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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Current anomaly---- 36 degrees here at moundhouse this am...Thirty-six F that is..Even Sally-O's methane release of yesterday did nothing to "warm" the atmosphere round here..
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:00am PT
see if we can determine how an "honest" denier rates credibility.

Rates pretty high actually. At least in the eyes of most people on planet earth according to this....

http://www.myworld2015.org/index.html?page=results

Cage fight? Please. More like some of the AGW flock attempting to be badasses on the net.

An Interesting read on how this Carbon Fund (ETS) is a total failure in the EU. Down it goes.

Carbon trading Below junk status

EUROPE’S flagship environmental policy has just been holed below the water line. On April 16th the European Parliament voted by 334 to 315 to reject proposals which (its supporters claimed) were needed to save the emissions-trading system (ETS) from collapse. Carbon prices promptly fell 40% (see chart). Some environmentalists fear that the whole edifice of European climate policy could start to crumble.

The ETS has long been troubled. The scheme is the world’s biggest carbon market, trading allowances to produce carbon which cover about half the European Union’s total carbon emissions. Partly because of weak industrial demand and partly because the EU gave away too many allowances to pollute in the first place, there is massive oversupply in the carbon-emissions market. Prices fell from €20 a tonne in 2011 to just €5 a tonne in February 2013. The European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, therefore hatched a plan to take about 900m tonnes of carbon allowances off the market now and reintroduce them in about five years time when, it was hoped, demand would be stronger (“backloading” in the jargon). This was the proposal the European Parliament turned down.

The rejection was a surprise. The parliament’s environment committee had looked at the plan in February and approved it by a surprisingly wide margin of 38 votes to 25.

As expected, most members of the largest political alliance, the centre-right European People’s Party, voted against the proposal. This was needed, they argued, to protect consumers from higher energy bills. What came as a surprise is the fact that all but four British conservative members of the European Parliament also voted against the plan. In doing so they defied their own government, which has introduced a carbon floor price in Britain that could soon be higher than the European carbon price. And the European Socialists, which had been expected mostly to back the proposals, instead split, with 44 in favour of the plan and 31 against.

In theory the proposal is not quite dead. In a fit of back-pedalling after the vote, the MEPs decided to send the issue back to the environment committee. From there it could come back to the full parliament again. Or the European Commission could come up with a bunch of new proposals. The EU sometimes works by creating a crisis and then stumbling through it—witness the euro crisis, passim. The trouble is that neither the parliamentary committee nor the commission can do anything much unless significant numbers of MEPs change their minds. The parliamentary vote was exceptionally well attended—a measure of its importance—and there were few wavering MEPs.

The real question now is whether the scuppering of the ETS will lead to the dismantling of the EU’s climate policies more generally. European greens and supporters of the ETS hope that it will not. They point out that a combination of special influences was at work in the parliamentary vote which may not be repeated (such as Angela Merkel’s refusal to take a position on ETS reform for domestic reasons). Many European environmental policies are set at national level (subsidies for renewable energy, for example) and a vote on the ETS should not change national opinions.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/04/carbon-trading
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:14am PT

Speaking of the powerful argument of using local weather to conclude world wide weather trends:


On Monday afternoon, the small Alaska town of Talkeetna hit an all-time high temperature of 96 degrees F (35.5 C.) The entire state is recording temperatures unprecedented in history, with half the state recording high temperatures 25 degrees F over typical high temps for this time of the year.

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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:22am PT
IN VALDEZ . . . THE DAILY HIGH TEMPERATURE RECORD OF 75 DEGREES SET IN 1997 WAS SHATTERED WHEN . . . AT 45 MINUTES AFTER 3 PM...THE MERCURY IN OUR THERMOMETER SHOT UP TO 90 DEGREES. AFTER A BRIEF DIP BACK INTO THE UPPER 80S . . . THE MERCURY AGAIN REGISTERED 90 DEGREES AT 15 MINUTES BEFORE 6 PM.

THIS ALSO CRUSHED THE ALL-TIME RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE FOR ANY DAY OF THE YEAR . . . AND FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE . . . WHICH WAS 87 DEGREES AND WAS ACHIEVED TWICE . . . ON BOTH THE 25TH AND THE 26TH OF JUNE IN 1953. A LOCAL WEATHER SPOTTER IN TOWN RECORDED A HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 87 DEGREES NEAR THE HOSPITAL DURING THE MID-AFTERNOON HOURS TODAY AS WELL. SUN-WORSHIPERS WERE OUT IN FORCE THROUGH THE MID TO LATE EVENING HOURS . . . AS THE TEMPERATURE AT 10 PM WAS STILL AN ASTOUNDING 77 DEGREES.

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Chief Tiny Crotch Rocket if you are looking for a Hypocrit get a small step stool so you can see in the mirror. That is what my "you can't have it both ways posts have been about" get it...

BTW I'm still waiting for the pics of your boy the cubicle dwelling BEAN COUNTER kicking ass in the WILD...it's ok if the most adventurous thing he has done is stand next to you in a photo while you hold up a fish with him still in his business suit...

You listed your son last when you posted your children's ages and occupations, not to mention you have expanded in the past about your daughter's accomplishments with nary a word of your son's.

As far as adventure goes driving/flying around the country and looking at the terrain is about as adventurous as the TOURONS who drive through Joshua Tree and get out of the car next to the road to take a photo beside the park's namesake...

As long as your posting pics lets have a few of the son your so proud of KICKING ASS in the WILD...and no KICKING ASS in the WILD doesn't include something that octogenarians would prefer over climbing (it is cool for the elderly to be active in the wild but it won't count as KICKING ASS for your 34 year old childman).

I will match your ten pennies and raise you a thousand more that your cubicle dwelling bean counting son is one of the YUPPIES you love to bash here.

Put up the son's pics or admit he doesn't KICK ASS of any kind in the WILD.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:27am PT
NORTON
The entire state is recording temperatures unprecedented in history

Please do expound on the verbiage of "history" and it's time frame. Thanks.


MTNLION

Sorry. Not working. Total FAIL on your part kid. Total fail. But then, you gotta follow the dictations of the cause. When losing to reality, pull out the straws. What ever they may be. Good on you, kid.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Bruce -- You being a constant leg humping bottom feeder with nothing to show is your only style here.

At least he's not a turd?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Hey Chuffer... surface mass balance vs. total mass balance? Still don't have a clue, do you?

In order for Chaff to be comparable to Ed (funniest load of whore's sh#t I've ever heard!), Ed would have to go on a Navy website and insist that it is inhuman for them to use seals for military operations.

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:35am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^ More straws. Keep em coming.^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Good to see the flock come together and show their true side. Always happens when reality hits em all in the face and their ideological cause is a falling completely apart. Nice.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Keep saying it chuffer, you might actually start believing it.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Hahaha, it's good to see the level of crackpot manning the most impressive arsenal in the world fully articulated. Or scary. Sheesh.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Wilbeer, i dont doubt our Dads crossed paths.. Florida. Texas even SAC HQ and CAl/NV - but im willing to bet somewhere.. To hear folks say the moon landings were a total waste of time and money have always cracked me up.. You and I were both raised on the "waste".. Hers to our Dads and their efforts in one of Americas greatest achievements!;-D


Now back to reading the youngsters bashing away...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:54am PT
That youngster, The Chief, is quite the rascal!

I'll leave the crackpots to espouse more BS their grandchildren will shake their heads at. They will be long dead, what does screwing the future matter to them?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Hahahahaaaaa... Ron still thinks the moon landings were real! Hahahaaaaa.

FACT: humans have NEVER set foot on the moon. It was a HOAX and YOU fell for it!!!

http://listverse.com/2012/12/28/10-reasons-the-moon-landings-could-be-a-hoax/

and of course...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=moon-landing-faked-why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Now back to reading the youngsters bashing away...

Nice one Ron. Werner and Chuff clearly never quite made it out of diapers. So what do you think? Why do you think Rick would rank Chuff and Ed equally? Is it based on merit? Or is it stage presence?

speaking of which, I think my old question posed to you slipped your mind so here it is again;


So - it all boils down to:


Do you trust the science? By that I mean do you trust science as an institution that is provably capable of producing factual data and theory?

If the answer is no you must explain why - convincingly.

If you can't, then you must explain your opposition despite all rational explanation.

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 19, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Chief Tiny Crotch Rocket I love the smell of victory this early in the morning...you don't have any pics of the childman taking a calculated risk...fair enough if your proud of him anyway your supposed to be.

It is a victory in the sense that you are a HYPOCRIT in most every way here is one more example from one of your posts:

"humans on this planet other than in the confines of liberal Amerika hide out communes"

You live in a commune in the back woods remember??? One that pulls together and takes care of one another pulling resources to create a fire department JUST LIKE COMMUNISM...

I think you need to get a bigger stool so you can see over the sink and look squarely in the mirror HYPOCRIT...

By the way what have YOU done to combat MONSANTO??? HYPOCRIT!!!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
You live in a commune in the back woods remember???

I live in the back woods now. Nice. Straws. Keep em coming Kid.



The people of earth say no to GCC. HA!

http://www.myworld2015.org/index.html?page=results





By the way what have YOU done to combat MONSANTO??? HYPOCRIT!!!

Actually, got our own large vegi garden and we buy all our meat and poultry products from the local ranches down the "back woods" road. HA!

to create a fire department, communism

Odd. Over 75% of all FD's in the US of A are, VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS. Wake the fk up Kid.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 19, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Are you saying you don't live in a back woods commune??

You yourself called it "remote" is remote not in the back woods??

I think your afraid to look in the mirror...

it's ok to be wrong Chief Tiny Crotch Rocket...it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong and I guess that is what is hard for you...you can be a big man in a small man's body but if you lack the character to admit when you are wrong then you actually SHRINK...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 19, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Napoleon complex is probably not an unfamiliar appellation to the lil Chief.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 19, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Chief Tiny Crotch Rocket it isn't odd at all...I believe in helping my fellow man...I believe in community--that is why I want to preserve the planet in a LIVABLE condition for the next generation...

I applaud your community for having a volunteer fire dept. We need more volunteer things that benefit everybody...I bet you have participated in clean-ups in various climbing areas (I have). Why not take it a step further???

Why is it wrong to try to do something to preserve the planet for the next generationSSSS??

I bet you live or lived by a mantra similar to this "FAILURE TO PREPARE IS PREPARING TO FAIL"...yes you can prepare the next generation to adapt and overcome whatever the environment becomes but why not try to make sure that environment is left in the best position possible??? ANSWER ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS...
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