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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 18, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
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It's not quite Jurassic Park but it looks like we will soon be using cloning technology to bring the wooly mammoth back from extinction. Some say this is likely to happen within the decade.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375794,00.asp
My take on this is that success here will soften the world's attitude toward cloning in general (or, actually educate it) and prepare it for the eventual cloning of humans, esp the desirable ones, as means to strengthening and directing the gene pool of our species. -Which an easy friendly living environment (via entropy and the democrats) tends to amorphize and weaken.
It is interesting, perhaps humanity would do itself better with a few more Halle Berrys and Carl Sagans and Natalie Portmans and Steven Jobs and Steven Wosniaks running around.
Exciting times.
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re: America and Cloning
But do I think America will lead the way on this? No. Because its "overly mature" democracy (or, aged democracy) won't be able to pull its head out of the partisan political quagmire in which it's got itself stuck.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 18, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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What's the point? They gonna turn 'em loose on a dude ranch for hunting?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 01:36pm PT
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re: post-fossil fuels, relocalization and cloning
Also interesting to ponder, I think... with a population collapse because of resource depletion (most notably fossil fuels), relocalization movements, the emergence of autonomous self-sustaining communities the world over - this will set the stage for an assortment of experimentation, for better or worse, in cloning.
Natural selection. Survival of the fittest. New speciation. Homo superbus versus Homo sapiens. Brave new world. No wonder some want off this carousel, eh? A bit overwhelming if you let it.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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Well, this would certainly fulfill your dream, Dr. F - driving the point home to the Abrahamic supernaturalists of America (not to mention the Abrahamic supernaturalists of the Middle East, the Muslims) that evolution is indeed fact. -And that, it is perhaps time, at long last, to re-examine that "Under God" or "Under Jehovah" narrative by which they live their lives.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 02:45pm PT
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Tami,
All good points. But note: This won't stop it. Nor, in my opinion, should it. The "experimentation", that is. As far as direction, what direction? How about that direction, or those directions, that most characterize our species.
Justin Beiber: Yummy.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:55pm PT
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Mammoths may have been extirpated by man. They haven't been gone long.
So they belong. Bring them back.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Jan 18, 2011 - 03:07pm PT
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I clone things all the time. Plants mostly, though.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 18, 2011 - 03:09pm PT
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Moving PR's comment on the mammoth closer to the present. Are we archiving DNA taken from members of the many specie going extinct today?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 03:09pm PT
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del cross- the egg "housing" has been de-nucleated. That's the whole point. Review your microbiology textbooks, chapter on cloning techniques.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Jan 18, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
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What's a "Justin Beeber"?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 03:14pm PT
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Its a rodent that eats just in the trees.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
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Remembering Mother Nature's a cruel mistress, I can imagine a dozen if not 100 cloning community failures for every success. It only takes one or two successes out of a hundred to keep the "carousel" motoring on.
When the sh'it hits the fan (say, 100 to 500 years hence) and the strength of our species gene pool is at stake (if not its entire survival) - for whatever the reasons - we won't focus on the failures.
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del cross, mtDNA? Is that mitochondrial?
Regarding any "epigenesis" effects, pretty minimal I'd imagine. But that's what the trials are for. Right?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 06:13pm PT
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Rok, really, I wish you'd stick to Klimmer's threads, where you two are made for each other.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
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Here's a thought-
Could cloning of a H. superbus (next step up from H. sapiens) become the next evolutionary arms race? Looks like Japan and China are "going for it" no holds barred already. Would their success in turning out high performance clones (modeled on their heroes of course) incentivize all the world's communities to the same?
High performance clones manning high performance cyber and military systems. Would make for a potent "take on the world" machine. Food for thought.
Yeah. The more the dimensions of it sink in, the more I think cloning is here to stay. It's just a matter of perfecting the techniques.
Sure, some will bitch and moan about it, but all the while the carousel motors on. (Kinda like Iran's development of nuclear weaponry.)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 06:30pm PT
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So are mammoths born with horns? If so, maybe that helps explain the extinction thing.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2011 - 06:37pm PT
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del cross- Impressive!
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 18, 2011 - 07:04pm PT
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High Fructose Corn Spirit always trying to play and imitate God.
A real dangerous activity .....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 07:11pm PT
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I wonder what would happen to mammoth ivory (which is currently the only ivory legally marketable).
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jstan
climber
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Jan 18, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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Since 1977 objects employing ivory have to have a certificate prepared by the original
manufacturer to be legally imported into the US. People with collector bagpipes made even in the
20's and 30's do not try to carry those instruments across a border. A mistaken confiscation of an
heirloom instrument would just be too damaging. International competitors most often use instruments
obtained specifically for use on international trips. All too often enforcement personnel
are ill-informed as to the law.
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