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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Ron! Consider this before responding:


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
ron said:

A man without so much as one college day decided to use the oil from the side of his nose to lube this vital o r-ing as his intuition and common sense told him THIS was the perfect solution. Not science. Science and scientists (of North American rockwell corp, palamino facility) had thus far failed. Yes, man went to the moon and back using key o rings lubed with human skin oil that held incredible pressure derived through common sense.

wow ron,

seriously, I have never read of this, and i thought I read everything on all the space flights

care to point me to a link from where you read this story about this man with hardly a high school education that wiped his nose and that was better lube than the world's best scientists?

link please?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Newsflash Blondehagbag.

EPA Calls Greenhouse Gases a Public Threat
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/epa-proposal-calls-greenhouse-gases-a-danger-to-the-public/

But that same agency turns a blind eye to the agency located directly next door and it's practices. Those practices directed by an individual who oversaw the designs and implementations throughout our Nations modern agricultural history by scientists that have been directly linked to 60% of all known cancers.

This dude is that Agencies Director.



Oh the hypocrisy!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Im SKEPTICAL about GW at this point. Not that there hasnt been warming, not that there has been a flat line in it. Obvious is obvious. But,, the correlations of CO2 factors and all the others and thier effects on temps are what im skeptical about.

I KNOW with some certainty that all levels of atmosphere have changed many times in the past sometimes rapidly and drastically and even the reasons are theories. I know my own states ancient history of being an inland sea bu the fossils left behind. I know that it has been far drier here as tahoe has OLD growth tree stumps 600 feet below its current surface.

Those are knowns. CHANGE will always occur is also a known. Species will come and go regardless of what man does if history is any indicator. We will never "stop" tornadoes either. With all the research into them, we still are as smart as my ancient Choctaw relatives when it comes to predictions.. Hmmmm cloudy today and getting DARK.. Could have tornadoes!

No chyt!


So yes science has done good things in the past. But so did politicians once upon a time. NOW money careers and much more non sense are created out of a blarney stone, and the poor men get poorer..

We dont have a commercial tannery in my state due to one reason.. The EPA DOES NOT believe the SCIENCe of acid neutralization and put such ridiculous restraints on disposals as to make tanning unprofitable. So here we have an agency of science telling science to eat poo and die. WHICH SCIENCE is right!???

Obviously the one that says baking soda will neutralize tanning acids to the ph of water. But the one creating the policies and laws says nyet.

Science,, stuck in the middle again,, here i am stuck in the middle with you!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Bingo RON!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Hypocrisy of it all. Across the board. All the way!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
WHICH SCIENCE is right!???



you are mixing up policy and science.

Policy is informed by science. to that extent policy may choose what science they prefer.


Which science do you prefer?

Why?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
rick and Ron and The Chief have opinions uninformed by the actual science
this is worth repeating
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Norton,, That man was George R. Anderson. My Pa. Final safety inspector for the lunar module engines for apollo 11. After the finalt test fire he stamped the exhaust nozzle collar with his sig and final safety seal. It up der onda moon. Youll not read that story in ANY aviation document and CERTAINLY not in official specs of the LM!!. And i have a whole book full of other stories throughout the mercury, gemini, apollo, and back to the bell x-1, reg 1 and 2 and x-15 days with a little OLDER grumman and chance-vought days in the mix..



edit: Bruce,, again, i prefer the common sense. Baking soda neutralizes tanning acids. Always has always will.
raymond phule

climber
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
The Chief has obviously encountered a melt down. Do anyone else believe that the reason for the melt down is that he actually understood at some level that SMB is not equal to TMB and that he thus where clearly wrong?

That it actually is his cognitive dissonance that make him change the subject all the time, posting irrelevant pics, attacking science in general unusually strongly even for him instead of actually admitting that he made a mistake about SMB and TMB?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 18, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Raymond, I am of the opinion that he is just plain batshit crazy


Ron - thanks again for weaseling out of answering the question, which wasn't hard to answer.


Answer: The science you should prefer is the best science as determined by science.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
More of the fine upstanding hypocritical GCC Science.




Because it is an international company, Monsanto is concerned about agriculture all over the world. Some parts of the world producing a lot of food right now for a lot of people concern Gustafson.

“America has a lot of adaptive capacity, lots of good productive soil and water,” he said. “But there are countries around the world where that is not the case, and some of those countries have huge populations to support. Parts of Africa and Asia have less adaptive capacity to deal with the issue of climate change.”

Gustafson says that farmers have already learned to use a lot less fossil fuel and non-organic fertilizers. He says that more and more farmers are preserving soil by planting cover crops to hold the soil in heavy rains, and tilling techniques that do less damage and expose less of the earth to erosion. He urges an even wider acceptance of those practices.

Monsanto thus joins a growing list of some of the country’s largest businesses in taking seriously the science of climate change and are changing their practices accordingly. In January 2007, the CEOs of ten of America’s largest corporations, including General Electric, DuPont, Alcoa and Caterpillar, urged Congress to pass legislation that would spur the growth the green technologies, and even demanded a cap-and-trade program on greenhouse gases.

I asked Dr. Gustafson if there was anything else. He said: “I’m just trying to be a good scientist. I’m just trying to be a good citizen.”
http://www.minnpost.com/environment/2012/02/monsanto-asks-its-scientists-if-global-warming-real

Dave Gustafson is a Senior Fellow at Monsanto Company, St Louis, MO, USA, where he serves as Environmental & Ag Policy Modeling Lead.

His academic training was at Stanford University, USA, and the University of Washington in Seattle, USA, where he received his B.S. and Ph.D. degrees, both in chemical engineering.

His research on the environmental challenges surrounding agricultural has now spanned nearly 30 years. The initial focus of his work was the development of new computer models for predicting the environmental behavior of crop chemicals, especially their potential impacts on water quality. Among the models he developed for this purpose is the GUS-Index, which is now used by regulatory agencies worldwide to determine the potential of pesticides to contaminate ground water supplies.


In subsequent years, Gustafson developed new modeling approaches to pollen-mediated gene flow and the population genetics of insect and weed resistance. In 2007, Gustafson served as an inaugural member and theme lead for the Monsanto Fellows Climate Change Panel, which reported back to the company on the degree of scientific certainty in global climate modeling, and how it is likely to impact agriculture around the world.

He now serves on various Monsanto teams looking at the new imperatives and constraints placed on agriculture by man-made global warming, hypoxia, and other environmental challenges.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Bruce Yes your right science long ago determined neutralization. a PROVEN time honored chemical equation. Just like the table of elements which i had memorized at age seven. But im no scientist as Ed so gracefully pointed out. However, the EPA says the science is kerputten.. So OBVIOUSLY there are foul measures at play behind the scenes that drive the epa and its policies. Even when it comes to "science"..


quite frankly,, im so stinkin GUN SHY on our gummbint and its doings that i tend NOT to believe ANYTHING they are "backing" to begin with!...
dirtbag

climber
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Yes it is much preferable to have math- ignorant doofuses (doofi?) like Chafe figure things out.

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
So OBVIOUSLY there are foul measures at play behind the scenes that drive the epa and its policies. Even when it comes to "science".

It is called money, politics and greed.

FDA = Monsanto.

Monsanto = Money

Monsanto = EPA/AGW = Figure it out.


To even allow a Corporation such as Monsanto into your MIX of Science. That just throws any credibility this AGW/GCC ever had right out the frkn door.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
^^^^^That of course must be last nights video of yourself and MTNLN???Nice^^^^^
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
Im SKEPTICAL about GW at this point. Not that there hasnt been warming, not that there has been a flat line in it. Obvious is obvious. But,, the correlations of CO2 factors and all the others and thier effects on temps are what im skeptical about.

That's unfortunate, because the "greenhouse effect" has been well know for at least 100 years.

You are not skeptical that there has been warming, right? Because "Obvious is obvious."

You know the CO2 has increased by 40%, right? That is easily measured.

You understand the simple experiment illustrated in this video, right? That increasing the CO2 in a volume of air results in increased temperatures...


And you still question the connection between the increased CO2 and the increased temperature (both of which you agree have increased)?

That is sad.
raymond phule

climber
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
One thing I find fascinating in the the chiefs posts is that he doesn't see any problems at all with products that have a bad impact on the environment "by mistake", like cars, burning fossil fuels. We shouldn't try to limit the use of those products but products that in same way try to change the environment is considered extremely bad.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 18, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
ah

thanks Ron

no wonder I could not find anything about that high school guy who wiped his noise and lubricated the shuttle's O ring seals to make damn sure they would not leak

and of course he had good old "common sense"

as compared to those highly educated PHD's in Physics who took that guys word for the nose lube

and of course there is NO information about this anywhere

because, wait for it,.....you knew a guy who told that story


is that the same guy who told you that one of the Newtown massacre children came back from dead?
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