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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Sorry. Not a PAD HAULER as yourself.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Working on a five day BC FF gig starting on FRI actually. Got to get up to certain lakes before your buddy BIO SCIENTIST get up there and exterminate all the Trout. Preparing them lakes for the MYLF. Playing creationist they are. Never have them frogs ever existed in them lakes. NEVER. But good old science wants to "try" and reintroduce the critters to lakes where they know trout survive.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 18, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
5 days? I can hardly wait.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 18, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
I thought you'd enjoy that. Then your circle jerk can be re-established for a week.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 18, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
I love how The Chief (big irony there) is so belligerent.

It's like reality tv. The actors don't understand that they are on stage only to be mocked.

Keep it up, I love watching your junk show.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 18, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Where the fk do you plan on putting em all and how you gonna feed em? Please answer that Nalesnav.

I don't advocate population growth. I have not brought any souls into the world.

Chief, to your credit, at least you did not start this thread! :>)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 18, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
well,, Sally-O just changed my climate here with a severe release of methane.. But with the winds, only Utah need be worried at this time. Will update on this "breaking" news as it unfurls... Apologies/Condolences to Utah..
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 18, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Just to make something clear Ron,my dad Bernard Wilson, PE., at Bell Aerosystems,Niagara Falls,NY,was on a team of engineers and scientists that designed and built every Apollo mission spacecraft,top to bottom.
One of the major things they designed was O rings to keep air IN space capsules and for reentry capability.This same team also designed Triflon,a penetrent that carried teflon to improve the o rings capability. Triflon is now known as triflow ,an over the counter lubricant available everywhere.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 18, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
Wilbeer the lunar Module engines were built and test fired at Palomino valley Nevada for Apollo 11 and 12 i believe - but i have pics of test firings of #11 in area D of that facility.Contracted through North American Rockwell corp, RocketDyne division. And yeah O rings were testy lil buggars at times. The story i related earlier is fact though! My dad was the final safety inspector for those engines which went through major mods there before the final version was stamped ready to fire. Cool to see another apollo "kid" here though!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 18, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
Cool,just saying.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 18, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
I have some of the teflon tape spawned from that are in my dads roll-away along with many other aerospace nick -knacks he collected over the years.

Its still as usable as it was in 1967 lol!



edit: but Wilbeer, what exacltly R U saying? If by saying your Dad built the lunar module engines, that can only be if he were working with my Dad.;-D Cuz dey wuz built in P valley, where a rancho type subdivision now sets over buried basements and filled in cooling ponds. So your statement of your dad building every Apollo space craft from the bottom up isnt accurate.

If your pointing out your Dad had a large hand in the apollo/Saturn programs then i APPLAUD!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 18, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
funny, I read and understand all of yours

Yeah? Even I don't do that (which I'm sure must be clear).

Cheers
DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 19, 2013 - 03:50am PT
Glad i've been traveling most of the day. The discourse on the hothead side has turned desperately personal. Sure, Ed managed to convince himself that he has deconstructed one paper counter to the phony consensus, but in the real world the rats are deserting the ship. I trust all you progressives approve of The New Republic and include it on your reading list. Perhaps you guys saw this little article in the link below.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113533/global-warming-hiatus-where-did-heat-go#
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 19, 2013 - 04:56am PT
Perhaps you guys saw this little article in the link below.


I read it Rick. One needs to read the whole thing and then the conclusion. He throws dog bone after dog bone at you skeptics, and you would go away very happy if you didn't read the last 4 summary paragraphs. The author turned out to be an honest broker about AGW in the end. I find that to be pretty amazing. Thinks of all the jerks that just read 2/3 of the article and quit, thinking; Nana na nana na....there's no global warming.......when the articles conclusion was quite different. Interesting way to write; pat and slap your base on the back with the usual controversial sound-bites and then sneak through and deliver the truth. That was awesome - like a big turn around in a ball game. I'll even pass your link along;

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113533/global-warming-hiatus-where-did-heat-go#

That turned out to be a well rounded piece!

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 19, 2013 - 07:00am PT
Nice post McHale,you are correct sir!

edit:Ron,the design and prototypes were handled by Bell.There were tons of contractors for such a large project[Apollo].I cant say ,but he traveled extensively throughout the apollo timeframe,I would bet they crossed paths.Although towards the end of the apollo missions,design guys were out of the picture.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:30am PT
Some REALITY for you AGWers to chew on this morning. This very recent extensive survey was completed globally by a group from the UN. Amazingly, look what came in dead last. Your ideological cause is fading quickly. Faster than the speed of light actually.

Temps are going down. Last. Then gone. Gone.

http://www.myworld2015.org/index.html?page=results





Side note, there are actually humans on this planet other than in the confines of liberal Amerika hide out communes. Pretty amazing thought. Obviously more on this planet attune their lives according to the same principal of the old and very wise Bedu's I spent quality time with. Thank God.

dirtbag

climber
Jun 19, 2013 - 09:07am PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 09:30am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TOTALFAIL
WBraun

climber
Jun 19, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Bruce -- You being a constant leg humping bottom feeder with nothing to show is your only style here.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Current anomaly---- 36 degrees here at moundhouse this am...Thirty-six F that is..Even Sally-O's methane release of yesterday did nothing to "warm" the atmosphere round here..
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 19, 2013 - 11:00am PT
see if we can determine how an "honest" denier rates credibility.

Rates pretty high actually. At least in the eyes of most people on planet earth according to this....

http://www.myworld2015.org/index.html?page=results

Cage fight? Please. More like some of the AGW flock attempting to be badasses on the net.

An Interesting read on how this Carbon Fund (ETS) is a total failure in the EU. Down it goes.

Carbon trading Below junk status

EUROPE’S flagship environmental policy has just been holed below the water line. On April 16th the European Parliament voted by 334 to 315 to reject proposals which (its supporters claimed) were needed to save the emissions-trading system (ETS) from collapse. Carbon prices promptly fell 40% (see chart). Some environmentalists fear that the whole edifice of European climate policy could start to crumble.

The ETS has long been troubled. The scheme is the world’s biggest carbon market, trading allowances to produce carbon which cover about half the European Union’s total carbon emissions. Partly because of weak industrial demand and partly because the EU gave away too many allowances to pollute in the first place, there is massive oversupply in the carbon-emissions market. Prices fell from €20 a tonne in 2011 to just €5 a tonne in February 2013. The European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, therefore hatched a plan to take about 900m tonnes of carbon allowances off the market now and reintroduce them in about five years time when, it was hoped, demand would be stronger (“backloading” in the jargon). This was the proposal the European Parliament turned down.

The rejection was a surprise. The parliament’s environment committee had looked at the plan in February and approved it by a surprisingly wide margin of 38 votes to 25.

As expected, most members of the largest political alliance, the centre-right European People’s Party, voted against the proposal. This was needed, they argued, to protect consumers from higher energy bills. What came as a surprise is the fact that all but four British conservative members of the European Parliament also voted against the plan. In doing so they defied their own government, which has introduced a carbon floor price in Britain that could soon be higher than the European carbon price. And the European Socialists, which had been expected mostly to back the proposals, instead split, with 44 in favour of the plan and 31 against.

In theory the proposal is not quite dead. In a fit of back-pedalling after the vote, the MEPs decided to send the issue back to the environment committee. From there it could come back to the full parliament again. Or the European Commission could come up with a bunch of new proposals. The EU sometimes works by creating a crisis and then stumbling through it—witness the euro crisis, passim. The trouble is that neither the parliamentary committee nor the commission can do anything much unless significant numbers of MEPs change their minds. The parliamentary vote was exceptionally well attended—a measure of its importance—and there were few wavering MEPs.

The real question now is whether the scuppering of the ETS will lead to the dismantling of the EU’s climate policies more generally. European greens and supporters of the ETS hope that it will not. They point out that a combination of special influences was at work in the parliamentary vote which may not be repeated (such as Angela Merkel’s refusal to take a position on ETS reform for domestic reasons). Many European environmental policies are set at national level (subsidies for renewable energy, for example) and a vote on the ETS should not change national opinions.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/04/carbon-trading
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