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raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 11:27am PT
As are ALL the others. Every last one of em.

No you posted a figure that showed that all mainstream predictions except one from 79 where pretty accurate while the predictions from "sceptics" where pretty bad. Sad that you don't even know what you post.
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 11:34am PT

Just an addition to my claim that ALL the modelling is inaccurate. ALL.

A model can be good even though it doesn't predict accurately with 5 decimals.

Do you know that it exist no model of for example an airplane that is good enough to predict the behavior of the airplane completely accurate but that we anyway can model and understand airplane behavior good enough to build and operate them?


But you of course need to redirect that reality to something far more obscure. Consistent with the tactics. Consistent.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean with that.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 30, 2013 - 11:37am PT
And a big round of applause to the Chief who patiently brings to our attention the reality of observations vz the fiction of the models.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Definition of ANIMAL
1: any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things including many-celled organisms and often many of the single-celled ones (as protozoans) that typically differ from plants in having cells without cellulose walls, in lacking chlorophyll and the capacity for photosynthesis, in requiring more complex food materials (as proteins), in being organized to a greater degree of complexity, and in having the capacity for spontaneous movement and rapid motor responses to stimulation

Looks like the protozoan is considered an animal.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 30, 2013 - 11:44am PT

the skeptics show a piss poor fit to the data
the scientists show a good fit to the data



http://www.skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 30, 2013 - 11:45am PT
guess i should have specified actual living creature- animal type life, not organisms fossilized.;-)

A living creature huh? Whatever dude.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 11:51am PT
JeeeezerRice. Got like three or four of you yabbering on about protozoans and organisms. I was asking for something you can walk, pet, or watch swimming about in the aquarium.. Said that right after the original post.

Let me know the next time you walk your protozoan , a tr would be great!
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 11:52am PT

And a big round of applause to the Chief who patiently brings to our attention the reality of observations vz the fiction of the models.

I really cant understand how he does that when he show figures that show that the models are pretty accurate. How accurate need a model be so that you do not call it a fiction model? A prediction error of less than 10^-20 degrees?

It is like Ron show a figure that show that the ice cover is shrinking when he at the same time say that the ice cover is not shrinking.

I really can't understand the logic that the "sceptics" in this thread use.

The Chief's last figure is interesting when it seems to suggest that a periodic model is better at predicting the temperature than the mainstream models by showing a plot from the last 10 years when it is obvious that the same periodic model would fail completely before the start of that time window.

But I guess that the prediction power of a model that predicts what you want to hear is proved after comparing its prediction after a time interval of maybe a year or two but that the prediction power of models that you do not liked is disproved if the error is larger than 10-5 after a prediction time of 30 years.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Hey Ray,, for the same reasons rain forest sceintists say 50K species will dissapear from the globe due to GW, but they DONT KNOW what those species are because they havent found them yet.


For the same reason they say there is warming when temps have been flat lined for quite a while.


For the same reason that the polar bears have been artificially declared endangered. Etc etc.
raymond phule

climber
May 30, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
?????????
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Jennie I believe the earth began when Joseph Smith was struck with a blinding light and awoke with a set of golden plates a new "prophet"...seriously I can't stand mormons and find it hard to discuss ANYTHING with one...SORRY.

Earth is 4.6 billion years old (give or take a hundred million years) based on radiometric age dating.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
I was asking for something you can walk, pet, or watch swimming about in the aquarium.. Said that right after the original post.

Here's your redefinition of your original "life form" post:
guess i should have specified actual living creature- animal type life, not organisms fossilized.;-)

Don't see any mention of multicellular. Be specific and you won't have to read our criticisms.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
THE CHIEF IS A HYPOCRIT!!!

HIS SILENCE TO MY PROOF OF IT IS DEAFENING!!

HE LOVES AND TRUSTS SCIENCE JUST AS MUCH AS HE LIKES TO ARGUE!!

RON 2!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Skept,, i thought an example such as the tadpole shrimp would define the meaning.;-)




Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 30, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
...seriously I can't stand mormons and find it hard to discuss ANYTHING with one...SORRY.

I didn't pose the question as adversarial, mountainlion.

...but my sympathetic apologies, anyway. I'll honor the walls of your tender refuge.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 30, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
For all of the grief you get on this forum, I'd think you'd know the results of that type of logic by now...
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 30, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Oldest and still living life form: Cyanobacteria

No way, Skeptimistic.









Credit: crunch

Not while Fred still stalks the Earth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 30, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^;-)



Yeah Skept, ignoring the actual example provided in lieu of semantics angles,, i SHUD be used to that.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 30, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/state_of_flux#Icemelt_Colorado.jpg

Did somebody win yet?

Credit: wilbeer


Nasa a day keeps the deniers away. Big oil is in the pockets of every gov.agency,yet they just cant get to those greedy scientists.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 30, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
EVERYBODY should check out the climate change and the wild places you love thread!! First hand accounts, stories, and pics---obviously not funded by big oil!!
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