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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 29, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
^^^ I expect you laughed out loud.

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 29, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Forgive me Chiloe for having absolutely zero faith in any cherry picked data you or your compatriots you care to post

OK, you don't know what "cherry picked" means, and don't believe that nonsense from actual scientists unless it fits your politics. My question is, who do you believe? Who feeds you these talking points, that you're so eager to believe and repeat here -- no matter how false or stupid?

I saw you with your ice core a while back. You have a vested interest in endless climate change studies since your in that industry.

I guess now you're trying to think for yourself, but WTF are you talking about? What do you think you saw me with, and what do you imagine you can deduce from that?

The Antarctic ice mass is increasing, there is no doubt about that,

Really, there is no doubt about that? Who feeds you this stuff???

and at the end of the melt season Arctic sea ice will be seen to have recovered substantially from recent lows.

My own guess is that it will be low although not a new record. But we'll see. It's been a cold stormy summer so far, not much top-melting, but even so the ice is broken up and thin, with little multiyear ice remaining, and the 3rd-lowest volume for this date. How extent ends up in September depends heavily on the weather now.

There has been many times in recorded history that arctic sea ice extent was lower than 2012-a historical fact you guys choose to ignore.

Exactly when in recorded history did this historical fact happen? How do you know? Which guys are ignoring it? Who feeds you this stuff?

Recuse yourself buddy and quietly look for another line of work before you go down with the rat infested ship.

You've built yourself an imagined reality and are confusing it with real people.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 29, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Ron my grandfather was a bio-agriculture teacher in addition to farming and could walk a forest (midwest forest) and tell you what each tree species was...he had a wood shop where he taught me woodworking and we found a burr oak tree that I used to build a roll top desk for my senior project in high school...always have loved the forest and nature...

I saw pictures of Idyllwild around Tahquitz from 100 years ago and it is amazing how few trees there were in comparison to today!! I have read lots about the bark beetle and the amount of water each tree needs to produce enough sap to fend off predators like the bark beetle...fires are necessary as are people willing to clear forests...the problem lies with cutting old growth trees wich are so large that people actually LOVE them...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 29, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
I don't watch reality tv, but I get the gist of it. People are on the shows because they will look stupid and create drama. And laughs too.

This thread fits the bill. I enjoy laughing at Rick, Ron, and that f*#king blowhard The Chief, it's good entertainment.

Thanks for the laughs fellas, they're all at your expense, and you think you're the stars.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 29, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Where does rick get his facts ask the desperate warmists. Well for Alaska's distict cooling, apparently the news is all over the planet except california i guess.Try the London paper linked below.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article/2256188/What-global-warming-alaska-is-headed-ice-

As for Antarctic ice mass increase-link into the nasa site below then type into search Mass Gains of the Antarctic and up will pop an interesting article by Zwally based on the Icesat satellite data as presentes at SCAR ISMASS Workshop in July 2012.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20120013495
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 29, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Excuse me folks my link to the london paper didn't work so here is the story from Ak. in link below.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/forget-global-warming-alaska-headed-ice-age
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jun 29, 2013 - 10:35pm PT

I would have guessed after 11,000 posts you would have squared away the difference between weather and climate.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 29, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
What's pretty funny is that same article says that the last decade in Barrow saw 3.1 degrees of warming with the trend continuing. Farther north records for warming are being set! That sounds f*#ked up because it is. It's called Arctic Vortex collapse ( not mentioned in the article but they do mention the Arctic warming ) and is being pushed by the warming of Icecap. The lowdown is that Rick can't be more wrong about what is happening.

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/future/warm_arctic_cold_continent.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 30, 2013 - 01:15am PT
By a million Londoners daily Ed. Sort of like the English equivalent of The National Enquirer-where all the real news first appears.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 30, 2013 - 01:27am PT
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Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Jun 30, 2013 - 03:32am PT
CE, I don't see any of those policy proposals, intended to diminish humanity's massive addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, anywhere on that list of scams on your link . . . But to err is human.

As far as large-scale scams go, you might consider studying up on economic externalities; you could start by watching this film:


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(film)
raymond phule

climber
Jun 30, 2013 - 03:48am PT
Didn't daily mail also write an article about Wool Stick fighting on Everest?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 30, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Where does rick get his facts ask the desperate warmists.

Hah, the desperate warmists did not ask that. Rick's desperate warmists, like Chief's men in white coats, dance only in his fevered imagination.

He might imagine that he's talking about me, although I'm neither desperate nor warmist -- and I didn't ask about his sources. I asked who is feeding those sources and talking points to him. I know about Zwally and many other papers. Who pointed Rick to Zwally and said "Look here, you'll like this one!" Who gives him those talking points he's so eager to believe, then rush back here and repeat?

Although some of his puffery, like "there is no doubt about that," is so incoherent or clueless I'm guessing he makes it up by himself -- not even his talking-point providers said that?

Rick Summers:

The Antarctic ice mass is increasing, there is no doubt about that


Shepard and 46 others (including Zwally) in Science, November 2012:

We combined an ensemble of satellite altimetry, interferometry, and gravimetry data sets using common geographical regions, time intervals, and models of surface mass balance and glacial isostatic adjustment to estimate the mass balance of Earth’s polar ice sheets. We find that there is good agreement between different satellite methods—especially in Greenland and West Antarctica—and that combining satellite data sets leads to greater certainty. Between 1992 and 2011, the ice sheets of Greenland, East Antarctica, West Antarctica, and the Antarctic Peninsula changed in mass by –142 ± 49, +14 ± 43, –65 ± 26, and –20 ± 14 gigatonnes year−1, respectively. Since 1992, the polar ice sheets have contributed, on average, 0.59 ± 0.20 millimeter year−1 to the rate of global sea-level rise.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183.short
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Rick's "scientific" article from The Alaska Dispatch starts with, "Defiant as ever, the state that gave rise to Sarah Palin is bucking the mainstream yet again: ..."

The Dispatch??

Yes Rick, we can all put our money behind that article.



Come on, stop cherry-picking the articles you believe and look at something with merit.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 30, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Ok i have another question this am. There has been detected minuscule rises in the oceans. ALL of this of course blamed on CC or GW or whatever they refer to it today as.

Then i watched a program that spoke of oceanic volcano activities and the swelling of under water land masses.

See where this is going?





If land masses are GROWING in the oceans floors, that water is DISPLACED. It has to go somewhere right? And where would that be?


Answer: UP in levels....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
"....i watched a program..."


Compassion....tolerance.....compassion.....tolerance....

I'm trying so hard right now.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
it was the NOVA special dingus posted yesterday.

They were quite specific in that section. Satellites can now record with in 1/2" of accuracy the oceans bottoms no matter now deep. They have observed these GROWING mountains below the surface. This is not conjecture, opinion or anything else. It is simple physics. Take a glass of water that is full to the brim, and drop a golf ball in it. The level WILL overflow the glass. That is known a displacement. Are u telling me oceanic volcanoes DONT displace water?
raymond phule

climber
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Why don't you try to find som informations about the quantitive effect of those two phenomena if you are interested? It is not like you are going to care about any answer anyway.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
By the way Plankton requires CO2 to reproduce.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 30, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
The temperature dropped to 58 degrees last night at my house. Obvious sign that the planet is not warming.
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