....everyone can enjoy it.
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marty(r)
climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
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Aug 12, 2007 - 12:28am PT
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And here I thought this'd be about Wally Barker. Hmmmph. Now back to huff some PlastiDip.
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onyourleft
Social climber
SmogAngeles
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Aug 12, 2007 - 01:09am PT
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Raydog, I have a 10 year old Black Crag that continues to be my favorite daypack. I don't use it in hauling situations, so it's stayed in excellent condition. That was a great design. There's nothing on the market today that holds up as well. The ultralights are crap in my book.
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