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Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 8, 2010 - 09:40am PT
I'm in the process of reading the following article:

The Bottom Line on Sunscreens

http://www.ewg.org/2010sunscreen/full-report/


The topic of sunscreens comes up occasionally and I now find myself shopping for a product in a completely bewildered state. There appear to be several common ingredients in sunscreen products which pose significant health dangers, some which actually increase sun damage! The FDA's failure to perform its role of protecting consumers with even rudimentary safety requirements for sunscreen products, and its failure to enforce accurate product labeling, only adds to the confusion.

I'm no scientist and I do not know how to evaluate the bona fides of the testers. I'm curious to read your feedback on the info provided above, as well as your personal experiences and recommendations.


FDA:
"32 years (and counting) after its first draft sunscreen standards, still no final rule.
The FDA first issued draft sunscreen regulations in 1978 and last updated the draft in 2007. The regulations are still not final, despite multiple announcements of impending completion. Until the agency formally issues its rule, companies are not required to verify that their sunscreens work, including testing for SPF levels, checking waterproof claims or providing UVA protection. Nearly 1 in 8 sunscreens does not block UVA rays. Buyer beware!"
Pate

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2010 - 09:50am PT
I was recently informed by my dermatologist that it is crucial to put on both UVA and UVB sunscreen, one without the other is like hang-gliding w/ one wing. White zinc all over your lips too. He has been a family friend for 30 years, so he knows that I work outside in the mountains day in-day out. There's not a whole lot that can be done if so.

I was at his office to have a chunk cut off of my shoulder, and now I've got chemotherapy gel to put on my right temple area. It's called flourouracil and it's gnarly, has to be put on while wearing gloves once a day. Better than a knife on your face though.

Hats are crucial, not just ball caps or visors but wide brims. When I'm on the river I wear a long sleeved sun block shirt and sun proof gloves. Hands are often overlooked. Apparently the advent of Tevas and the popularity of flip flops has created an increased number of melanomas on feet, so you have to sauce up your toes also.
ncrockclimber

climber
NC
Aug 8, 2010 - 10:27am PT
So what brand do you use? I have been using whatever the wife buys (usually spf 50 or higher since we are very light skinned) and thinking I am fine. Your comments on different kinds of protection and the FDA issues make me think that I might not be protected as well as I think.
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:02am PT
I posted a long, multi part article about suncreens by Sporting News. Here is the link to the thread. It is eye opening.


http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1187313&msg=1187340#msg1187340

CF

climber
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:02am PT
makes you white but works great

SPF 30+ Sunscreen Lotion Super Sensitive - Fragrance Free by California Baby (2.9 oz.)

Active Ingredients: Micronized Titanium Dioxide
Inactive Ingredients: Purified Water, Coconut Fatty Acid: Alkybenzoate (moisturizer), Silicone: Cyclomeythicone (water Repellent), Vegetable Glycerin, Kipolyhydyroxystearate (works To Emulsify), Candelilla Wax (protects Against Moisture Loss), Vitamin E (antioxidant), Coconut Oil, Squalane (from Olive Oil), Epsom Salts (magnesium Sulfate), Panthenol, Allatoin, Magnesium Stearate, *proprietary Broad Spectrum Preservative System.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2010 - 11:03am PT
Use a burka or if that's too bulky take a hint from how Michael jackson dressed his kids.

There appears to be specific warnings against SPF 50+ products.

Ekat some time ago had recommended a L'Oreal product that needs to be ordered from Canada as it's not legal for sale in the USA. IIRC, she claimed it's good for climbing, doesn't reek of fragrance, and isn't greasy.
Pate

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:13am PT
So what brand do you use?

Banana Boat UVA and UVB 50 waterproof spray on. I think the spray on is the way to go, quick application and easy to re-apply, plus you don't miss any spots.

I just get generic zinc for my ears/nose and lips.
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:32am PT
Neutrogena ultimate sport sunblock lotion

70+spf uva-uvb with helioplex
The Doc made a point about the helioplex
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:34am PT
I use Kinesys spray (non alcohol) for arms and legs. For my face I use their lotion with titanium dioxide. You look a bit white for about 1/2 an hour, after that you return to the living. Since I started using their products (about 7 years ago) I haven't had anything come up for the Dr to burn off my face.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Social climber
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:36am PT
Banana Boat UVA and UVB 50 waterproof spray on

Does the dermatologist approve? I was under the impression the spray-ons were largely ineffective.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2010 - 11:41am PT
pocoloco1,
From the site referenced in the OP:

Neutrogena Ultimate Sport Sunblock Lotion, SPF 70+
Rating #7 (0-2 recommended; 3-6 caution; 7-10 avoid)
high health concerns, contains oxybenzone, misleading SPF


You can search specific sunscreens for ratings at the following site (however, as stated in my OP, I do not know the bona fides of the testers)

http://www.ewg.org/2010sunscreen/finding-the-best-sunscreens/


Pate,
At the aforementioned site, Banana Boat products uniformly have among the worst ratings and are on the 'avoid' list.


pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:44am PT
Thank you. I will check this out with the Doc and post up any info that comes my way.
Pate

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:47am PT
Does the dermatologist approve? I was under the impression the spray-ons were largely ineffective.

I don't know, I've never asked. I hope I haven't been applying in vain! I'm going to do a little research on it.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2010 - 11:49am PT
Pate, look upthread a couple posts.

Yer gonna die!
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:52am PT
So my face sunscreen gets dinged for having oxybenzone.

Well that explains the boobs and mood swings.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2010 - 11:54am PT
Yer gonna die as a woman with t|ts!
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2010 - 12:00pm PT
Can we please have the scientific thinkers make an appearance on this thread and rate the credibility of the website listed in the OP, as well as their ratings and research?

It seems most are choosing sunscreens by using an expensive adult version of 'pin the tail on the donkey'.
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Aug 8, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
To paraphrase Locker------


WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!


I use Neutrogena.

The sunscreen report Lovegasoline links to: hates Neutrogena, Banana Boat, and about every other common Sunscreen.



Here is a link to their very short list of sunscreens that aren't horribly dangerous to use.

http://www.ewg.org/2010sunscreen/best-beach-sport-sunscreens/
Pate

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2010 - 12:03pm PT
Ruh-Roh!
Credit: Pate
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Aug 8, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
from what it says on that site, the sprays are unsafe to breath, and that is why they should be avoided.
thanks for posting this. it is very interesting.
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