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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Aug 26, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
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I remember meeting Carol Moyer in the Valley so long ago and recall a very sweet person.
Wondered now and then what became of her like so many from back then and just happened on this thread.
How terribly sad.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Aug 27, 2018 - 12:26am PT
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She was great.... rope was not severed. I remember the whole event as if it happened only hours ago, from Walt telling me at the Deli to the entire recovery and later analysis.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Aug 27, 2018 - 01:07am PT
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That is how I met Walt for the first time. I was hanging out and climbing in Joshua Tree on my own one winter, Walt somehow heard that I was an engineer, and came over to my camp with his HP programmable calculator to discuss the physics of her fall. He wanted to make with a precise calculation of her speed at impact, and we worked on the problem for many hours into the night, eventually programming the differential equation into his calculator. At first it seemed a bit morbid to me, but then I realized it was an obsession of Walt’s to figure it out objectively.
It was this problem, with the inclusion of drag.
https://physics.csuchico.edu/kagan/204A/lecturenotes/Section15.pdf
We started climbing together the next day. For some reason I thought it was 1981, but according to this thread it must have been later. I moved to Yosemite in January 1984, and it was definitely before that, I thought at least a year or two before.
Carol’s accident was tragic and definitely made our generation much more aware of the risks.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Aug 27, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
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Russ and John,
Thanks for filling in more of the story about Carol.
Some bad Ju Ju in that overhang before the fifth pitch of The Trip.
A friend and I had our own amateur epic retreating there, losing a haul bag and burning the sh#t out of Walter Rosenthal’s fixed ropes.
Walter was so cool about the whole thing and I was ready to sell all my gear and quit climbing.
I think I first met Walt Shipley in Josh in 81-82.
Ditto for Cozzy and The Colonel.
Walt was looking for some recommends for routes to third class to in the RHV and I recommended In The Pit, Clean and Jerk and a couple other moderates.
I check in later that morning and he’s totally committed and searching for jams on Semi Tough.
Classic Shipley.
It would be great if someone had a picture of Carol Moyer to post here.
RIP
PB
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Aug 27, 2018 - 12:32pm PT
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Was the second Carol Caryl S. Williams from Arizona? We climbed together in 83 in Tuolumne with a group from Orange County. She was a solid climber.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
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To the OP:
https://m.facebook.com/caryl.williams.54
The above Facebook member lives in AZ and is about the right age - if 1954 is her birth year, she's 64.
Hope you can connect after all these years!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
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the lead Jumar hangs on a near horizontal tight rope like a hook makes it all happen. When you go to lower out or release the lower Jumar, the drop in tension makes the lead Jumar pop off.
Another endorsement for using a jug and a Gri-Gri for cleaning pitches. A second jumar is sometimes handy for maneuvering around pieces on an awkward traverse. I put a prusik/klemheist knot above the jug, because Royal Robbins said to do that in his book. Robbins also said to put the rope through the upper jumar's (locking!) carabiner.
You can never have enough back-up, when you're up there and you're seriously snail-eyed.
Tying figure-eights and clipping them to yourself with a big locker has the added benefit of not having one big, giant loop swaying in the breeze, catching on flakes and sticking in cracks.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2018 - 05:47pm PT
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That sounds too old. I was in my late teens at the time and she seemed to be about the same age as the OC crowd I hung out with (Andre Olibri, Bob Critchfield, Bob Cox, Eric Held). Though now that you mention it the last time I saw her was out at Josh and she was climbing with Bobbi Bensmen, who was originally from that neck of the woods. I remember because they were climbing topless (in a kind of out of the way location and back in the day when the place wasn't swarmed and you could get away with something like that).
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Aug 27, 2018 - 06:25pm PT
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If I remember right she was about finishing college in 1983. The FB pictures look right so I'll send a friend request--Thanks
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Aug 28, 2018 - 06:14am PT
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A nice gal!
she worked at basecamp an outdoor store in Tahoe City
I went climbing with her at Donner summit a
Few times
it was quite a shock when she passed
RIP Carol
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