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oliviateal

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 11, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
Steph Davis has always been my climbing role model and over the years when I read her posts on veganism I always admired her way of thinking and wanted to give it a shot. But I'm lazy (it's genetic I swear!) so it never happened. A couple weeks ago I was listening to Honnold talk about his environmental reasons for going vegetarian and looked into the issue myself. Blew my mind and finally pushed me to try being vegan.

So far so good! Could just be placebo effect but I do feel stronger and more energized. Even sent my first V9 in the Gunks, which I've been working on forever. Just wanted to touch base with other vegan climbers out there, and pick your brains. What snacks do you pack for camping? Got tips and recipes? Gimme some beta!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 11, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
Good for you for making smart choices for personal and environmental reasons.


Honnolds climbing shoes are made out of cows btw.

Search vegan or vegetarian in the upper right & you will find a bunch of existing threads here on the topic.


Peace!
Dante

Boulder climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
Welcome to veganism! Steph Davis is a complete badass, love reading her articles. She has some pretty good recipes and cooking videos, too. Evolv and Five Ten make a good number of leather-free shoes, btw. Congrats on the V9, awesome achievement. I didn't experience any mind-blowing changes in strength and energy when I went vegan, but I did put on 20 lbs of muscle in the first couple years, and I have an easier time maintaining a low bodyfat now.

*Shameless plug* I run a vegan cooking website that focuses on inexpensive, easy, and delicious recipes. Also has step-by-step videos, so if you're new to cooking just follow along :) My advice to new vegans is to just eat whatever foods you normally eat, to make the transition easier. If you eat a lot of burritos, pizza, burgers, nachos, etc. then stick with that for now. Keep it enjoyable!

http://www.happivore.com
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 11, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
Diets....Lacto Vegetarian, Lacto Ovo Vegetarian, Fruitarian Vegetarian, Pescetarian, Endenic, Flexitarian, Paleolithic, Atkins, Zone, Dukan, Mediterranean.....there are literally hundreds of diets all claiming to be the WAY. If one suits you by all means embrace it, make it your own. Diets are personal.....and should be kept that way, too much conflicting evidence to make proselytizing one a valid endeavor.
John M

climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
My advice to new vegans is to just eat whatever foods you normally eat,

whew!!! for a minute there I thought that I was going to have to give up meat. :-)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jun 11, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
What Donini said.

Really. I mean, who knows?

Moral issues aside, the best summary of how to eat right that I've ever seen is this seven-word summary from Michael Pollan: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly vegetables."

Of course, he had to write a book to explain what "Eat food" meant, but the short version is "don't eat crap."
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jun 11, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
Vegan's the way to go but it's like a full time job finding the right foods and preparing meals that taste good.
Dante

Boulder climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
Vegan's the way to go but it's like a full time job finding the right foods and preparing meals that taste good.

It's really easy, just takes getting used to like anything in life. Animal products are such a huge part of our food culture that it might feel weird to bake without eggs and milk, or eat breakfast without bacon, when we've done it day after day our whole lives. But once you're used to the new style of eating it doesn't take any more time or effort to make awesome meals. I would actually say vegan cooking is easier than cooking with meat, from my experience.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jun 11, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
"I do feel stronger and more energized"

Because you are light-headed? Give it a couple of months. Personally I'm convinced the only way is to grow your own -- produce even from frou-frou farmer's markets just isn't fresh enough to provide the nutrients you need.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jun 12, 2014 - 01:23am PT
Dnt worry to much about the nay sayers on here. When someone feels threatened by someone eating veggies and fruit, its simply because they try to justify their own diet. It takes allot of effort to eat vegetarian, vegan even more so.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 12, 2014 - 02:05am PT
None are 'the way to go', different strokes for different folks, we all have different needs....and being human is inherently bad for the environment, no matter what our diet, we are hard on the planet be it from our practices, being consumers, or just the sheer number of us. Just eat what feels good and treats you best.....Veganism or any other diet can make more of a consumer out of you than any other way of eating. There is no magic bullet.

Us non veganism-ers arent threatened by you fist shaking vegans, we're just annoyed. Smooches.
Bad Climber

climber
Jun 12, 2014 - 05:53am PT
++++ Donini.

We're WAY different beings. What works for one can make another seriously ill---fo' reelz.

Stay healthy. Check yer knots.

PS: Grass-fed meatinizm ain't too bad on the enviro, btw.

BAd
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jun 12, 2014 - 06:27am PT
What the annoying vegan propagandists (as distinguished from plain old unassuming non-evangelizing vegans) fail to mention is that if you are vegan for environmental reasons you really need to stop eating vegetables not grown by yourself.

Most of these folks have NO idea what goes into those veggies. Tons and tons of animal products! 99.99% of all organic farms rely heavily on animal inputs (or I guess we should say outputs) for fertility. Many apply raw manure directly to their fields. Many keep animals solely for that purpose.

I'd venture to say that at any given farmers market you'd be very hard pressed to find a single vegetable or fruit that wasn't grown with animal products somewhere along the line. For perspective, application rates of compost can be as high as 65 tons per acre per year. That's a crapload of poo.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 12, 2014 - 06:45am PT
Anyone who is concerned enough about their diet to strictly follow one of the many available is likely on a good track.
The majoritiy of Americans are stuck in a triangle of taste, price and convenience. That translates to way too much fat, sugar, salt and processed food.
There is another triangle that can lead to better health that is....caring, evaluating, sticking.
1) CARING enough about what you consume to decide to do something about it.
2) Study nutrition and EVALUATE what's out there that suits you best.
3) Pick a diet and, here is the key, STICK to it.
I'm sure that any diet a concerned person picks will be far superior to the highly processed foods laden with salt, sugar and fat that so many Americans relish.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jun 12, 2014 - 07:01am PT
I like Michael Pollan's:

Don't eat anything your grandmother [or great-grandmother] wouldn't recognize as food!
mynameismud

climber
backseat
Jun 12, 2014 - 07:41am PT
I have been dabling with the Vegan/Veggie diet for the past few months. I did not really take it to serious until I started to travel and while eating at restaurants sometimes found it almost impossible to find something on a menu without animal products. That just kind of pissed me off. Not that eating animal products bothered me since I had been doing it for 50 years. It was the thought that all these establishments were saying I had to eat animal products.

I do feel better eating a plant based diet. Lost some weight and seem to have more energy. Have been surprised in how much my taste for food has changed. I am at the point where I can't really stand those heavy fat/meat based meals anymore.
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jun 12, 2014 - 07:58am PT
I was a vegetarian for a few years. There was no change in my health. I started eating meat again because was just easier.

Also, various supplements I tried didn't make me any stronger or healthier.

Lots of veggies and meat is the best diet for me. But, people are different.

Translation: Thay ate a Pole and they are still drunk after two days!
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jun 12, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
Eat your protein!

For the new study "Quantitative analysis of dietary protein intake and stroke risk" which was published in the journal Neurology on June 11, Xinfeng Liu, from the Nanjing University School of Medicine in Jiangsu Province in China, and colleagues reviewed seven studies which followed 254,489 adult participants for an average of 14 years to assess the association between dietary protein intake and risks of stroke.
The researchers found that individuals who had the most protein in their diet had 20 percent lesser risks to have a stroke during the duration of the study compared with those who had the lowest amount of protein in their diet. The researchers also observed that adding 20 grams of protein to the diet daily could lead to a 26 percent drop in stroke risks.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8382/20140612/high-protein-diet-lowers-risk-of-stroke-meat-lovers-rejoice.htm

Andrzej

julton

climber
Jun 13, 2014 - 09:20am PT
Aren't you that sickly yellow skinned guy who intentionally starves himself periodically?
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jun 13, 2014 - 11:31am PT
Not all that easy: if one does decide to go vegan just need to buy or know the ones to stay away from eating:

[GMO] genetically modified organism foods: Corn, soy, sugarbeets, aspartame, papayas[ Hawaii], Canola oil, rapeseed, zucchini, yellow squash, Dairy: growth hormones types, organic ok providing that they are not feed with GMO fillers.

Rice as in "Roundup Ready rice", NewLeaf potatoes [were used briefly by McDonald's for their french fries before consumer backlash against GMOs put an end to their use]. Monsanto has since stopped production of NewLeaf.

Corn syrup in drinks, Dry cereals as in corn and rice........

Pesticides: Mexico has the worst record on all vegetables.
Dried herbs [bottled] that you buy at the stores to shake is not great best to grow or buy organic and dry them yourself.

Then there is “Round up” as in spraying to keep the weeds away

Also one needs to have blood checked for Vitamin D and calcium on a vegan diet: low D high C count can create problems; if you are in the sun or taking a good daily supplement no problem.

#1 problem is the cost since they more expensive. People usually will not buy because of this.

Boycott all Monsanto products if you get the chance.
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