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Yazoo Ms
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 25, 2018 - 10:51am PT
Media always go disproportionately nuts for cave rescues.....It's a tradition ever since Courier-Journal got Pulitzer in the 30s....for Floyd Collins problem in Kentucky...

See also the excellent 1951 Billy Wilder film "Ace in the Hole" with Kirk Douglas as nasty reporter.

Current news item from Thailand:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/asia/thailand-cave-boys-trapped/index.html


climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Jun 25, 2018 - 11:41am PT
Probably Samuel Clemens fault.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jun 25, 2018 - 04:24pm PT
Credit: jeff constine
cave's in Thailand are crazy cool!
another nickname

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Yazoo Ms
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 25, 2018 - 05:07pm PT
Yah I guess stuff in Thailand's pretty amazing, though tropical environment seems potentially a bit weird (snakes & bugs??)...

Floyd C. got stuck & died (1925) in "Sand Cave" which more recently got linked with Mammoth...("Flynt Ridge??).....Amazing finds down there, I guess, in past 20 years or so....(My caving career has been extremely minimal)...

"Ace in the Hole" was shot near Gallup, NM (I don't think they used an actual cave). It's an outstanding example of film noir.

One hopes of course they find those boys... Sounds like a mess....Maybe they need Kirk Douglas to clean things up .....
troutboy

Trad climber
Newark, DE
Jun 25, 2018 - 07:52pm PT
It's Flint (not Flynt) Ridge, and, although the Flint Ridge Cave System and Mammoth Cave were connected in the early 70's and numerous other connections have since been made, Sand Cave has not been physically connected.
Gorgeous George

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Jun 26, 2018 - 11:52am PT
Hector Tovar wrote:

The Untold Stories of 33 Men Buried in a Chilean Mine and the Miracle That Set Them Free,

regarding the 2010 Copiapo mine accident.

Its a fascinating read, after the explosion that cut off their escape to the surface, the men descended into "El Refugio," a reinforced room designed to keep them safe:

The men, not yet knowing the extent or cause of the devastation and believing they’d be rescued in a few hours or days at most, retreated to the Refuge, a classroom-size, steel-reinforced safe room that holds provisions meant to feed 25 men for two days.

The inventory of the food included “1 can of salmon, 1 can of peaches, 1 can of peas, 18 cans of tuna, 24 liters of condensed milk (8 of which are spoiled), 93 packages of cookies,” not counting a few that some of the men ate on the sly, “and some expired medicines.”

They were finally rescued 69 days later after an international rescue effort.

You'll have nightmares for days.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jun 26, 2018 - 12:23pm PT
Serious caving is nothing short of insane. I get nightmares just thinking about it.
Don Paul

Social climber
Denver CO
Jun 27, 2018 - 10:37am PT
I got into climbing from caving. There was a caving club at my university and they would rescue you if you didn't come back when you were supposed to. I spent 24 hours in a cave once, way too long, and barely got to a phone in time to call off a rescue. Caving isn't as technical or scary as climbing. The main thing is to have enough batteries so your lights don't go out, lol.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jul 1, 2018 - 08:41am PT
Credit: jeff constine
Have a nice cave!
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Jul 1, 2018 - 02:36pm PT
I hope these young athletes survive this.
So many warning signs. It's hard to understand how the coach could have led these kids into such an obvious potential deathtrap.



Credit: pud
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Jul 1, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
So xcon,
you would wade a dozen kids a half mile through a flooded cave because a sign tells you it's safe?
kingtut

climber
Jingus Newroutaineer
Jul 2, 2018 - 09:42am PT
Everybody rescued (*edit found, still stuck) today per CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/02/asia/thai-cave-rescue-intl/index.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 2, 2018 - 10:00am PT
hey there say, kingtut... oh my... :O thank you for seeing this link, and for sharing it... thank you...


hoping, now, that their health does not fail...
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jul 2, 2018 - 10:15am PT
Hooray!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 2, 2018 - 10:22am PT
Nice for a happy ending once and awhile these days....

Hats off to the cave divers, that's some seriously dangerous s#$t.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 2, 2018 - 10:32am PT
Another Nick's reference to the death of Floyd Collins (from exposure) in 1925 sort of highlights an aspect of human nature and the idea that the more things change the more they stay the same.

In our modern world it is easy to forget we're all one short step away from peril or disaster. It's also easy to pretend the dangers of the past have been taken care of.

But in some large sense we're all descendants of cave dwellers, or so it is thought. Deep in our collective psyche there is an itch that oft times cannot be sufficiently scratched. It's as if we are moths to flames or something.

I learned to cave at a young age and just as with climbing I read everything I could lay my hands on at the Dickson County bookmobile. The story of Floyd Collins was one such book. It made national headlines as it played out. Rescuers were in touch with Floyd, literally, they could touch him. But he was trapped by a shifted rock and he died before they could figure a way to get him out.

The nation was riveted by the unfolding story. Even those horrified by the thought of the resulting claustrophobia could not look away.

Fast forward almost 100 years and bam, same thing but with a happier ending.

My own caving career is over. I had zero claustrophobia back in the day but now a tight crawl tightens my chest and shallows my breathing. I no longer enjoy being in that distant world separated by arduous crawls and tight squeezes from blue sky.

But still I watch.

Very cool the boys in Thailand are still alive. Hope they get them out soon!

DMT
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2018 - 11:01am PT
9 days.. wow.

They still have to drain the cave to get them out. I don't know how they will accomplish that if it keeps raining. It is the rainy season there.
otisdog

Social climber
Sierra Madre, Ca.
Jul 2, 2018 - 11:33am PT
Found!
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jul 2, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
But in some large sense we're all descendants of cave dwellers, or so it is thought. Deep in our collective psyche there is an itch that oft times cannot be sufficiently scratched.
I have zero urge to be in a cave. When I see one, I feel nothing.

A caveman, presumably, went deep enough to get out of the elements - not 1000's of feet - because that sh!t is weird. I would connect it to some dysfunction during natural birth.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 2, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
A recent find in Africa, interred hominin remains deep in a cave. Really fascinating Nova on it just last week:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/dawn-of-humanity.html

DMT
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