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wack-N-dangle

Gym climber
the ground up
Oct 2, 2009 - 09:42am PT
Dingus
I'm not necessarily lining up on your side. Still, I liked your new moniker. Want to meet for some tomato soup brew? Finally, thanks to those working to promote tolerance, peace, and to protect our liberties.

Mrtropy- my brother mentioned Lodi was written, in part, because of the way their drummer was treated. Any truth to the rumor.
wack-N-dangle

Gym climber
the ground up
Oct 2, 2009 - 10:20am PT
DMT

Point taken. Tech tip: Ketchup packets for alpine ascents. If you bring the russians, you might be able to make a bloody mary too.

cheers
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2009 - 10:56am PT
Not sure about the drummer story but John Fogerty played here last year or maybe was was CCR with a different singer I forget which but someone told the story. They were just stuck over night. I will ask around.

And the song was written about this Lodi- they were small at the time and playing out of Marin county or Santa Rosa. They were still playing high school and local dances.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 2, 2009 - 11:01am PT
"The establishment clause gives you the freedom OF religion. It most certainly DOES NOT give you the right to freedom FROM religion or religious expressions."

"Supreme Court since 1947
The phrase "separation of church and state" became a definitive part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S. (1879), where the court examined Jefferson's involvement with the amendment and concluded that his interpretation was "almost an authoritative declaration" of its meaning."


"In 1962, the Supreme Court extended this analysis to the issue of prayer and religious readings in public schools. In Engel v. Vitale 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the Court determined it unconstitutional by a vote of 6-1 for state officials to compose an official school prayer and require its recitation in public schools, even when it is non-denominational and students may excuse themselves from participation. As such, any teacher, faculty, or student can pray in school, in accordance with their own religion. However, they may not lead such prayers in class, or in other "official" school settings such as assemblies or programs, including even "non-sectarian" teacher-led prayers, e.g. "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country," which was part of the prayer required by the New York State Board of Regents prior to the Court's decision. As the Court stated:

The petitioners contend, among other things, that the state laws requiring or permitting use of the Regents' prayer must be struck down as a violation of the Establishment Clause because that prayer was composed by governmental officials as a part of a governmental program to further religious beliefs. For this reason, petitioners argue, the State's use of the Regents' prayer in its public school system breaches the constitutional wall of separation between Church and State. We agree with that contention, since we think that the constitutional prohibition against laws respecting an establishment of religion must at least mean that, in this country, it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government."

"The court noted that it "is a matter of history that this very practice of establishing governmentally composed prayers for religious services was one of the reasons which caused many of our early colonists to leave England and seek religious freedom in America."[37]

Currently, the Supreme Court applies a three-pronged test to determine whether legislation comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the "Lemon Test". First, the legislature must have adopted the law with a neutral or non-religious purpose. Second, the statute's principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion. Third, the statute must not result in an excessive entanglement of government with religion"

Do we have freedom from religion? We certainly have freedom from YOUR religion!

Homer

Mountain climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Oct 3, 2009 - 09:59pm PT
I like the message "Seperate Church and State" - it's a good honest opinion about a tough issue. But "(fill in the blank) go home" - could that be a veiled message of love/kindness/tolerance, or does it reflect the same human tendency to judge and condemn people who think differently than we do (that you may believe the christians preach)?
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2009 - 11:17am PT

If you "truly" know what the average person in Lodi you know what will happen. If the City council followed the old law/rule in the first place none of this would have come out.

Now I am unstuck and out of this town and heading up to the hills. Going to be camping with the city attorney,should be interesting to see what he has to say.

Cheers
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 4, 2009 - 11:22am PT
I can't believe that's the biggest problem in your town, a prayer at the city council meeting.

Must be nice to be all squared-away except for one thing.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
Hey Chaz, My daughter and I and her friend made the L A Times on line, not sure about the hard copy but on line. We are on the second Photo.
JoeSimo

Trad climber
New York
Oct 8, 2009 - 04:28pm PT
Free thinking, intelligent children that also rock climb... and here I thought the future was lost. You have restored my hope in the next generation...
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 8, 2009 - 04:32pm PT
Covered by recent MSM articles:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/us/02lodi.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=lodi&st=cse
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/07/us/AP-US-REL-Religion-Briefs.html?scp=3&sq=lodi&st=cse (scroll down)

Creedence Clearwater Revival was from El Cerrito - you'd think from their music they were from Mississippi or Alabama or some such.
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