Aid ladders - use at a hanging belay

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go1dens4

Trad climber
Melbourne, FL
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 13, 2018 - 07:23am PT
We were doing Moonlight Buttress when I started doing this due to all of the hanging belays, but I was wondering if anyone else does the same thing... If you have a belay seat or ledge with you it is not useful, but is better than a hanging...

So just clip your ladder into your anchor point and then clip in the bottom end of the ladder back into the same anchor point making a half decent seat for your belay...

Obviously need to be using ladders and not etriers to have this work effectively (I was doing it with some yates speed ladders).
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Sep 13, 2018 - 07:26am PT
I have done this with my old BD ladders several times when the ledge wasn't set up for standing.
It helps manage the perpetual discomfort.
go1dens4

Trad climber
Melbourne, FL
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2018 - 07:27am PT
Cool, I figured it is a pretty obvious thing to do but would not hurt to post it if others did not think of it lol...
D2R2

Sport climber
Earth
Sep 13, 2018 - 07:28am PT
Thats what you got for a 'wall' tip? Try and do better, theres a world of f*#kery out there that will blow your mind if you stick with it
skywalker1

Trad climber
co
Sep 13, 2018 - 08:07am PT
I have always taken the waist strap off the piggy (whether I was hauling it or not), took off the buckles and tied webbing to each end and bam! you have a seat that is light weight, compact and can just be thrown into a back pack. Hope that makes sense. I use the one off my huge piggy even when not bringing it with me. Especially useful on Angles Landing etc.

S....
go1dens4

Trad climber
Melbourne, FL
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2018 - 08:15am PT
Love that idea, will have to try this out on my next aid trip for sure!
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Sep 13, 2018 - 08:30am PT
Credit: jeff constine
say no to hanging belays.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 13, 2018 - 08:55am PT
Jeff, that is what I would call "tits" were it not the "cat's meow."
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 13, 2018 - 09:19am PT
YES.. aiders are useful for all kinds of stuff besides aiding...
 using the steps to sort gear
 looped like you have, and used to loop your climbing rope through as the second climbs so it doesn't get hopelessly entangled in the flake below
 as a weapon to chase ledge varmits away, used like a whip it is better than a pin hammer (think Indiana Jones)
 when you run out of runners.. just user your aider to equalize the belay
 My first set of aider's was knotted 1"tubular webbing (where did I read that... in a Robbins book or something). I once used the knots as pro!
 To throw at your partner when he is pissing you off with off hand comments about the style of your hooking moves
 to tie your girl friend up when she is interested in some Etrie bondage
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Sep 13, 2018 - 09:46am PT
yeah I second the using ladders to hang/sort gear at camp! We have strung them across to use as daisies.

MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:30am PT
Anita514 sez:
yeah I second the using ladders to hang/sort gear at camp! We have strung them across to use as daisies.

At camp! I use them on a wall where I always seem to need someplace to clip one more thing into something.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:35am PT
I've used old-fashioned etriers and a belay seat in hanging belays since 1967. The two together at least allowed me to change the discomfort point periodically. Besides, as others noted, the provide lots of places to hang things while sorting.

John
ec

climber
ca
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:46am PT
If climbing (especially aid climbing or doing ‘walls’) doesn’t bring out your inner-MacGyver, you’re not paying attention!

 ec
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Sep 13, 2018 - 11:01am PT
By camp I mean camp on the wall

skywalker1

Trad climber
co
Sep 14, 2018 - 12:44am PT
If climbing (especially aid climbing or doing ‘walls’) doesn’t bring out your inner-MacGyver, you’re not paying attention!

Love this comment! Well put.

S...
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:24am PT
^^^ what a fukcing rats nest!!!


Butt I know that's how you like it:)
I'd drive me crazy having all the shite all over the place.
ECF

Big Wall climber
Ridgway CO
Sep 14, 2018 - 05:36am PT
Wow, Pete has really slimmed down his kit from the old days.
Looks like it all fits at one belay station now.
Ya kno, they have the encyclopedia brittanica in electronic version now, there is no need to bring the whole set wherever you go...
MGuzzy

Trad climber
Orangevale
Sep 14, 2018 - 07:00am PT
anita514 sez: By camp I mean camp on the wall

I Love it! That's my kinda camping!
Ian Jewell

climber
Sep 14, 2018 - 10:16am PT
Great photo of PTPP and Anita and the rig !!


You guys should hang some fakey stuff at the station just for the photos.

Framed picture of Grandma, garden rake, baseball glove, etc.

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 14, 2018 - 11:07am PT
How long does it take to break down and pack up a camp like that Anita?
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