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Chief

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The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 16, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
For those who care, 47 years ago today Lt. Col. Hal Moore and the late Sgt. Major Basil Plumley rode the last lift of their bloodied battalion out of LZ X Ray in the Ia Drang Valley in Vietnam's Central Highlands after some 72 hours of combat.
The 1/7 Cav of the Airmobile Division had met the NVA in the first battalion sized engagement in the Vietnam war and what Neil Sheehan described as the most significant battle since Ap Bac. As it turned out, Hal Moore's understrength battalion defended the LZ in a lopsided fight against a reinforced NVA regiment taking 79 KIA and 121 wounded while inflicting losses of an estimated 1215 enemy killed.
The 1/7 was relieved by the 2/5 and 5/7 and, in contrast to Moore's exemplary performance, McDade's 2/7 later walked into an ambush on the way to LZ Albany and suffered grievous losses.
In explaining the costly Ia Drang campaign to the American public, Defense Secreatry Robert MacNamara introduced the doctrine of acceptable losses in the 10:1 body count and the notion of winning the Vietnam war through a level of attrition the Vietnamese couldn't endure. Joe Galloway said that in that statement "you could smell the beginning of the rot" that would permeate the remainder of the conflict. The Vietnamese endured at unimaginable cost and history repudiated MacNamara's theory.

This story is well chronicled in Hal Moore's and Joe Galloway's account, "We Were Soldiers Once and Young", Harper Perennial.

Respect
mtnyoung

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Twain Harte, California
Nov 16, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
The LZ X-ray part of the Ia Drang battle gets most of the attention for many reasons. It was the first, large, stand-up fight between U.S. and main force N.V.A. units. It was a hell of a hard fight, and Moore's (reinforced) battalion did well.

But the events of the next day, which are less well known, didn't turn out so well. The units that secured LZ X-ray so that Moore's battalion could evacuate marched overland the next day from X-ray toward LZ Albany. Their march security wasn't very good and they were ambushed. In another knock-down, drag-out fight, this time in heavy brush and jungle, these First Cav units took a hell of a beating.

None of this is in the book or the movie (it's Moore's book and his unit wasn't in the ambush).

Lots of respect is indeed due these soldiers, who believed in what they were fighting for. Almost half a century past the events, with Vietnam no longer an "enemy," the same should probably be said for the Vietnamese soldiers who fought so hard and bitterly.

Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
None of this is in the book or the movie (it's Moore's book and his unit wasn't in the ambush)

Yes it's very much in the book and Moore's battalion was understrength and not reinforced.
The fate of the 2/7 is referenced in my post and well chronicled in Moore's and Galloway's book and offers a sobering counterpoint to the 1/7s costly but well fought battle.
McDade's was ordered to walk his battalion from X Ray through "Indian Country" to Albany with no air support and little in the way of preregistered artillery support.
No flanking patrols, just a green Lt. Col. leading his column on a "walk in the sun" through the elephant grass.
After the capture of an NVA prisoner, McDade stopped the column, called all his company commanders and their radio operators forward leaving his three rifle companies without leaders or communications when the NVA opened up a blistering attack the full length of the stalled out column. It was carnage.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 16, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
Perry, it's been years since I read the book, and I stand corrected.

I did just watch the movie (days after Sergeant Plumley died, I watched it "in his honor"). Obviously the second action is not in the movie, but to put this second action in the movie would have doubled its length, so that is understandable.
Ron Anderson

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USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Nov 16, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
the vets i know that enjoyed "the shyt" said they were the ultimate challenge. I had many accounts from friends and my brothers of goings on from 69 on. The opposing general said it best at that battle. And was indeed correct. imagine having to wonder about the S Vietnamese while fighting the N Vietnamese and kong all mixed into one. Boy,, sounds like the ME!



edit: My 2nd to oldest bro Rick is going in for surgeries on "spots" in his skin due to,,"agent orange". He was USAF on the cambodian border with the CIA, and Air America. He received the NCO of the year during his stint to First Sgt. But all three older bros were there at one point or another. Heli meds, missle launchers etc. All USAF. I was a young teenager and wondering if i would be drafted. I was going to volunteer at that time. then 74 rolled around..
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
Some documentary perspectives on the Ia Drang campaign October/November 1965

CBS Coverage circa Nov. 19, 1965
http://youtu.be/25x53ibwp7A

ABC Documentary Ia Drang 28 Years Later
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpTB7LH_5L4&feature=share&list=LP55wLmT_6yDY
Part 2 http://youtu.be/m_fmnZ3CC8A
Part 3 http://youtu.be/QBvjuZwGlSA
Part 4 http://youtu.be/bEQdYydPOgA

Battle of Ia Drang Documentary
http://youtu.be/FxPeHqH4XxI
mouse from merced

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The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 17, 2012 - 06:41am PT
I recall reading Moore's book. I was not surprised there was a fine movie made of it. It's one of the better ones, I thought.

It was many years ago, like eight or ten, that I saw a recounting of the battle courtesy of 60 Minutes II. Dan Rather talked to Col. Moore. It was in 2002.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/mopic/findaid/vietnam.html

The above link tells about several aired programs and other content concerning VN through 1989 at least.

Yes, I do care. I had one real good friend who fought (and lived) in the A Shau nearby. His stories freak me out.
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