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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 16, 2006 - 01:16pm PT
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Well, what do you know...
Anyone remember this from yesterday?
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Note:
I saved the thread throughout the day - my last save had a final post of 9:37 PM.
Until I decide the best way to recreate the thread in its entirety right here, I wanted
to at least get the ball rolling again. This was way too good to go away so soon!
Here's a post I made a ways down the thread, and I think it would go really good right here:
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(in reply to Piton Ron)
Looks like he did indeed "pussy out". What else would you expect from an Internet Bitch?
The original thread is still in the database - the only posts missing are from Aian.
Here is the entire remainder of the thread going to the last post of 10:23 last night:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=253448&msg=253450#msg253450
Enjoy!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2006 - 01:33pm PT
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Actually, Locker, he didn't bail. He deleted his posts in that thread sometime after 10:23
last night, and I assume he read all the posts in the thread. So he's an even bigger
coward than I originally thought. In life there are those who can't step up like a man
and voice opinions to one's face. I have been the subject of such attacks myself,
so it it with great pleasure that I am able to resurrect the
Joseph Healy Appreciation Thread!
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hobo
climber
PDX
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Sep 16, 2006 - 02:40pm PT
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Aian knows Joseph. He now has a collection of very nice things said about Joseph.
Alex
ps I cant wait to climb at beacon in a few weeks!!
pps At least one of the things I said might not be true.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 16, 2006 - 04:12pm PT
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As a sociological study, this has been amazingly informative, IMHO. When I see someone very clearly out in left field, as Aian is, my inclination is simply to pay it no mind. No one is likely to be led astray by something so obvious so why bother. Now, as I posted earlier, it is very good to see Joe’s efforts are appreciated. He has earned the help you all can give him.
But what does all the to-do indicate? First, it at least seems you all are happy to pile-on whenever it appears there will be no resulting disagreement. That is very disturbing. It says as a group a great penalty exists for being found some where outside of center. And that line is ill-defined. This is very bad because we advance only by each of us taking the chance of being found out of the center. If we are to do better we need calm and civil discussion of all the options available to us. People need to have confidence their ideas will be examined dispassionately. If you could, please carefully explain to me where I have gone wrong.
People before have been told to drink hemlock for being found out of the center. And we used to believe the sun revolved around the earth. I don't know about you, but I really did not enjoy those days. As I remember it did get a little better after the Black Death was done.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2006 - 04:35pm PT
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Jstan - there's a huge difference between "being out of the center" and the method
one chooses to use to converse with other human beings. The clown that started
the Joseph Healy-bashing thread went so far as to create 2 different handles,
and registered and confirmed 2 separate accounts to flame away anonymously.
For that, there's no limit to the amount of ridicule he deserves to receive, IMO.
It has nothing to do with "being safe" to attack; many times I have gotten into skirmishes
which were strictly one-on-one, and at the time couldn't care less whether anyone approved or knott. Sometimes I made myself look bad, but overall it has been worth it.
Since this Aian/Chrisr bitch evidently knows Healy - or at least where to find him to talk
face to face, he brought this all upon himself by choosing the coward's route.
Also, I should add that at least for me, this forum is mainly about entertainment.
And in my knott-so-humble opinion, this whole thing has been very entertaining!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 16, 2006 - 04:35pm PT
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A very wise point jstan, but then perhaps I shouldn't be endorsing it being so out of center myself.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 16, 2006 - 06:08pm PT
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Help me better understand things. There are two sides to every beef (doesn't mean there are two sides that make sense). From what I see, and correct me if I am wrong, this aiaian clown's wet because "his" Beacon Rock has been publicized on *The InterNet*. Aiaiaiain blames Our Man Healyje for this capital offense.
Is this the root of the dust-up?
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jstan
climber
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Sep 16, 2006 - 06:43pm PT
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On other ST posts I have said, “This(ST) is a good crew.” There are places in which a post such as mine would have been destructive. There I would not have posted as I did here. In a word, I took a chance. It is like climbing really. Sometimes you have to take a chance.
We have a lot in common. Had there been computers when I was less old, and I had been creative enough to think of it, I would have used the name “Hardman Knott”. Neat! And I too tend not to be concerned when out of the mainstream. I do always have an agenda when I express myself. It is because I hope against hope I have something constructive to say. I am not different from everyone else in this respect.
But far too much about that. Probably the toughest thing Joe had to surmount in his effort was the very natural reluctance to interfere with other people. As you would not be interefered with, so too ye shall not interfere. The prime directive. It is a very hard one. He knew he would make a mistake, somewhere. But would he be forgiven those inevitable errors? This is the crux of Joe’s original decision to act and is the crux of the “Aian thread.” Chaz, I am not expressing this very well, but such is what I see.
Cheers,
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jstan
climber
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Sep 17, 2006 - 12:40am PT
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Locker:
Shortly after I started working on the piton problem in the early 70's, I was urged to use ridicule as a tool for manipulating climbers. I did not do this because ridicule only discredits the speaker and because I did not wish to manipulate anyone. Reality and the truth are the only things that matter in the end. Ridicule serves no good purpose.
When you yourself receive ridicule do you not merely say to yourself," Hah! Look at the source from which this comes."
My best,
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jstan
climber
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Sep 17, 2006 - 01:06am PT
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As this is getting altogether too serious I will post someone else's telling of a joke. I myself lack the joke gene.
Heather was driving home to Glasgow after one of her business trips to London when she saw an elderly woman walking on the side of the road. As the trip was a long and quiet one, she stopped the car and asked the woman if she would like a ride. With a silent nod of thanks, the elderly woman got into the car. Resuming the journey, Heather tried in vain to make a bit of small talk with the old woman. The elderly woman just sat silently looking intently at everything she saw, studying every little detail until she noticed a brown bag on the seat next to Heather. "What's in the bag?", asked the old woman. Heather looked down at the brown bag and said: "It's a bottle of wine. I got it for my husband." The old woman was silent for another moment or two and then speaking with the quiet wisdom of an elderly woman, said. "Good Trade."
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 17, 2006 - 08:06pm PT
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John, those are words of wisdom on how we as climbers should strive to treat each other. However, the individual involved in this case is neither a Beacon climber, or even a rock climber for that matter, he is a trail runner into competitive "speed ascents" of easy alpine summits. He is an tireless self-promoter and uses an amazing array of fake online avatars to sing his own praises. That in general sucks, but it unfortunately doesn't end there as for years he has put an endless litany of NW climbers and webmasters through hell with repeated legal, online, and phone threats, assaults, and abuses against their families, employers, and anyone else he can think of in his jihad. CascadeClimbers.com has a permanent filter installed specifically preventing posting this unmentionable's name in any form.
The fact that the thread immediately disappeared after his identity was posted only confirms who it was and that nothing has changed in this individual's approach to life or lack there of. I can hardly think of another individual who so fails to "get it" relative to the honest pursuit of an activity and communication with people with like interests. His attack on me here was due to my occasional alerts that he has turned up again with a malicious post.
This is a [url="http://runtrails.blogspot.com/2006/03/2006-trm-trophy-series-athletes-get.html" target="new"]typical example[/url] of the result of his diatribes and attacks. And here is [url="http://www.mtncommunity.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=101&topic_id=12495&mesg_id=12495&page=&topic_page=2" target="new"]another example[/url] where he uses two aliases "summertime" and "race info" - tireless...
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jstan
climber
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Sep 18, 2006 - 05:22am PT
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I knew about none of this. My apologies. Very odd indeed.
Cheers,
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2006 - 03:06pm PT
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DMT wrote:
Yes when hardman knott sinks his teeth into an internet bitch a lead pipe and a 44 mag won't make him let go.
Ask him about using a drill to chisel holds...
Ah, yes - the good ol' days...
And let's knott forget the infamous "For the chisel-wielding bolt sprayers" F-Page™ link...
Those really were good times, were they knott?
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Sep 18, 2006 - 03:41pm PT
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HK, those pics remind me of a filling I got from my dentist...
Healy, we appreciate you and your efforts here and elsewhere. If it was truly that dude and his dog that runs that started the initial thread, he is sick....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 18, 2006 - 04:07pm PT
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John, yours are still wise words regardless of who is involved in this incident or how its gone down - no need to apologize to me. Thanks for your and other's support.
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