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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 5, 2010 - 10:12pm PT
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If you are not laughing, you probably believe the incessant lies of your self-serving organization and government leaders.
I am trapped by circumstances, unable to do anything more worthwhile for a day or so. You are the victim of my escape to the cool ridges, faces, couliors, summits and bare rock illusions of SuperTopo.
A few months ago the Portugese Mountaineering Association, by some such name, requested the international mountaineering community to support its opposition to a new 200 Euro, "environmental protection" tax on access to climbing areas in Portugal.
The Portugese government scam is like the US government 200 dollar "mountaineering program" tax on the right of climbers to walk (climb) on various US National Park Service mountains.
The Portugese climbing club leaders requested international climbers to support the time-proven-useless petitions and street demonstrations.
In response, the Alaskan Alpine Club (a member of UIAA) formally proposed that UIAA (International Union of Alpinists Associations) list all those nations which penalized visiting climbers with taxes to climb mountains, and all those nations which welcomed visiting climbers with free access to the mountains. The later wisely appreciate and welcome visitors, and derive foriegn source income by local people offering genuine services and products for visitors to willingly purchase. The former unwisely prove that they do not welcome visitors, especially climbers, penalizing them for showing up, taking their money for nothing of any use, and denying their own people that money for genuine services and products.
Concurrently, the Alaskan Alpine Club suggested that UIAA encourage climbers to visit countries where mountaineering exists in freedom, and avoid countries, such as the US, where a Mountaineering Police State demands fees (taxes) to pay the lying police (US National Park Service Rangers) to demand the fees to pay the lying police...
Concurrently, the Club suggested that UIAA formally denigrate the taxed mountains as any honorable credentials for climbers, and elevate the status of free mountains as worthy mountaineering credentials.
The club sent the proposal to UIAA and all of its members.
Laugh. UIAA is controlled by the few large government-controlled national clubs, most notably the American Alpine Club and its selectively distributed large sums of money. UIAA will continue to support government taxation of climbers for "environmental protection", at damage to actual climbers who do not damage the environment, while the US Park Service taxes on climbers put more money into the US Police State and War Regime. A million obscure taxes add up to a lot of money.
How else could the US come up with enough money for 5 current Presidential Ego Gratification Wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia) among others, against nations whose governments or militaries did not attack the US?
UIAA has remained silent on the proposal, as expected, with its American Alpine Club financially supported Canadian Alpine Club UIAA president who was previously a climber, until he became a "leader" flattered by other "leaders" to cause his mind to believe that he was greater than those mere rabble of low life climbers, and thus support the "fellow organization and government leaders" against the actual climbers, much to the amusement of those who watched and discussed the power-corrupted transition of his mind.
So you unquestionibng climbers keep supporting your Bush's, Obama's, American Alpine Club dolts, UIAA leaders, Park Rangers and your other "leaders" who cannot tolerate any questions of their self-serving actions, such as taxing you to exercise what was your RIGHT to walk on open public land.
And never expect the American Alpine Club controlled UIAA to do anything useful for actual climbers.
Subject to circumstance, I may remain on this route, or may not.
Keep on having entirely too much fun. It enrages the government thugs who inherently consider all free-thinking people to be enemies of the intellectually void State.
DougBuchanan.com
AlaskanAlpineClub.org
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Should we all be laughing robustly?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there doug, say, i never understand all these indepth organization things, but it is always nice for folks to share them with folks from time to time...
may the good lord watch over you and your family, through the new year... the world is a rough and hard place, as we all know, and many times in ways that we may not understand...
god bless...
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apogee
climber
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Doug's back!
Yay!
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Chief
climber
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Thanks for another useless bag of vitriol.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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There's nothing like a good whine to soothe the anxieties of the day.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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You're on belay Dougie, rant on.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I liked the rant, lots of truth there, but it's the first I'd ever heard of it Duog. I'm probably not on the portugese climbers associations mailing list I suppose.
BTW, Bush was gone a while ago, the new guy doesn't look anything like him, although it appears that the policies are real close to Bushlike in some areas.
The critical energy policy for instance. Bush's policy was to subsidize low gas prices at home via borrowing money and spending it on military action overseas. This way, we can drive big assed SUVs to work. All it costs is a bunch of dead people and a few billion dollars. Same-same with Obama. Except our borrowing has gone up even more to do it.
No charge for my lecture today....
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Chip
Trad climber
Sittin' Pretty in Fat City
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Doug, I appreciate that you feel strongly enough to volunteer your time as a representative. There are not enough who will. I don't subscribe to the same views you express about the world, but that is not a problem to me and should not be to others. I am sorry you are so frustrated. I believe in a world where you should get what you pay for and that market prices will determine how much that is. Unfortunately, governments do not feel pressured to allow this process and will simply tax and charge what they can. Your local politicians are the most susceptable to the will of the people and I suggest you start there.
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
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Dingus.....
The case, as I stated...
"The later (governments who do not tax every human action in their nation) wisely appreciate and welcome visitors, and derive foriegn source income by local people offering genuine services and products for visitors to willingly purchase. The former (governments who tax everything) unwisely prove that they do not welcome visitors, especially climbers, penalizing them for showing up, taking their money for nothing of any use, and denying their own people that money for genuine services and products."
So where will you take your money? Many people prefer to give their money to government, for no products or services. Next time you pay a Park entrance fee, for the RIGHT to visit your own public land, give them an extra couple hundred, and laugh at the idiots who fought the wars to create RIGHTS (an action for which the government holds no prevailing law authority to charge a fee or tax). And give the government another couple hundred dollars for their letting you breathe their air. You do not need the money for your other desires.
I prefer to get a real product or service that a person worked to produce, with my money that I worked to produce. Just a preference.
Chip, if I am frustrated, you are a fool to perceive so while I laugh myself to tears at the fools who are clueless of how to ask a question of a contradiction to resolve the contradiction. The American fools who pay for RIGHTS are as dumb as they come after so many people died horrible deaths in wars to create and defend human RIGHTS, actions for which the government verifiably, in the simple US Constitution, holds no authority to charge a fee or tax, or demand permission (license, permit).
Of course those equally clueless dolts who acquiese to the drug inferior laws contradicted by superior laws, and thus "willingly" surrender ownership and management (title) to their own bodies, to idiot government dolts, may more obviously earn the Supidity Zenith award.
Ignorant people are always the victims. Ask no questions. Stay ignorant. Bush, Obama and their intellectually void ilk appreciate your intellectual laziness upon which their lavish livestyles are dependent.
The humans remain deep in the intellectual dark ages because they are too lazy to simply ask a few effective questions.
Can you own your own body if the government can dictate what you can or cannot lawfully put into it without harming anyone else?
If you do not own your own body, can you hold any human rights?
If you hold no human rights, are you not sub-human?
All advantages go to the humans who use their mind to learn more knowledge.
You learn knowledge by asking and answering questions. Do so, if you wish.
Enjoy the show.
DougBuchanan.com
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
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Chief...
You are welcome.
How would you know?
What is the evidence?
How is it distinguished it from useful reasoning?
A person comes forward with typical uselss Democrat vitriol, and another person comes forward with typical Republican valuable reasoning.
How would a wise person be able to distinquish them, if not by the ability to ask and answer each question of each?
Notice that power-based institutions, and their power-damaged minds, suggest that criticism is vitriol and other denigraged things, while praise is good reasoning.
So how would one account for institutions that oppose each other and thus reverse the descriptions, if not by the intellectual absence of both instituions and their members?
Does power, such as the power of a park ranger to arrest a climber who does not pay the fee that pays the park ranger, corrupt, that is, alter the perceptions of the human mind?
So if you needed a person who could distinquish vitriol from reasoning, would you select the ranger or the person who could write the above paragraph?
Your answers?
Just a bit more vitriol for your appreciation, and my idle entertainment.
Doug
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Haven't the horses been out of the barn for years now?
I feel for ya Doug, but your just out of reach. Ignorance is nothing new and the blindness that it breeds handed over the authority to sell the whats yours and mine to the highest bidder generations ago. While it is an admirable battle your fighting, right now it seems like your swinging a dead cat in an empty room.
IMO it would be more helpful if you'd condense your message and be specific as to what can be done to aid your cause and unite like minded people.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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doug buchanan, my main man! bring it bro, i'm listening.
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WBraun
climber
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Those parks, the national forests lands, BLM, etc. BELONG to the Fed.
Only in theory.
They are only caretakers.
The real owner is you know who ......
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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^^^^^^^
The Masons?
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WBraun
climber
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There's only one owner of the planet/planets and the entire cosmic creation.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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"There's only one owner of the planet/planets and the entire cosmic creation."
That must be one helluva mortgage payment . . .
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Chief
climber
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Is there a point here?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I would recommend not poaching any of the Kings deer either Doug...and thanks for the reminders.
...not laughing, but perhaps wincing robustly here.
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