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WBraun
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Oct 16, 2013 - 12:54am PT
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Are you sure you know what you're doing ......
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 16, 2013 - 06:46am PT
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my cat has been hanging out with THE CHIEF, eh?
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 16, 2013 - 07:14am PT
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How many times in the past 250 million years have rising CO2 levels led to higher temperatures? How many times have rising temperatures led to higher CO2 levels?
I don't know but is it really so hard to understand that CO2 can be the main driver sometimes and mostly a feedback other times?
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 16, 2013 - 07:44am PT
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Yes, considering the lack of historical examples.
What phenomena could results in a historical example, i.e. that the CO2 level would rise 60%* in 100 years or faster (without being the result of a large change in temperature)?
The atmosphere is a dynamical system (please google that) where CO2 is one state variable that interacts with the other variables in a known way. The difference this time is that we also use CO2 as an input in a way that have not been common before.
* I am not sure if 60% is correct.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 16, 2013 - 07:46am PT
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Stench,There ARE plenty of examples,but you would have to study GEOLOGY.
The answer to that is in the chemical composition of sediments.
Your IDEOLOGY does not support such findings,I already know.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:06am PT
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You go read them yourself.DUDE.
Hint;Those answers will not be on your favorite blogs.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:16am PT
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Upthread.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:55am PT
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SO it appears that of all people, DR. Michael Mann himself is on the KOCH BROS payroll. And has been so for his entire scholastic teaching career.
wes is right.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:22am PT
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let's see....what else...
99% of what he has posted?
Total mass balance vs surface mass balance
Willy field
But you could really find something in most of his posts.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 16, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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I don't know but is it really so hard to understand that CO2 can be the main driver?
Yes, considering the lack of historical examples.
Right? I mean, it isn't like you can reproduce the greenhouse gas effect in say your kitchen or in a high school lab... consistently... without question. I'm sure increasing atmospheric CO2 by 40+% isn't really that big of a deal. I'm sure the increase in temperature is just a coincidence, explained by anything other than the well-known green house effect of CO2. Just give the conservative think tanks a little more time to come up with more ideas.
What's the worst that can happen? Nobody REALLY knows because nobody but the chuff knows the future with absolute certainty. So obviously it follows that anything is possible and anyone who disagrees with the denialists is part of a vast conspiracy... a vast conspiracy that clearly explains their methods and assumptions in each peer reviewed paper.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 10:50am PT
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Then why do YOU EDH, continue to ...
You can tell when The Chief has been had. He changes the subject and starts with his personal attacks.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 10:54am PT
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26 warm degrees here this am.. The quail outside think GW is BEE ESS!
Well shoot howdy, if we're going by local temperature, yesterday in Santa Cruz, it was 86 degrees, 12 degrees above average. The duck here are looking for fresh water and thinking, "how come that Ron Anderson is so darned dumb?"
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:07am PT
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Sketch, regarding CO2 as both driver and feedback of past climate changes -- Wilbeer and Raymond are both correct, and all that you manage to prove once again by making demands for examples is that you do not and cannot read any actual science, and have no idea what is in it.
If you were a smarter and less ideological person, you could easily look this stuff up instead of demanding answers from others. The driver/feedback thing for example has been covered in AR4, in AR5, it's in Wikipedia fer chrissake, and it's been covered many times on this thread including citations to the most detailed recent studies. I'd cite those again here (could even do so by quoting myself) but you've shown you have no intention to read or try to understand any science.
Back to the blogs for more talking points! Like, you can't stand Michael Mann. He's right, though, about RealClimate and Skeptical Science putting WUWT to shame.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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Chiloe,exactly!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Chiloe, being a sociologist exactly how the hell does that translate to credentials as a climatologist?
Pretty funny Mentalcase-is this what you government Sandia/Los Alamos welfare queens do all day as invaluable science.
Questions for all you wannabe lockstep socialists. First what is the name of the then unknown oceanic mechanism ( hint- not discovered for another 20 years} that suddenly turned Alaska of 1977/78 from a distinct cooling trend into a very pronounced warming trend virtually overnight? It's not well known, and you guys try your best to ignore it, but over half of the observed warming in the region occurred from the onstart of this event, name it? Second, at the Schwab cycle minimum of 2008, when we had two years in a row of 200+ days of a spotless sun, what happened to the linear trend of the global temp anomaly?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:33am PT
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That's not an answer to either question mono, sorry GONG!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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Being a siding installer, how the hell does that translate to being a Climatologist?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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No answer Wyna, GONG!
Don't any of you idiots ever venture beyond your programming?
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Kilimanjaroguides
Mountain climber
Arusha
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:53am PT
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Snow at Mount Kilimanjaro is melting
Global warming is the big challenge to Climate in the world. Professor Lionel Thompson from USA visited Kilimanjaro and studied about Kilimanjaro snow melting. Some tourists who climbing kilimanjaro are seen different levels of glaciers
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 16, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Chiloe, being a sociologist exactly how the hell does that translate to credentials as a climatologist?
I do not claim to be a climatologist. However, I work closely with climatologists, read climatology papers, attend climate-related science meetings, analyze climatological data, and publish papers in peer-reviewed journals such as the International Journal of Climatology -- where the editor recently wrote that he had sent our paper out for review by "leading international experts in the field" (and they liked it). All of which goes part of the way toward explaining how I know so much more about climatology than you do.
Questions for all you wannabe lockstep socialists.
But another reason is that you cannot tell reality from your own fantasies.
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