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tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 28, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
i am flying into glasgow in the end of june and will bike around scotland and then head south, hopefully eventually getting to southern italy.
i will be bringing my climbing shoes, and i have been trying to decide if i should bring a harness. i plan on camping for the most part.
soooo.... i am looking for recomendations...places to go, with or with out climbing...hints for staying low budget....camping recomendations (i have extensive training in the art of the stealth bivy in the u.s....europe is totaly new for me) ....and any other things i should consider.
thanks,
j
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 28, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Awesome, man, I am jealous. The better half and I are planning to bike from the Netherlands to France at some point, probably be a few years though.

If you want to make an Eastern swing, the sandstone of Eastern Germany (Dresden area) is something else. Knots for protection on some of the most unique features anywhere, right on the Czech border. If you're a go for that I can put you in contact with good people.

Also, Spain - Riglos - amazing towers and very unique rock.

If you get tired of pedaling, get a rail pass - you can go anywhere by train - although some of them stop at every single little hamlet and burg, it sure beats renting a car with fuel at 15 bucks a gallon.

For cheap places to stay, the hostel system in Europe is the way to go.

Have a great trip!
JimT

climber
Munich
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:20am PT
Wild camping is legal in Scotland on unfenced land subject to a few restrictions, Google will tell you all.
Wild camping is not permitted in England but in the right place tolerated, youīll only be moved on anyway.
In France itīs tolerated. Most towns have a municipal campsite anyway.
In Belgium no idea, finding somewhere wild (outside of the Ardennes) is going to be difficult.
Germany it is generally illegal but usually tolerated, there are campsites everywhere generally anyway. In some of the nature parks non-motorised wild camping isallowed at specified sites.
Italy the same as Germany.
There is an organisation http://campinmygarden.com/ which might be interesting for England.
You can camp in my garden, I live near Munich!
Bring your harness and rockshoes.
Andy Fielding

Trad climber
UK
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:03am PT
For the extra weight bring a harness. You could probably rock up at most crags and someone will take pity on you. Once you're done in Scotland if you're cycling south then the Lake District is nice although might be difficult to find someone to climb with if you haven't organised something in advance. Head south and then west into North Wales but definately head over to the Peak District. Lots of short gritstone crags which if the weather is OK will always have people on them. You're 99% sure to be able to join up with other people there. Once in France are you thinking of heading down to Fontainbleau (just south of Paris)? There are a few campsites around but I have come across people wild camping when I've been there. Keep us posted nearer the time and may be some of us this side of the pond could even hook up with you. Enjoy your trip.

Andy
Fishy

climber
Zurich, Switzerland
Jan 29, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Definitely throw your harness in. Not much weight/volume, will open up plenty of options en route.

Concerning the big question of stealth camping US vs EU: there are some significant differences. In general most countries forbid it, however there are still lots of opportunities. The primary issue is population density - it is just tough to be stealth in many areas, as there are people crawling around everywhere.

I would strongly suggest you come through Switzerland - you can crash with us for a re-charge, and then we can go and hit some rocks. Plenty of granite to share with you - much better than that damn limestone you will find scattered over the majority of Europe :)
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
thanks for the advice and bivy/climbing offers. i will be getting in touch with you as the time nears via email.
y'all have convinced me to bring my harness.
i welcome any more advice...
peace,
j
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
For a night in Paris the Crillon is a nice joint.
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
any more advice? in a week i leave the land of excessive computer time and return to the land of climbing and living outdoors. so i was hoping to get as much info as i could now before i tune out of ST for a few months.
thanks,
j
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
I heard they set up a new trail in Scotland which allows you to hike from Castle to Castle. I would so check that out!


P.S. Here is the link!
http://www.visitscotland.com/see-do/itineraries/scotlands-castle-trail
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
One thing to remember about camping in Europe. If you choose established campgrounds be forewarned that they are much more developed than those in the US (hot showers, laundry facilities, etc.) so they can be pretty pricey (up to $25).

Reilly,

I have stayed at the Crillon. The breakfast buffet is about $100 which is pretty outrageous, but it is a buffet and we are climbers.....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
Bruce, HahaHaHaha! I figured somebody else must have.
Did ya pack a lunch from the buffet extra just to stay in practice for Camp 4? :-)
How many Lambos with Saudi embassy plates were at the curb?
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