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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 15, 2009 - 05:48pm PT
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I don't know why I'm thinking of this after all these years, but does anyone whatever happened to Carol "Aldo Nova" who climbed alot at Josh in the early-mid 80s. She drove a Nova, hence the Aldo Nova nickname.
I used to see her around alot then nothing. I always heard that the woman who died jugging on Tangerine Trip was also named Carol. Not the same person, was it (I hope)?
Just one of those random thoughts that popped up out of nowhere.
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Gene
Social climber
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Oct 15, 2009 - 05:53pm PT
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Carol Moyer
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Oct 15, 2009 - 06:05pm PT
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That Trip accident was probably in '82 or '83.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2009 - 06:06pm PT
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Thanks for the quick reply. Any idea whether it's the same Carol? Sorry, never knew her last name. Early twenties, long blond hair, kind of a thicker build.
Edit: the early 80s date is what made me think of it. Plus, I learned her name was Carol when hiking thru that little forest at the base with Nabolsi. He just said it Carol, like I'd know who it was. He said he'd always get a little spooked hiking thru there because of it.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Oct 15, 2009 - 06:08pm PT
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Probably not her. No long blond hair on Carol Moyer. Wasn't everyone early 20's back then?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
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"Wasn't everyone early 20's back then?"
Or there abouts. With a late '63 bday, I was 18-19 at the time.
Anyways, it sounds like a different Carol.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 15, 2009 - 06:46pm PT
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Though Russ, Cilley and I were there, on the recovery (I bailed) some details are hard to remember.
Carol Moyer,
It was '83 I think I was 27, and she was a few years younger. She was the first person I talked to when I landed in Josh that year and I was the last person to talk with her ( in native english, anyway) when I yelled up to her on that long downsloping pitch on the trip.
At the time of her death she drove a metallic tan '81/2 subaru hatchback ( that's what they towed) and lived at Tahoe.
She had been 'seeing; englishman, John Allen (?). She carried a bible, and was a fun person to talk, and climb, with.
RIP, Carol.
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The Fist
Trad climber
reno,nv
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May 20, 2013 - 01:02am PT
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I lived with Carol for a time in Tahoma on Tahoe's west shore. She was a little heavyset and had medium-length brown hair-- not long blond. She did have a habit of saying she could climb a little harder than she was able to. I did a 5.9 on black Wall with her. I think it was Rated X if that's a 5.9. She basically did the entry move into the crack and was dead weight the rest of the way-- it was very uncomfortable, though I don't wish to speak ill of the dead, it's just that what I knew of her I was surprised to hear that she'd been up on The Trip. She was a very sweet girl. Rest well Carol, I still think of you from time to time.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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May 20, 2013 - 01:36am PT
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i remember carol. rip
and yeah, we were all early 20s.
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duncan
climber
London, UK
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May 20, 2013 - 03:51am PT
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I shared a house with Carol, John and a couple of other flotsam over the winter of '81/'82. Various transients sofa-surfed; hello Greg! Carol was a lovely person and must have had the patience of a saint to put up with us. Christianity was important to her but she never attempted to proselytize this heathen. She was a good downhill skier, teaching at one of the local areas, and got me a job for the winter on the lifts at Homewood. Carol was not a particularly strong climber when I knew her but reportedly got in good shape in 1983 before attempting El Cap. It was a shock to hear about her death. Always tie-in short folks.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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May 20, 2013 - 11:05am PT
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Two different Carols.
The Chevy Nova Carol was a Carol Williams, if memory serves. She camped in the Nova, could sleep on the back seat, hung out in Tuolumne Meadows for the duration. She was fun to hang out with. Haven't seen her since the mid-80s.
No idea what she's up to now.....
"Always tie-in short folks"
I thought Carol Moyer died on the long, free jumar, when the rope frayed and eventually cut on an edge just below the anchor? They moved the bolts down after the this. I may have this wrong though?
EDIT: There may have been two deaths on the Trip. One cleaning sideways on jumars while not clipped in directly to the rope, the other, earlier, jumaring the first three pitches on a long fixed, free-hanging rope, that was cut on an edge?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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May 20, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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The cut rope while Jugging was Chris Robbins on the edge you describe.
Carol was the one who was not tied into the end of her rope and the Jumars popped off on the down -sloping traverse. I was told she also did the Leaning Tower without ever tying into the end of the rope. Odd style that eventually cost her her life. She was with a Yugo guy I believe on the Trip, who was a friend of Lydjias.(sp)
As an aside: After the "rescue" we set up the same rope situation on the ground using trees and whatnot and could repeat the "accident" with regularity. Bad luck and a funky scenario where the lead Jumar hangs on a near horizontal tight rope like a hook makes it all happen. When you go to lower out or release the lower Jumar, the drop in tension makes the lead Jumar pop off.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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May 20, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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whatever happened to that small safety device backup known as the prussik?
It was replaced by tying into the end of the f*#king rope
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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May 20, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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Thanks coz and Russ for your corrections.
Yes, I remember now there were two separate Trip accidents.
As a result of the cut-rope accident, the bolts were moved down to below the edge in question. After the jumaring sideways accident, it became a mantra, a big deal, to make sure you were tied in short while jumaring/cleaning.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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May 20, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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Hey you wankers ....
LISTEN TO RUSS!
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Ghoulwe
Trad climber
Spokane, WA
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May 20, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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Wow, this thread took me back a few years…
Carol and I dated for 6 or 8 months back around 1981. We were fresh off of broken marriages and it was a short-lived relationship of convenience that proved ultimately incompatible, but was fun for each of us at the time. Carol (Catton) Moyer had moved to Donner Summit several years earlier to teach and work at Ski areas. She taught Skiing at Boreal Ridge during the winter and was briefly married to Baxter Moyer of Soda Springs – which is how I originally met her.
After we both broke with our spouses, she and I spent a half a year climbing together with numerous trips to the Valley and the Meadows. She was a 5.7 climber but was improving quickly, and was a fun and adventurous belay partner. She had a great sense of humor and a little dog named Paki that she carted around everywhere she went. Carol wasn’t overtly practicing religion at the time, but when I ran into her on occasions later, it seemed an overriding force in her life. Sometime later, after having moved to San Diego, I heard about her death through a mutual friend.
During a move into my own apartment in the late ‘80’s, I dug out an old answering machine and listened to some recorded messages that had never been erased from before my move to San Diego. There was Carol’s voice saying she was running a little bit late, but would be over soon. I had shivers down my back and didn’t know what to do with the recording. I saved it for awhile and later erased it.
R.I.P. Carol.
Eric Barrett
Spokane WA
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Cancer Boy
Trad climber
Freedonia
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May 20, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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I don't just tie in to the end of the rope, but I pull up some slack behind me, tie a figure 8, and clip that into a spring loaded locking biner. Maybe every 30 feet. Doesn't add more than 5-10 minutes to cleaning a pitch. Tieing only into the end is kinda dumb, IMHO. I don't fancy my chances with 200 foot falls.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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May 20, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
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There you go, the very best of McTopo.
Fat Dad has a passing thought, and all of a sudden all of Carol's friends and boyfriends chime in. Very cool to read of an old friend who died so tragically.
Was she hot? {wink}
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
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PTPP, got to love the Taco...a random thought from three and a half years ago!
How exactly did this thread resurface? I have the image of this forum as a glacier that churns stuff up every several years or so.
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MR D
Mountain climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 11:06am PT
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Hello to all, I am Carol's youngest brother Duane. I believe the accident was in 83 and yes she drove a Suburu as mentioned in the blog. As everyone said Carol was an awesome person, generous and loving. Whenever I was in need she was there for me, so her loss has been a tough one for me because she was an important person in my life. She loved nature and so moved up to Tahoe after graduating from UC Davis. In the winter she taught skiing and in the summer she worked in restaurants.Thanks for all the kind words
Duane Catton
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Aug 26, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
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I remember meeting Carol Moyer in the Valley so long ago and recall a very sweet person.
Wondered now and then what became of her like so many from back then and just happened on this thread.
How terribly sad.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Aug 27, 2018 - 12:26am PT
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She was great.... rope was not severed. I remember the whole event as if it happened only hours ago, from Walt telling me at the Deli to the entire recovery and later analysis.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Aug 27, 2018 - 01:07am PT
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That is how I met Walt for the first time. I was hanging out and climbing in Joshua Tree on my own one winter, Walt somehow heard that I was an engineer, and came over to my camp with his HP programmable calculator to discuss the physics of her fall. He wanted to make with a precise calculation of her speed at impact, and we worked on the problem for many hours into the night, eventually programming the differential equation into his calculator. At first it seemed a bit morbid to me, but then I realized it was an obsession of Walt’s to figure it out objectively.
It was this problem, with the inclusion of drag.
https://physics.csuchico.edu/kagan/204A/lecturenotes/Section15.pdf
We started climbing together the next day. For some reason I thought it was 1981, but according to this thread it must have been later. I moved to Yosemite in January 1984, and it was definitely before that, I thought at least a year or two before.
Carol’s accident was tragic and definitely made our generation much more aware of the risks.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Aug 27, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
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Russ and John,
Thanks for filling in more of the story about Carol.
Some bad Ju Ju in that overhang before the fifth pitch of The Trip.
A friend and I had our own amateur epic retreating there, losing a haul bag and burning the sh#t out of Walter Rosenthal’s fixed ropes.
Walter was so cool about the whole thing and I was ready to sell all my gear and quit climbing.
I think I first met Walt Shipley in Josh in 81-82.
Ditto for Cozzy and The Colonel.
Walt was looking for some recommends for routes to third class to in the RHV and I recommended In The Pit, Clean and Jerk and a couple other moderates.
I check in later that morning and he’s totally committed and searching for jams on Semi Tough.
Classic Shipley.
It would be great if someone had a picture of Carol Moyer to post here.
RIP
PB
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Aug 27, 2018 - 12:32pm PT
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Was the second Carol Caryl S. Williams from Arizona? We climbed together in 83 in Tuolumne with a group from Orange County. She was a solid climber.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
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To the OP:
https://m.facebook.com/caryl.williams.54
The above Facebook member lives in AZ and is about the right age - if 1954 is her birth year, she's 64.
Hope you can connect after all these years!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
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the lead Jumar hangs on a near horizontal tight rope like a hook makes it all happen. When you go to lower out or release the lower Jumar, the drop in tension makes the lead Jumar pop off.
Another endorsement for using a jug and a Gri-Gri for cleaning pitches. A second jumar is sometimes handy for maneuvering around pieces on an awkward traverse. I put a prusik/klemheist knot above the jug, because Royal Robbins said to do that in his book. Robbins also said to put the rope through the upper jumar's (locking!) carabiner.
You can never have enough back-up, when you're up there and you're seriously snail-eyed.
Tying figure-eights and clipping them to yourself with a big locker has the added benefit of not having one big, giant loop swaying in the breeze, catching on flakes and sticking in cracks.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2018 - 05:47pm PT
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That sounds too old. I was in my late teens at the time and she seemed to be about the same age as the OC crowd I hung out with (Andre Olibri, Bob Critchfield, Bob Cox, Eric Held). Though now that you mention it the last time I saw her was out at Josh and she was climbing with Bobbi Bensmen, who was originally from that neck of the woods. I remember because they were climbing topless (in a kind of out of the way location and back in the day when the place wasn't swarmed and you could get away with something like that).
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Aug 27, 2018 - 06:25pm PT
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If I remember right she was about finishing college in 1983. The FB pictures look right so I'll send a friend request--Thanks
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Aug 28, 2018 - 06:14am PT
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A nice gal!
she worked at basecamp an outdoor store in Tahoe City
I went climbing with her at Donner summit a
Few times
it was quite a shock when she passed
RIP Carol
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