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Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 15, 2009 - 05:48pm PT
I don't know why I'm thinking of this after all these years, but does anyone whatever happened to Carol "Aldo Nova" who climbed alot at Josh in the early-mid 80s. She drove a Nova, hence the Aldo Nova nickname.

I used to see her around alot then nothing. I always heard that the woman who died jugging on Tangerine Trip was also named Carol. Not the same person, was it (I hope)?

Just one of those random thoughts that popped up out of nowhere.
Gene

Social climber
Oct 15, 2009 - 05:53pm PT
Carol Moyer
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Oct 15, 2009 - 06:05pm PT
That Trip accident was probably in '82 or '83.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2009 - 06:06pm PT
Thanks for the quick reply. Any idea whether it's the same Carol? Sorry, never knew her last name. Early twenties, long blond hair, kind of a thicker build.

Edit: the early 80s date is what made me think of it. Plus, I learned her name was Carol when hiking thru that little forest at the base with Nabolsi. He just said it Carol, like I'd know who it was. He said he'd always get a little spooked hiking thru there because of it.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Oct 15, 2009 - 06:08pm PT
Probably not her. No long blond hair on Carol Moyer. Wasn't everyone early 20's back then?
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
"Wasn't everyone early 20's back then?"

Or there abouts. With a late '63 bday, I was 18-19 at the time.

Anyways, it sounds like a different Carol.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 15, 2009 - 06:46pm PT
Though Russ, Cilley and I were there, on the recovery (I bailed) some details are hard to remember.

Carol Moyer,

It was '83 I think I was 27, and she was a few years younger. She was the first person I talked to when I landed in Josh that year and I was the last person to talk with her ( in native english, anyway) when I yelled up to her on that long downsloping pitch on the trip.

At the time of her death she drove a metallic tan '81/2 subaru hatchback ( that's what they towed) and lived at Tahoe.
She had been 'seeing; englishman, John Allen (?). She carried a bible, and was a fun person to talk, and climb, with.

RIP, Carol.


The Fist

Trad climber
reno,nv
May 20, 2013 - 01:02am PT
I lived with Carol for a time in Tahoma on Tahoe's west shore. She was a little heavyset and had medium-length brown hair-- not long blond. She did have a habit of saying she could climb a little harder than she was able to. I did a 5.9 on black Wall with her. I think it was Rated X if that's a 5.9. She basically did the entry move into the crack and was dead weight the rest of the way-- it was very uncomfortable, though I don't wish to speak ill of the dead, it's just that what I knew of her I was surprised to hear that she'd been up on The Trip. She was a very sweet girl. Rest well Carol, I still think of you from time to time.
klk

Trad climber
cali
May 20, 2013 - 01:36am PT
i remember carol. rip

and yeah, we were all early 20s.
duncan

climber
London, UK
May 20, 2013 - 03:51am PT
I shared a house with Carol, John and a couple of other flotsam over the winter of '81/'82. Various transients sofa-surfed; hello Greg! Carol was a lovely person and must have had the patience of a saint to put up with us. Christianity was important to her but she never attempted to proselytize this heathen. She was a good downhill skier, teaching at one of the local areas, and got me a job for the winter on the lifts at Homewood. Carol was not a particularly strong climber when I knew her but reportedly got in good shape in 1983 before attempting El Cap. It was a shock to hear about her death. Always tie-in short folks.




crunch

Social climber
CO
May 20, 2013 - 11:05am PT
Two different Carols.

The Chevy Nova Carol was a Carol Williams, if memory serves. She camped in the Nova, could sleep on the back seat, hung out in Tuolumne Meadows for the duration. She was fun to hang out with. Haven't seen her since the mid-80s.

No idea what she's up to now.....

"Always tie-in short folks"

I thought Carol Moyer died on the long, free jumar, when the rope frayed and eventually cut on an edge just below the anchor? They moved the bolts down after the this. I may have this wrong though?

EDIT: There may have been two deaths on the Trip. One cleaning sideways on jumars while not clipped in directly to the rope, the other, earlier, jumaring the first three pitches on a long fixed, free-hanging rope, that was cut on an edge?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
May 20, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
The cut rope while Jugging was Chris Robbins on the edge you describe.

Carol was the one who was not tied into the end of her rope and the Jumars popped off on the down -sloping traverse. I was told she also did the Leaning Tower without ever tying into the end of the rope. Odd style that eventually cost her her life. She was with a Yugo guy I believe on the Trip, who was a friend of Lydjias.(sp)

As an aside: After the "rescue" we set up the same rope situation on the ground using trees and whatnot and could repeat the "accident" with regularity. Bad luck and a funky scenario where the lead Jumar hangs on a near horizontal tight rope like a hook makes it all happen. When you go to lower out or release the lower Jumar, the drop in tension makes the lead Jumar pop off.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
whatever happened to that small safety device backup known as the prussik?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
May 20, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
whatever happened to that small safety device backup known as the prussik?

It was replaced by tying into the end of the f*#king rope
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 20, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Thanks coz and Russ for your corrections.

Yes, I remember now there were two separate Trip accidents.

As a result of the cut-rope accident, the bolts were moved down to below the edge in question. After the jumaring sideways accident, it became a mantra, a big deal, to make sure you were tied in short while jumaring/cleaning.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Hey you wankers ....

LISTEN TO RUSS!
Ghoulwe

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
May 20, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Wow, this thread took me back a few years…

Carol and I dated for 6 or 8 months back around 1981. We were fresh off of broken marriages and it was a short-lived relationship of convenience that proved ultimately incompatible, but was fun for each of us at the time. Carol (Catton) Moyer had moved to Donner Summit several years earlier to teach and work at Ski areas. She taught Skiing at Boreal Ridge during the winter and was briefly married to Baxter Moyer of Soda Springs – which is how I originally met her.

After we both broke with our spouses, she and I spent a half a year climbing together with numerous trips to the Valley and the Meadows. She was a 5.7 climber but was improving quickly, and was a fun and adventurous belay partner. She had a great sense of humor and a little dog named Paki that she carted around everywhere she went. Carol wasn’t overtly practicing religion at the time, but when I ran into her on occasions later, it seemed an overriding force in her life. Sometime later, after having moved to San Diego, I heard about her death through a mutual friend.

During a move into my own apartment in the late ‘80’s, I dug out an old answering machine and listened to some recorded messages that had never been erased from before my move to San Diego. There was Carol’s voice saying she was running a little bit late, but would be over soon. I had shivers down my back and didn’t know what to do with the recording. I saved it for awhile and later erased it.

R.I.P. Carol.


Eric Barrett
Spokane WA
Cancer Boy

Trad climber
Freedonia
May 20, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
I don't just tie in to the end of the rope, but I pull up some slack behind me, tie a figure 8, and clip that into a spring loaded locking biner. Maybe every 30 feet. Doesn't add more than 5-10 minutes to cleaning a pitch. Tieing only into the end is kinda dumb, IMHO. I don't fancy my chances with 200 foot falls.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
There you go, the very best of McTopo.

Fat Dad has a passing thought, and all of a sudden all of Carol's friends and boyfriends chime in. Very cool to read of an old friend who died so tragically.

Was she hot? {wink}

Chim-Chim

climber
May 20, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Russ, tying into the end of the rope may keep you off the deck, what about tying off short, that could help huh?
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