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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 10, 2006 - 09:35am PT
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Companion thread to...this thread
(your mileage may vary)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 10, 2006 - 09:55am PT
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If RRK sees those titons, he'll be begging you for them.
And I would not get within arm's reach of HIM and call Titons dispensible or disposable.
You have to remember that man is a few pieces shy of a full rack.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Nov 10, 2006 - 01:33pm PT
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I LIKED "Camlocks".
If I still had mine I'd probably use them. I had two of them. One about fist-size, and one a bit smaller.
Can't say the same for the "Tetons" though. I never figured out what they were good for.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 10, 2006 - 03:58pm PT
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Man, now that is a philisophical disagreement!
Those SMC Camlocks were possibly the worst piece of gear ever produced second only to the CMI "Swivel of Death" Cams. Mid-size Titons on the otherhand had and have remarkably utility if you know how to use them. I still keep a #8 on a shoulder sling handy.
All the gear presented are pretty common on ebay except those two camming items in the middle - can anyone identify them? They look like they'd be good additions to Stephane's Nut Museum if you'd care to part with them.
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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Nov 10, 2006 - 08:31pm PT
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WTF??? Looks like pile of sh#t too me buddy!
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Nov 10, 2006 - 08:43pm PT
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Nov 10, 2006 - 08:54pm PT
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I want that "hex."
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G_Gnome
Boulder climber
Sick Midget Land
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Nov 10, 2006 - 09:19pm PT
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The tube chocks still look good. What's the matter, don't/can't climb off widths anymore?
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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2006 - 10:36pm PT
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"won't", G..
I think one is a "foxhead"...top (large) is 8.5 Stopper for certain...have to consult with old's coolers on a few items...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 10, 2006 - 10:41pm PT
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Yeah, the one in the upper right is a Forrest piece and the larger trapazoid one may be but the wire looks a tad short...
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Nov 10, 2006 - 10:43pm PT
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Huh? The Foxhead is a Forrest piece of gear...as are the Titons.
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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2006 - 10:52pm PT
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Joe, you are correct on the upper right, it has the Forrest symbol imprinted.
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RRK
Trad climber
Talladega, Al
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Nov 10, 2006 - 11:04pm PT
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Dirt's right - I'll take that #7T off of you if you're getting rid of it. That's the one with the white sling. It's the most generally useful one of the set. I just took a drop on one a couple of weeks ago. I'm suspecting from your location that you've had some experience in watergrooves (NC?) Before you decide to let me have it try this. Head out to your favorite groove-fest and find one about 2 inches wide. Lay that #7 flat in the groove with the flange sticking out towards you and the edges of the "T" against the edges of the groove. Slide it down the groove till it sticks in an undercut then make the clip. Presto!! Betcha can't do that with anything else on anybody's rack. There's a zillion other tricks that these little gems can do but that one should be enought to keep it on your rack. (It totally bumfuzzled Dirt, who still denies that it actually happened) Also carry the #6 and #8. They're more useful than a hex of similar size. I'm seriously interest if you're selling but only the middle-sized Titons - not the Clog or whatever the others in the pic are are and not the larger (9+ or drilled) Titon unless it's the old-style (blue) #9 with the long flange.
I can ID a couple of the pieces in the shot. The upper right wire is a Forrest Arrowhead. Newer wires of similar size are lighter but there's nothing wrong with it. It has a very thin taper. I carried them until just a few years ago and had one of those shoulda-died moments on one so they're kinda special to me. Nevertheless they are in my leaver-box now rather than on my rack so I suppose that, with respect to the Arrowheads, your premise (expendable gear) is supported by my own experience. The single-wire nut in the center is a Forrest Foxhead. I concur with your decision to leave that one in the gearbox - too deeply tapered -- flawed design . The slung stopper (SMC or Coonyard?) is still useful and good - IMHO Campbell nuts are a better implementation of the same basic design . The tubes are still good too and much lighter than some #19 boat-anchor cam that would fit in a comparable sized crack. Don't know what those sliders are. What else is in your leaver-box? Take another picture, Christmas is coming up
RRK
PS I'll swap you a CMI Curt-cam (swivel-of-death) but only if you promise not to actually climb with it. Yes I was one of the fools who tried to use those and still have a couple in my don't-take-this-out-for-any-reason box. I just use them to scare little climber-children on Halloween
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 10, 2006 - 11:16pm PT
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Ah - Curt Cam - that was it. They came in a sprung and unsprung version; both were disasterous and would only have held a fall in under the most miraculous of placement conditions. I thought they were CMI's though. The SMC Camlocks would rattle out of place just looking at them wrong. As a stopper they were alright, but as a cam they were worse than worthless.
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Ghoulwe
Trad climber
Spokane, WA
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Nov 11, 2006 - 10:04am PT
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Healyj and RRK:
CMI made the "Kirk-Cams" (named for the owner Ron Kirk), not Curt-Cams. As you mentioned, they were pretty scary! There are none pictured here, these ones are both SMC Camlocs.
Eric
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RRK
Trad climber
Talladega, Al
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Nov 11, 2006 - 10:19am PT
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GW I agree - there are none in the pic - but we all know what they look like. The image of them in a placement (or on the way out) is likely burned into your brain. I misspoke when I said that SMC made them and realized my mistake (and corrected it) when HJ posted. I can take a pic of one if you want to see it but you would need to sign some sort of liability waiver before I posted it up. The sight of one would make a dirtbag go get a job. Also didn't remember if the the name ("Curt" "Kirk") was with a "C " or with a "K " but I'm sure that you are correct on that one. Thanks. (If I was the owner I wouldn't want my name anywhere near those things.)
RRK
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